President Obama Honors Fallen at Fort Hood, Alludes to Alleged Assailant’s Faith

If a US soldier of German descent during WWII had shouted “Heil Hitler!” and then shot 13 of his fellow US soldiers at a military base or installation, what do you think the press and the president would have said about this soldier?
Don’t jump to any conclusions?

“No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts…”
Sadly, that’s just not true.

Will he be naming the Democrats on the homeland security panel that dropped the ball on this.. I hope the families sue the hell out of the government, since the military personel themselves are not allowed to
The Democrats are responsible for this attack, they were warned…

“I wonder if Republicans would have done the same,”
Fortunately for our country a Democrat was not in office.
Funny how shameless smearing only goes in one direction.

Posted by: tierra | Nov 10, 2009 4:33:08 PM
Copy, paste, repeat.
They do this in kindergarten, too except they tend to eat the paste.

Yes, we’ve all noticed exactly which party was EAGER to begin the smearing after this ‘terrorist’ incident . . . Posted by: tierra | Nov 10, 2009 4:33:08 PM: First of all the President did not call this a Terrorist incident! Second off all I seam to remember a lot of Democratic opposition to Bush. Third I believe that Most of the criticism towards Obama about this has been aimed at his response not in deeds but in words, Shout Outs are bad enough but the speeches just came across as cold and empty. No sincerity.

Can you imagine, Winston Churchill would responded to Hitler’s attack on Poland with this type of mild comments: “No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice – in this world, and the next.”

“Second off all I seam to remember a lot of Democratic opposition to Bush.”
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After 9/11 Bush’s approval ratings soared to close to 90%. Democrats rallied behind the office of the President.
On the other hand, what we see here on this blog is a bunch of carpers attacking the President after this tragedy. The same nonsense we see day in and day out – attacks on the President regardless of what he does – he even gets attacked for taking his kids out for ice cream.
Unfortunately, what we are seeing here is a bunch of extremist right wingers with little sense of dignity or respect – and this does not reflect mainstream America.

Ryan C,
It was Neville Chamberlain but that was not the point I think those of us with a brain understand the point he was trying to make.

So what if he wasn’t PM at the time? He had been roundly denouncing Hitler throughout the shameful period of appeasement; before the invasion of Poland he had said, quite prophetically, “Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonor. They chose dishonor. They will have war.”

“Experts agree that if nothing is done, the unemployment rate could reach double digits.”
–B.H. Obama, January 24, 2009

“Experts agree that if nothing is done, the unemployment rate could reach double digits.”
–B.H. Obama, January 24, 2009
He’s right.
The Republicans were fine with doing absolutely nothing.
As bad as it has been we would have been staring at a much worse economy without the stimulus.
How come you don’t post the Dow Jones anymore?
Remember when you tried to blame the Dow falling on Obama.
That was funny.

The head of the OECD was on television today stating he expects ALL of the western industrialized countries to see increasing unemployment rates sometime into the future. That is the extent of the economic collapse world wide.

“As bad as it has been we would have been staring at a much worse economy without the stimulus.”
Prove it.

“When the Dems took control of congress the u/e rate was under 5%. When Obama took office it was slightly over 7%.”
Unemployment was below 5% until Mar of 2008.
And thanks to the Bush economy imploding we now have 10% unemployment.

How many more Americans will be killed because of the insanity of political correctness?

“How many more Americans will be killed because of the insanity of political correctness?”
Weren’t you the same guy who flipped out about the homeland security report regarding right wing terrorism risks?

It is amazing that some of the comments on this topic has the same “twisted thought patterns” of the killer and Hater that mowed down 13 of our sons, daughters, husbands,wives, brothers and sisters. All of you Historians need to get a life and become true Americans that doesn’t use a ‘tragic” situation to “advocate” your own hate. YOU are scary! My God, my faith nor my moral compass condome killing…so I don’t know what GOD some of you know, it’s certainly is NOT the God I know. The President had it right.

“TWISTED” it was!

“A fitting tribute to the liberators of Iraq, and to the commander-in-chief who sent them there.”
Only a right winger would use words honoring our servicemen and women to prop up a failed and rejected politician.

Pitch perfect speech at Ft. Hood. Thank you. Saw good reviews and appreciation on military blogs as well.

The U/E rate is Obama’s, AS IS THE 2 VIET-NAM-LIKE WARS, A BROKE BANK ACCOUNT AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS OF MESS LEFT FROM AN INEPT ADMINISTRATION. All of this has happened in 10 months? Dam, “GET YOUR MOPS” and stop wishing American to fail. He won’t believe that!

I do not understand how Tierra, Ryan C and Sara can be so supportive of such an inept President. What has he done to prove himself to any one? How long before he takes responsibility 1 year 2 years 3? He is waiting to make a decision on Afghanistan while people die, he refuses to call this man a terrorist when it is clear that is what he was! He continues to weaken a nation and Lie to the people we need a president not a Motivational Speaker!

sara, even the unborn?

WW1 & W11 were fought Over There, so that it would Not Come over here. Country First. Sarah Palin 2012.

…Not even the “scumbags” that kills the Healthcare Providers based on their “perverted belief systems”….and then “uses” GOD to justify it. Only “twisted thinkers” agrees… so who is the worst of these…..the hater and killer of our soldiers or the hater and killers of others that they don’t agree with?

“I do not understand how Tierra, Ryan C and Sara can be so supportive of such an inept President.”
Right wingers often do not understand people who think for themselves.
Interestingly the 3 people you mention each support the President on different things not always in agreement with his actions.
The one thing you could say we are united on is answering right wing lies.
But don’t worry Beck will tell you what to be outraged at this evening and you can work yourself into a froth.

LOL…BECK, the Make-Believe Psychiatrist with the Blackboard? The Spitting, red, angry man. Anger leaves you irrational.

Ryan C…..please go to Roland Martins site via CNN and hear what Steele said about the Republican Party and their “twisted” ignorance. Or just type “Roland Martin”…..this will “enlighten” you further on how these people thinks.

Fascist Hyena… HISTORIANS SHOULDN’T be letting your “intelligence” go to waste….Get your mop and support cleaning up the Messes of Today!

“And the words used by Mr. Obama to honor our servicemen and women cannot be applied to their noble mission in liberating Iraq without so honoring the leader who was ultimately responsible for what they achieved.”
Again that you hear words honoring our servicemen and woman and so desperately need to cast them as praise for Bush is demented at best, disgustingly craven at worst.

Obama’s comments were wonderful. It’s hard to imagine that any words can help in a situation like this, but his actually conveyed the solemn and sacred nature of this occasion. I am proud to have him as our President. He will show Hasan justice, unfortunately for Hasan.
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Thank you Kendra for bringing back the focus to where it should be today – on the fallen, and the respect and tributes being paid to them.

But the man he assaulted was actually a Greek Orthodox priest visiting from overseas who spoke limited English, police said….
Posted by: Ryan C | Nov 10, 2009 7:30:22 PM
“During the chase, the suspect called 911 and claimed an Arabic male attempted to rob him and he was going to take him into custody,” a Tampa Police Department news release states. “When officers arrived, the suspect claimed the man was a terrorist.”
Hence the focus on not jumping to conclusions by the President and others that some wingnuts mocked (because it was the President who said it–they didn’t seem to mind it when the military urged the same thing.)

“The fighting off our coasts, and the occasional incursions onto US soil, in WWII were trivial. Hawaii and Alaska (as well as Wake Island and the Philippines) were US territory under various constructions of that term, but were not what is normally known as “US soil.”
They certainly were US soil, with Hawaii and Alaska becoming states shortly after the war.
Besides WW1 and WW2 were not fought over there so it was not fought over here.
The US at the time enjoyed the vast natural barriers of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans so geography dictated where the battles took place.
“That is why, after Germany declared war on the US, FDR invaded the Solomon Islands, Tunisia, Italy and France (among may other places), none of which had anything to do with Pearl Harbor.”
Speeding things up I see?
First, in the Pacific theater we sought to stop the Japanese Navy and Army which were rampaging throughout the South Pacific.
Next we invaded North Africa as part of the agreement with the Allies to sweep the Axis from there first.
The decision to invade Sicily and Italy was next as the Allies sought to control the Mediterranean.
But the Germans stopped us in Italy even as Mussolini’s regime crumbled.
So the plan to invade France moved forward…

The fighting off our coasts, and the occasional incursions onto US soil, in WWII were trivial.”
US Merchant Marines: “According to the War Shipping Administration, the U.S. Merchant Marine suffered the highest rate of casualties of any service in World War II. Officially, a total of 1,554 ships were sunk due to war conditions, including 733 ships of over 1,000 gross tons.”
Regions ships were sunk
“Alaska 48 ships
Approach Med (Atlantic Ocean near Gibraltar) 29 ships
Caribbean 180 ships
Eastcoast (Atlantic coast of U.S.) 175 ships
Gulf of Mexico 46 ships
Indian-Red Sea (Indian Ocean – Red Sea) 49 ships
Med-Black Sea (Mediterranean and Black Sea) 251 ships
Murmansk Run 85 ships
Normandy 69 ships
NE Atlantic (Northeast Atlantic includes ports in Great Britain, Belgium, etc.) 155 ships
N Atlantic (North Atlantic) 168 ships
Okinawa 30 ships
Pacific includes Hong Kong and Shanghai 130 ships
Philippines 128 ships
S Atlantic (South Atlantic) 69 ships
Westcoast (Pacific coast of U.S.) 27 ships
Region unknown 92 ship”

Hmmm, Hasan visits same mosque as 9/11 terrorists and most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi Citizens. Makes the thinking person wonder.

“I guess so the the consumers of right wing media get confused, hence the tire iron attack. ”
This was reported originally by the St. Petersburg Times, not well known as right wing media since the Times endorsed Kerry and Gore as well as other Democrats. The prudent thing here would be to let the facts come out in a court of law before judging either party. Unless, of course, you were there as a witness and have your own system of justice.

There are more gravestones with the Muslim crescent in Arlington than American Muslims who have ever lifted a gun against their country. Profiling people based strictly on their faith is a waste of time and spitting on the graves of the Muslims who gave their life for our nation.
What religion was Timothy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Theodore Kaczynski?

“My laugh of the day (but apologies to Sigmonde if, in fact, he WAS a witness at Fort Hood and does has his own system of justice).”
I think you’re safe on that one.

The wingnuts are always looking for “hysteria”…..”the Muslims are coming, the muslims are coming”.

Ollie…did you want our President to “scream” hysteria without Facts of any investigations? A President is a Leader, not an “Assumptionist”…that leads to “untruths”…..The memorial services was scheduled within 5 days…and that’s when he attended and gave a deserving tribute to our fallen….

the ones who bought up 1 million worth of ammo after the President was elected should “cling to their guns”….or the ignorant ones who shows up at our Presidential events with guns strapped on their hips….I guess those are the ones who should keep “clinging to their guns”……it makes them FEEL real powerful, uh?

bl….so you want a war against your fellow Americans…..don’t you think your suggestion is child-like and irrational….with your “twisted thinking”, you probably thinks that’s rational, right?

Ollie…did you want our President to “scream” hysteria without Facts of any investigations?
Posted by Sara 8:36 P.M.
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“I don’t know all the facts, but I think the Police acted stupidly.” Your President, screaming hysteria, about Police Officer Crowley.
Selective memory?

A Mohammedan takes flight into the great beyond to rendezvous with many virgins…
“Washington sniper John Muhammad was executed on Tuesday by lethal injection over a series of 2002 shootings that left 10 people dead, a prison official said.”

“…the ignorant ones who shows up at our Presidential events with guns strapped on their hips…”
Only guy I saw do that was the black dude at that rally. Are you saying he was ignorant?

“What religion was Timothy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Theodore Kaczynski?”
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Weren’t they part of the right wing nutcase religion who attacked the federal government, the ‘liberal agenda’, American citizens and their government? Weren’t some of them radical Christians, part of the crowd that encouraged each other to attack doctors who did legal abortions, homosexuals and such? Or radical, ‘the government is turning us into a commie encampment’ religious nuts?
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And part of the ‘white supremacist’ religious right?

I have no idea, and I am aware of no evidence that, whatever their religion, it played any part in the horrors they committed.
If you cannot confront the evidence that Major Hasan, and others who have explicitly targeted Americans in general, and soldiers in particular, dis so precisely because of their Muslim religion you are simply not able to face a very cruel reality.”
Fascist Hyena | Nov 10, 2009 10:02:46 PM
Where have I EVER made such an absurd statement? There are many Muslims buried in Arlington cemetery as decorated soldiers who died defending this country. Should they have been shunned and condemned for their religion? How can you possibly explain their proud and brave service for America and then say the Muslim religion motivates people to target America?
What are YOU saying?
(And Eric Rudolph was not motivated by religion? Are you making a joke?)

Did Timothy McVeigh cry out the words “Praise be Jesus Christ” as he slaughtered his countrymen in cold blood?
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I don’t think anybody knows. . .
But certainly with Eric Rudolph he probably did as a terrorist from the white supremacist Christian movement.

This is what’s wrong with Modern Progressives. They’ll bend over backwards before they’ll recognize the obvious. Because they’re so emotionally invested in identity politics that can’t mentally assign any fault or blame to any member of a minority without presuming that fault or blame is shared across the entire demographic.
No one’s claiming all Mohammedans are terrorists. Just the ones that walk like terrorists and quack like terrorists.

This is what’s wrong with Modern Progressives. They’ll bend over backwards before they’ll recognize the obvious.
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Bullcrap. What obvious have you picked out that Modern Progressives not recognizing?

“Where have I EVER made such an absurd statement?”
I have no idea what statement you are inquiring about. You’ve made many, but in this instance you’ll have to be more precise if you want me to respond.

I have no idea what motivated Eric Rudolph. I am very confident that he was not in contact with any Christian (or other) cleric who counseled him that it was his duty to wage war against non-believers.
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That’s your guess; but people really are fueled by the group mind set of right wing ranting – and the violence, vileness and hatred against ‘liberals’ that is encouraged.
It was within the past few years that intelligence agencies in the U.S. determined right wing extremists are the biggest terrorist threats in the country.
You take a look at the juvenile and often hateful name calling and insults on this post (primarily against the President) from right wingers and you see a reflection of the same twisted mania that we saw in action recently.

tierra
“Thou Shall Not Kill” is in the Jewish and Christian religions. These religions do not teach to kill.
Prove to us what terrorist acts, name, dates, denominations, and locations were specifically committed in the name of a Christian religion with the perpetrator crying out ‘praise be Jesus Christ’ as he slaughtered his victims.

“Prove to us what terrorist acts, name, dates, denominations, and locations were specifically committed in the name of a Christian religion”
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Tom do some research on killings and bombings by the radical right and anti-abortion Christians. I think you’ll find examples. Whether they mumbled ‘praise the lord’ or ‘lord forgive me’ is pure speculation (or at least I don’t care to research it right now – that is not my focus, that’s yours.
My focus is reckless right wing hate mongering – and the right wing terrorism our intelligence agencies point to as the major threat in America.

I have no idea what motivated Eric Rudolph.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena
and some people wonder why those who flail away with the ‘rightist’ anti Obama POV aren’t taken seriously…
‘Rudolph was connected with the white supremacist Christian Identity movement. Although he has denied that his crimes were religiously or racially motivated, Rudolph has
also called himself a Roman Catholic in “the war to end this holocaust” (in reference to abortion).’
re: There is not a Christian cleric alive today, to my knowledge, who preaches that all non-believers should be murdered, and I am aware of no cleric whom Eric Rudolph consulted before committing his mindless acts.
‘to your knowledge’.. well that certainly settles the issue… the revisionistas live on…

Posted by: Huh? | Nov 11, 2009 12:19:26 AM
Huh the concern I was expressing was with right wing hate mongering and extremism IN THE UNITED STATES.
Since the April 19, 1995, bombing in Oklahoma City, the radical right has produced over 60 terrorist plots. These have included plans to bomb or burn government buildings, banks, refineries, utilities, clinics, synagogues, mosques, memorials and bridges; to assassinate police officers, judges, politicians, civil rights figures and others; to rob banks, armored cars and other criminals; and to amass illegal machine guns, missiles, explosives, and biological and chemical weapons.
The reckless extremist rhetoric, vile name calling and insults, mud slinging and hateful attacks we see on this site shows a sad contempt for civility and decent political discourse from the right wing.
Want to change it?

So while Obama is sending out our intelligence resources to monitor little old ladies who attend a Christian church more than 2x a month,
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Oh nonsense. If you want people to take your posts at all seriously, you’ll have to have a little more credibility than that.

John Dickerson: President Obama’s speech at Fort Hood, Texas, was a small masterpiece—less than 15 minutes—in part because it was so modest. The president had great material and he knew not to get in its way.
Less than three minutes into the speech, the president was telling the story of each of the 13 people who had died. The news has been full of every last detail about the shooter. Obama corrected that balance. If the shooter committed the ultimate act of selfishness, then the president took it as his task to bear witness to the selflessness and hard work of the shooter’s victims.

For Huh?
key right-wing plots of the last 10 years–
1995
July 28, 1995
Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is arrested after trying to purchase a machine gun from an undercover police officer, and is later indicted by a federal grand jury for plotting to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Texas. At the time of his arrest, Polk is trying to purchase plastic explosives to add to the already huge arsenal he’s amassed. Polk is sentenced to almost 21 years in federal prison, with a projected release date in 2009.
October 9, 1995
Saboteurs derail an Amtrak passenger train near Hyder, Ariz., killing one person and injuring scores of others. An antigovernment message, signed by the “Sons of Gestapo,” is left behind. The perpetrators remain at large.
November 9, 1995
Oklahoma Constitutional Militia leader Willie Ray Lampley, his wife Cecilia and another man, John Dare Baird, are arrested as they prepare explosives to bomb numerous targets, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, gay bars and abortion clinics. The three, along with another suspect arrested later, are sentenced to terms of up to 11 years in 1996. An appeals court upholds Lampley’s sentence the following year. Baird is released in August 2004, while Ray Lampley — who wrote letters from prison urging others to violence — is slated to be freed in January 2006.
December 18, 1995
An Internal Revenue Service (IRS) employee discovers a plastic drum packed with ammonium nitrate and fuel oil in a parking lot behind the IRS building in Reno, Nev. The device failed to explode a day earlier when a three-foot fuse went out prematurely. Ten days later, tax protester Joseph Martin Bailie is arrested. Bailie is eventually sentenced to 36 years in federal prison.

For Huh?
January 16, 1997
Two anti-personnel bombs — the second clearly designed to kill arriving law enforcement and rescue workers — explode outside an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, Ga., a suburb of Atlanta. Seven people are injured. Letters signed by the “Army of God” claim responsibility for this attack and another, a month later, at an Atlanta gay bar. Authorities later learn that these attacks, the 1998 bombing of a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic and the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing, were all carried out by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is captured in 2003 after five years on the run. Rudolph avoids the death penalty by pleading guilty in exchange for a life sentence, but simultaneously releases a defiant statement defending his attacks.
January 22, 1997
Authorities raid the Martinton, Ill., home of former Marine Ricky Salyers, an alleged Ku Klux Klan member, discovering 35,000 rounds of heavy ammunition, armor piercing shells, smoke and tear gas grenades, live shells for grenade launchers, artillery shells and other military gear. Salyers was discharged earlier from the Marines, where he taught demolitions and sniping, after tossing a live grenade (with the pin still in) at state police officers serving him with a search warrant in 1995. Following the 1997 raid, Salyers, an alleged member of the underground Black Dawn group of extremists in the military, is sentenced to serve three years for weapons violations. He is released from prison in 2000.
March 26, 1997
Militia activist Brendon Blasz is arrested in Kalamazoo, Mich., and charged with making pipe bombs and other illegal explosives. Prosecutors say Blasz plotted to bomb the federal building in Battle Creek, the IRS building in Portage, a Kalamazoo television station and federal armories. But they recommend leniency on his explosives conviction after Blasz renounces his antigovernment beliefs and cooperates with them. In August, he is sentenced to more than three years in federal prison. Blasz is released in early 2000.
April 22, 1997
Three Ku Klux Klan members are arrested in a plot to blow up a natural gas refinery outside Fort Worth, Texas, after local Klan leader Robert Spence gets cold feet and goes to the FBI. The three, along with a fourth arrested later, expected to kill a huge number of people with the blast — authorities later say as many as 30,000 might have died — which was to serve, incredibly, as a diversion for a simultaneous armored car robbery. Among the victims would have been children at a nearby school. All four plead guilty to conspiracy charges and are sentenced to terms of up to 20 years. Spence enters the Witness Protection Program. Carl Jay Waskom Jr. is released in June 2004. Shawn and Catherine Adams, a couple, are expected to be freed in 2006, and Edward Taylor Jr. in early 2007.
April 23, 1997
Florida police arrest Todd Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance’s Tampa unit and the shadowy League of the Silent Soldier, after he accidentally sets off pipe bombs he was building, blasting shrapnel into his own face. He is accused of plotting to use the bombs on the approach to Disney World to divert attention from a planned string of bank robberies. Vanbiber pleads guilty to weapons and explosives charges and is sentenced to more than six years in federal prison. He is released in 2002. Within two years, Vanbiber is posting messages on neo-Nazi Internet sites boasting that he has built over 300 bombs successfully and only made one error, and describing mass murderer Timothy McVeigh as a hero.
April 27, 1997
After a cache of explosives stored in a tree blows up near Yuba City, Calif., police arrest Montana Freemen supporter William Robert Goehler. Investigators looking into the blast arrest two Goehler associates, one of them a militia leader, after finding 500 pounds of petrogel explosives — enough to level three city blocks — in a motor home parked outside their residence. Six others are arrested on related charges. Goehler, with previous convictions for rape, burglary and assault, is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.
May 3, 1997
Antigovernment extremists set fire to the IRS office in Colorado Springs, Colo., causing $2.5 million in damage and injuring a firefighter. Federal agents later arrest five men in connection with the arson, which is conceived as a protest against the tax system. Ringleader James Cleaver, former national director of the antigovernment Sons of Liberty group, is eventually sentenced to 33 years in prison, while accomplice Jack Dowell is sentenced in a separate trial to serve 30 years. Both are ordered to pay $2.2 million in restitution. Dowell’s cousin is acquitted of all charges, while two other suspects, Ronald Sherman and Thomas Shafer, plead guilty to perjury charges in connection with the case.
… and so on

You have to go all the way back to 1995 to get in your list of “key right-wing plots of the last 10 years–”?
Oops. Sorry, I forgot to note that I was quoting that from a 2005 intelligence report because you claimed Obama and his appointees had something to do with recognizing far right extremists as a threat. But you forgot to answer my question as to whether you wanted more examples. Clearly you do…
2003
Jan. 8, 2003
Federal agents arrest Matt Hale, the national leader of the neo-Nazi World Church of the Creator (WCOTC), as he reports to a Chicago courthouse in an ongoing copyright case over the name of his group. Hale is charged with soliciting the murder of the federal judge in the case, Joan Humphrey Lefkow, who he has publicly vilified as someone bent on the destruction of his group. (Although Lefkow originally ruled in wcotc’s favor, an appeals court found that the complaint brought by an identically named church in Oregon was legally justified, and Lefkow reversed herself accordingly.) In guarded language captured on tape recordings, Hale is heard agreeing that his security chief, an FBI informant, should kill Lefkow. Hale is eventually found guilty and sentenced to serve 40 years in federal prison.
Jan. 18, 2003
James D. Brailey, a convicted felon who once was selected as “governor” of the state of Washington by the antigovernment Washington Jural Society, is arrested after a raid on his home turns up a machine gun, an assault rifle and several handguns. One informant tells the FBI that Brailey was plotting to assassinate Gov. Gary Locke, both because Locke was the state’s real governor and because he was Chinese-American. A second informant says that Brailey actually went on a “dry run” to Olympia, carrying several guns into the state Capitol building to test security. Eventually, Brailey pleads guilty to weapons charges and is sentenced to serve 15 months in prison. He is released in February 2004.
Feb. 13, 2003
Federal agents in Pennsylvania arrest David Wayne Hull, imperial wizard of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and an adherent of the anti-Semitic Christian Identity theology, alleging that Hull has arranged to buy hand grenades to blow up abortion clinics. The FBI says Hull also illegally instructed followers on how to build pipe bombs. In addition, Hull published a newsletter in which he urged readers to write Oklahoma bomber Tim McVeigh “to tell this great man goodbye.” Hull eventually is found guilty of weapons violations and sentenced to 12 years in federal prison.
April 3, 2003
Federal agents arrest antigovernment extremist David Roland Hinkson in Idaho and charge him with trying to hire an assassin on two occasions in 2002 and 2003 to murder a federal judge, a prosecutor and an IRS agent involved in a tax case against him. Hinkson, a businessman who earned millions of dollars from his Water Oz dietary supplement company but refused to pay almost $1 million in federal taxes, is convicted in 2004 of 26 counts related to the tax case. In early 2005, a federal jury finds him guilty in the assassination plot as well.
April 10, 2003
The FBI raids the Noonday, Texas, home of William Krar and storage facilities he rented in the area, discovering an arsenal that includes more than 500,000 rounds of ammunition, 65 pipe bombs and remote-control briefcase bombs, and almost two pounds of deadly sodium cyanide. Also found are components to convert the cyanide into a bomb capable of killing thousands, along with white supremacist and antigovernment material. Investigators soon learn Krar was stopped earlier in 2003 by police in Tennessee, who found in his car several weapons and coded documents that seemed to detail a plot. Krar refuses to cooperate, and details of that alleged plan are never learned. Eventually, he pleads guilty to possession of a chemical weapon and is sentenced to more than 11 years in prison.

For Huh? some more…
2000
March 9, 2000
Federal agents arrest Mark Wayne McCool, the one-time leader of the Texas Militia and Combined Action Program, as he allegedly makes plans to attack the Houston federal building. McCool, who was arrested after buying powerful C-4 plastic explosives and an automatic weapon from an undercover FBI agent, earlier plotted to attack the federal building with a member of his own group and a member of the antigovernment Republic of Texas, but those two men eventually abandoned the plot. McCool, however, remained convinced the un had stored a cache of military materiel in the building. In the end, he pleads guilty to federal charges that bring him just six months in jail.
April 28, 2000
Immigration attorney Richard Baumhammers, himself the son of Latvian immigrants, goes on a rampage in the Pittsburgh area against non-whites, killing five people and critically wounding a sixth. Baumhammers had recently started a tiny white supremacist group, the Free Market Party, that demanded an end to non-white immigration into the United States. In the end, the unemployed attorney, who was living with parents at the time of his murder spree, is sentenced to death for targeting his victims because of their race.
2001
March 1, 2001
As part of an ongoing probe into a white supremacist group, federal and local law enforcement agents raid the Corbett, Ore., home of Fritz Springmeier, seizing equipment to grow marijuana and weapons and racist literature. They also find a binder notebook entitled “Army of God, Yahweh’s Warriors” that contains what officials call a list of targets, including a local federal building and the FBI’s Oregon offices. Springmeier, an associate of the anti-Semitic Christian Patriots Association, is eventually charged with setting off a diversionary bomb at an adult video store in Damascus, Ore., in 1997 as part of a bank robbery carried out by accomplice Forrest Bateman Jr. Another 2001 raid finds small amounts of bomb materials and marijuana in Bateman’s home. Eventually, Bateman pleads guilty to bank robbery and Springmeier is convicted of the same charges, and both are sentenced to nine years.
April 19, 2001
White supremacists Leo Felton and girlfriend Erica Chase are arrested following a foot chase that began when a police officer spotted them trying to pass counterfeit bills at a Boston donut shop. Investigators quickly learn Felton heads up a tiny group called Aryan Unit One, and that Chase and Felton, who had already obtained a timing device, planned to blow up black and Jewish landmarks and possibly assassinate black and Jewish leaders. They also learn another amazing fact: Felton, a self-described Aryan, is secretly biracial. Felton and Chase are eventually convicted of conspiracy, weapons violations and obstruction, and Felton is also convicted of bank robbery and other charges. Felton, who previously served 11 years for assaulting a black taxi driver, is sentenced to serve more than 21 years in federal prison, while his one-time sweetheart draws a lesser term.
Oct. 14, 2001
A North Carolina sheriff’s deputy pulls over Steve Anderson, a former “colonel” in the Kentucky Militia, on a routine traffic stop as he heads home to Kentucky from a white supremacist gathering in North Carolina. Anderson, who has issued violent threats against officials for months via an illegal pirate radio station and is an adherent of racist Christian Identity theology, pulls out a semi-automatic weapon and peppers the deputy’s car with bullets before driving his truck into the woods and disappearing for 13 months. Officials later find six pipe bombs in Anderson’s abandoned truck and 27 bombs and destructive devices in his home. In the end, Anderson apologizes for his actions and pleads guilty. He is sentenced on a variety of firearms charges to 15 years in federal prison.
Dec. 5, 2001
Anti-abortion extremist Clayton Lee Wagner, who nine months earlier escaped from an Illinois jail while awaiting sentencing on weapons and carjacking charges, is arrested in Cincinnati, Ohio. Wagner’s odyssey began in September 1999, when he was stopped driving a stolen camper in Illinois and told police he was headed to Seattle to murder an abortion provider. He escaped in February 2001 and, while on the lam, mailed more than 550 hoax anthrax letters to abortion clinics and posted an Internet threat warning abortion clinic workers that “if you work for the murderous abortionist, I’m going to kill you.” Wagner is eventually sentenced to 30 years on the Illinois charges, including his escape. In Ohio, he is sentenced to almost 20 years more, to be served consecutively, on various weapons and car theft charges related to his time on the run. In late 2003, he also is found guilty of 51 federal terror charges, but his sentencing is deferred.
Dec. 11, 2001
Jewish Defense League chairman Irving David Rubin and a follower, Earl Leslie Krugel, are arrested in California and charged with conspiring to bomb the offices of U.S. Rep. Darrel Issa (R-Calif.) and the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City. Authorities say a confidential informant taped meetings with the two in which the bombings were discussed and Krugel said the jdl needed “to do something to one of their filthy mosques.” Rubin later commits suicide in prison, officials say, just before he is to go on trial in late 2002. Krugel pleads guilty to conspiracy in both plots, and testifies that Rubin conspired with him. Krugel faces a mandatory 10-year sentence, and could receive up to life in federal prison.
2002
Jan. 4, 2002
Neo-Nazi National Alliance member Michael Edward Smith is arrested after a car chase in Nashville, Tenn., that began when he was spotted sitting in a car with a semi-automatic rifle pointed at Sherith Israel Pre-School, run by a local synagogue. In Smith’s car, home and storage unit, officials find an arsenal that includes a .50-caliber rifle, 10 hand grenades, 13 pipe bombs, binary explosives, semi-automatic pistols, ammunition and an array of military manuals. They also find teenage porn on Smith’s computer and evidence that he carried out computer searches for Jewish schools and synagogues. In one of his e-mails, Smith wrote that Jews “perhaps” should be “stuffed head fIRSt into an oven.” In the end, Smith is sentenced on weapons and explosives charges to more than 10 years in prison.
Feb. 8, 2002
The leader of a militia-like group known as Project 7 and his girlfriend are arrested after an informant tells police the group is plotting to kill judges and law enforcement officers in order to kick off a revolution. David Burgert, who has a record for burglary and is already wanted for assaulting police officers, is found in the house of girlfriend Tracy Brockway along with an arsenal that includes pipe bombs and 25,000 rounds of ammunition. Also found are “intel sheets” with personal information about law enforcement officers, their spouses and children. Although officials are convinced the Project 7 plot was real, Burgert ultimately is convicted only of weapons charges and draws a seven-year sentence; six others are also convicted of or plead guilty to weapons charges. Brockway gets a suspended sentence for harboring a fugitive.
July 19, 2002
Acting on a tip, federal and local law enforcement agents arrest North Carolina Klan leader Charles Robert Barefoot Jr. for his role in an alleged plot to blow up the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office, the sheriff himself and the county jail. Officers find more than two dozen weapons in Barefoot’s home. They also find bombs and bomb components in the home of Barefoot’s son, Daniel Barefoot, who is charged that same day with the arson of a school bus and an empty barn. The elder Barefoot — who broke away from the National Knights of the KKK several months earlier to form his own harder-line group, the Nation’s Knights of the KKK — is charged with weapons violations and later sentenced to more than two years. In 2003, Barefoot’s wife and three men are charged with the murder of a former associate. Police say the murder may have been related to the alleged bombing plot.
Aug. 22, 2002
Tampa area podiatrist Robert J. Goldstein is arrested after police, called by Goldstein’s wife after he allegedly threatened to kill her, find more than 15 explosive devices in their home, along with materials to make at least 30 more. Also found are homemade C-4 plastic explosives, grenades and mines, a .50-caliber rifle, semi-automatic weapons, and a list of 50 Islamic worship centers in the area. The most significant discovery is a three-page plan detailing plans to “kill all ‘rags’” at the Islamic Society of Pinellas County. Eventually, two other local men are also charged in connection with the plot, and Goldstein’s wife is arrested for possessing illegal destructive devices. In the end, Goldstein pleads guilty to plotting to blow up the Islamic Society and is sentenced to more than 12 years in federal prison.
Oct. 3, 2002
Officials close in on long-time antigovernment extremist Larry Raugust at a rest stop in Idaho, arrest him and charge him with 16 counts of making and possessing destructive devices, including pipe bombs and pressure-detonated booby traps. He is accused of giving one explosive device to an undercover agent, and is also named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a plot with colleagues in the Idaho Mountain Boys militia to murder a federal judge and a police officer, and to break a friend out of jail. A deadbeat dad, Raugust is also accused of helping plant land mines on property belonging to a friend whose land was seized by authorities over unpaid taxes. He eventually pleads guilty to 15 counts of making bombs and is sentenced to federal prison. Raugust is expected to be released in 2008.

Human Life International has documented more than 8,519 acts of violence and illegal activities by pro-abortionists.
Posted by: Huh? | Nov 11, 2009 1:09:45 AM
290 drug crimes?
1,908 sex crimes (including 250 rapes)?
They documented ‘drug crimes’ committed by pro-abortionists and ‘rapes’ committed by pro-abortionists?
And they found 1,251 homicides and “other killings” committed by pro-abortionists. Unbelievable.
This sounds absolutely bogus.
“Drug crimes” by pro-abortionists – what is that? Shooting up anti-abortion protesters with heroin? And rapes, what is that? Pro-abortionists showing up at anti-abortion rallies and raping the participants.

“Springfield, IL (September 29, 2006) — The cases of a Maine couple charged with abducting their pregnant daughter in an attempt to force her to have an abortion and a Georgia woman accused of forcing her pregnant daughter to drink turpentine are just part of an epidemic of coerced and forced abortions in the U.S., a leading researcher says.”
“Elliot Institute Director Dr. David Reardon co-authored a Medical Science Monitor study of American and Russian women which found that 64 percent of American women who had abortions reported that they felt pressured to abort by others.”
Sick.

“right wing conservatism”
Oops. That was a typo– let me correct that. I meant “conservative myths about right wing domestic terrorism”

Southern Poverty Law Center: Several white supremacists have been arrested while allegedly plotting to kill
Obama, and following the election he received more threats than any previous
president-elect. Scores of racially-charged incidents – beatings, effigy
burnings, racist graffiti, threats and intimidation – were reported across the
country after the election.
Extremists are also exploiting the economic crisis, spreading propaganda that
blames minorities and immigrants for the subprime mortgage meltdown. Tough
economic times historically provide fertile ground for extremist movements.
As this issue points out, minority-bashing propaganda can spread rapidly
through the media, even when it has no basis in fact. The issue examines the
widespread media reporting of a false claim that undocumented immigrants held
5 million bad mortgages and were, therefore, responsible for the subprime
mortgage crisis.
The hate groups listed in this issue include neo-Nazis, white nationalists,
neo-Confederates, racist skinheads, Klansmen and black separatists. Other
groups target gays or immigrants, and some specialize in producing racist
music or propaganda denying the Holocaust.

Rachel Maddow: We begin tonight with another deadly act of domestic terrorism. The first time a doctor was murdered by the modern anti-abortion terrorist movement in America was March 1993. Anti-abortion demonstrators were protesting at a clinic in Pensacola, Florida. As Dr. David Gunn arrived at a clinic, a young man named Michael Griffin shot Dr. Gunn several times in the chest with a snub-nose .38 revolver.
Michael Griffin, the killer, became a cause celebre among anti-abortion extremists. He was associated with the group called Rescue America, which said after Griffin killed Dr. Gunn that while they did not condone the killing, they didn‘t condemn it either.
Five months after Dr. David Gunn was killed, another doctor, George Tiller—yes, the same Dr. Tiller from today‘s headlines—was shot by a woman named Shelly Shannon. Shannon had written letters of support for Michael Griffin, who killed Dr. David Gunn. She called him a hero.

Compare and contrast the media’s reaction to the Tiller murder and to Nasan’s murder.
All religious and conservatives were smeared gleefully for weeks by hyper-partisans like Maddow.
Meanwhile, Nasan goes on a rampage and the media is bending over backwards trying to pin the blame on Bush with this “pre-Post Traumatic Stress Disorder” BS.
Liberalism is not just a mental disorder, it’s a dangerous one.
This is Obama’s Army Chief of Staff:
“I’ve asked our Army leaders to be on the lookout for that,” General Casey said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union. “It would be a shame — as great a tragedy as this was — it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well.”
Liberals are more concerned about “diversity” then the tragic loss of life or the potential threat of future violence.
Compare and contrast this to the media’s handling of Tiller.
It’s pure insanity.

Okay, so back to the speech, the topic of the blog post. I like this quote.
John Dickerson: President Obama’s speech at Fort Hood, Texas, was a small masterpiece—less than 15 minutes—in part because it was so modest. The president had great material and he knew not to get in its way.
Less than three minutes into the speech, the president was telling the story of each of the 13 people who had died. The news has been full of every last detail about the shooter. Obama corrected that balance. If the shooter committed the ultimate act of selfishness, then the president took it as his task to bear witness to the selflessness and hard work of the shooter’s victims.

Holy cow, talk about swatting a fly with a sledgehammer there Allycat. It’s not like anyone is listening to Huh?. Let him limp off already.
Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 11, 2009 2:23:07 AM
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Sorry. Sometimes there’s that one fly that happens to be buzzing nearby your hand when a sledgehammer’s at the ready and you’ve been feeling very pestered by an infestation of flies.

Obama’s first response to Nasan’s rampage:
“Please, everybody, have a seat. Let me first of all just thank Ken and the entire Department of the Interior staff for organizing just an extraordinary conference.”
Huh? | Nov 11, 2009 2:31:30 AM
You mean the President finished closing the conference he was attending prior to respectfully addressing the tragedy with the dedicated and respectful comments it merited? Shocking, simply shocking. You’d almost believe Obama is capable of doing more than one thing at a time.

why oh why is it okay for obama to finish closing out his confrence, give shout outs and have a laugh before addressing the fort hood incident but bad for bush to finish his story with children, so not to panic them, when 9/11 happened? Also, yes obama gave a great speech, thats what he does best but did he write it? NO! Did he actually get the stories about each soldier himself? NO! Stop acting like he did something great. He gave a speech and paid respect to the fallen just like any president would do. Too bad he had to wait until the cameras were on before he did it. Could he even take the time to call the families before the memorial? once again the answer is a resounding NO! In other words he was doing his job, nothing more, nothing amazing, nothing note worthy. If you want to praise someone praise his speech writer or his acting coach. Both deserve it!

I do not agree with President Obama’s policies.

You may want to read Pope John Paul II’s book, ‘Love and Responsibility’ …
Posted by: Tom | Nov 11, 2009 11:29:11 AM
Tom, I married into a very catholic family and I’m raising my kids catholic so I know what you’re trying to get at, but there are orthodox catholics and there are extremists. It might be helpful for you to do a little research on John Salvi and HLI. Tierra was talking about a particular group, one mentioned in a report issued by the Anti-Defamation League, declaring that “a strain of antisemitism” had surfaced in the extreme fringes of the right-to-life movement. Human Life International is a Virginia-based group which, according to the report, “has singled out Jews as disproportionately responsible for, even controlling the abortion rights movement.”
See also John Salvi.

Who is John Salvi? This name is so obscure and foreign to anything remotely connected to the pro-life movement or Catholicism that it is a massive stretch to try to lump him together with Roman Catholicism.
There seems to be insinuations that the Pope and Catholicism is fueling ‘extremism’. The only thing being fueled of late is anti-Catholicism. Are we going to see ancient Rome style persecutions of the Church in the near future? Is America paving the way for intolerance of Catholicism and its subsequent persecution? This is the question we should be asking. How is radical liberalism ushering in prejudice and discrimination against Catholics?
How many Catholic religious around the world have been murdered, jailed, assaulted, and kidnapped because they represented Catholicism? Are we not far behind them? Take China for example – the Roman Catholic Church there is persecuted by the Government itself – not individuals, but by the National System. Are we far behind China?

I meant like you. sorry

Posted by: Tom | Nov 11, 2009 12:53:01 PM
I’ll give it one more stab. The group is considered not just orthodox but “highly orthodox” or “very orthodox” by many,including moderate and liberal catholics. Yes, the pope has endorsed orthodoxy as part of catholicism and not outside it– but do you support all the statements and materials that HLI distributes, or all the rhetoric the founder has espoused? Do you not consider some of it extreme? Do you not find some of the materials and statistics representative of a very orthodox POV? Or do you really consider it mainstream within American catholicism?
The analogy to conservatism is considering the John Bircher society to represent mainstream American conservativism.
If that’s where you’re at, that’s fine and on you. That would illustrate to me that your viewpoint is extremely right and, perhaps, somewhat given to conspiracy theories and feelings of being misunderstood and/or persecuted. When I say that about you, or particular groups, I am not saying that about catholicism or conservatism as a whole, no matter how you distort it.
As a source, I consider information from both groups– HLI and the John Bircher society– biased in favor of their very conservative outlook.
I think the HLI is a more biased source than a law school or an intelligence report.
I think this kind of statement– “The only thing being fueled of late is anti-Catholicism” is ridiculous– The ONLY thing being fueled in the world is that?

alley
What is your definition of orthodox? You obviously have some threshold definitions that you are using a foundation. What is a devout Catholic as opposed to a moderate?

‘Only thing being fueled’ – okay, petroleum, coal, solar, wind, do you really need me to go through this? I think you know that I’m talking about – the acceptable prejudice of the day . . . anti-Catholicism.
This isn’t ‘paranoia’. As a Catholic yourself, you may want to read about it: Phillip Jenkins and Mark Massa’s books The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice and Anti-Catholicism in America: The Last Acceptable Prejudice. An excerpt from Jenkins book reads: “In the 1920′s anti-Catholic politics again stimulated a mass movement in the form of the second Ku Klux Klan, which in the northern and western states was at least as concerned with keeping the Catholics in their place as with repressing blacks and Jews. For the Klan Catholicism represented “Alienism”. . . One of the Klan’s major goals was to combat “the great amount of Roman Catholic propaganda being disseminated through the medium of Press, the stage and the movies.”

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 43% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent. Republicans have held the lead for over four months now
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“Republicans have held the lead for over four months now”.
Strange, the Republicans just lost BOTH Congressional elections held last week. I guess your Rasmussen is just way off.
Or maybe voters are smarter than you think.

“It was within the past few years that intelligence agencies in the U.S. determined right wing extremists are the biggest terrorist threats in the country.”
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It was a Homeland Security report dearie.