President Obama: Asia Trip Helped Usher in a New Era of American Engagement
ABC News’ Jordyn Phelps and Lisa Chinn report:
President Obama hailed his recently concluded Asia trip a success, saying the trip helped to facilitate “a new era of American engagement.”
In his weekly address, taped earlier this week while in Seoul, South Korea, the president said that a major focus of the trip was to support and encourage economic recovery in the United States.
“As we emerge from the worst recession in generations, there is nothing more important than to do everything we can to get our economy moving again and put Americans back to work, and I will go anywhere to pursue that goal,” President Obama said.
In facilitating the economic recovery, the president said that international trade is an important component.
“We … need to place a greater emphasis on exports that we can build, produce, and sell to other nations – exports that can help create new jobs at home and raise living standards throughout the world,” the president said.
Furthermore, the president said that by increasing our exports to Asia by 5 percent, the U.S. could create hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Looking forward, President Obama pointed to a forum on job creation with U.S. business leaders on Dec. 3 as a continuation of his commitment to focus on job creation.
The president said that while progress has been made, there is more that remains to be done.
“I will not let up until businesses start hiring again, unemployed Americans start working again and we rebuild this economy stronger and more prosperous than it was before,” President Obama said.
Beyond this focus on jobs, the president highlighted progress made with China on environmental agreements.
“As the two largest consumers and producers of energy, we developed a host of new clean energy initiatives with China, and our two nations agreed to work toward a successful outcome at the upcoming climate summit in Copenhagen – an outcome that leads to immediate action to reduce carbon pollution,” President Obama said.
On Tuesday, President and Mrs. Obama will host their first state dinner when Prime Minister Singh of India and his wife come to the White House for their first official visit. Later in the week, the Obamas will celebrate Thanksgiving at the White House, and Michelle Obama will be presented with the official White House Christmas tree on Friday.
–Lisa Chinn and Jordyn Phelps
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Need to change B.O. to B.S. What success could he possibly see gropling at the feet of other nations leaders. And most laughing at his inept leadership, no decision on backing our troops, hasent read that almost every scientist has called global warming a fake to make some people rich.
Posted by: earl | November 21, 2009, 7:05 am 7:05 am
Is that another way of saying “Gee thanks for the black belt”?
Obama’s capacity for self delusion seems limitless.
Posted by: drjohn | November 21, 2009, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Absolutely a new ere of engagement. Please see this image of President Obama’s engagement strategy.
Posted by: pauldia | November 21, 2009, 8:15 am 8:15 am
I think Barack gets his big words mixed up. He meant to say:
“…a new era of American appeasement.”
Mmm, mmm mmm
Bow low, Barack Obama
Posted by: Duke | November 21, 2009, 8:34 am 8:34 am
Seems like the previous comment author is rught. We really need to vhange B.O. to B.S.
Posted by: iWoodpecker | November 21, 2009, 8:41 am 8:41 am
The Chinese want our money and our technology both of which we have blindly and sometimes foolishly given. They will not float their currency, they will keep building massive industrial parks and dorms for the low paid teenage labor that will never, ever be allowed 1/20 the freedom that we experience.
And Barak Obama will never ease the extreme taxation and regulation that prevents our citizens from realizing true independence from a Government that is increasingly in everyones business.
Posted by: david | November 21, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am
He really knows how to spin a failure.
Posted by: Cambone | November 21, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Is this joke of a president delusional?
Posted by: mickey maoist | November 21, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
They all engaged him by stiffing him across the board.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
New era involves kissing you know what so the credit will keep flowing for our economic debacle. We should but out of their business anyway so if a financial collapse gets us to finally stop the threats then so be it.
Posted by: Huh | November 21, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Well I guess he has to call it something.
Posted by: wis134 | November 21, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Just the President taking another bow.
Posted by: Bob | November 21, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
I think that means, ‘how I want to do business’. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. Remember, Nixon opened up China to us and we through him out eventually.
Posted by: James L. | November 21, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
If he had any knowledge of science,which doesn’t ( he never took a science course in college) he would have realized that the hacked University of East Anglia data reveals falsification of data and supression of contradictory data such that the IPCC data and conclusions are suspect, even without the current cooling trend being the obvious monkeywrench to the theory.
Posted by: Nephron | November 21, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Debtor Nation travels seeking more handouts.
Posted by: Scott MacDonald | November 21, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am
We already had great relations with Japan.
Our relations with S Korea are generally good- a little hot and cold, but what Korea really wants is that free trade agreement.
What Obama really brought into a new era was a deference to the Chinese. Clinton and Bush never made excuses for China as Obama did. As for green energy, both China and India may be willing to develop green energy, but their potential for growth is vast, and they aren’t going to put artificial roadblocks in their way.
David, down thread, got it about right.
Posted by: MayBee | November 21, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am
I just love getting up Sat am and seein all these neo-ex-cons cryin…all the lies and discontent you spread.
They remind me of the taliban really…lol
Posted by: James Morrison | November 21, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am
China holds the pink slip to the US, so Obama was in no position to tell them to do anything yet he’ll gladly give away more jobs to China.
Posted by: CC | November 21, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Ohio’s unemployment rate last month jumped to 10.5 percent, marking the first increase in three months as the jobless numbers climbed by 24,000. The figures, released yesterday by the state Department of Job and Family Services, said the rate climbed from 10.1 percent in September and was higher than 6.8 percent in October, 2008
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
“New ea”, “historical”, “transparency” more BS from Obama. My area has 14% unemployment with no relief in sight. Where are the jobs he promised? What was it? 3 million jobs and 600,000 during the summer? Obama is all talk and no action. Stop wasting our money!!!
Posted by: CW | November 21, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
“New Era of engagement”? LOL
My are has 14% unemployment with no relief in sight. Where are the jobs Obama promised ? I agree that B O = B S
Posted by: CW | November 21, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Rockford unemployment rate 17.2 percent.
Winnebago county unemployment 15.5 percent.
Illinois unemployment 11 percent.
Obama won by a landslide in Rockford, collecting 36,646 votes or 62 percent.
Obama overwhelmingly won Winnebago County.
Obama won Illinois with an astounding 3,319,237 votes or 61.8 percent.
How’s that Hope and Change think working out, Rockford, Winnebago County, Illinois?
Posted by: Erab | November 21, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Nothing wrong with a president trying to sell the benefits of an overseas trip. Like George Bush never did that…
Posted by: matt | November 21, 2009, 11:41 am 11:41 am
I cant believe this guy China had to tell him about economics and that our debt and falling dollar is putting us at risk. They told him that America is no longer needed for them to continue to grow in the economic world. They told him they do not think we can afford the added debt from a health care bill. Yet this guy just doent get it I am a firm believer now that obama and congress are trying to destroy this country.
Posted by: Sara | November 21, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am
I think many of you have short memories and limited intelligence. Obama inherited the economic mess-he did not create it. It is obvious you do not read facts and connect the dots for the big picture. What took years to create is not ended in months. Apparently you are of the “I want it now generation”.
Your lack of knowledge and usage of FACTS only creates more ferment in America. Shame on you!
Posted by: Katie | November 21, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
“I think many of you have short memories…”
Obama ran for President of the United States, warts and all. This is the job he wanted to fulfill his destiny.
He may have come in at a pivotal time but most of his choices, programs and actions since taking office have made things worse, not better.
And, Katie, please, do not throw sand in the sandbox. Insults have no place in debate.
Posted by: Krakatoa | November 21, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Failure is the word to sum up the Obama administration.
Posted by: renee | November 21, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Thanks Obama for restoring America back to the Carter years–but worse than that!
America is broke, indebted to foreign countries, disloyal to allies, soldiers left in limbo, and has a weak and appeasing leader.
Nice new image.
Posted by: mick | November 21, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
What was the debt on Inauguration Day? What was the unemployment level? What was the value of the dollar? What was the price of gold? What was the death rate in Afghanistan?All of these things have deteriorated since George Bush left office.By historical trends the recession should have been over by now, even without government intervention.There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that the actions of this administration have had any but a harmful effect on the economy,prolonging a period of high unemployment and interfering with investment.
Posted by: Nephron | November 21, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
If this was Industry, before BHO heads out, he would be asked for a list of expectations from the trip and afterwards a trip report about achievements.
Are we, the citizens, allowed to ask this from out President? After all, he was the one who touted transparency.
Posted by: free_dude | November 21, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
U.S. Gov’t provided bail out to banks and GM and therefore had authority to dictate executive pay and other company functions. China is bailing us out…what Chinese demands will Barack yield to China?
Posted by: free_dude | November 21, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Obama has clearly made the economy far worse than it was on inauguration day, increasing unemployment by nearly half and exploding the deficit.
