Rogue Nation: A Chance for a Palin Makeover — If She Wants It
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: There are second chances to make first impressions — but first you have to decide you weren’t happy with your first go-around.
We don’t yet know that about Sarah Palin — a little surprisingly, since we seem to know just about everything else.
As a full week of Palin Mania begins — with Oprah Monday, the book launch Tuesday, and Barbara Walters’ interviews spread through the week, all as build-up for the most famous bus tour since, well, the Straight Talk Express — we will learn much about the GOP and its relationship with its hardly reluctant superstar.
We will also learn more about Palin herself. Among the questions: Is “going rogue” an end in itself, or a means to an end?
Palin reenters the political stage with 60 percent of Americans saying she’s not qualified to be president, per the new ABC News/Washington Post poll — not that they don’t like her, or don’t want her to be president, but that she’s not qualified.
To turn that around starts slowly, with building credibility — if that’s what she wants. And that might start with moving beyond the same kind of juicy gossip she claims to abhor when it’s about her.
The rallying cry — from Palin herself, on Facebook: “We’ll keep setting the record straight, and we’ll keep reminding some in the media that Americans are very tired of their non-objective reporting,” she writes. “And I can’t wait to see you! God bless the fight for freedom! Keep up the great work, Patriots who love this country.”
On the sniping with McCain campaign aides, Palin tells ABC’s Barbara Walters: “For some people, this is a business. And if failure in this business was going to reflect poorly on them, they had to kind of pack their own parachutes and protect themselves and their reputations, so, they wouldn’t be blamed. I’ll take the blame, though. Because I know, at the end of the day, what the truth is.”
It’s a “political brawl as a result of the book by the political force of nature,” ABC’s Diane Sawyer said on “Good Morning America” Monday.
What does Sen. John McCain think of all this? McCain convened a conference call with top former aides Friday, ABC’s Kate Snow reports. “Says one aide in the know: ‘He apologized to everyone on the call for people having to go through this. Said something like, “You are all my dear friends. This will pass. It’ll pass faster if everyone will just stay out of it.” ‘
Snow, on “GMA”: “Like her or not, Sarah Palin is the visible, most provocative Republican the party has right now… And even Hillary Clinton seemed intrigued.”
(Said Clinton, to George Stephanopoulos on “This Week”: “Well, I have never met her. And, look, I would look forward to sit down and talk with her,” Clinton said of Palin’s suggestion that they grab a cup of coffee.)
More from the new poll: “Fifty-three percent say they definitely would not vote for Palin if she were to run for president in 2012; that compares with 9 percent who say they’d definitely support her, while the rest, 37 percent, would consider it. (For comparison, in a 2006 ABC/Post poll fewer flatly ruled out Hillary Clinton, 42 percent, and fewer still wouldn’t consider John McCain, 28 percent,)” ABC’s Gary Langer reports.
Why Team McCain will have to hear the noise: “The most sustained and vehement barbs in this book are directed not at Democrats or liberals or the news media, but at the McCain campaign,” Michiko Kakutami writes in reviewing “Going Rogue” for The New York Times. “The very campaign that plucked her out of Alaska, anointed her the Republican vice-presidential nominee and made her one of the most talked about women on the planet — someone who could command a reported $5 million advance for writing this book…. [The memoir] is part cagey spin, part earnest autobiography, part payback hit job.”
Melanie Kirkpatrick, reviewing the book for The Wall Street Journal: “It is disappointing that Mrs. Palin devotes so little of ‘Going Rogue’ to the issues that she and Mr. McCain ran on. … As for her supporters on the right, they won’t find much new ammunition with which to counter those who say that Mrs. Palin isn’t ready for the rigors of the White House.”
But this week will be more about the media appearances than the book. What can Palin do with this chance?
Donna Brazile, in an open letter to the former governor: “Use this moment, governor, to help change the tenor of American politics and to encourage young women and girls to pursue careers in public service. Talk about the lessons you learned on the national stage and how women can confront a media bias that all too often stereotypes women candidates as not being ready for prime time by focusing on what they wear and not on where they stand on important issues,” she writes. “Governor, can I hear a ‘You betcha!’ ”
Why this is one GOP publicity burst Democrats don’t really mind: “Obama knows the long odds against a right-wing populist winning the presidency, no matter how good she looks in a skirt (or running clothes), brandishing a gun,” Evan Thomas writes for Newsweek, which put Palin on its cover. “He shouldn’t be too cocky, however, because the death of the center is ultimately a problem for him and the whole country. If the Palinistas seize the GOP, they probably cannot take the White House. But their brand of no-prisoners partisanship sure can tie up Congress.”
“She’ll have the loudest voice on this — that’s for sure,” ABC’s Cokie Roberts said on “GMA.” “I think she’s finding out if she’s running for 2012.”
She couldn’t ever win the nomination — right? “What all the discussions of Palin’s future miss is the way that Republican Party rules are made-to-order for a well-funded insurgent named Sarah to sweep the primaries before anyone figures out how to stop her. If Palin can maintain, say, 35-percent support in a multi-candidate presidential field, then she is the odds-on favorite for the GOP nomination,” Walter Shapiro writes for Politics Daily. “Palin would not be a lucky fringe candidate who won a caucus or two; she would be a universally known charismatic figure who could beat the party establishment in this conservative state.”
Setting a tone — Andrew Sullivan, at “The Daily Dish” blog: “She is a deeply disturbed individual whose grip on reality is very weak, and whose self-awareness is close to nil. This much is not a leap, let alone unfair. It is simply unavoidable if one examines her surreal invention of reality – even when she must surely know that the evidence exists out there to contradict her.”
“She’s a joke,” David Brooks said on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.”
Added Gwen Ifill: “You cannot underestimate the degree that women will be drawn to her story.”
Sarah Palin isn’t the only one who can convene town halls. President Obama pulled it off earlier Monday — in China (but, alas, there’s no Mandarin word for “town hall”).
“At the Museum of Science and Technology Monday afternoon, President Obama took questions from a docile audience of more than 400 Chinese university students handpicked by officials of eight different Chinese universities,” ABC’s Jake Tapper, Yunji de Nies, Karen Travers, and Sunlen Miller report. “The town hall meeting was one of the few unscripted moments on the president’s trip. It was supposed to be carried live on Chinese state television but at the last moment, the Chinese government changed its mind and only local stations in Shanghai, and the White House web site, carried it live.”
Prodding, virtually or otherwise: “President Barack Obama gave China a pointed, unexpected nudge to stop censoring the Internet access of its own people, offering an animated defense of the tool that helped him win the White House — and telling his tightly controlled hosts not to be wary of a little criticism,” the AP’s Charles Hutzler reports.
Said Obama (maybe not totally sure what Twitter is?): “I have never used Twitter,” the president said. “My thumbs are too clumsy to type in things on the phone. But I am a big believer in technology and I’m a big believer in openness when it comes to the flow of information. I think that the more freely information flows, the stronger the society becomes, because then citizens of countries around the world can hold their own governments accountable. They can begin to think for themselves. That generates new ideas. It encourages creativity.”
(Does this mean that John McCain has closed the technology gap — and leaped ahead of his one-time rival?)
“The event was billed as an opportunity for Obama to reach beyond Chinese officialdom. But virtually every aspect of the meeting was scripted,” The Washington Post’s Anne E. Kornblut and Andrew Higgins report. “Obama’s audience, selected and coached by Chinese officials, was bused to the venue from eight universities. Questioned briefly as they were hustled into the hall, the students said they were mostly members of the ruling Communist Party.”
Hoping for more, per Time’s Michael Scherer and Austin Ramzy: “The official U.S. buzzword for President Obama’s visit to China this week is ‘pragmatic cooperation,’ but behind the scenes, U.S. diplomats have been aiming for something a little closer to subversion — at least when it comes to getting around China’s ‘great firewall’ of official censorship and information control.”
Also on the president’s Monday schedule — it’s Beijing. ABC’s Sunlen Miller: “In the evening Mr. Obama will sit down one-on-one with China’s President Hu Jintao in Yangyuan Hall of the Diaoyutair State Guest house. The two leaders will then have dinner in the Banquet Hall.”
For the president — another headache, both domestic and foreign: “At a time when the nation’s unemployment rate has soared to levels not seen in decades and bailout recipient General Motors is cutting jobs in this country, the company CEO is considering using some of its $50 billion in taxpayer aid on its overseas operations, a possibility that has left critics and lawmakers outraged,” ABC’s Jake Tapper and Matthew Jaffe report.
Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., in Tapper’s “GMA” piece: “I don’t think most Americans believe that when the taxpayer bailouts were happening it was intended for that purpose. It was intended to protect the American economy — not take the money overseas.”
The first lady’s day: “First lady Michelle Obama will be in Denver on Monday as part of a leadership and mentoring initiative,” per TheDenverChannel.com. “She plans to meet with national and local women leaders at the governor’s mansion for a luncheon discussion. In the afternoon, they’ll all visit different schools in the area to discuss their careers and answer student questions.”
The veep’s day: Vice President Joe Biden “is finishing up a campaign swing today that will take him to fundraisers for four vulnerable incumbents in AZ and NM,” Reid Wilson writes in his new Hotline “Starting Lineup” column. “Biden has raised well over $1M for Frontline Dems, but his admin. has made them take vote after vote that the NRCC will eagerly use in ads next year. The stimulus, cap and trade, and now health care — all will find their way into independent expenditures before ’10 comes to a close.”
Still out there — Afghanistan strategy. Delay has itself become a storyline:
“Barack Obama is in danger of giving deliberation a bad name,” Doyle McManus writes in the Sunday Los Angeles Times. “When he ran for president, ‘no drama Obama’ prided himself on a campaign organization that never aired internal disputes and always closed ranks in common cause. Not in this process, which has turned into a very un-Obamalike battle of leaks and counterleaks.”
David Broder: “The more President Obama examines our options in Afghanistan, the less he likes the choices he sees. But, as the old saying goes, to govern is to choose — and he has stretched the internal debate to the breaking point.”
Getting there? “A senior administration official told some reporters in Singapore that his ‘sense’ is that President Obama has ‘pretty much decided’ on which Af-Pak strategy he will pick but hasn’t yet made a firm decision and is still working out details,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reports. “The official said his sense was the President’s chosen strategy isn’t going to be everything the Pentagon wants.”
Pushback — per Politico’s Mike Allen: “White House senior adviser David Axelrod, who attends the deliberations but says he does not ‘have a seat at the table,’ told POLITICO that the impatience on the momentous decision is a symptom of today’s ‘A.D.D. political culture.’ ”
Next for Gitmo detainees: “A delegation from U.S. Bureau of Prisons is scheduled to tour and inspect the Thomson Correctional Center Monday as part of a White House proposal to buy the facility and use it to house some terror suspects now detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba,” Andrew L. Wang and Kristen Schorsch write in the Chicago Tribune.
Gov. Pat Quinn, D-Ill., said having the detainees in Illinois would be “good for our state, good for our economy and good for our public safety.” Countered Rep. Mark Kirk, D-Ill.: “As home to America’s tallest building, we should not invite Al Qaeda to make Illinois its number one target.”
(This is a defense? “I won’t second guess the Attorney General,” Secretary Clinton said on “This Week.”)
With the House and Senate back in session this week, it’s back to health care.
Only a little bit: “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will unveil legislation to overhaul the U.S. health-care system as early as this week. The floor debate that follows is likely to divide his Democratic Party,” Bloomberg’s Kristin Jensen and Laura Litvan report.
Believe it? “Even though he doesn’t yet have an official cost estimate or promises of a filibuster-proof vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is confident he’ll be able to kick off debate on a massive health care reform measure before Thanksgiving,” Roll Call’s Emily Pierce reports.
Clipped and saved on the right: “[Democrats] far-reaching overhaul of the health-care system — which Congress is halfway toward enacting — would almost certainly make matters worse,” Robert J. Samuelson writes in his Washington Post column. “It would create new, open-ended medical entitlements that threaten higher deficits and would do little to suppress surging health costs. The disconnect between what President Obama says and what he’s doing is so glaring that most people could not abide it. The president, his advisers and allies have no trouble. But reconciling blatantly contradictory objectives requires them to engage in willful self-deception, public dishonesty, or both.”
New from the abortion wars: The Center for Reproductive Rights is going up with a national cable and Washington, DC, ad (TV and online) blasting the Stupak amendment. “Don’t let Congress ban abortion coverage millions of women already have,” says the voice-over at the end.
Monday morning, in New York: “With the U.S. Senate set to begin debate on health care reform this week, U.S. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) will be joined today by feminist activist icon Gloria Steinem, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, City Council Speaker Christine Quinn and dozens of women leaders to protest Michigan Democratic Representative Bart Stupak’s amendment which passed the House of Representatives this month and would deny millions of women access to reproductive care.”
Even passing a bill doesn’t solve everything. Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown and Chris Frates: “After all the controversy over the public option, people might think that everyone can sign up right away if Congress passes health reform. Or that insurance premiums will go down. Or that they’ll be able to shop around for insurance if they don’t like what their company offers. Think again.”
In a similar vein: “Americans are worried about the fine print in the health care overhaul, an Associated Press poll says, and those concerns are creating new challenges for President Barack Obama as he tries to overcome doubts in Congress,” the AP’s Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Trevor Tompson report.
Another new wrinkle: “Healthcare overhaul bills working their way through Congress could jeopardize laws in California and other states that require insurers to pay for treatments such as AIDS testing, second surgical opinions and reconstructive surgery for breast cancer patients,” the Los Angeles Times’ Lisa Girion reports. “What’s more, the federal legislation could make it virtually impossible for states to enforce other consumer protection laws, such as the right to appeal if an insurer denies coverage for a particular treatment.”
Couldn’t be clearer: Hillary Clinton is not running for governor of New York. “No, no, no. That’s another one of those stories that never will die and I hope maybe we can put it to rest today,” she told George Stephanopoulos on “This Week.”
But Rudy Giuliani? “Leaning straight ahead,” he said, but making a decision soon.
Money trail: “Supporters of the U.S. embargo against Cuba have contributed nearly $11 million to members of Congress since 2004 in a largely successful effort to block efforts to weaken sanctions against the island, a new report shows,” Lesley Clark reports for The Miami Herald. “In several cases, the report by Public Campaign says, members of Congress who had supported easing sanctions against Cuba changed their position — and got donations from the U.S.-Cuba Democracy Political Action Committee and its donors.”
The Kicker:
“Why is the bald guy always the villain?” — Steve Schmidt, to Politico, on Sarah Palin’s new book.
“u guys are working double-triple time on this blundered-up stuff that they spin bc of my visits w press – while I apologize I say I love you guys!!!” — Palin, in an email to Schmidt, Nicolle Wallace, and Rick Davis, in October 2008.
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I am so sick of this lair cheat and user It is time she left the lime light not giving her what she wants,it is TV time and her face all over the net.She lied in her book and has beeen proven.Why can’t people see her as for what she is????
Posted by: Voter | November 16, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
She does not need a second chance. The news media and the DNC have the fear of god for her because they know she is very popular. They know if she runs that its all over for them. They know tha Palin is a leader not a neighbor hood organizer.
Posted by: Jim Rod | November 16, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
I think the Sarah Palin media frenzy is fascinating. Lester Holt even held up her book on the NBC Nightly News on Friday night, as if he were plugging it. Then, Hillary Clinton was beaming when asked about Palin, positively BEAMING. Clearly, it doesn’t distress the Democrats one bit to get Palin’s story out there, especially in contrast to Hillary Clinton, who is so clearly in her element as Secretary of State.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 16, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
There is not enpough lipstick or pitbull to make over this lady. She is a quitter and an undereducated idiot. No wonder Hillary is glowing when talking about her. She is the best thying the Democrats have going at this point. Though give Obama a little time and he will make things better I believe.
Posted by: jenny | November 16, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
There is not enough lipstick or pitbull to make over this lady. She is a quitter and an undereducated idiot. No wonder Hillary is glowing when talking about her. She is the best thing the Democrats have going at this point. Though give Obama a little time and he will make things better I believe.
(apolgies for typos in first post)
Posted by: jenny | November 16, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Her first impression was perfect. She is a completely SELF-MADE, powerful woman (unlike hillary clinton, nancy pelosi, caroline kennedy, arianna huffington), and she has survived the media’s relentless attacks to destory her. Her crowds matched BO’s after only 2 months on the campaign trail, after he had campaigned for several years.
This woman is incredibly tough. If she chooses to run and overpowers the current socialist regime in 2012, I can’t wait to step outside to see all of the liberals packing their bags!
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
I understand the “Going Rouge Activity & Coloring Book”, is outselling Palin’s own book.
Posted by: devilkev | November 16, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am
i think she is qualify in politic issues,and more people know that and afraid to her and the proof are about the pression the media put to her and her family. Why no doing the same with other woman what actually doing politic? for example Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama said something negative about this women or something bad about they families Why not? i ask you .
Posted by: yolanda | November 16, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
And let the mudslinging being! Right vs. Left! Let’s get ready to ruuuumbllllle!
Posted by: GWP | November 16, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Dave..you forgot one George Bush! To all the Palin cheerleaders…She made her Impression loud and clear, and continues to do so by engaging in child-like “digs” with Levi Johnston and the McCain campaign… and the “Media” You just Don’t do this as a LEADER! Yolanda…she is your hero I see..Uneducated and Stupid. Learn how to READ and spell.
Posted by: sara | November 16, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am
I dont understand the fascination with Sarah Palin. She ran they lost. The LEFT is childish in trying to destroy her? Why bother? Plain has no office and is basically a commentator. So whats the fear you fools on the LEFT have? You dont like her? TOUGH I dont like most of MSNBC but I know how to change the channel. LOL.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | November 16, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am
It’s the no prisoners no BS feature of Sarah Palin that strikes fear into the hearts of the press which stirs up BS and and the incumbent politicians from both parties who initiate BS. Opposing government corruption is her strength. Small wonder so many try to discredit her. She’s an out of control truthsayer.
As for inclusion of abortion in healthcare coverage…abortion is an elective procedure. Elective procedures are almost universally denied coverage. If you want an abortion it’s legal but be prepared pay for it out of pocket if it’s important to you. Otherwise we’ll end up paying for botox injections and breast augmentations.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 16, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am
I think the thing that bothers me most about Sarah Palin is that she doesn’t represent women well.
Posted by: Sharonkathleen | November 16, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Sorry Dave: her “first” impressions proved her to be a chronic liar, and a nitwit. She’s still a nitwit. What is scary is that there are republican nutjobs who admire this liar. What could you possibly see in her. By the way, nobody is afraid of this kook who would set herself on fire to get attention. A stupider woman can’t be found.
Posted by: leogorky | November 16, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Until she loses her “beauty queen” attitude, she will never be taken seriously in politics. What grown woman of her age wears her hair like she’s still a beauty queen. Get with the program.
Posted by: mjinmd | November 16, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Chicagobob: the left isn’t trying to destroy her; she does a good job of that herself. It’ll be fun to see her continued self-destruction. After all, she hasn’t added IQ point since her first 15 mins of fame. Why people are fascinated by a chronic liar who can’t even name a book she has read (hopefully she’s read her own after whoever wrote it wrote it).
Posted by: leogorky | November 16, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Jim Rod: you silly republicans keep saying everyone is afraid of her..huh? Not true..if you had the capability to engage in critical thinking, you’d know that your statement is ridiculous. No one is afraid of a moron.
Posted by: leogorky | November 16, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am
I’m not aware of any American, male or female who has made a more positive impression in their first appearance than Sarah Palin. Her admirers are both male and female and from both political partys and I think that she can do just about anything she wants, including becoming President. If Obama could do it with no qualifications, she certainly can with her superior background.
Posted by: Ron | November 16, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Sara
Palin sold her private jet and fired the private chef to relieve the taxpayers. She fought corruption head on, while BO was in bed with it.
You obamabots never cease to amaze me. You turn a blind eye to BO’s LOOONG list of shady friendships with Rev Racist, bill ayers, Tony rezko, rashid khalidi, ACORN, (who all have one thing in common- they HATE America).
He was involved in a backalley deal with now convicted felon and slumlord tony rezko to obtain a 2 million dollar mansion for himself. But somehow you obamabots are still mesmerized by his “hope and change” crap.
He is a liar and an anti-American socialist, but somehow you people just don’t care.
I heard michelle obama has double the amount of personal aides that laura bush had. The obamas want to make us all serfs and yet you are still blindly devoted to him.
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Palin’s favor ability has moved little even as the president has slipped back to reality. And her behavior has continued to be completely removed from what Americans want and expect from presidential candidates.
She had better think about a long-term TV or book career, because she will never be president…
Posted by: matt | November 16, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Matt
You said “her behavior has continued to be completely removed from what Americans want and expect from presidential candidates.”
Do you know who else was going on oprah in 2006 and writing books? Barry Obama.
Who would have thought that a little ol’ socialist from chicago’s political slums would be president?
PALIN 2012
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am
I’m certainly not obsessed with Palin as a politician. I am however impressed with her ability to ignore special interests, corporate America and both political parties in the interest of advocating what she feels is best for the preservation of this nation and the overall good of its people. That would be adherence to the provisions of the constitution, a firm grasp on the concepts of right and wrong, and the exposure and removal of the corruption that infects party politics. Political incorrectness is having its moment and people are responding favorably. To many of us in the middle her lack of political correctness is her greatest asset. Presidential material? Not. Thought provoker? Definitely. That’s what all you left and right wing nuts and the press should fear from her, the ability to attract and open the eyes of the fickle unaffiliated 40% that simply wants the balance afforded by centrist thought.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 16, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
To many of us a pig with lipstick is better than the pig in a poke we bought in 2008.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 16, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
mmonroeliveson
How can you say that she is not presidential material?
Just look at the long list of past presidents who got to that positiion simply by being born into families who had already wealth/political power.
Palin has been systematically crucified by the largest media outlets in the world since last year, and she is still standing. She is tough, plain and simple. They keep trying to destroy her but she fights back twice as hard.
She fought corruption HEAD on in Alaska. She went after both republicans and democrats (some even went to jail) who were screwing the people, and she is not presidential material?
She led by example when she eliminated luxuries typically enjoyed by politicians.
She is 100% presidential material.
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 11:57 am 11:57 am
No one has charged Palin with being the sharpest tool in the shed. Palin, has one thing going for her. Her good looks. Beyond her good looks there is little intellectual substance. Palin, like great athletes get to skate by solely on their physical assets. We are a country of varying beiefs. In certain areas all you need to say to be considered electable to office is I’m proplife, anti government and pro guns.
Qualificatins beyond that are not nearly as important. palin went to 4-5 different colleges to earn her degree. Prersidents, more than any other elected officials need to think and respond quickly on their feet, while chewing gum, and thinking about two wars, a bad economy, and how to get the bills he sponsors passed. Palin has proven her inability to think on her feet. When asked the simplest of questions during interviews, Palin looked and answered like a deer in the headlights of an on coming 16 wheeler. Yes she is very pretty. Her positions on abortion and guns is a big plus to keep her base happy. Beyond abortion, her looks, and a favorable position on assault wepaons. Exactly what does she have that makes her worthy of holding the srongest position in the world. Sarah Palin is so under qualified to be president it’s scary. My solace ciomes from the fact her short comings are recognized by all. When it comes to her possible presidency. Dems. Repubs., I’s, all understand and stand together. They all just say no. Notin my life time.
SECREG_756
Posted by: secreg756 | November 16, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Chicago Bob, what is the diference between MSNBC and FOX?
SECREG_756
Posted by: secreg756 | November 16, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Here is a plain fact. Sarah Palin has no poltical credibility. She QUIT the governorship of Alaska to make moey on the tallking circuit and have a book about her life in politics ghost written. Is this the substance US Presidents are made of? Anyone who believes she shoulod be president of the US is in the very minor part, of the minority.
SECREG_756
Posted by: secreg756 | November 16, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
secreg756
Palin out debated a 35 year sitting senator in front of 70 million people, and that was all because she is attractive? She also delivered one of the best RNC speeches of all time, again in front millions of people, and that was due to her looks? Riiight..
She attended 5 colleges because she had to pay for her schooling herself and she had to find ways to keep the costs down.
The couric interview was cut and pasted in such a way to make her look ridiculous. The interview itself was over the course of 4 or 5 hours, but the limousine liberals at couric’s station only showed the 30 minutes that would portray in her in the most negative way.
Jeez, think for yourself for a change and quit simply absorbing what the media wants you to.
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
“I think that she can do just about anything she wants, including becoming President. If Obama could do it with no qualifications, she certainly can with her superior background.” – Ron
Please could you explain what you mean by Palin having a superior background than President Obama?
Posted by: New Wave | November 16, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Dave, you rang? SECREG756?
SECREG_756
Posted by: secreg756 | November 16, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
New Wave
Palin’s superior background consists of throwing corrupt democrats and republicans under the bus when she became gov. The only people Barry Obama has thrown under the bus are his white grandmother and his pastor of 20 years.
While Barry was raising the roof in rev racist’s church, Palin was taking on the oil companies and special interest groups. As a result of Palin, people were fired and/or went to jail.
Barry Obama, on the other hand, was in bed with corruption. He crawled out from the city in America known for its “pay to play” attitude, and yet there is NO record of him ever taking on this corruption. Instead, he used it to land himself a 2 million dollar mansion through a “sweetheart” deal with convicted felon tony rezko.
Wake up. Barry is as dirty as they come and without the media’s willful dishonesty, he would have been exposed a long time ago.
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Dave;
I base my opinion that she is not presidential material because she is not likely to get caught up in party politics. She is a free thinker. Rogue describes her well. Like most people who are not from major cities she has enjoyed the luxury of not having to comply with the demands of a backstabbing desperate interdependent inner city society in her thinking. The left wing has done so much to damage her credibility it would be very difficult for her to become president if there was an election in the near future. Nonetheless Obama was able to buy the presidency by a narrow margin over an inept candidate and an unpopular opposing party. In time, like all presidents, he too will become unpopular. I could be wrong about her being presidential material. Depends on how much advertising she can buy. Name recognition is the factor that ultimately wins elections. She’s off to a rip roaring start if becoming president is her goal.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 16, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Dave you posted, “Wake up. Barry is as dirty as they come and without the media’s willful dishonesty, he would have been exposed a long time ago.”
Who owns the Wall Street Journal, The NY Post, Business Daily, and Fox Entertainment? Do you know? The owner has called Obama, or Barry, as you prefer a racist and is committed to bringing down Obama’s presidency.
The real question is do you believe any of the above are reaql news agencies?
SECREG_756
Posted by: secreg756 | November 16, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
“we are never going to advance any further in race relations” – Dave
Change starts with the ‘Man in the Mirrow’. The tone in your posts certainly does not improve race relations. You can start by referring your ‘Barry’ as President Obama.
Posted by: New Wave | November 16, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
“yet there is NO record of him ever taking on this corruption”
C’mon Dave, I couldn’t care less if you hate Obama and any/all other Democrats, but at least get your facts straight.
In 1998, Obama passed the Illinois Gift Ban that prohibited legislators, state officers and employees, and judges from soliciting or receiving gifts from a person or entity with interests affected by government. The bill required that statements of economic interest be made publicly available. The bill required public disclosure of any campaign funds received over $50, including the employer and occupation for donations over $500. The bill required non-profits and those registered under the Lobbyist Registration Act, and who give or accept more than $5,000 annually to register which the State Board of Election. The bill proscribed how campaign funds could be used, including ending the practice of allowing politicians to use campaign funds for personal use. The bill banned a political committee from receiving funds on government property and prohibited fundraisers held in Springfield while the legislature was in session. The bill required “Paid For” language to be printed on campaign literature. The bill required electronic filing of campaign disclosure as soon as technologically possible. Obama said, “‘I have seen a general cynicism from taxpayers about government. They believe they have no influence on the process since they don’t have the money of special interest groups. With the gift ban and the ban on Springfield fund-raisers that are contained in this legislation, I think at least some of this confidence will be restored,’ the senator added.” The Chicago Tribune reported, “Gov. Jim Edgar signed into law Wednesday an ethics and campaign finance package heralded as the most sweeping good-government legislation in decades. The law also required greater campaign finance disclosure and limited the uses for which raised money could be spent.” [HB672, 3R P 52-4-1, 5/22/98; PA 90-0737, 8/12/98; Chicago Independent Bulletin, 6/4/98; Chicago Tribune, 8/13/98]
Posted by: gary | November 16, 2009, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Gary
I was talking about him speaking out against corrupt individuals (Blago, ACORN, Rev Racist, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko)or the chicao “pay to play” mentality. They were all his buddies.
Barry was ACORN’s lawyer in the 90′s (very honorable indeed).
Also, as I said earlier, he and his senate race campaign organizer Tony Rezko, entered into a backalley deal to secure the obamas with a 2 million dollar mansion. That’s a little bit of a contradiction to the lengthy post you just wrote, isn’t it?
Rezko is now sitting in a prison somewhere. He is a convicted slumlord. He is yet another “association” that Barry has never had to answer for.
Palin fought corruption, Barry was in bed with it.
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Dave- Knock, knock…Election 2008 has been over for over a year now. President Obama-Palin comparisons, however ridiculous, are a complete waste of time.
Let us know when Palin has learned to clearly stated what her position on key issues are. A ghostwriter cannot help with that.
Posted by: New Wave | November 16, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Palin out debated a 35 year sitting senator in front of 70 million people, and that was all because she is attractive?>>>>>YOU BELIEVE she out debated him. I don’t. A majority of the country didn’t believe she out debated him. She did out cute him, wink, wink!>>>If I recall, she started the debate by saying, I’m not gonna answer the questions you ask me, pretty crazy stuff, coming from a VP candidate. No one has ever behaved in that manner before her>>>It is She also delivered one of the best RNC speeches>>>she is pretty and an articulate speech maker, agreed>>>> and that was due to her looks?>>>>I think partially, yes.If she looked like Golda Mier, no one would have listened!>>>>She attended 5 colleges because she had to pay for her schooling herself and she had to find ways to keep the costs down.>>>>she is not the brightest tool in the shed>>>her work ethic at the college level is commendables>> She may not be ridiculous.But, she is ridiculously unqualified to be president. Please vote for her. Tell all your friends to vote for her if she gets nominatec, please!>>>> The interview itself was over the course of 4 or 5 hours, but the limousine liberals at couric’s station only showed the 30 minutes that would portray in her in the most negative way.>>>OK, the liberal media does not defend right wing, and the right wing media does not support a liberal. The difference is one may paste and cut. While the other is a snarling, group of vicious attak dogs.>>>Jeez, think for yourself for a change and quit simply absorbing what the media wants you to>>>You have got to be kidding me. I read both sides of the issue. I can’t watch Hannity and Beck. I can’t watch Ed.>>>You should not suggest I have sipped from the cool aide bowl.>>>> Obama is doing a very good job underextremely difficult circumstances. If we go full bore into Afghanastan, and don’t get a strong public option bill passed. I will not vote for Obama in 2012. Republicans know that there are many of us I’s who voted for change. He loses us unless he gets results. I wouldn’t vote for palin if she was running against Lassie.
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Posted by: secreg756 | November 16, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
SECREG_756
The Lassie comparison to Palin is ridiculous and it undermines your whole argument.
Bottom line, Palin is more qualified to lead this country then our current president (he has never even managed a hot dog stand) ever will be. He went from college to rev racist’s church to trial lawyer to senator to president.
He is a product of pay to play and his days are going to be done playing in the White House come 2012.
Palin could very well send him back to the political slums he was created in.
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Obama was never “ACORN’s lawyer”. He assisted on one case when ACORN hired the law firm that employed Obama.
Tony Rezko was not “senate race campaign organizer”, he contributed money to his campaign(s).
Obama didn’t need any assistance buying his mansion, seeing as he already had one bestselling book already out and another in the pipeline (for which he had just received a $1.9 million advance).
Posted by: gary | November 16, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
I’ve been away for awhile, but the Hucksters “Dave” and “monroeliveson” have now taken “Center Stage” for the hard-right-edge-radicals. Daves rants seem to “lack substance” and have become more porous.
“monroe” continues on his strategy to try to “remake himself” into what he thinks others should see him as.
And as for “monroe’s” teaser, wherein he said; “To many of us in the middle” (politically.) This guy’s the most outlandish Fraud. (So watch him real closely……. he ‘slips up’ frequently.)
And ‘monroe the Independent (moderate center) you referenced at about 40% of the voting population. The actual percentage is really More Realistically near 30% – for Independent Moderates. Republican’ts about 23% and
Democrats about 47%.
Trustworthiness is an important character trait……. work on that
Posted by: bobj72 | November 16, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
I’ve been away for awhile, but the Hucksters “Dave” and “monroeliveson” have now taken “Center Stage” for the hard-right-edge-radicals. Daves rants seem to “lack substance” and have become more porous.
“monroe” continues on his strategy to try to “remake himself” into what he thinks others should see him as.
And as for “monroe’s” teaser, wherein he said; “To many of us in the middle” (politically.) This guy’s the most outlandish Fraud. (So watch him real closely……. he ‘slips up’ frequently.)
And ‘monroe the Independent (moderate center) you referenced at about 40% of the voting population. The actual percentage is really More Realistically near 30% – for Independent Moderates. Republican’ts about 23% and
Democrats about 47%.
Trustworthiness is an important character trait……. work on that
Posted by: bobj72 | November 16, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Gary
If believing what you just posted helps you sleep at night, that’s great.
Forgive me if Barry’s past is more then a little disturbing to me, and if the simplistic fairy tale answers he has given just don’t suffice.
Barry’s campaign gave $1,000,000 to ACORN and his stimulus bill directed $8,000,000,000.00 more to go to them. When he went on his media blitz on sunday, one person, just one, asked about the ACORN scandal. Stephanopoulos asked about why the stimulus had granted ACORN billions more. Barry replied “I was unaware that they were getting that money”. LIE
When Bill O’Reilly asked Barry what he thought of the horrific things being spewed by rev racist, barry replied “I was unaware those things were being said”. LIE
When the chicago newspaper asked Barry about the sweetheart deal he and Rezko were involved with, Barry replied “that was a boneheaded idea”. LIE
When Barry was asked about why he was friends with Bill ayers (the man who gave Barry a party at his house for his senate campaign) Barry replied “I was unaware that he committed those despicable acts”. LIE
He is a liar and demagogue.
Posted by: Dave | November 16, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
According to the Washington Examiner (a subsidiary of the neo-conservative opinion magazine, The Weekly Standard), ACORN has received a total of $53 million in federal money since 1994. Or, $3.5 million a year.
So forgive me for thinking your $8 billion claim is a lie.
Posted by: gary | November 16, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Voter, they book is not even out, yet you already has read it???????? Or do you believe anything they tell you.
Posted by: Lizzie | November 16, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
“gary”; You’re absolutely right! – CBS, Sept. 15, 2009 notes a Website tracking Government grants at the same figure. (And that’s been pretty widely known;)
ACORN received Grants from the Government totaling $53 million since 1994. Or $3.53 million a year.
The MOST IMPORTANT POINT here is this “Dave” guy is quoting a figure that’s 150 TIMES GREATER Than the Actual Amount awarded to ACORN OVER FIFTEEN (15) YEARS!!! Those Zealots COMM0NLY USE LIES to make their arguments.
Posted by: bobj72 | November 16, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Posted by: leogorky | Nov 16, 2009 11:06:29 AM
When palin appeared on the scene the left got so scared and wanted her destroyed and people like you, who hate woman, went along with it, all it shows is that you have no brain to think for yourself. Because if you believe that Pres. Obama and his Chicago machine is better in the WH then anyone else, just proves my point.
Posted by: Lizzie | November 16, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Lizzie | Nov 16, 2009 4:06:58 PM
“Lizzie”; You said; … “Because if you believe that Pres. Obama and his Chicago machine is better in the WH then anyone else, just proves my point.”
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Help me understand, It can’t be his SMARTS, It can’t be his LEADERSHIP SKILLS, It can’t be his CHARISMA and It surely can’t be his ORATORY SKILLS that you would QUESTION. So what is it that you would question – about his attributes that would cause you to think “Just Anyone Could Become President?”
Posted by: bobj72 | November 16, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm