President Obama Tells Chinese Students Unrestricted Internet Access Makes the U.S. Stronger, Free Speech Makes Him a Better Leader
From Jake Tapper/ Yunji de Nies/ Stephanie Smith/ Sunlen Miller/ Karen Travers/ Jon Garcia/ Ann Compton
SHANGHAI, CHINA — At the Museum of Science and Technology Monday afternoon, President Obama took questions from a docile audience of more than 400 Chinese university students handpicked by officials of eight different Chinese universities.
Most of the questions were gushing and fairly unchallenging, but an interesting one came via the U.S. Embassy website, read by U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman.
"In a country with 350 million Internet users and 60 million bloggers, do you know of the firewall?" Huntsman asked. "And second, 'Should we be able to use Twitter freely?'"
Communist Censors prevent Chinese citizens from accessing many websites, including social network sites such as Facebook and Twitter, as well as news sites.
Whether or not the president had been expecting that precise question, he reacted like someone who had something he wanted to say.
"I have never used Twitter," the president said. "My thumbs are too clumsy to type in things on the phone. But I am a big believer in technology and I'm a big believer in openness when it comes to the flow of information. I think that the more freely information flows, the stronger the society becomes, because then citizens of countries around the world can hold their own governments accountable. They can begin to think for themselves. That generates new ideas. It encourages creativity."
The president said he's "always been a strong supporter of open Internet use. I'm a big supporter of non-censorship. This is part of the tradition of the United States that I discussed before, and I recognize that different countries have different traditions. I can tell you that in the United States, the fact that we have…unrestricted Internet access is a source of strength, and I think should be encouraged."
Seemingly making an attempt at humor that didn't necessarily translate well into Mandarin, Mr. Obama said that "I should be honest, as President of the United States, there are times where I wish information didn't flow so freely because then I wouldn't have to listen to people criticizing me all the time."
He then turned to a more serious point, saying, "I think people naturally,…when they're in positions of power sometimes think, 'Oh, how could that person say that about me,' or 'That's irresponsible.'…But the truth is that because in the United States information is free, and I have a lot of critics in the United States who can say all kinds of things about me, I actually think that that makes our democracy stronger and it makes me a better leader because it forces me to hear opinions that I don't want to hear. It forces me to examine what I'm doing on a day-to-day basis to see, am I really doing the very best that I could be doing for the people of the United States."
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Thank you for the update on this. You folks always have the best White House coverage. Just my .02: while many ASEAN countries (especially Singapore), and even communist China, seem to have an understanding on the importance of economic freedom, they fall way behind the West in allowing freedom of the press and uncensored internet access. This is a good message from America to bring across the Pacific. Now if only Obama would listen to Asia and stop wasting so much money and ruining dollar. That would be a good two-way conversation where both regions could learn from each other.
Posted by: Nixon | November 16, 2009, 5:10 am 5:10 am
I wonder if Obama really believes in our 1st Amendment rights, and likes being challenged, when his administration has suggested to the Press that they “ought not to do what Fox News does”. Maybe the Chinese didn’t know he was being hypocritical because of their own leader’s suppression of free speech.
Posted by: TDK | November 16, 2009, 5:44 am 5:44 am
He believes in free speech unless you are saying something he doesn’t like, something bad about him, or if you’re FOX news…then not so much
Posted by: samhiguchi | November 16, 2009, 6:21 am 6:21 am
I envision Obama reading the Political Punch comment thread every night before he goes to sleep.
Its so enlightening down here.
Posted by: Fox News Light | November 16, 2009, 6:30 am 6:30 am
Barack Obama pushes for freedom of expression in China. The Chinese government should come to the United States and push for freedom of expression as well. Lou Dobbs had to resign (CNN) because he was expressing his views. Is that freedom of expression? Tell me Barack Obama, is that freedom of expression (when Lou Dobbs cannot express his point of views)? I am going to be so happy when Barack Obama is removed from office in 2012.
Posted by: Lesly | November 16, 2009, 7:01 am 7:01 am
Obama giving advice to any other country is a joke. He is probably in China to borrow more money !!!
Posted by: cw | November 16, 2009, 7:03 am 7:03 am
The Dems already face annihilation in 2010-
They can’t pass ObamaCare with abortion OR a public option- and reconciliation is just an empty threat, the remaining legislation would be a hollow shell-
And Cap-n-tax? With the evidence looking weak lately, Obama’s own #s tanking… and 11% unemployment? Good luck!
That leaves the only major legislation enacted -even with Democrats dominating Congress- the wholly-ineffective Porkulus. Obama has NO political cover on that one, due to the paucity of GOP collaborators- he owns it. And all it will ever stimulate is inflation… in the months leading right-up to midterms.
The Democrats look to face a bloodbath next fall, with some already predicting a 100 seat loss.
And by 2012? People will wince at the very mention of the name “Obama”- and the GOP could take 40 states running Gilbert Gottfried- LOL
Party’s over kiddies- time to put the grown-ups back in charge…
Posted by: Reaganite Republican | November 16, 2009, 7:39 am 7:39 am
Obama says “Free Speech Makes Him a Better Leader…”
LOL!!!
Yeah, well, first, you’re aren’t a “leader” in any sense of the word, so “better” is relative to zero.
Second, about that “free speech” part… you mean the people your Inner Circle refer to as “tea-baggers” and “anti-Americans?”
Or is that “free speech” related to the closed-door sessions where Pelosi and her minions hammered out a secret health care program, negotiating in bad faith??
What a MORON!!!
Posted by: Laughin__ALL_The_Way | November 16, 2009, 7:50 am 7:50 am
Posted by: samhiguchi | Nov 16, 2009 6:21:28 AM & TDK | Nov 16, 2009 5:44:19 AM… I find it amusing you consider Fox News a reliable source of accurate information, the majority of their shows are strictly opinioned commentaries, bias and non-objective in views and reporting, so to consider Fox News a reliable source of information is definitely a stretch of your imagination. Actually, Fox News is very comical in their approach and entertaining at best like a tabloid. Also, let me remind you during the previous Administrations (Bush/Cheney) reign of terror if you spoke against their policies & views people were labeled unpatriotic, un-American and in Joseph C. Wilson case your wife’s CIA position COMPROMSIED!!
Posted by: Martin | November 16, 2009, 7:51 am 7:51 am
Martin – You said “I find it amusing you consider Fox News a reliable source of accurate information, the majority of their shows are strictly opinioned commentaries, bias and non-objective in views and reporting, so to consider Fox News a reliable source of information is definitely a stretch of your imagination.”
What’s REALLY funny is that you don’t think YOUR news sources are JUST as unreliable. I guess because they report the “facts” the way you have presupposed them, so they must be true.
IGNORANCE IS BLISS… and you must be feeling pretty blissful right now.
Get ready, you have only 351 more days to feel this way, from then on, it’s going to get UGLY!
Posted by: Laughin__ALL_The_Way | November 16, 2009, 7:56 am 7:56 am
This is hilarious. Mark Lloyd, obama’s FCC diversity czar, is pro-Hugo Chavez. Chavez shut down television/radio stations that didn’t agree with him. Lloyd is against free speech; obama gave Lloyd the czar job. obama does not believe in free speech. He tried to close down rush, beck (remember van jones, color of change boycotting his advertisers?), fox news channel. obama is a liar and hypocrit.
Posted by: Jenny | November 16, 2009, 8:19 am 8:19 am
Obama means “free” in the Venezuelan sense of “free.”
Posted by: drjohn | November 16, 2009, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Free speech, Some one should have stood up and shouted You Lie! Of course if they did they would be shot in China,that is the kind of Free Speech comrade Obama believes in and is trying to bring to America. Fox news just keep reporting the facts,keep up the good work.
Posted by: Johnny L | November 16, 2009, 8:57 am 8:57 am
To all the Obama haters, honestly, isn’t it a good thing our President talked about the importance of information flowing freely to keep things honest and people informed?
As for Fox news, they seriously don’t report the news accurately. Yes, other news stations are guilty of cherry-picking which stories they will cover but Fox not only shows only stories that give the same view, ie.dems and liberals are evil and dangerous, they give opinions as if they are factual information, they ignore the strong facts that refute those opinions and will base an entire idea on obscure, irrelevant data and ‘experts.’ Sometimes the conclusions they draw are so wrong they are laughably silly.
Personally, I don’t like the idea that I am being manipulated by any corporate entity.
Posted by: Lydia | November 16, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am
After doing his best to marginalize FOX News and to pre-screen questions I find his comments shocking. The press,with few exceptions,has bent over backwards to avoid asking serious questions about his past, his education records,his health records,his associations with unsavory characters, his stupid comments about Gandhi,the Medal of Honor,the Austrian language and World War II.The have given little coverage about his truly stupid subservience to the Emperor of Japan.If the press just reported the news this man would be seen by the public as the empty suit that he realy is.
Posted by: Nephron | November 16, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Lydia,at least FOX reports the news.NBC,MSNBC,CNN,CBS and ABC repeatedly ignore truly occuring events that may be injurious to Mr. Obama.It is editorial censorship at its worst.
Posted by: Nephron | November 16, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am
The man is laughable. And so are those who take him seriously.
Has Obama forgotten that he sent out Anita Dunn, Axelrod, Rahm to attack Fox News. Why? because Obama cannot handle criticism.
He’s all for free speech if it paints a pretty picture of him–which most of the media does.
What a joke he is.
Posted by: riley | November 16, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Obama’s delusions continue.
Is he talking about how his administration tried to convince Cnn, ABC, other news outlets to not be like Fox.
In other words–don’t report the truth about my administration.
That’s Obama’s meaning of Free Speech.
Posted by: kyle | November 16, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Obama believes in free speech and non-censorship?
That explains his appointment of Mark Lloyd–who seems to adore Hugo Chavez’s style of media blackout.
The sad thing is most Americans are uninformed and are buying Obama’s lies.
Obama wants to keep us uninformed that’s why he hates Fox.
Posted by: millie | November 16, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Only if the free speech is coming from those in the tank for obama. Which includes all of the MSM.
I guess that tough question about “what he finds enchanting” has really toughened him up.
Posted by: mick | November 16, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Compare Obama’s words to his actions.
Completely opposite.
Posted by: Huh? | November 16, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Obama’s actions speak louder than his words.
Appointing Anita Dunn, her husband Robert Bauer (Obama’s personal lawyer-questioned in the Blagojevitch affair and representing Obama in the Birth certificate lawsuits and other matters and now WH chief counsel), and letting Axelrod and Emanuel run roughshod over the country, threatening and deriding the press and regular American citizens.
Posted by: Sumbawa | November 16, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 28% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
I’m sorry …. did the President actually defend something about the United States on foreign soil???? Never thought I’d see the day. A first for everything I guess. Imagine that – Obama defending one of the core pillars of American society. What’s next, embracing Capitalism? One can only hope!
Posted by: Obama, the second coming | November 16, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
The President is an Internationalist, and he continues to show it on this visit to ASEAN, lowering the U.S. to the status of a ‘non-aligned’ nation (like Cuba).
When you have George Soros, Zig B and the Goldman $achs boys for friends, who needs enemies?
The apology tour continues.
Posted by: J House | November 16, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
As for Fox news, they seriously don’t report the news accurately. … they ignore the strong facts that refute those opinions
Posted by: Lydia | Nov 16, 2009 9:05:20 AM
I just watched Fox report on the KSM trial. Katherine Herridge reporting. Both pro and con sides were given with video of people interviewed to back it up.
Are they perfect? No. Are they balanced? Much more than the others.
Your bias is showing, not Fox.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
So that`s why Obama has put Fox News basically off limits. Freedom of speech.
LOL.
Posted by: Candy | November 16, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
And Obama’s detachment from reality goes on.
When he can no longer dupe the majority of Americans he tries it in foreign countries.
Foreign leaders are on to him.
The students will wake up eventually.
One place Obama is always welcome–Wall Street.
Posted by: ollie | November 16, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am
NEW YORK — A year ago, the financial system was tottering and government officials arranged a $2.3 billion emergency cash infusion into CIT Group, a troubled lender to small businesses.
Today, CIT is in bankruptcy court, and the taxpayers’ investment is on the brink of being wiped out. It would be the largest loss so far from the government’s massive rescue of the financial system, but it isn’t likely to be the last.
Officials poured about $700 billion into investments in scores of companies, from giants such as the automaker General Motors and the insurer American International Group to smaller regional banks. Of them, 46 had missed required dividend payments to the government as of the end of September, according to the inspector general overseeing the program.
On Nov. 6, United Commercial Bank of San Francisco failed, becoming the first recipient of the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP, to collapse. The cost to taxpayers: $299 million.
Analysts expect more bailed-out firms to fail in the months ahead.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
The Chinese students were giggling a lot. Were they passing around a picture of Obama’s bow to Emperor Akahito?
Free speech! No censorship!
Posted by: larry | November 16, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
For the third day in a row, Rasmussen* has Obama’s job approval with a +1 positive spread: 50% approve, 49% disapprove. Last time Rasmussen* showed a positive approval spread was more than a month ago. And, for the time being, Rasmussen* has joined virtually every other major pollster in giving the President a positive job approval spread. Obama haters can take solace in the +1 spread still being way out of range on the current RCP list of pollsters; +9 is the next lowest spread.
*Choice pollster of conservatives
Posted by: Numeros | November 16, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
On the one hand, it is nice to see President Obama give support to press/internet freedom while in China.
On the other hand, I wish he listened to himself more about listening to criticism. His White House (including the WH blog) is pretty blistering toward critics.
Posted by: MayBee | November 16, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Personally, I don’t like the idea that I am being manipulated by any corporate entity.
Posted by: Lydia | Nov 16, 2009 9:05:20 AM
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Then you probably aren’t able to watch NBC or MSNBC. You wouldn’t want to be manipulated by GE now would you?
Posted by: Jenny | November 16, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
“Then you probably aren’t able to watch NBC or MSNBC. You wouldn’t want to be manipulated by GE now would you?”
Exactly. It’s what we’ve been saying all along. Since almost all news media is owned by large corporations it’s a dubious claim that most of them would have a liberal-bias. What could account for it? -massive anchor-room insubordination?
Posted by: Skip | November 16, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Did Obama and Hu take questions today after their meeting?
Posted by: MayBee | November 16, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
That’s amusing, since he was trying to shut up Fox News.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 16, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
What could account for it? -massive anchor-room insubordination?
Posted by: Skip | Nov 16, 2009 12:00:55 PM
Ha! Remember the Republicans’ “sit in” last year to try to force a vote about domestic drilling? Oh please relate to me the networks that covered it. NBC? ABC? CBS?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
You won’t hear Obama tell the Chinese students how he encouraged people to rat out their neighbors–just because he didn’t like what was said about his administration.
The message was clear. Watch what you say or your email will be sent to a government website.
Clearly intimidation not encouraging free speech. Obama is dishonest to the core.
Posted by: bailey | November 16, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Wonder if the students in China noticed how Obama basically ignored the Iranian protesters fighting for their free speech.
Posted by: cal | November 16, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Wonder if the students in China noticed how Obama basically ignored the Iranian protesters fighting for their free speech.
Posted by: cal | November 16, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
There is a huge disconnect between who Obama pretends to be and who he actually is.
All this big talk about welcoming opposing opinions does not hold water.
Based on the way he handled Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Tea Party, townhall protesters–Obama in reality is petty and thin-skinned.
He probably sleeps with a blankie and sucks his thumb every night.
Posted by: hank | November 16, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
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Mr President – YOU LIE
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You hate any free speech that criticizes you. You want to muzzle Fox News and all conservative media outlets – just like a dictator would
Posted by: N Waff | November 16, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Based on the way he handled Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Tea Party, townhall protesters–Obama in reality is petty and thin-skinned.
He probably sleeps with a blankie and sucks his thumb every night.
hank | Nov 16, 2009 12:52:49 PM
You mean the way that he took absolutely no action against them (no IRS audits, no threats of legislation, no investigations of licenses, no threats of slander lawsuits, no shaded accusations of treason, etc)? Seems like all he did was exercise his right to free speech too, which is exactly in line with what he has said.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 16, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
“Then you probably aren’t able to watch NBC or MSNBC. You wouldn’t want to be manipulated by GE now would you?”
ROFLMAO!
From one of the right wing’s biggest parrots!
Projection, its what’s for dinner.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
“That’s amusing, since he was trying to shut up Fox News.”
How did he try to shut up FoxNews?
Besides telling the truth about it being an organ of right wing propaganda.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
The message was clear. Watch what you say or your email will be sent to a government website.
Clearly intimidation not encouraging free speech. Obama is dishonest to the core.
bailey | Nov 16, 2009 12:44:46 PM
You are intimidated by the threat of being called out on blatant lies? I guess I can see how that would scare Republicans. And what exactly was the threat? That you would be banned from government jobs based on political affiliation, as illegally done by the Justice department under Bush? That the IRS would get you, as has not been done in a generation? That you’d be collected by black helicopters and locked up in FEMA internment camps?
I’m just curious if you’ve spun this fantasy into at least some internally consistent form.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 16, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
The message was clear. Watch what you say or your email will be sent to a government website.
Clearly intimidation not encouraging free speech. Obama is dishonest to the core.
bailey | Nov 16, 2009 12:44:46 PM
You are intimidated by the threat of being called out on blatant lies? I guess I can see how that would scare Republicans. And what exactly was the threat? That you would be banned from government jobs based on political affiliation, as illegally done by the Justice department under Bush? That the IRS would get you, as has not been done in a generation? That you’d be collected by black helicopters and locked up in FEMA internment camps?
I’m just curious if you’ve spun this fantasy into at least some internally consistent form.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 16, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Going to war with Fox.
Sounds just like Chavez.
How long before Obama demands that we restrict showers to 3 minutes.
Or demands us to lose weight.
There’s a reason why the Chinese like Obama and sell Oba mao merchandise.
Posted by: mick | November 16, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Going to war with Fox.
Sounds just like Chavez.
How long before Obama demands that we restrict showers to 3 minutes.
Or demands us to lose weight.”
It should be noted that when it came out that the Bush admin was wiretapping Americans(a policy Obama has wrongheadedly continued), the right wing’s refrain was “If you’re not doing anything you should not be worried about being spied on”.
See the right wing doesn’t care about all of us having rights, just their rights.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
What blatant lies on FOX? Specifics please.
Posted by: Nephron | November 16, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
“What blatant lies on FOX? Specifics please.”
Just last week Hannity spliced footage from the 9/12 rallies with the health care rally to make it seem much larger.
He claimed it was a mistake after Jon Stewart completely embarassed him by exposing the lie.
Then there were the multitude of lies they have spread dealing with Ken Jennings, the gay man they hate who Obama appointed to be in the Dept of Education.
Those lies include that he condoned statutory rape when the student did not have sex and was of age regardless.
That’s just off the top of my head and within the last couple of weeks.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Just watched the Atlantis shuttle take off.
Call me when Chavez or the Castro Bros. send off their first shuttle, comrades.
Socialism stinks!
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Seems the Chinese censored Obama. What a fool.
Posted by: used2BFree | November 16, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
WASHINGTON (AP) – It’s the cost, Mr. President.
Americans are worried about hidden costs in the fine print of health care overhaul legislation, an Associated Press poll says. That’s creating new challenges for President Barack Obama as he tries to close the deal with a handful of Democratic doubters in the Senate.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
The Obama administration, under fire for inflating job growth from the $787 billion stimulus plan, slashed over 60,000 jobs from its most recent report on the program because the reporting outlets had submitted “unrealistic data,” according to a document obtained by ABC News.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Just last week Hannity spliced footage from the 9/12 rallies with the health care rally to make it seem much larger.
He claimed it was a mistake after Jon Stewart completely embarassed him by exposing the lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | Nov 16, 2009 2:18:25 PM
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He apologized, gave his reason for the error and some conservative blogs ran the story, as they should have. For example, on the Moderate Voice:
“All the defenders of the “needed counterbalance” should be feeling a bit silly today, but I’m not holding my breath to see if they will take Fox to task for it.
“UPDATE: As usual, my predictive powers are kaput and Ed at Hot Air gave full coverage to this story with no apologies offered for Fox’s performance on this one.”
Would Olbermann or Matthews do the same on MSNBC? Would the Daily Kos?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
But don’t worrty, they’ll get your healthcare just right:
“WASHINGTON – More than 15 million taxpayers could unexpectedly owe taxes when they file their federal returns next spring because the government was too generous with their new Making Work Pay tax credit.
“Taxpayers are at risk if they have more than one job, are married and both spouses work, or receive Social Security benefits while also earning taxable wages, according to a report Monday by the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration.
“The tax credit, which is supposed to pay individuals up to $400 and couples up to $800, was President Barack Obama’s signature tax break in the massive stimulus package enacted in February.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 28% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Remember when Fascist hyena parroted the right wing talking point that Obama had killed auto sales for the rest of the year with Cash for Clunkers?
AP: “For October, auto sales jumped 7.4 percent, recouping about half of the 14.3 percent drop in September. Automakers already reported that their sales rebounded last month to an annual rate of 10.5 million units, from 9.2 million in September.”
This is of course follow fascist hyena parroting the right wing talking point (Hannity was big on it) that Obama had caused the market downturn.
You’ll notice he no longer posts the Dow on a daily basis.
Guess it undermined his dishinest talking point.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Ten months ago, at the beginning of the great stimulus debate, President-elect Barack Obama’s economic advisers produced an unfortunate chart.
The chart plotted out two lines. One projected the unemployment rate through 2014 with a stimulus package; the other projected unemployment across the same period without it.
The first line — the hopeful line, the one that was used to sell $800 billion worth of stimulus — showed the rate of joblessness peaking this fall at 8 percent, and dropping swiftly thereafter. The second line — the no-stimulus scenario — showed unemployment peaking at 9 percent, holding there across 2010, and then declining in 2011 and 2012.
Now reality has produced numbers of its own. In every month since May, the unemployment rate has been roughly a percentage point higher than the chart’s grimmer, stimulus-free scenario.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
After all the controversy over the public option, people might think that everyone can sign up right away if Congress passes health reform.
Or that insurance premiums will go down.
Or that they’ll be able to shop around for insurance if they don’t like what their company offers.
Think again.
When it comes to the public option, for instance, only about 1 in 10 Americans will be eligible, mainly people who don’t get insurance through work. Only about 6 million are expected to enroll. The plan doesn’t even start until 2013.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
NEW YORK — A year ago, the financial system was tottering and government officials arranged a $2.3 billion emergency cash infusion into CIT Group, a troubled lender to small businesses.
Today, CIT is in bankruptcy court, and the taxpayers’ investment is on the brink of being wiped out. It would be the largest loss so far from the government’s massive rescue of the financial system, but it isn’t likely to be the last.
Officials poured about $700 billion into investments in scores of companies, from giants such as the automaker General Motors and the insurer American International Group to smaller regional banks. Of them, 46 had missed required dividend payments to the government as of the end of September, according to the inspector general overseeing the program.
On Nov. 6, United Commercial Bank of San Francisco failed, becoming the first recipient of the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP, to collapse. The cost to taxpayers: $299 million.
Analysts expect more bailed-out firms to fail in the months ahead. Others may survive but will struggle to repay the government. Steven Rattner, the former head of the government’s efforts to bail out the auto industry, said recently that the full public investment in GM is unlikely to be repaid. Meanwhile, AIG is dismantling itself, selling healthy subsidiaries at what critics say are bargain prices in an all-out effort to get cash to repay the government.
About $400 billion of federal investments remain in the corporate sector, much of it channeled through TARP. Critics of the program say losses were inevitable, in many cases.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
WASHINGTON — President Obama came into office pledging to end eight years of American inaction on climate change under President George W. Bush, and all year he has promised that the United States would lead the way toward a global agreement in Copenhagen next month to address the warming planet. But this weekend in Singapore, Mr. Obama was forced to acknowledge that a comprehensive climate deal was beyond reach this year.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
“He apologized, gave his reason for the error and some conservative blogs ran the story, as they should have. For example, on the Moderate Voice”
Here’s Hannity’s smarmy apology in which he seems more concerned in pointing out Jon Stewart’s role than his lie.
“And although it pains me to say this, Jon Stewart, Comedy Central, he was right. Now on his program last night, he mentioned that we had played some incorrect video on this program last week while talking about the Republican health care rally on Capitol Hill. He was correct, we screwed up. we aired some video of a rally in september along with a video from the actual event. It was an inadvertent mistake, but a mistake none the less. So, Mr. Stewart, you were right. We apologize. But by the way, we wanna thank you and all your writers for watching.”
No reason has been given for the error.
“Would Olbermann or Matthews do the same on MSNBC? Would the Daily Kos?”
Let me know when either of those two inflate the numbers of a rally using different footage from a larger rally.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Remember when we first started complaining about how the stimulus wasn’t creating any new jobs and the Kool-Aid drinkers shouted about how first responder jobs were being saved first? I remember it and I remember who shouted the loudest. Now I’m seeing stories about cities and towns cutting jobs now and next year 30-40%. I found one article with quotes from police officials in VA, IL and MA. Apparently, the stimulus “has NOT done its job.”
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
“No reason has been given for the error.”
It was an inadvertent mistake,
“Let me know when either of those two inflate the numbers of a rally using different footage from a larger rally.”
Let me know when DKos apologizes for writing about Sarah Palin faking her pregnancy because Trig was her daughters’ child.
The other two? I don’t know what they’re up to. I’m not among their 3 viewers.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Since fascist hyena continues to steal other people’s work
“Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 16, 2009 2:48:56 PM”
This is the AP.
“Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 16, 2009 2:52:59 PM”
This excerpt is from ROSS DOUTHAT of the NYT. The article is called Off the Charts
“Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 16, 2009 2:54:39 PM”
This excerpt is from “Health reform’s Hidden Land Mines” written by Politico’s CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN & CHRIS FRATES.
“Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 16, 2009 2:57:12 PM”
This excerpt is from the Washington Post in an article titled “Taxpayers on Hook as some bailed out firms prove frail” by Tomoeh Murakami Tse
Hmmm I guess TARP is Obama’s responsibility again after it briefly became Bush’s triumph when it seemed that it was working.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
“It was an inadvertent mistake,”
How does one splice footage like that inadvertently?
“Let me know when DKos apologizes for writing about Sarah Palin faking her pregnancy because Trig was her daughters’ child.”
Well DKos is a community website with thousands of different writers.
So who would you ask for the apology from?
Maybe Andrew Sullivan who wrote about it alot but he did so on his own website.
I do feel for her children.
Having a sociopath for a mother must be difficult.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
8/4/09, Chris Matthews, Hardball as discussed on Media Matters dot org:
Matthews: “Back in 2007, two years ago, Rasmussen polled voters with a similar out-of-left-field question, asking whether they believed that then-President Bush, George W. Bush, had gotten the inside word that the World Trade towers and the Pentagon were about to be hit on September 11, 2001. We’re talking hard intel as to what was coming that day — how the hijackers were going to grab those planes and fly them into buildings.”
The poll asked “Did Bush know about the 9/11 attacks in advance?” That’s it. Matthews description of the poll is flat-out wrong. It is entirely made-up. The poll question said nothing — nothing — about Bush getting “inside word.” It said nothing about “hard intel,” and it said nothing about “how the hijackers were going to grab those plans and fly them into buildings.”
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
For the third day in a row, Rasmussen* has Obama’s job approval with a positive spread: 50% approve, 49% disapprove. Last time Rasmussen* showed a positive approval spread was more than a month ago. And, for the time being, Rasmussen* has joined virtually every other major pollster in giving the President a positive job approval spread. Obama haters can take solace in the +1 spread still being way out of range on the current RCP list of pollsters; +9 is the next lowest spread.
*Choice pollster of conservatives
Posted by: Numeros | November 16, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
“*Choice pollster of conservatives
Posted by: Numeros | Nov 16, 2009 3:34:53 PM”
*chuckle*
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
President Obama’s Q & A with the Chinese students was excellent – the guy is so bright and fast on his feet.
He spoke forcefully, diplomatically and eloquently about human rights – and other issues.
We’re very lucky to have this man in this position at this time – despite the hate mongering and smear attacks from the right wing.
Posted by: tierra | November 16, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
How does this article jive with the following allegations from atlasshrugs and politico readers?
Monday, November 16, 2009
The White House Tracking Atlas readers?
This is from a reader who asks to remain anonymous. Anyone else in Atlas land have this happening to them? Not sure if this is a blip or if the creepy White House is doing Big Brother really big.
Tell the boys at Politico as well.
Whitehouse.gov is putting a “cookie” in the Macromedia file on my computer when I visit your site. I’ve had this happen lately with Politico too. Please don’t identify me if you mention this anywhere.
Wh cookie
UPDATE: I’ve been getting messages like this one like crazy:
Dear Atlas Shrugs!
Regarding your posting from anon reader – I just checked my computer files (per your post/reader’s screen shot) – SURE ENOUGH “www whitehouse gov” is in there.
I can assure you – I totally avoid any and all government websites -and particularly the WH site – these days… So how/why is the whitehouse cookie on my computer?!
Vile vipers and thieves!
I did a screen shot/save to word (if you want it i’ll be glad to send it)
Best wishes (and knock ‘em out in Ohio – Please pass thanks to all those who attend!)
tc
Posted by: pauldia | November 16, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
8/4/09, Chris Matthews, Hardball as discussed on Media Matters:
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 16, 2009 3:26:21 PM
No snappy comeback? Anyone?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
BTW the right wing’s favoriyte pollster Scott Rasmussen does his best to prop up Palin today by releasing a poll
“Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Republican voters say former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin shares the values of most GOP voters throughout the nation.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 21% of Republican voters disagree and think the 2008 vice presidential candidate does not share their values. Twenty percent (20%) are undecided.
By contrast, 74% of Republicans say their party’s representatives in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters nationwide over the past several years. Only 18% of Republican voters believe their elected officials have done a good job representing the base.”
I am guessing the poll that came out from ABC/Wapo showing her with 53% declaring they would not ever vote for her and 60% feeling she is unqualified stung a bit.
BTW how many reputable pollsters shill for a book release?
“Sixteen percent (16%) of all voters are following news about Palin’s book release very closely, and 20% say they are likely to read it. That latter figure includes 31% of Republican voters. (To order the book, Going Rogue, click HERE).”
I wonder how much Harper Collins paid Scotty for that.
Also Numeros, do you know if Rasmussen does cell phones or only landlines?
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
tierra, if they asked you creampuff questions you would look good, too. What about the Hiroshima question that he couldn’t answer? If he is so smart why isn’t he a Phi Beta Kappa?
Posted by: Nephron | November 16, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Tierra, why the need for constant positive affirmations aimed towards the president? It’s as if you don’t really believe he’s good enough, smart enough or that people like him.
You are a constant and consistent example of the soft bigotry of low expectations. It’s as if you feel you have to work extra hard for Obama because he is such a weak president.
President Obama already has an inflated sense pride in his feelings of superiority to others. Why do you feel he is such a bad president that he needs YOUR positive reinforcement every day?
Posted by: Krakatoa | November 16, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
“tierra, if they asked you creampuff questions you would look good, too. What about the Hiroshima question that he couldn’t answer? If he is so smart why isn’t he a Phi Beta Kappa?”
Nephron’s mad because no one demanded to see his birth certificate.
I’m not sure which is stranger, your birtherism or your obsession with Obama’s not becoming a Phi Beta Kappa at Columbia.
Obama graduated magna cum laude at Hardvard Law and was elected by his fellow students to be editor of the law review.
I realize these academic accomplishments annoy you but those are the fact.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Atlas shrugs is the website that argued Obama was ineligible to be President because the Constitution as put forth by the founders only considered African Americans to be 3/5 of a person.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
It’s as if you feel you have to work extra hard for Obama because he is such a weak president.
Krakatoa | Nov 16, 2009 4:06:37 PM
Last I heard, he was single-handedly destroying America and creating a totalitarian communist socialist state while wasting all his time going on date nights. Sounds like the Right thinks he’s the strongest President America has ever seen.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 16, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
You are a constant and consistent example of the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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Yes, but 8 years of Republicans, Bush and Cheney and that crowd will give a person low expectations.
Nowadays, my expectations have been raised greatly – glad for it.
Posted by: tierra | November 16, 2009, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Let me know when DKos apologizes for writing about Sarah Palin faking her pregnancy because Trig was her daughters’ child.
Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 16, 2009 3:14:09 PM
Hang on – are you implying the Daily Kos, a fringe left website, is equivalent to FoxNews, the most popular news network ever in the history of mankind (at least according to their numbers I think)?
I would argue that is pretty absurd false equivalency, but it’s so over the top I think it more appropriate to thank you for the good laugh I had at it.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 16, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Hang on – are you implying the Daily Kos, is not revered by liberals?
Posted by: Krakatoa | November 16, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Tiara, you are only fooling yourself.
Posted by: Krakatoa | November 16, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
“Atlas shrugs is the website that argued Obama was ineligible to be President because the Constitution as put forth by the founders only considered African Americans to be 3/5 of a person.”
Quote or retract. Not that her site is easy to navigate, but I couldn’t find anything along those lines.
Posted by: Huh? | November 16, 2009, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Atlas shrugs is the website that argued Obama was ineligible to be President because the Constitution as put forth by the founders only considered African Americans to be 3/5 of a person…..
Posted by: Ryan C | Ryan I doubt what you posted is acccurate, however are you justifying logging and recording visitors i.p. addressees by the White House to sites with whom you have a problem with?
Posted by: pauldia | November 16, 2009, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
“Numeros ought to verify this, of course, but my understanding is that Rasumussen robocalls land lines, which generally are not used much by people in cities, or people under the age of 35. Therefore he tends to poll older, and more rural than urban, “likely” voters.”
Rasmussen has not published his likely voter model but he does state that he discounts younger voters in approval polls.
I was wondering about the land line versus cell phone because it was my understanding that you could not “robocall” cell phones.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Numeros,
Do you know if Rasmussen does cell phones too?
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Is that true? And if so, wouldn’t people be embarrassed to admit they frequent that website?
As for cookies– don’t ALL websites put cookies into your computer files, or most of them, and isn’t that why computer types tell you to clear private data including cookies frequently? I don’t see it as particularly creepy.
Octavia, try a tick tack. Also the issue is the visitors to Politco” and “Atlasshrugs” never visited the Whitehouse site. The allegation is the WhiteHouse is independently monitoring and logging addresses to visitors of political sites.
Posted by: pauldia | November 16, 2009, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
40% of the Harvard Law school class graduate with honors-big deal.Why couldn’t he make Phi Beta Kappa- that is a mark of real,non-affirmative action scholarship.What does “elected by his fellow students to be editor of the law review” have to do with his academic record? Even the previous editor stated that his academic standing was not up to the standards of previous editors;”other factors” entered into his selection.Have you ever been in Graduate School?
Posted by: Nephron | November 16, 2009, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
“Quote or retract. Not that her site is easy to navigate, but I couldn’t find anything along those lines.”
Probably scrubbed along with other birther material like Malcolm X is Obama’s real father.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
“40% of the Harvard Law school class graduate with honors-big deal.”
Wrong.
But I’m not going thru this idiocy again.
“Why couldn’t he make Phi Beta Kappa- that is a mark of real,non-affirmative action scholarship.”
I had no idea you were a racist as well as a birther but I guess that makes sense.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
“Is that true? And if so, wouldn’t people be embarrassed to admit they frequent that website?”
So are you embarrassed to admit you visit that website?
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Ooops sorry Octavia, it looks like I responded to pauldia reposting of your comments.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
I’m sorry Ryan C,you are right.According to the Harvard Law website:top 1% summa cum laude, next 10% magna cum laude, next 30% cum laude. It is not 40%,it is 41% graduate with honors.This is why Obama will not release his college transcripts-they stink.
Posted by: Nephron | November 16, 2009, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
“I’m sorry Ryan C,you are right.According to the Harvard Law website:top 1% summa cum laude, next 10% magna cum laude, next 30% cum laude. It is not 40%,it is 41% graduate with honors.”
Obama graduated magna cum laude so he was in the top 11%.
Not too shabby for Harvard Law.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
“Do you know if Rasmussen does cell phones too?”
Not according to Mark Blumenthal’s April 23 blog “Does IVR Explain the Difference?” over at Pollster. Also, from what I’ve read, federal regulations prohibit robo-callers like Rasmussen from dialing cell phone numbers.
Posted by: Numeros | November 16, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
“Not according to Mark Blumenthal’s April 23 blog “Does IVR Explain the Difference?” over at Pollster. Also, from what I’ve read, federal regulations prohibit robo-callers like Rasmussen from dialing cell phone numbers.”
Yes, I read that blog as well but as a fellow poll nerd I was hoping you had other corroborating info.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
How ironic.
Obama suggests that China should allow for more freedom.
As he rapidly tries to takes more and more of our freedom away in America.
I heard someone call it “plantation politics.” And this from a black conservative but I don’t recall her name.
As the Democrats give more handouts and entitlements Americans become more enslaved to big government.
Posted by: mick | November 16, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
“Yes, I read that blog as well but as a fellow poll nerd I was hoping you had other corroborating info.”
It would be nice if Rasmussen himself would corroborate the info. Horse’s mouth, and all that.
Are Rasmussen’s “premium members” let in on those secrets in addition to crosstabs?
Posted by: Numeros | November 16, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
“You can’t produce a quote, so you claim right wingers are lying? That makes no sense at all.”
I’ve found the quotes but I cannot confirm they are from her beyond their being attributed to her by this blog (and I can;t confirm the other info in there).
It can be googled as I am not repeating them here.
Chasing Evil: Pam Geller Goes Over the Edge
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
“Are Rasmussen’s “premium members” let in on those secrets in addition to crosstabs?”
One wonders.
Maybe the secret of who a likely voter is would be revealed as well.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Senate Committee Postpones Fort Hood Hearing At Request of White House ….
He is liar after all. He’s taking away our freedom …
Posted by: talk from sf | November 16, 2009, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
From Foxnews…where is the lie?
“In a video and Internet address released by the White House on Saturday, President Obama urged Congress to hold off on any investigation of the Fort Hood rampage until federal law enforcement and military authorities have completed their probes into the shootings.
While on an eight-day trip to Asia, Obama called on lawmakers to “resist the temptation to turn this tragic event into the political theater.”
“The stakes are far too high,” he said. “There is an ongoing investigation into this terrible tragedy. That investigation will look at the motives of the alleged gunman, including his views and contacts.
“We must compile every piece of information that was known about the gunman, and we must learn what was done with that information. Once we have those facts, we must act upon them,” he added.”
Right wingers are looking to hold hearings to create political theater to appeal to their Muslim hating base.
Posted by: Ryan C | November 16, 2009, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
I start to watch FOX every night. I trust FOX because they made corretion when they made mistakes. Unlike the MSM, they either not bother to correct them or correct them on the last page where no one will pay attention to.
Biased and unfair reporting. We don’t need it.
Posted by: talk from sf | November 16, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
The bad news for Iowa Democrats is that a poll by the highly respected Selzer & Co. for the Des Moines Register shows the incumbent Democrat Governor, Chet Culver, losing badly (by 24%!) in his re-election bid to former Republican Governor Terry Branstad, a likely candidate for the GOP. Iowa, is one of the real swing states in the country.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
But don’t worry, they’ll make all your healthcare decisions just fine:
Here’s a stimulus success story: In Arizona’s 9th Congressional District, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that’s what the website set up by the Obama Administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.
There’s one problem, though: There is no 9th Congressional District in Arizona; the state has only eight Congressional Districts.
There’s no 86th Congressional District in Arizona either, but the government’s recovery.gov Web site says $34 million in stimulus money has been spent there.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
The astute reader will recall that at the time this bill was enacted, this is precisely what I said was going to happen:
“For more than 15.4 million people, the Making Work Pay tax credit enacted as part of the $787-billion economic stimulus package could turn out to be a Making You Pay Back tax credit.
“That’s the finding of a government watchdog report out today about the credit, which provides as much as $400 for individuals and as much as $800 for joint filers. It is the signature tax cut that President Obama promised in his campaign and was delivered with much fanfare in February.
“The problem: In order to maximize the credit’s stimulative effect on the economy, withholding changes for taxpayers kicked in within days of Obama signing the legislation and taxpayers started seeing the changes in their paychecks in April. In essence, the credit was “advanced to taxpayers through their wages by a decrease in federal income tax withholding” for the 2009 and 2010 tax years, according to the report by the Treasury Department’s Inspector General for Tax Administration.”
Wasn’t that “stimulative effect on the economy” a wonder to behold?
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
But don’t worry, they’ll make all your healthcare decisions just fine:
One of President Obama’s primary justifications for pushing health care legislation has been that the status quo is “unsustainable” because of the skyrocketing cost of medical care in the United States. The way to rein in costs, he argues, is to do adopt the policies that he and his fellow Democrats are proposing. But a new report by the government actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a branch of the Obama administration’s Department of Health and Human Services, has found that the exact opposite is true.
CMS took a close look at the health care bill that was passed by House Democrats and endorsed by the White House, and it found that not only would the bill not reduce health care costs — it would increase them.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
LONDON (AFP) – The dollar fell on Monday as China accused the United States of increasing protectionism and following unexpectedly strong Japanese economic growth figures, pushing gold prices to a record high point.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
“I trust FOX because they made corretion when they made mistakes.”
Have they corrected their “mistake” of taking out full-page newspaper ads claiming ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN missed the September TEA Party protest in Washington?
Posted by: WWW | November 16, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
“He’s taking away our freedom …”
I’ve read this soooo often I now imagine hordes of right wingers wearing kilts, bent over and screaming “Obama, ye kinna take away our FREEDOM!”
Posted by: WWW | November 16, 2009, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
WaPo:
A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.
The report, requested by House Republicans, found that Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
“Speaking privately at the White House on Monday with a group of mostly liberal columnists and commentators, including Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann of MSNBC and Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich and Bob Herbert of The New York Times, Mr. Obama himself gave vent to sentiments about [Fox News Channel], according to people briefed on the conversation.”
–New York Times, Oct. 23,2009
Posted by: RANDALL | November 16, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
The continuing exposure of Porkulus Job Fables goes to San Diego, which used a Barbara Boxer appearance hailing job creation in the area. KUSI-TV reports that they can only find one job created by stimulus dollars in the area. In fact, they expose Boxer’s dishonest representation of NIH grant money for research as “stimulus” funds, and marvel at the poor performance of Boxer in office.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
That blog claims there’s a FEC statement about Geller. Yet no one else mentions it, anywhere in google-verse. The only reference to FEC and Geller is her filing a complaint to the FEC about Obama taking campaign contributions from Hamas.
Posted by: Huh? | November 16, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
But don’t worry, they’ll do healthcare just right:
“GM’s Chief Executive Fritz Henderson recently announced that the bailed-out automaker might use its U.S. funds to help restructure its European unit Opel, noting that the financing agreements with the Treasury for the $34 billion of bailout funds already spent allow GM to spend any subsequently earned funds as its executives see fit. Some $16 billion remaining after its bankruptcy has strings attached. In a world where funds are fungible, where GM has yet to repay the $50 billion bailout, and where GM only remains in existence because of those bailout dollars, critics argue sending these funds to Europe is essentially the same as sending taxpayer dollars overseas.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
“He’s taking away our freedom …”
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Right wingers will spew any kind of crud to try to smear the President.
Posted by: tierra | November 16, 2009, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
58% Funds Awarded
13% Received
Jobs Created/Saved as Reported by Recipients
640,329
10/30/2009
WOW! It’s like they’re actually counting!
At this rate, I have no doubt Obama will reach his goal of 3.5 million!
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 16, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Right wingers will spew any kind of crud to try to smear the President.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 16, 2009 6:53:40 PM
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Well, since you brought it up: Left wingers spewed crud for years to smear the former President.
Posted by: Jen | November 16, 2009, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
“Obama, ye kinna take away our FREEDOM!”
“Go back to Chicago and tell them there that America’s daughters and her sons are yours no more. Tell them America is free.”
Posted by: William Wallace | November 16, 2009, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Well, since you brought it up: Left wingers spewed crud for years to smear the former President.
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Not really, it was the Republicans who perfected the ‘swift boating’ techniques and the fear and smear campaigns – and that’s what we see being used today STILL by the right wing.
The right wing are slowly sinking themselves in their own filth. Just watch it on this site.
President Bush hit a disapproval rate among Americans of very close to 70% (Cheney even lower) – it wasn’t just the left who called down that administration.
Posted by: tierra | November 16, 2009, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Forty-seven percent (47%) of voters now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. With the exception of bounces following nationally televised presidential appeals, that’s the highest level of support measured for the legislative effort all year.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 49% are opposed to the plan.
Intensity is still stronger among those who oppose the push to change the nation’s health care system: 25% Strongly Favor the plan while 39% are Strongly Opposed.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 16, 2009, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Posted by: tierra | Nov 16, 2009 10:43:58 PM
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You were talking about those “right wingers” who try to smear the President by spewing crud. See your post at Nov 16, 2009 6:53:40 PM.
I simply pointed out that left wingers smeared the former President for years by spewing crud. But you need to change the subject…which is no surprise.
Posted by: Jen | November 16, 2009, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
I simply pointed out that left wingers smeared the former President for years by spewing crud. But you need to change the subject…which is no surprise.
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Not really, it was the Republicans who perfected the ‘swift boating’ techniques and the fear and smear campaigns – and that’s what we see being used today STILL by the right wing.
The right wing are slowly sinking themselves in their own filth. Just watch it on this site.
President Bush hit a disapproval rate among Americans of very close to 70% (Cheney even lower) – it wasn’t just the left who called down that administration.
Posted by: tierra | November 16, 2009, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
tierra,how do you explain the 9th congressional district of Arizona?Is that in one of the 57 states?
Posted by: Nephron | November 17, 2009, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Not really, it was the Republicans who perfected the ‘swift boating’ techniques and the fear and smear campaigns – and that’s what we see being used today STILL by the right wing.
Posted by: tierra |
Non-partisan Democrats also see it being used today STILL by the Democrat Party.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | November 17, 2009, 1:37 am 1:37 am
More hypocrisy from this president. Pfft!
He is so deluded he probably actually believes his lies! It’s disgusting.
Posted by: Sunnyr | November 17, 2009, 5:29 am 5:29 am
Dollar in free fall again.
Posted by: Citizen X | November 17, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Liar ,Liar pants on FIRE! this guy can’t even remember what he says to anyone.Why does he refuse to give up his Blackberry,Barry? You can tell he’s liying?HIS LIPS MOVE!
Posted by: Runninbear | November 17, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
We all know Obama lies. That is a given. He won’t interview with FOX because they will ask questions he doesn’t like. Anyway, Dem & Rep citizens should not fight. It is our GOVERNMENT that is to blame. The president is just a small part – just more visible. FACE IT. The Democrats love huge government and higher taxes for more bureaucracy. The Reps used to like small government and lower taxes for economic growth. Bottom line, the government has not been responsible to the people for decades. That is what has to change.
Posted by: John A | November 17, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Isn’t his assertion counter to what the FCC wants to do to regulate the internet?
Posted by: TX_MBell | November 17, 2009, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Ok, the story was about free internet access, not Faux News. We need to create free and neutral Internet access in this country where it is quickly becoming more expensive and slower than many third world countries. Freely distributed Internet access would create jobs and innovation desperately needed.
Posted by: Online Business Cookbook | November 18, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
“it makes me a better leader because it forces me to hear opinions that I don’t want to hear”
Did Obama say that with a straight face?
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