No wonder Democrat pollster John Zogby finds that only 43% of those who voted in 2008 would vote for Obama today. This presidency has failed in record time.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
RCP average Obama approval among voters: 47.0%.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
i guess he was there teling china how we may be the next Zimbabwe if the dollar keeps on path as it is.
Posted by: All Mi T | November 21, 2009, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
The stimulus has not achieved the results that the administration claimed it would-look at the unemployment rate.The claim that “things would have been worse without the stimulus” is unprovable bunk.Look at historical trends from previous recessions.Did any of the economists in the NYT article predict the subprime meltdown?I do not trust the New York Times to have a broad range on anything.It is a politically biased newspaper whose editorial positions intrude into news coverage more frequently than not.I remember reading the Sunday Times when you had to literally wash your hands off after going through the first section.Then it was a paper.I stopped reading when I felt that I had to wash my hands figuratively because of the bias and deceit-of which Jason Blair was only a part.
Posted by: Nephron | November 21, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Presidential Job Approval Ratings
Approve/Disapprove
49/44 Gallup
47/52 Rasmussen Reports
46/46 FOX News
53/36 CBS News
55/42 CNN/Opinion Research
48/42 Quinnipiac
56/42 ABC News/Wash Post
50.6%/43.4% RCP Average*
*This is the REAL RCP average. Don’t be fooled by Fascist Hyena who cherry-picks his favorite polls, calculates his own average, and then dishonestly tries to pass off his handiwork as the “RCP average.”
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Is the 49/44 Gallup result really good news for the President?
Posted by: Nephron | November 21, 2009, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
What Mr Obama go China need help and dealing for? Please go back home sitdown and just check and look did Mr Obama He ready take small Business Localto local state to other state He dont done yes …How He fix other Please
2010 China will take all over Business
Yes we cant
Posted by: DavidMua Nguyen | November 21, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
“Is the 49/44 Gallup result really good news for the President?”
He’s probably not thrilled. But Ronald Reagan probably wasn’t a happy camper when he hit 35/56.
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
I hope you have read the article by Robert F Kennedy in the Huffington Post. China is beating is in green technology. Their solar energy companies are out-stripping ours. The same applies to wind technology. Green technology is the economy of the future. The country that dominates the market in green technology will dominate the economic stage for the 21st century.
The GOP is so consumed by their hatred for President Obama, that they want the US to fail. And they want to hand over first place to Red China.
Posted by: William Joseph Miller | November 21, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Oh yeah, it’s all President Obama’s fault. When George Bush left office the American economy was flush and secure, employment was flourishing, the stock market rising steadily. The United States was at peace and all was prosperous. Housing markets were solid with no foreclosures and business seldom if ever were going bankrupt.The Republicans and George Bush left the country robust and strong – in fact the entire planet was thriving.
That darn Obama.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
It is Obama’s job to “fix the mess”.
Where are the white collar obs that actual pay?
Chloe
Posted by: Chloe | November 21, 2009, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Oh, how I love it when the zanies cite Bobby Kennedy’s kid as an authority, and when they start comforting themselves with the polls of Ronaldus Maximus. And one guy even seems happy that, if you factor in the polls of “adults” (not just voters), this hapless failure has an approval rating of 50.6%.
This is wonderful…
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Nidal Malik Hasan was in the military under Bush for YEARS and – despite Bush’s boasting about rooting out terrorists – was allowed to remain in the military.
According to the Washington Post, Hasan made a presentation titled “The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims” in the U.S. Military during his senior year of residency at Walter Reed. The presentation, which was not well received by some attendees, recommended that the Department of Defense “should allow Muslims Soldiers the option of being released as “Conscientious objectors” to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events.”
Again, this presentation was made on GEORGE BUSH’s WATCH (June 2007), not Obama’s.
It seems Mr. Bush – the boastful rooter out of terrorists – missed this.
Lets give credit where credit is due.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
William Joseph Miller- what is the realistic potential for wind power to have a significant impact on our energy needs,particularly when Mr. Kennedy’s relatives have a NIMBY perspective which is more widespread than you probably care to acknowledge. The Green Movement spouts nonsense about energy sources that for the foreseeable future might have single digit effects on our energy comsumption, while ignoring the only two practical alternatives to fossil fuels that could significantly decrease the use of those fuels.Those two sources are clean, of proven technology and safer than the storage systems that other sources require. What are they? Nuclear and Hydroelectric power.Without their rapid and extensive use all of the talk about Green energy sources is smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: Nephron | November 21, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
And now, praise be to Allah, the entire fraud of man-made global warming has been exposed for exactly what it is. This is from the UK Spectator:
“Data that has been hacked from the Hadley Centre’s Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University – one of the principal academic centres behind anthropogenic global warming theory – appears to reveal an international conspiracy of scientific experts to distort, falsify or suppress evidence in order to exaggerate man-made global warming, and also to vilify AGW sceptics in order to rubbish and bury their own evidence.”
The zanies will scramble to control the damage. They, like the dishonest scientists themselves, have no interest in the truth–theirs is simply a religious belief. Upon learning that the whole “scientific” basis for their alarm is false and fraudulent, they will not heave a sigh of relief. Quite the contrary, they will be infuriated.
And that’s a good thing. They’re even funnier when they’re mad.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Posted by: Nephron | Nov 21, 2009 4:00:39 PM
General Electric already has a zero energy home in the works that incorporates passive solar, home solar panels and a small home windmill with low energy appliances and smart systems to produce a largely energy-independent home.
Multiply this by millions of homes and the energy savings are huge.
Engineers and designers are far ahead of your antiquated vision of the future – you’re basically still crawling out of the cave.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
A magazine in Tokyo is reporting that President Obama’s summit with Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama was a frosty disaster, precipitated by incompetence on both sides and an entirely avoidable diplomatic slight to the Japanese side by Obama. The visit was abruptly re-scheduled, seriously inconveniencing the Emperor of Japan, as well as the Prime Minister, whose intricate schedules require meticulous planning and coordination.
Japanese weekly magazine Shukan Bunshun cites an unnamed insider at the Foreign Ministry, who delivers a devastating account of not merely a failure to agree, but figurative slaps in the face of the rude president, delivered in retaliation. If true, President Obama has demonstrated high-handed arrogance once again, and antagonized a key ally, weakening a relationship of critical security and economic importance to the United States.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 21, 2009 4:02:37 PM
As usual, Fascist it would help if you referenced an unbiased source to make your ‘definitive’ pronouncements.
The evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so widely accepted that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument.
Of course the entire episode is being overblown by the creationists and polluters.
So what else is new?
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 21, 2009 4:10:12 PM
Fascist you really should reference which right wing outlet you’re using to source your propaganda . . . otherwise its’ just more blathering . . .
Have you heard of doing legitimate research, instead of just quoting right wing propaganda machines?
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Oh, how I love it when dishonest right wingers cite Zogby when Obama’s approval numbers are low – then when numbers shoot back up they claim they never cite Zogby – but then they go right back to citing Zogby if it supports their position again.
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
The arch-centrist David Broder, discussing a question in the recent Qinnipiac poll of voters:
“It read: “President Obama has pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our federal budget deficit over the next decade. Do you think that President Obama will be able to keep his promise or do you think that any health care plan that Congress passes and President Obama signs will add to the federal budget deficit?”
The answer: Less than one-fifth of the voters — 19 percent of the sample — think he will keep his word. Nine of 10 Republicans and eight of 10 independents said that whatever passes will add to the torrent of red ink. By a margin of four to three, even Democrats agreed this is likely.
“That fear contributed directly to the fact that, by a 16-point margin, the majority in this poll said they oppose the legislation moving through Congress.
“I have been writing for months that the acid test for this effort lies less in the publicized fight over the public option or the issue of abortion coverage than in the plausibility of its claim to be fiscally responsible.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
As we now see, Mr. Broder now acknowledges that a majority of the voters no longer believe Mr. Obama. That is why, in all three polls of voters, his approval is less than 50%.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
“And one guy even seems happy that, if you factor in the polls of ‘adults’ (not just voters), this hapless failure has an approval rating of 50.6%.”
Since when is RCP “one guy” and is RCP really happy?
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 21, 2009 4:29:02 PM
It’s not surprising people don’t believe politicians’ financial promises.
The Republicans under George Bush came in promising financial responsibility and small government – and then increased the national debt by an average of $500 BILLION dollars every year they were in power.
So public skepticism is understandable.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
50.6%/43.4% RCP Average*
Posted by: Numeros | Nov 21, 2009 2:22:17 PM
Great news! Democratic presidency. Democratically controlled House and Senate, media in your pocket, gazillions of dollars to hand out to all your supporters, you’ve apologized to the rest of the world for Bush…
… and after all that for 10 minths running, 43.4% of the country doesn’t approve of the job you’re doing. Now THAT’S really something to be proud of!
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
CNN/Opinion Research, which tied with McClatchy for most accurate pollster in the 2008 election outcome, currently has Obama with a 55% approval rating.
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Plus you’ve got media ankle-biters from MSNBC like Norah O’Donnell ambushing a 17 year old standing in line for an autograph of Sarah Palin debating politics with her while she holds talking points in her hand because she can’t remember them off the top of her head.
Another proud moment for Norah and MSNBC.
BTW: The 17 year old was awesome!
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Oh yeah, it’s all President Obama’s fault. When George Bush left office the American economy was flush and secure, employment was flourishing, the stock market rising steadily. The United States was at peace and all was prosperous. Housing markets were solid with no foreclosures and business seldom if ever were going bankrupt.The Republicans and George Bush left the country robust and strong – in fact the entire planet was thriving.
That darn Obama.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 4:44:22 PM
You just said this about an hour ago.
@Octavia, I saw you yesterday comment about Fascist repeating his posts. Why don’t you mention tierra doing the same? tierra does it constantly every day. Double standard?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
The American’s Creed is the official creed of the United States of America. It was written in 1917 by William Tyler Page as an entry into a patriotic contest. It was adopted by the U.S. House of Representatives April, 3 of the next year.
The American’s Creed:
“I believe in the United States of America, as a government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.
I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies.”
— William Tyler Page
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Sounds like somebody posts them from some left wing propaganda machine– [ITS BUSHS FAULT].
Posted by: earl | November 21, 2009, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Sounds like somebody posts them from some left wing propaganda machine–
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Oh yeah, it’s all President Obama’s fault. When George Bush left office the American economy was flush and secure, employment was flourishing, the stock market rising steadily. The United States was at peace and all was prosperous. Housing markets were solid with no foreclosures and business seldom if ever were going bankrupt.The Republicans and George Bush left the country robust and strong – in fact the entire planet was thriving.
That darn Obama.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 21, 2009 5:17:11 PM
This is actually a verbatim Wikipedia entry. The FS non-citation bug must be contagious.
Posted by: WWW | November 21, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
From Gallup:
Of the post-World War II presidents, Obama now is the fourth fastest to drop below the majority approval level, doing so in his 10th month on the job. Gerald Ford dropped below 50% approval during his third month in office, and Bill Clinton did so in his fourth month. Ronald Reagan, like Obama, also dropped below 50% in his 10th month in office, though Reagan’s drop occurred a few days sooner in that month (Nov. 13-16, 1981) than did Obama’s (Nov. 17-19, 2009).
But all presidents except John Kennedy dropped below the majority approval level at some point in their presidencies, and all recovered after the first time below this mark to go back above 50% approval.
…Notably, most of the presidents who fell below 50% during their first term recovered in plenty of time to be re-elected. This list includes Truman, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, and George W. Bush.
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Clearly. They’re just so eager for the President to fail they don’t care about facts or reality. The right wing as it currently stands is an ugly and divisive force in America.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
“And out of curiosity, doesn’t the President’s approval rating among Dems and people under 45 or 50 remain high, and among Independents well above 50%?” @Octavia
No.
From Politico three days ago:
“A Gallup Poll released last week offered a disturbing glimpse about the state of play: just 14 percent of independents approve of the job Congress is doing, the lowest figure all year. In just the past few days alone, surveys have shown Democratic incumbents trailing Republicans among independent voters by double-digit margins in competitive statewide contests in places as varied as Connecticut, Ohio and Iowa.
Obama’s own popularity among independents has fallen significantly, too. A CBS News poll Tuesday showed the president’s approval rating among unaligned voters falling to 45 percent — down from 63 percent in April.”
Posted by: Krakatoa | November 21, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
A CBS News poll Tuesday showed the president’s approval rating among unaligned voters falling to 45 percent — down from 63 percent in April.”
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It’s impressive the President’s numbers hold up this well given the dreadful state of the world economy – and how we have been teetering on the brink of an economic depression since the fall began back in 2008.
Fortunately the Dow Jones is up about 35% since Obama took office, and the job losses have slowed since he took office.
Reagan fell below 40% approval rate – OVERALL – not just among independents, because of the economic recession he faced.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
“A CBS News poll Tuesday showed the president’s approval rating among unaligned voters falling to 45 percent — down from 63 percent in April.”
Down nearly 20 percentage points in about 6 months. Very impressive. Even CBS can’t prop up the epic disillusionment among nonaligned voters.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
“A CBS News poll Tuesday showed the president’s approval rating among unaligned voters falling to 45 percent — down from 63 percent in April.”
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Reagan fell below 40% approval rate – OVERALL – not just among independents, because of the economic recession he faced.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
and the job losses have slowed since he took office.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 6:15:05 PM
That’s what happens when you run out of staff to lay off. Expect a refresh in Q1, profit check and continued layoffs, if necessary.
Expect small businesses to continue closing as they get no tax relief and lack of sales continue to drive them out of business.
Expect empty commercial real estate to take it’s toll in 2010 and 2011 as 5 year ARMs reboot and companies cannot refi.
Expect a house-cleaning in November 2010.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
“President Obama hailed his recently concluded Asia trip a success”
Of course he did. He had to. No one else would.
Posted by: Huh? | November 21, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
and the job losses have slowed since he took office.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 6:15:05 PM
That’s what happens when you run out of staff to lay off. Expect a refresh in Q1, profit check and continued layoffs, if necessary.
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Well of course, it is impossible to top the job losses under Bush of 700,000 per month – the economy was pretty much gutted under his watch . . . and nobody says we’re out of it yet.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Reagan fell below 40% approval rate – OVERALL – not just among independents, because of the economic recession he faced.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 6:22:09 PM
I guess if we can quote his numbers we can also quote the man himself:
“Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.”
“Entrepreneurs and their small enterprises are responsible for almost all the economic growth in the United States.”
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.”
“No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!”
“The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”
And one of my favorites:
“Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement.”
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
and the job losses have slowed since he took office.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 6:15:05 PM
Well of course,
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 6:30:43 PM
I took your comment to mean layoffs were slowing down because of what the Obama administration was doing. It’s a natural progression of layoffs no matter who presides over it: massive, slowing, recheck bottom line, adjust.
Did I misinterpret what you wrote?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Reagan fell below 40% approval rate – OVERALL – not just among independents, because of the economic recession he faced.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 6:22:09 PM
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Yes, the point being President Reagan had a far worse approval rate at the same point in his presidency.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
I took your comment to mean layoffs were slowing down because of what the Obama administration was doing.
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As I said, it would be hard for the job loss rate to be any worse than what it was under Bush – where it hit 700,000 job losses per month. The economy was pretty much gutted under Bush’s watch.
Since President Obama took office the Dow Jones is up about 35%, the job loss rate has slowed and the GDP has showed positive gains.
And nobody is saying we’re out of it yet. This economic collapse has been global in scope and every western industrialized country is still struggling.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Tierra: how do you come up with your numbers of 500 billion dollars a year? When Busch left office the entire defecit was 500 billion. Thats why you need to look at Rasmussen polls who have been correct on all the recent elections. They have oliar at 46 percent approval.
Posted by: Sandy | November 21, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
CNN/Opinion Research, which tied with McClatchy for most accurate pollster in the 2008 election outcome, currently has Obama with a 55% approval rating.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
I took your comment to mean layoffs were slowing down because of what the Obama administration was doing.
Since President Obama took office … the job loss rate has slowed.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 6:47:24 PM
Yes, I read what you said I I realize job losses have slowed.
What do you think are the reasons for the slowdown in job losses? Do you think it is from what Obama has down so far (“job losses have slowed since he took office”) or a natural process in the layoff cycle? Maybe don’t know why or have an opinion?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
It’s not surprising people don’t believe politicians’ financial promises.
The Republicans under George Bush came in promising financial responsibility and small government – and then increased the NATIONAL DEBT by an average of $500 BILLION dollars every year they were in power.
So public skepticism is understandable.
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Sandy – all figures from the the Bureau of the Public Debt, U.S Department of the Treasury.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
CNN/Opinion Research, which tied with McClatchy for most accurate pollster in the 2008 election outcome, currently has Obama with a 55% approval rating.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 7:12:54 PM
Real Clear Politics averages show Obama’s approval rating currently at 50.6%.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
What do you think are the reasons for the slowdown in job losses?
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Already explained – it would be hard for the job loss rate to be any worse than what it was under Bush – where it hit 700,000 job losses per month. The economy was pretty much gutted under Bush’s watch.
Since President Obama took office the Dow Jones is up about 35%, the job loss rate has slowed and the GDP has showed positive gains.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
For Mr. Obama, when the jobs improve, it’s his doing; but when jobs worsens, it’s Mr. Bush fault.
Posted by: young_voter | November 21, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Posted by: young_voter | Nov 21, 2009 7:26:36 PM
Perhaps young_voter you’re too young to remember that in 2008 the American economy collapsed on George Bush’s watch. By the time he left office the economy was hemorrhaging 700,000 a month, the Dow Jones had crashed, foreclosures and bankruptcies were skyrocketing – the economy was in virtual free fall.
And no – you cannot blame all of that on the current President. Nice try though.
Any improvement from that mess is a blessing to the United States . . . and we are not out of it yet.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Bye for now . . . take care.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Already explained – it would be hard for the job loss rate to be any worse than what it was under Bush – where it hit 700,000 job losses per month. The economy was pretty much gutted under Bush’s watch.
Then you have stated that the Obama administration has done NOTHING to slow down the losses. It is simply that they are running out of people to lay off, which is what I said. Thanks for confirming my analysis.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
“Thats why you need to look at Rasmussen polls who have been correct on all the recent elections.”
Obama won the election 53% to 46%. CNN/Opinion Research and Ipsos/McClatchy both nailed it. Rasmussen underestimated Obama by one percentage point at 52% to 46%.
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Then you have stated that the Obama administration has done NOTHING to slow down the losses.
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I said nothing of the sort. Read a little slower.
Bye for now . .. take care.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Despite the comments,unemployment is higher now than when Barack Obama took office.Unemployment has gotten worse under his policies. The number of dead in Afghanistan has gone up because of his policies.The national debt has increased at a much greater rate since he took office.The price of gold has increased since he took office.These are facts.What evidence is there that the present situation has in anyway improved since Mr. Obama took office?No matter how you spin it,we were economically better under George Bush than we are now.
Posted by: Nephron | November 21, 2009, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Here is how Rasmussen performed in some very recent elections:
Rasmussen:
46% Christie
43% Corzine
Election Results:
59% Christie
41% Corzine
Rasmussen:
54% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Election Results:
49% McDonnell
45% Deeds
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
Sorry, my last post was incorrect.
Rasmussen:
54% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Election Results:
59% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Rasmussen:
46% Christie
43% Corzine
Election Results:
49% Christie
45% Corzine
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Then you have stated that the Obama administration has done NOTHING to slow down the losses.
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I said nothing of the sort. Read a little slower.
Bye for now . .. take care.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 7:42:28 PM
Then you have unknowingly come to the same conclusion that I have: the Obama administration has done NOTHING to slow down the losses.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
It’s quite noteworthy that Rasmussen projected a three-point Christie victory, and Christie won by four. The NY Times projected Corzine winning by one. That’s why Rasmussen is known as the best.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
“An enormous event took place this week in the issue of global warming. A group of climate skeptics hacked a research center in the U.K. and stole years worth of emails of climate scientists talking candidly about how to deal with skeptics.”
And how do they deal with them? Why, they smear them, slime them, and falsify data, of course.
Say good night, cap-and-trade. It’s over.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Obama won the election 53% to 46%. CNN/Opinion Research and Ipsos/McClatchy both nailed it. Rasmussen underestimated Obama by one percentage point at 52% to 46%.
Posted by: Numeros | Nov 21, 2009 7:41:37 PM
You DO realize you are nitpicking over a percent while millions of Americans are looking for work and struggling to pay their mortgages and put food on the table.
It’s a petty issue in my opinion.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
And no – you cannot blame all of that on the current President. Nice try though.
Any improvement from that mess is a blessing to the United States . . . and we are not out of it yet.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 7:34:49 PM
young_voter is not blaming jobs lost during the Bush administration on the current President. The statement indicates that when job info improves he takes the credit; when job info worsens, it’s Bush’s fault. The statement says nothing about jobs lost during the Bush administration.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
CNN/Opinion Research and McClatchy both poll likely votes (a more expensive process) in the final weeks before the elections. Both are polling all adults at present.
The three polls that poll registered voters (Fox Nws/Opinion Dynamics; Quinnipiac) or likely voters (Rasmussen) all have Obama under 50%.
Because voter polls give a more accurate picture of the mood of the electorate, they are the most important, and that is why I report them to you. I realize they make some of you unhappy, but it is important that you know the facts, however grim they may be. And cheer up: maybe this hapless fool really is a Ronaldus Maximus. It’s a lot of fun to see that that is where the zanies are pinning their dubious and dimming hopes.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Obama has done nothing *intelligent* in any area he’s stuck his filthy fingers in.
Posted by: tanarg | November 21, 2009, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Obama has done nothing *intelligent* in any area he’s stuck his filthy fingers in.
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Back to the insults as intelligent political discussion . . .
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Obama won the election 53% to 46%. CNN/Opinion Research and Ipsos/McClatchy both nailed it. Rasmussen underestimated Obama by one percentage point at 52% to 46%.
Posted by: Numeros | Nov 21, 2009 7:41:37 PM
You DO realize you are nitpicking over a percent while millions of Americans are looking for work and struggling to pay their mortgages and put food on the table.
It’s a petty issue in my opinion.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 21, 2009 8:54:56 PM
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I was just responding to Sandy’s incorrect claim that Rasmussen has “been correct on all the recent elections.” You are certainly entitled to your opinion however. (Your last name wouldn’t happen to be Rasmussen, would it?)
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
young_voter is not blaming jobs lost during the Bush administration on the current President.
The statement indicates that when job info improves he takes the credit; when job info worsens, it’s Bush’s fault.
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Simply not true . .. show me where President Obama blames recent worsening of the job situation on Bush. Quote, source and date please.
Nor can the job losses that happened in the months after Obama took office be blamed on Obama – that free fall collapse was already in action.
If you think any human being can wave a magic wand and instantly fix the mess that was left – you’re not in touch with reality.
Many people think the unemployment numbers will begin to turn around around March on the new year, we’ll see.
Obama has been very clear that recovery would not be easy, nor quick – and that things might well get worse before they get better.
Sorry, instance gratification in economic terms is not available unless you’re living in some kind of right wing lah-lah land.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
“Because voter polls give a more accurate picture of the mood of the electorate, they are the most important, and that is why I report them to you.”
That’s fine and dandy, but why do you try to pass off YOUR “reports” as RCP products?
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Here is how Rasmussen performed in some very recent elections:
Rasmussen:
54% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Election Results:
59% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Rasmussen:
46% Christie
43% Corzine
Election Results:
49% Christie
45% Corzine
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These predictions are only remarkable in how inaccurate they were.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Rasmussen:
54% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Election Results:
59% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Rasmussen:
46% Christie
43% Corzine
Election Results:
49% Christie
45% Corzine
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These predictions are only remarkable in how inaccurate they were.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 9:43:07 PM
From Rasmussen’s web site:
“This statewide telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in New Jersey was conducted by Rasmussen Reports October 29, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.”
They were not “remarkably” inaccurate at all. With NJ, Rasmussen was within the margin of error. With Virginia, Rasmussen was outside the margin of error by 2% concerning McDonnell.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
And they are not predictions. They are polling results. Nowhere on the Rasmussen page did he refer to the results as predictions.
Prediction are when the Obama administration predicts the unemployment rate if the stimulus bill is passed and then tap dances around it with some garbage about how they predicted the numbers.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
“That’s fine and dandy, but why do you try to pass off YOUR “reports” as RCP products?”
I don’t. Only an idiot would fail to know what I am presenting: the average of those voter polls that qualify for inclusion by RCP. Even if the results make you unhappy, you must learn to live with them.
Why do you think that polls of voters consistently show a worse performance by Obama than polls of all adults? Do you think it is a matter of bias, or a conspiracy, or…what?
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
“It is important to remember that the Rasmussen Reports job approval ratings are based upon a sample of likely voters. Some other firms base their approval ratings on samples of all adults. President Obama’s numbers are always several points higher in a poll of adults rather than likely voters. That’s because some of the President’s most enthusiastic supporters, such as young adults, are less likely to turn out to vote.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
And they are not predictions. They are polling results. Nowhere on the Rasmussen page did he refer to the results as predictions.
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You missed the point, these polling results from Rasmussen are remarkable only for how inaccurate they were.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Liberal Democrat Mickey Kaus (“Kausfiles”)
immediately following the most recent elections:
“If you have a choice between Rasmussen and, say, the prestigious N.Y. Times, go with Rasmussen!”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Prediction are when the Obama administration predicts the unemployment rate if the stimulus bill is passed
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Nonsense, you still haven’t read the report and if you did, you quite obviously didn’t understand what you read.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Simply not true . .. show me where President Obama blames recent worsening of the job situation on Bush. Quote, source and date please.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 9:41:21 PM
I have not found any direct quotes yet, but this is what I have found so far. I assume the professor would not speak without some knowledge of what the administration has said.
“What the administration is involved in now is the politics of attribution,” said Lawrence R. Jacobs, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota. “Each week that goes by with falling job numbers and Republican criticism of the administration’s flaws means falling approval ratings. What’s the antidote? That the guilty party is George Bush.”
“The trick,” Jacobs said, “is how do you shift blame to George Bush and retain any credibility on the idea that you are looking past partisan warfare? This looks like a doubling down on a very partisan approach.” -Washington Post
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
Here is how Rasmussen performed in some very recent elections:
Rasmussen:
54% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Election Results:
59% McDonnell
41% Deeds
Rasmussen:
46% Christie
43% Corzine
Election Results:
49% Christie
45% Corzine
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Sorry, these POLLING RESULTS are only remarkable in how inaccurate they were.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
That was from March by the way. Not recent but we’ll see what else I can find.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Sorry, these POLLING RESULTS are only remarkable in how inaccurate they were.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 10:44:29 PM
From Rasmussen’s web site:
“This statewide telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in New Jersey was conducted by Rasmussen Reports October 29, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.”
They were not “remarkably” inaccurate at all. With NJ, Rasmussen was within the margin of error. With Virginia, Rasmussen was outside the margin of error by 2% concerning McDonnell.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
You missed the point, these polling results from Rasmussen are remarkable only for how inaccurate they were.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 21, 2009 10:39:32 PM
They were not “remarkably” inaccurate at all. With NJ, Rasmussen was within the margin of error. With Virginia, Rasmussen was outside the margin of error by 2% concerning McDonnell.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Simply not true . .. show me where President Obama blames recent worsening of the job situation on Bush. Quote, source and date please.
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I have not found any direct quotes yet
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 21, 2009 10:44:02 PM
Exactly . ..
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
“Nor can the job losses that happened in the months after Obama took office be blamed on Obama – that free fall collapse was already in action.”
I never blamed Obama for those job losses.
“If you think any human being can wave a magic wand and instantly fix the mess that was left – you’re not in touch with reality.”
I do not think that.
“Many people think the unemployment numbers will begin to turn around around March on the new year, we’ll see.”
I personally have not heard this. ‘Many people’?
“Obama has been very clear that recovery would not be easy, nor quick – and that things might well get worse before they get better.”
I suspect he started saying that after he took the oath of office although I have no knowledge whether or not he said it during his campaign.
“Sorry, instance gratification in economic terms is not available unless you’re living in some kind of right wing lah-lah land.”
I never said that or expected it. I do not live in lah-lah land.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 21, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Scott Rasmussen on The O’Reilly Factor, the day before the NY 23rd congressional district election said, “We haven’t polled there, but what I can see from other polls makes it looks like Hoffman, the conservative party candidate, is going to win fairly comfortably.”
Hoffman lost by 4 percentage points. Whoops.
But a much more telling tidbit – Bill O’Reilly introduced Rasmussen with this whopper: “Crack pollster Scott Rasmussen, who I will remind everybody, hit the Obama election a year ago, right on the nose, when all the other pinheads were wrong.”
Rasmussen didn’t correct O’Reilly’s “error.”
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 21, 2009 11:18:07 PM
What we know is that President Reagan’s approval ratings dropped as low as below 40% – and he was re-elected. He was also dealing with a very difficult economy.
Posted by: tierra | November 21, 2009, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Yet as health-care reform sputters and lurches toward an uncertain finish line, the question is understandable. Foreigners see a Democratic Party that supposedly is alarmed by climate change, that decisively captured the White House and both houses of Congress a year ago — and yet that will send an administration to a crucial conference in Copenhagen next month with little but hopes and promises. Now there is talk that cap-and-trade legislation will wait until not just next year but the next Congress.
Meanwhile, more than a year after his electoral triumph, President Obama has filled only 55 percent of Senate-confirmed slots in his government. He has nominated few judges, won confirmation for fewer. The principal item on the agenda of the unions that went all in for him, labor law reform, is on hold. Almost everyone agrees that America’s immigration laws are broken, yet no fix is in sight. Long after the collapse of our financial system, new systems of regulation have yet to emerge. There is no discernible trade policy.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 21, 2009, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
“That’s fine and dandy, but why do you try to pass off YOUR “reports” as RCP products?”
I don’t. Only an idiot would fail to know what I am presenting:
Posted by Fascist Hyena
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Tsk, tsk, tsk you most certainly do. Every time you post “RCP average Obama approval among voters is ___” with YOUR average of YOUR favorite polls, you are attempting to pass off YOUR handiwork as RCP’s. And I won’t venture to guess the average number of idiots who read these comments.
Posted by: Numeros | November 21, 2009, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
“Gilbert police’s SWAT team, counseling services and town prosecutor’s office may have survived proposed budget cuts that would have crippled each unit, but up to 12 police personnel could lose their jobs should town leaders approve other cuts recommended by a citizen panel.
“Of the proposed cuts, the committee suggested eliminating the town’s five civilian teleserve officers and possibly nine sworn school resource police officers (SROs), which are deployed to schools within the Higley Unified School District and Gilbert Public Schools. -The Arizona Republic, AzCentral, Nov. 19, 2009
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 5:28 am 5:28 am
“After spending three hours painstakingly poring over the city’s 2010 expenses line by line Monday night, Lebanon City Council finished the evening at the same place it began – with a budget that spends $800,000 more than it takes in.
“Nevertheless, council decided it will introduce the $10 million 2010 spending plan proposed by Lebanon Mayor Trish Ward on Thursday as planned.
“Ward’s plan saves $700,000 in salaries and benefits by eliminating 17 positions, including four police officers, four highway-maintenance workers and three administrative positions.” – LDNews, Lebanon, PA, 11/9/09
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 5:59 am 5:59 am
The legislation, a variety of economists say, is helping an economy in free fall a year ago to grow again and shed fewer jobs than it otherwise would. … far more jobs are being saved than created, especially among states and cities using their money to avoid cutting teachers, police officers and other workers.”
Posted by: @Octavia | Nov 22, 2009 4:01:54 AM
Reference my previous 12 posts.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 6:08 am 6:08 am
“Emotions ran high at a special city council meeting Thursday night where Cincinnati job cuts appeared closer to becoming a reality.
“More than 300 city jobs may be wiped out under the city manager’s workforce reduction plan.
“More than 130 of those jobs belong to Cincinnati police officers.
“Hundreds of people packed into the room at the Duke Energy convention center in downtown Cincinnati.” -WCPO, 8/7/09
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 6:12 am 6:12 am
“Bossier City council must decide whether to cut 80 fire and police positions. But tonight, family members of these officers are outraged. Nbc 6 reporter Karen Hopkins talked with a mother who says she’s fighting to save her son’s job.” -ArkLaTex, 11/10/09
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 6:21 am 6:21 am
If the Stimulus Plan has “done it’s job” and has supposedly saved jobs, especially among states and cities using their money to avoid cutting teachers, police officers and other workers why are so many cities and towns facing job cuts and pending job cuts?
I was able to find dozens of stories with a simple google search. Why isn’t this story being told by the main stream media? And more importantly, why has the President and his administration hidden this from public view? How much money EXACTLY HAS gone to this and how much is being wasted on “the good old boy” network for shovel-ready jobs?
As Tom Fischer, vice president of the Milwaukee Police Association put it, “Are we going to fund projects for boulevards or are we going to fund public safety?”
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 6:37 am 6:37 am
Google ‘state job cuts’ and you’ll see even more stories of pending job cuts by states all over the country. Hundreds of thousands of unemployed state workers will undoubtedly be added to the already horrendous number of unemployed.
And yet the Obama administration continues to claim that states have shored up their losses, projects are underway and the stimulus has done it’s job. With the state-run media playing along, the President can remain confident that the ugly truth of unemployment and job losses will remain hidden.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 6:59 am 6:59 am
HOW Can obama promote new jobs and think we will gain something ? especially when we are still losing over a hundred thousand a month to the likes of china.
we are an industrialized nation who has had our jobs go overseas, to satisfy the greed of big business.
slick willy clinton did a great job of the sellout.wallmart is the biggest benafactor–and hillary was on the legal board with wallmart.
it seems obame is far to influenced by the clintons,and is promoting free trade with other countries,how many jobs does he think we have to give?we are heading toward third country status.
the big problem is how do we stop the downhill slide.
rodney
Posted by: rodney | November 22, 2009, 8:35 am 8:35 am
QUITE SIMPLY THERE HAS TO BE SOME IMPORT CONTROLLS AS COUNTRIES SUCH AS CHINA ARE DUMPING ON US AND DESTROYING OUR JOB BASE,RESULTING IN A CONTINUING DETERIATION OF OUR ECONOMY.
IT IS AFFECTING ALL STAGES OF OUR JOB BASE AND OUR LIVES.I AM AFRAID THE PROVERBIAL CRAP WILL HIT THE FAN CAUSING MASSIVE CIVIL UNREST IN OUR GREAT COUNTRY.
SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET CONTROLL OF THE POLITICAL PROSTITUTES IN THIS COUNTRY.
THE CHINESE ARE AT WAR WITH US AND THEY ARE WINNING AS THEY FINANCIALLY DESTROYING US.
Posted by: rodney | November 22, 2009, 8:57 am 8:57 am
“I will not let up until businesses start hiring again, unemployed Americans start working again and we rebuild this economy stronger and more prosperous than it was before,” President Obama said.
Hope that it will be done…
Posted by: ilona@israel | November 22, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am
the truth about health care is very simple.
some get rich fast people who chose to sue the health care industry are failing to see the damage
all the ambulance chasers are advertising for your business for a reason.
they are getting wealthy the insurance company simply raises the cost to cover loses–and we the public get to pay the cost to make them wealthy and then we cry we cannot afford health care. fall down and play the cripple act and you will end up getting ssi. entitlements are a major source of income in the usa and a great percentage have absolutely nothing wrong with them–all this cost eventually comes to rest on the middle class working people who are becoming low income people.
Posted by: rodney | November 22, 2009, 9:30 am 9:30 am
how in the world can someone believe that when we we have everything to lose and are the most prosperous country on earth opening ourselves to free trade we will gain something.
has the lesson still not been learned.
our jobs have gone overseas.
go in any superstore-pick up an item made in china-and ask yourself how many jobs it has cost us here” now multiply that by thousands of items you should start to get the picture.
NOW ASK YOURSELF WHO IS MAKING ALL THE MONEY AND GETTING RICH,IT CERTAINLY IS NOT YOU.and obama is promoting more of the same,just when i thought he had our interest in mind.
Posted by: rodney | November 22, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Fewer than half of Iowans approve of President Barack Obama’s performance in office a year after he carried the state in the 2008 election, according to The Des Moines Register’s Iowa Poll.
Obama’s overall job approval slipped to 49 percent from 53percent in September. Iowans’ approval is down 19 percentage points since an Iowa Poll in January, about the time he was inaugurated.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
our polititions constantly flapping their mouths as to th e government creating jobs.
i have one major question to ask—-WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME FROM,PERHAPS JUST SPEED UP THE PRINTING PRESSES AND SEE HOW RAPIDLY OUR MONEY IS WORTHLESS.
WE NEED INDUSTRY TO STAY IN THIS COUNTRY,EVEN AN IDIOT CAN REALIZE THIS.
WHY ARE SO ALL CONSUMED WITH PLEASING CHINA.
Posted by: rodney | November 22, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Ah, Copenhagen. If there is a single word that can cause me to burst out sponataneously in gloating laughter, it’s the name of that wonderful town
Who’s going? Well, certainly not B. Obama, even though he will be going to nearby Oslo. He knows that he simply cannot afford to get that much egg on his face.
I want maximum press coverage of the zealous buffoons who do go, and I hope and pray that the corpulent, now-disgraced Al Gore is among them.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am
RCP average Obama approval among voters: 47.0%.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am
why are so many cities and towns facing job cuts and pending job cuts?
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You may have missed it, but there was a huge economic breakdown in 2008 during which more and more people lost their jobs and without jobs, the amount of taxes collected fell.
This threw state and local governments into a desperate state with not enough tax money coming in to meet their budgets – hence a main focus of the Recovery and Reinvestment Plan was focused on shoring up state and local budgets – to save as many police, firefighters, health and education jobs as possible.
The financial size of the Recovery and Reinvestment Plan was cut back (largely by Republicans) before it could be passed. This turns out to have probably been a mistake, hence the job losses you refer to . ..
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
RCP average Obama approval among voters: 47.0%.
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The RCP Poll Average has President Obama at 50.6% approval rate; 43.4% disapprove.
You will recall that Reagan fell BELOW 40% during his first term and won election to office for a second term.
Stop panicking Fascist – you’re embarrassing.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
When President Barack Obama faces a difficult question about—for example—the deficit, he engages in a time honored tactic. Obama blames his predecessor, in his case President George W. Bush, for the problems he “inherited.”
This tactic was on display during the press conference in an exchange with CNN’s Ed
Obama Blames Bush for Deficits
Henry.
“HENRY: You’ve been very critical of President Bush doubling the national debt. And, to be fair, it’s not just Republicans hitting you. Democrat Kent Conrad, as you know, said, quote, “When I look at this budget, I see the debt doubling again.”
“You keep saying that you’ve inherited a big fiscal mess. Do you worry, though, that your daughters, not to mention the next president, will be inheriting an even bigger fiscal mess if the spending goes out of control?
“OBAMA: Of course I do, Ed, which is why we’re doing everything we can to reduce that deficit. Look, if this were easy, then, you know, we would have already had it done, and the budget would have been voted on, and everybody could go home. This is hard.
“And the reason it’s hard is because we’ve accumulated a structural deficit that’s going to take a long time, and we’re not going to be able to do it next year or the year after or three years from now. What we have to do is bend the curve on these deficit projections. And the best way for us to do that is to reduce health care costs. That’s not just my opinion. That’s the opinion of almost every single person who has looked at our long-term fiscal situation.”
The problem is, as Hotair’s Ed Morrissey points out, that’s not entirely true.
“While the deficit jumped in the last year of the Bush administration, thanks to the spending on the bailouts, deficits had declined since 2004 until then. Bush had structured his budgets to get back to balance in the next few years — although without considering the huge mandates in Medicare and Social Security.
“Obama’s plans don’t count those mandates, either — but they blow up the deficit—”
There used to be a story, no doubt apocryphal, about a newly sworn in President finding two sealed envelopes on the desk in the Oval Office. The first was marked: “To be opened during first crisis.” The envelope contained the advice: “Blame your predecessor.” The second envelope was
Obama Blames Bush for Deficits
marked: “To be opened during second crises.” The envelope contained the advice. “Prepare two envelopes.”
The point of the story is that shifting blame to the previous guy, while it works at first, will not work forever. AIG, for example, is entirely Obama’s child. Also, one successor gets to blame you for his problems. Besides, constantly complaining that “But George really did it” is kind of school-boyish and not very Presidential.
Posted by: young_voter | November 22, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Obama’s New Tack: Blaming Bush
By Scott Wilson
Washington Post
Saturday, March 14, 2009
Posted by: young_voter | November 22, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
The Guardian(UK):
“The alleged emails illustrate the persistent pressure some climatologists have been under from sceptics in recent years.
Mark Steyn:
“Yes, it’s awfully stressful having to develop models to ”hide the decline” in global temperatures, “balance the needs of the science and the IPCC”, pressure scientific journals to exclude dissenting views, and delete (illegally) material requested under the Freedom of Information Act.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
“While the deficit jumped in the last year of the Bush administration, thanks to the spending on the bailouts, deficits had declined since 2004 until then
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Hotair is not being forthcoming . . .
Under the Bush administration an average of $500 BILLION dollars was added to the national debt for EVERY year of his administration. These figures are readily available through the Bureau of Public Dept, Department of the Treasury.
And Obama was correct – the deficit for 2009 was already projected at $1.2 TRILLION dollars before he took office in January.
These are simple facts that can be easily checked – even a Republican could do it.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
The Zanies are reduced to hoping their Messiah will become Ronald Reagan.
Well, he could start by cutting taxes across the board and slashing the capital gains rate. Somehow I suspect it ain’t gonna happen, and so his approval among actual voters is likely to remain at or below its current level of 47%.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Saturday, March 14, 2009
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Try to catch up, it’s November.
Of course the mess left by Bush was a MAJOR factor in March (after basically 45 days of Obama being in office) – the economy was in economic freefall.
In fact the complete economic mess Bush left is still hugely in play.
The economic disaster left at the end of the Bush administration does not disappear with the wave of a magic wand. There is no magic wand – recovering from the mess will take time – we are not out of it yet. Nobody in the world is . .
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
How many times have we heard President Barack Obama or high-ranking members of his administration lament the fact that the president “inherited” a recession?
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Nobody is denying this is true. When the Obama administration took office the economy was in virtual economic free-fall, the economy was hemmorgging close to 700,000 jobs a month, the Dow Jones had crashed and foreclosures and bankruptcies were through the roof.
Since Obama took office, the Dow Jones is up 35%, job losses are down and the GDP showed its first signs of positive growth.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
The RCP Poll Average has President Obama at 50.6% approval rate; 43.4% disapprove.
You will recall that Reagan fell BELOW 40% during his first term and won election to office for a second term.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Times (UK):
The real problem may be Obama’s friends — or rather, those among his formerly most enthusiastic supporters who are now having second thoughts.
The doubters are suddenly stretching across a broad section of the Democratic party’s natural constituency. They include black congressional leaders upset by the sluggish economy; women and Hispanics appalled by concessions made to Republicans on healthcare; anti-war liberals depressed by the debate over troops for Afghanistan; and growing numbers of blue-collar workers who are continuing to lose their jobs and homes.
Obama’s Asian adventure perceptibly increased the murmurings of dissent when he returned to Washington last week, having failed to wring any public concessions from China on any major issue.
For most Americans, the most talked-about moment of the trip was not the Great Wall visit but his low bow to Emperor Akihito of Japan, which the president’s right-wing critics assailed as “a spineless blunder” and excessively deferential.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
With the state-run media playing along, the President can remain confident that the ugly truth of unemployment and job losses will remain hidden.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas
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Don’t forget about the fact that they aren’t reporting on the FACTS that this healthcare bill is NOT BUDGET NEUTRAL. Paying for an item for 10 years and only receiving goods for that item for 6 years is the kind of smoke and mirrors this administration has been allowed to dispatch, with no challenges from MSM.
The article on Asia is damage control. Our President bowed, and got NOTHING.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | November 22, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
For most Americans, the most talked-about moment of the trip was not the Great Wall visit but his low bow to Emperor Akihito of Japan, which the president’s right-wing critics assailed as “a spineless blunder” and excessively deferential.
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This was certainly the focus of right wing attack-Obama groups in America (and the ‘soap opera’ news media) – but not of any thinking Americans.
Let’s hope the country call continue to keep its head above this bottom-feeding mentality.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
“… job losses are down…”
Tell that to the more than three million Americans who have lost their jobs since this clown began inflicting his harm upon the economy.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
The real problem may be Obama’s friends — or rather, those among his formerly most enthusiastic supporters who are now having second thoughts.
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People are allowed to think about and question decisions made by their President – this is a natural process.
What you seem to ignore is that, despite the very difficult war and economic situation, Obama continues to hold about a 50% approval rating.
This is a major accomplishment – given that a poor economy sunk someone like Reagan to below 40% during his first term. Obama is dealing with conditions worse than Reagan had to handle.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
US public debt on the day this disastrously inept president took office was $10.628 trillion. As of yesterday it was $12.011 trilion–an increase of $1.12 trillion in just ten months. $787 billion of that came in the stroke of Obama’s pen on the failed stimulus bill. That ridiculous pork-ridden failure did no good at all, and cost more than the entire Iraq war.
And the zanies are concerned about an increase of $500 billion per year? Those were the good ol’ days…
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
As of yesterday it was $12.011 trilion–an increase of $1.12 trillion in just ten months.
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Yes, and a major part of that increase in debt was already budgeted when Obama took office.
Heh! In case you missed it – the United States went through a major economic breakdown in 2008! Check it out.
Millions of people lost their jobs and were unable to pay taxes – many required public assistance just to make ends meet and not end up on the street. This strained government coffers.
It is VERY unfortunate that during the ‘good economic times’ the Bush administration hurtled the country further and further into debt. When the difficult times came, had we banked some money and put ourselves in a stronger positions? No, we had been left further and further into debt.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
$787 billion of that came in the stroke of Obama’s pen on the failed stimulus bill.
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Pssst! Pay attention. The Recovery and Reinvestment plan is a MULTI-YEAR plan. About 1/4 of the plan and the monies have been put in place – more is coming on stream – as planned.
Economists see the turn around in employment numbers coming in March this coming year.
Sorry pal, no magic wand waving works here – only a concerted effort.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
“If we could see a reduced Shakespeare summary of Obama’s presidency it would read:
Dither, dither, speech.
Foreign trip, bow, reasuure.
Seminar, summit.
Shoot a jump shot with the guys, throw out the 1st pitch in mom jeans.
Compromise, concede,close the deal.
Dithere, dither, water down, news conference. Maureen Dowd
Pretty much sums it up except she left out: bow, apologize, appease, spend, tax, backdoor deals, fake jobs, fake districts, spend, tax, war with Fox, spend, tax, apologize, appease, spend, tax.
Posted by: millie | November 22, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Every single penny that has been spent since January 20, 2009 has been spent by Obama and the Democratic congress. It was in their power, and theirs alone, to enact legislation to reduce or eliminate the deficit. They elected not to do so. Instead, they did the exact opposite. And they propose to increase the national debt by more than $900 Billion every year for the next decade. That is why you do not hear any Democrats whining about Bush-era deficits, although occasionally a zany will show up here and do just that..
That is why congress’s approval is sow low, and why Obama is below 50% approval in every poll of voters. (If anyone is aware of a poll of voters in which Obama’s approval is higher than 49%, please bring it to our attentio immediately.)
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
“If we could see a reduced Shakespeare summary of Obama’s presidency i
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Sure, if Shakespeare were a terrible writer and paid no attention to real politics – but just right wing parroting points.
Dithering. We know who really ‘dithered’.
Bush and Cheney left Afghanistan simmering on the back burner for 7 years while the Taliban and al Qaeda regrouped – with serious consequences for our troops and the Afghani people.
Seven years of ‘dithering’ and Cheney has the gall to attack the President – total hypocrisy.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Every single penny that has been spent since January 20, 2009 has been spent by Obama and the Democratic congress. It was in their power, and theirs alone, to enact legislation to reduce or eliminate the deficit.
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Nonsense, you apparently have no idea how budgeting and commitment of dollars works in a fiscal year in a corporation or a government.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…oh, what’s that? He’s done reading off the teleprompter? He’s not? Okay….. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Posted by: YellowstreamMediaHater | November 22, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Now Obama is going to convene a “jobs summit.” Wahoo! That’s what this administration thinks is the way jobs get created–really!
Maybe that’s because no one in the administration has ever had to make a decision about whether to hire a worker with his own money.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
That is why you do not hear any Democrats whining about Bush-era deficits
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You don’t hear it if you’re ideologically deaf.
The problem with the Republican Bush administration is they increased the national debt by an average of $500 BILLION dollars DURING THE ‘GOOD ECONOMIC TIMES’. The time to store away for a cold winter is during the season of plenty – unfortunately under Bush – the debt was increased. Nothing was stored away for the hard times.
Surprising Republicans would be so irresponsible – and leave the country is such poor shape for when the crisis hit.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
He’s done reading off the teleprompter?
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. . same old right wing line..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
A scientific fraud unravels before our eyes:
In one e-mail, the center’s director, Phil Jones, writes Pennsylvania State University’s Michael E. Mann and questions whether the work of academics that question the link between human activities and global warming deserve to make it into the prestigious IPCC report, which represents the global consensus view on climate science.
“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report,” Jones writes. “Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”
In another, Jones and Mann discuss how they can pressure an academic journal not to accept the work of climate skeptics with whom they disagree. “Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal,” Mann writes.
“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor,” Jones replies.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Suddenly we have an acknowledgement that the Bush years were the “good years.”
And I suppose me must conclude that by budgeting $900 billion dollar deficits for each of the next ten years, Mr. Obama expects that they will be “bad years.” But no wonder: he thinks the Dems will be in power that long.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
“The war in Afghanistan is over.”
–Nancy Pelosi, April 2005
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
I have found dozens of stories about first responders threatened by budget cuts from the past 3 months but my attempts to post them have been repeatedly thwarted. That’s fine. They exist and if you are interested, you can find them on your own.
If the stimulus money has “done its job” why are states, cities and towns across America continuing to slash these jobs? Why is the stimulus money being trickled out to “shovel-ready” projects when so many cities and towns need first responders to stay on their jobs?
Only 13% of the stimulus money has been distributed. Much more is committed but committed to what? What good is a new sidewalk when the public safety is in jeopardy?
The President has not addressed this critical issue. Public safety is being threatened by 2010 budget cuts and he is busy holding a jobs conference in December.
I was against the bailout and the stimulus but since it was passed, I want the money to go to immediate needs not some future shovel ready project in a politician’s district governed by an inept vice president.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Suddenly we have an acknowledgement that the Bush years were the “good years.”
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Bush inherited a budget that had been pulled under control and a deficit that had been cut to almost nothing – and proceeded to spend so much that the national debt increased by an average of $500 BILLION dollars for every year he was in power.
When the economy collapsed his administration had deeply indebted the country – and left it unprepared and in very poor shape to absorb the blow.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Obama approval: 48%. Gallup. Adults (not voters). Nationwide, Today.
(This calls for a ritual attack on Rasmussen, right?)
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 22, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Obama approval: 48%. Gallup. Adults (not voters). Nationwide, Today.
(This calls for a ritual attack on Rasmussen, right?)
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No, it calls for a sensible comparison with another President who faced an economic recession in his first term – Ronald Reagan.
Reagan’s approval rating sunk BELOW 40% in his first term – and he won re-election.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Hope & Change is an elusive concept… a lot like Smoke & Mirrors.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
“The doubters are suddenly stretching across a broad section
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The doubters spread across a far greater spectrum for Reagan . . . he dropped BELOW 40% approval during his first term.
Don’t be taken in by hyped up media hyperbole – as much as it suits your agenda.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Obama got NOTHING from China except a spanking.
EPIC FAIL.
No one respects a weenie.
Posted by: drjohn | November 22, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Out of curiosity, where do you get 13%
Posted by: @Octavia | Nov 22, 2009 4:12:34 PM
I went to recovery dot gov and put my mouse over the bar graph. It said 13% received and 58% awarded.
I don’t vouch for the numbers.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
It’s sort of funny. Fallows suggests that because failure was predicted, it wasn’t really failure.
LOL
Posted by: drjohn | November 22, 2009, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Obama got NOTHING from China except a spanking.
EPIC FAIL.
No one respects a weenie.
Posted by: drjohn | Nov 22, 2009 4:27:40 PM
Will CNN fact-check last nights China trip “will you kiss me?” skit from SNL? Enquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
As a former bench scientist, the East Anglia hacks are almost unbelievible-that’s why I’m shocked that the University of East Anglia has admitted they are genuine.
Posted by: Nephron | November 22, 2009, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Only 13% of the stimulus money has been distributed.
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That ‘roll over’ graphic of the Recover.gov page deals with one section of Recovery funds.
To see total of funds distributed, scroll down page to ‘Overview of Funding’.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
What’s with the SNL kissing skit of Mr. Obama? What is SNL implying? Even though Mr. Obama is one of our country’s worst President, he doesn’t deserve a skit like that.
Posted by: young_voter | November 22, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Typical lame deflections to ignore the rest of the comments. Focus on the 13% to avoid the rest of the post. Blah, blah, blah. I repeat:
I have found dozens of stories about first responders threatened by budget cuts from the past 3 months but my attempts to post them have been repeatedly thwarted. That’s fine. They exist and if you are interested, you can find them on your own.
If the stimulus money has “done its job” why are states, cities and towns across America continuing to slash these jobs? Why is the stimulus money being trickled out to “shovel-ready” projects when so many cities and towns need first responders to stay on their jobs?
Only 13% of the stimulus money has been distributed. Much more is committed but committed to what? What good is a new sidewalk when the public safety is in jeopardy?
The President has not addressed this critical issue. Public safety is being threatened by 2010 budget cuts and he is busy holding a jobs conference in December.
I was against the bailout and the stimulus but since it was passed, I want the money to go to immediate needs not some future shovel ready project in a politician’s district governed by an inept vice president.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Typical lame deflections to ignore the rest of the comments. Focus on the 13% to avoid the rest of the post.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 22, 2009 6:38:52 PM
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No, just trying to correct an obvious error in your post, so that you’re not spreading false information.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
I have found dozens of stories about first responders threatened by budget cuts from the past 3 months
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There was a huge economic breakdown in 2008 during which more and more people lost their jobs and without jobs, the volume of taxes collected fell.
This threw state and local governments into a desperate state with not enough tax money coming in to meet their budgets.
Hence a main focus of the Recovery and Reinvestment Plan was focused on shoring up state and local budgets – to save as many police, firefighters, health and education jobs as possible.
It’s worth remembering, the financial size of the Recovery and Reinvestment Plan was cut back (largely by Republicans) before it could be passed.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Everyone needs to see the Saturday Night Live skit of Obama and the Chinese pm.
Absolute gold and captured Obama’s “plan” perfectly.
“Plan, what plan?”
Posted by: Huh? | November 22, 2009, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Hence a main focus of the Recovery and Reinvestment Plan was focused on shoring up state and local budgets – to save as many police, firefighters, health and education jobs as possible.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 22, 2009 7:11:57 PM
If the stimulus money has “done its job” why are states, cities and towns across America continuing to slash these jobs? Why is the stimulus money being trickled out to “shovel-ready” projects when so many cities and towns need first responders to stay on their jobs?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
“Obama last week presented congressional Democrats with a proposal to dedicate $675 billion to $775 billion over the next two years to middle-class tax cuts, aid to strapped state governments and investments in domestic priorities such as infrastructure, health-care technology and education — a package designed to jolt the economy while deterring further layoffs and putting people back to work.” -WaPo, 12/21/08
Notice it say “over the next two years.” As usual, goalposts have been apparently moved to four years.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
“A top White House economist says spending from the $787 billion economic stimulus has already had its biggest impact on economic growth and will likely not contribute to significant expansion next year.” -JIM KUHNHENN (AP), 10/22/09
Sooooooooooo, it’s over?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
What’s with the SNL kissing skit of Mr. Obama?
Posted by: young_voter | Nov 22, 2009 4:55:34 PM
“I am noticing that each of your plans to save money involves spending even more money.” -SNL
Wouldn’t tierra say they were smearing the President with their lies? Is SNL a right wing hater group?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
If the stimulus money has “done its job” why are states, cities and towns across America continuing to slash these jobs?
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You would have to be in lah-lah land to think the Recovery and Reinvestment act was going to fix everything in a matter of 9 months!
Remember – the financial size of the Recovery and Reinvestment Plan was cut back – almost exclusively by Republicans – before it could be passed.
If that money were still in place, perhaps their would be the necessary funds to totally prop up state and local governments.
Too bad the Republicans didn’t get behind the plan.
Imagine what would have happened to first responders jobs if the Republicans had their way and blocked all of this funding – they tried hard.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Sooooooooooo, it’s over?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 22, 2009 9:13:23 PM
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Is WHAT over?
Posted by: @Octavia | Nov 22, 2009 9:59:55 PM
Just curious because tierra (and danita before her) has been telling us all along that the stimulus is a four year plan that’s just building up steam. And now I find that in one more month it will have already had its biggest impact. I blinked and it was gone!
You guys are this big stimulus impact experts so I’m just looking for a little clarity is all.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
“an accomplishment unparalleled in human history”?
Where were you Jake when the one described the economic development of China in these terms ?
Posted by: nat turner | November 22, 2009, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
You guys are this big stimulus impact experts so I’m just looking for a little clarity is all.
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Well she explained it to you – next time try doing some research instead of just improvising – that only shows your lack of knowledge.
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
tierra has been telling us all along that the stimulus is a four year plan that’s just building up steam. And now I find that in one more month it will have already had its biggest impact.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
You guys are this big stimulus impact experts so I’m just looking for a little clarity is all.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 22, 2009 10:21:01 PM
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Well she explained it to you – next time try doing some research instead of just improvising – that only shows your lack of knowledge.
Do some research – last time you did though you posted incorrect information from Recovery.gov
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Do some research – last time you did though you posted incorrect information from Recovery.gov
Posted by: tierra | Nov 22, 2009 10:56:40 PM
So tell us more about how the stimulus plan is a four-year plan… love to hear all about it.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 22, 2009, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
So tell us more about how the stimulus plan is a four-year plan… love to hear all about it.
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If you’re claiming this isn’t a 4-year plan – provide some proof . .. you’ve heard of that right? Actual facts . . .
Posted by: tierra | November 22, 2009, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
Let the SPIN begin! Pfft!!
Posted by: Sunnyr | November 23, 2009, 4:19 am 4:19 am
So tell us more about how the stimulus plan is a four-year plan… love to hear all about it.
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If you’re claiming this isn’t a 4-year plan – provide some proof . .. you’ve heard of that right? Actual facts . . .
Heh? Concerned in OH . .. speak up . . .
Posted by: tierra | November 23, 2009, 4:25 am 4:25 am
So tell us more about how the stimulus plan is a four-year plan… love to hear all about it.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 22, 2009 11:06:00 PM
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If you’re claiming this isn’t a 4-year plan – provide some proof . .. you’ve heard of that right? Actual facts . . .
Heh? Concerned in OH . .. speak up . . .
dr.john? . .. young_voter . .. Peahead?
Posted by: tierra | November 23, 2009, 5:39 am 5:39 am
Posted by: annie p | Nov 23, 2009 6:34:43 AM
Same thing the right wing always does when it has no answers and no credibility – attack with name calling and insult.
Juvenile . ..
Posted by: tierra | November 23, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm