By Gorman Gorman

Nov 18, 2009 8:29am

Story of Jobs: Administration Faces Credibility Gap, as Talk Grows of New Stimulus

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Any chance that creating job creation can count as a created job?

The stimulus package, that early presidential victory that’s cost so much, has provided President Obama with its own set of headaches at every step along the way.

There was the way it was enacted. Then the speed with which it’s been implemented. Later came the projects that were never going to really fit comfortably under the stimulus umbrella.

The problem again this week is salesmanship — and how the administration can get the public to trust its numbers when some of them are so laughably, horribly wrong.

It’s not just an exercise in spin: This debate rages while talk starts on Capitol Hill of another stimulus measure — except it can’t be called a “stimulus” this time. (If you have to ask why, you aren’t paying attention.)

The administration asked for this — dare we say, literally asked for this — with promises of actual job totals and new accountability and oversight mechanisms, all with Sheriff Joe Biden at the helm.

They’re growing anxious on Capitol Hill. Attorney General Eric Holder is in for a tough day of questioning Wednesday, on Gitmo and 9/11 trials. The Recovery Board’s Earl Devaney gets his day Thursday. Plans for Fort Hood hearings should come into focus soon.

In the meantime, there’s the Afghanistan policy that still isn’t — plus the Senate health care bill that isn’t yet, either — and new debt numbers to tower over all of it.

(Not bad for Sarah Palin week — though there’s plenty of her around, too. She bringing a taste of Jeremiah Wright, plus a tea party flavor, back with her, as her book tour starts Wednesday in that roguishly vogue locale of Grand Rapids, Mich. More on that, from the latest piece of Barbara Walters’ interview, below.)

On inconsistencies in job numbers, the sheriff speaks. Vice President Joe Biden, on “The Daily Show” Tuesday: “Look, the bottom line is that we do check [data sent to the federal government]. But what happens is the initial report comes in cold. We don’t — of the 130,000 reports that come in as to what they did with the money, we’re now going through it.”

“We have now, of that Recovery Act, we’ve been in business seven, eight months. The one thing you haven’t seen is that old thing about the dog that hasn’t barked. You haven’t seen these big, wasteful projects. No one’s come up with anything where we’ve gone out there and spent $2 million on something that didn’t exist,” Biden said, per ABC’s Steven Portnoy.

For now, congressional districts that don’t exist — there are more of them cited at Recovery.gov than the genuine article — will suffice.

The Recovery Board says it can’t and won’t certify the numbers posted at Recovery.gov — and can’t even tell lawmakers who’s failed to report jobs data, since there’s no “master list” yet. “No, I am not able to make this certification,” Earl Devaney, the chairman of the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, writes in a letter to Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., provided to The Note.

Issa, in a Washington Examiner op-ed: “Apparently, somebody is messing with Joe. Or even worse, Joe seems to be messing with us. … The manifest inaccuracies in the data the Obama administration uses to justify its economic policies constitutes the promulgation of inaccurate and misleading information by the federal government.”

A vow to fix: “The first time out, we knew there were going to be problems,” Edward DeSeve, special advisor to the president on the stimulus bill, told ABC’s Jonathan Karl. “We don’t think there are a lot of them. There are less than 1 percent in terms of the recent concern about congressional districts of the overall reports. And we’ve got a good commitment from the recovery board to work with us to fix them.”

Karl reports: “Officials tell ABC News, so far, they have found 700 mistakenly credited congressional districts out of more than 130,000 stimulus grants.”

For the record, there are 435 real congressional districts: “Researchers at the Franklin Center for Government & Public Integrity found 440 ‘phantom districts’ listed on Recovery.gov, consuming $6.4 billion and creating or saving nearly 30,000 jobs,” the Washington Times’ Amanda Carpenter writes.

Should they have counted on this? “It is worth asking whether the administration’s problem stems primarily from its decision to provide the numbers in the first place,” Alec MacGillis reports in The Washington Post. “As it is, the administration has left itself open to near-daily assaults on the credibility of the jobs numbers. Finding flaws in the data is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel, and reporters have been all too happy to fire away — first reporting the numbers with fanfare when they are announced, despite all their obvious shortcomings, and then, days or weeks later, reporting that they are not entirely sound.”

The noise is bipartisan: “Less than two weeks after calling for a second financial boost to stimulate job creation, Rep. Dave Obey chided the Obama administration for reporting errors on the first economic recovery package,” Gannett’s Larry Bivins reports. Obey tells Jonathan Karl: “Fix the problem, the blessed problem, so that we’re getting accurate information. I don’t care what people’s bureaucratic niceties are, or how hard it is to do it.”

The context for what’s next: “In the absence of details, fiscally conservative Democrats are torn between adding to long-term debt and more proactive efforts to stem unemployment, which hit 10.2 percent last month,” Roll Call’s Jennifer Bendery and Steven T. Dennis report. “Blue Dog Co-Chairman Baron Hill (D-Ind.) said he would ‘probably not’ support any stimulus bill unless it was paid for with funds earmarked for the $787 billion stimulus package in February.”

Warning signs, in the new Quinnipiac University poll: “President Barack Obama’s job approval rating is 48 – 42 percent, the first time he has slipped below the 50 percent threshold nationally, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.  Support for the war in Afghanistan and approval of President Obama’s handling of the war also is down in the last month, and Republican support for the war is more than twice as strong as Democratic support.”

“Increasingly, the President finds himself with two different coalitions, one that backs him on domestic matters and a completely different one that backs him on Afghanistan.  That could create a challenge to his considerable political skills,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

New numbers from the ABC News/Washington Post poll: “Support for the war in Afghanistan has ebbed to a new low in ABC News/Washington Post polls, with concerns over strategy and broad doubts about the reliability of the Afghan government leaving Americans sharply divided on where to go from here,” ABC’s Gary Langer reports. “Just 44 percent now say the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting, the fewest in a question dating to early 2007.”

Plugging the leaks: “President Barack Obama says he is angry about leaks from his deliberations on more troops for Afghanistan, and said he considers such disclosures a firing offense,” per Politico’s Mike Allen and Josh Gerstein. “Obama, during a round of four network interviews before he left China for South Korea, told Chip Reid of CBS News: ‘[W]e have these deliberations in the Situation Room for a reason – because we are making decisions that are life-and-death, that affect how our troops will be able to operate in a theater of war.’ ”

“Firing offense?” Reid asks. “Absolutely,” says the president.

Obama, to CNN’s Ed Henry, on Afghanistan: “My preference would be not to hand off anything to the next president.”

More from Sarah Palin: “Good Morning America” Wednesday had the latest piece of her interview with Barbara Walters.

On why she thinks the campaign should have gone after Obama over his association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright: “I think it’s unfortunate that too many people in politics right now want to be so politically correct, that they dare not question a person’s associations, because they would fear that they would be called a racist? That’s that political correctness that’s going to do our country in, and I — I don’t subscribe to that.”

She added: “And we did go with the strategy. And we lost. And that’s fine.”

On learning lessons after supporting the first bank bailout, in fall 2008: “Now we have learned, too, it didn’t fulfill the promises that were made by Congress, and by the White House, that bailing out these businesses that were ‘too big to fail.’  That did not put our economy back on the right track. So we learn from our mistakes.”

The rallying cry: “The tea party movement, beautiful. More power to these people who are showing up there and at town hall meetings. Tea party movement is that movement that is the voice, the platform, for those principles.” 

And whether the president should include women in his hoops games: “I have looked in those photo ops for a couple of women, haven’t seen ‘em yet.  Yes I do, yes. … He would smoke me if we were on opposite teams.”

Palin also addresses the critique that she hasn’t done her homework, when in comes to conservative thinking: “She said she has read some of the foundational stuff, but she sees no need to focus on the old writings,” RedState.com’s Erick Erickson reports, after his interview with Palin. “She likes ‘the modern stuff too.’ Her preference is policy and application, focusing on writers who are not just following up on foundational conservative ideas, but applying those ideas too.”

(Obama responds, to CBS’ Chip Reid: “It’s probably not the person I look to do see how our administration is doing.”)

The president has wrapped up the China portion of his trip, and flies from Beijing to Seoul, Korea — the last stop in his four country tour of Asia, per ABC’s Sunlen Miller.

“It gives you a perspective on a lot of day to day things that don’t amount to much,” the president said at the Great Wall of China, ABC’s Jake Tapper reports.

Plus: “Before President Obama met with Chinese President and Paramount Leader Hu Jintao after arriving in Beijing, he squeezed in a brief family reunion of sorts with his half brother, Mark Okoth Obama Ndesandjo,” ABC’s Jake Tapper, Sunlen Miller and Karen Travers report. “Ndesandjo shares a father with the president– the late Barack Obama Sr. who separated from the president’s mother when Obama was two, and married Ndesandjo’s mother, American Ruth Nidesand, who runs a kindergarten in Nairobi, Kenya.”

“I’m just thinking of seeing my big brother, and it was a good feeling — a great feeling,” Ndesandjo told Tapper, on “GMA” Wednesday.

Enough get done? “President Barack Obama was set to leave China on Wednesday after an awkward summit with some achievements but a long list of unfinished business — a result that suggests challenges ahead for the U.S. as it struggles to come to terms with Asia’s increasingly assertive superpower,” Jonathan Weisman and Ian Johnson report for The Wall Street Journal.

“On topics like Iran (Mr. Hu did not publicly discuss the possibility of sanctions), China’s currency (he made no nod toward changing its value) and human rights (a joint statement bluntly acknowledged that the two countries ‘have differences’), China held firm against most American demands,” Helene Cooper reports in The New York Times. “With China’s micro-management of Mr. Obama’s appearances in the country, the trip did more to showcase China’s ability to push back against outside pressure than it did to advance the main issues on Mr. Obama’s agenda.”

Attorney General Eric Holder’s interesting Wednesday: “Today, his job gets even more difficult,” per USA Today’s Kevin Johnson. “In an appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Holder most likely will face difficult questions not only about his decision in the Mohammed case but also about whether federal investigators mishandled information about the Fort Hood shooting suspect’s contacts with a radical cleric months before the Nov. 5 massacre.”

Setting a tone for the day — Michael Gerson, in his Washington Post column: “In exchange for a marginal public relations advantage, America will be subjected to the airing of intelligence sources and methods, to the posturing of mass murderers fully aware of their terrorist star power, to the possibility of mistrial and procedural acquittal, and to an increased threat of revenge attacks against New York.”

More fodder: “President Obama directly acknowledged for the first time on Wednesday that the prison facility at Guantanamo Bay will not close by the January deadline he set, but he said he hoped to still achieve that goal sometime next year. Obama refused, however, to set a new deadline,” Anne E. Kornblut reports, in The Washington Post. “In an interview with Fox News’ Major Garrett in the Chinese capital, Obama claimed he was ‘not disappointed’ that the Guantanamo deadline had slipped, saying he ‘knew this was going to be hard.’ ”

On health care — if and when there’s actually a bill: “Senator Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska, says he is not sure he is ready to help a Democratic health care proposal clear even the most preliminary hurdle: gaining the 60 votes his party’s leaders need to open debate on the measure later this week,” The New York Times’ Carl Hulse reports. “Two of his fellow Democrats, Senators Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, are proving tough sells as well, raising the prospect that one or perhaps all three of them could scuttle the bill before the fight over it even begins on the Senate floor.”

“As soon as we get the bill, we’ll share it with everyone,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., still hopeful for an initial vote this week, per ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf.

Bloomberg’s Laura Litvan and Kristin Jensen: “A Senate aide familiar with Reid’s final bill said one proposal the legislation is likely to include would be the creation of a federally run long-term care insurance plan dubbed the ‘Class Act’ by its original sponsors, the late Senator Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, and former Senator Michael DeWine, an Ohio Republican.”

An the abortion issue — it’s Stupak vs. DeGette, in the race to count votes: “I think he won’t have the votes when people explain to … those members exactly what the Stupak amendment does,” Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., said on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” Tuesday.

Turkey Day comes early to the East Front of the Capitol Wednesday morning. From the release: “Patients First, a project of Americans for Prosperity, will be on Capitol Hill tomorrow alongside a six foot talking turkey to demonstrate against the government takeover of America’s health care system…. The Giant Turkey, known as Butterball, is also helping to demonstrate that Americans nationwide are encouraged to contact their legislators and talk turkey on Wednesday, November 18, from noon until 3pm to voice their sheer lack of support for government-run healthcare and that the current legislation makes for a very bad healthcare bill.”

On the other side — Americans United for Change is going up with a new ad defending 13 House members targeted by the 60 Plus Association. From the ad: “Insurance companies know the reform bill would stop them from raising premiums and stop them from denying coverage when you’re sick.”

To the surprise of just about no one: “Senate Democratic leaders said Tuesday they would put off debate on a big climate-change bill until spring, in a sign of weakening political will to tackle a long-term environmental issue at a time of high unemployment and economic uncertainty,” Ian Talley writes in The Wall Street Journal. “Legislation on health care, overhauling financial markets and job creation will be considered before the Senate takes up a measure to cap emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases linked to climate change, Senate Democratic leaders said Tuesday.”

In Connecticut — call this a smackdown. “Superstar” Billy Graham takes on Senate candidate Linda McMahon, R-Conn.: “She may look like a Sunday school teacher,” Graham tells the Hartford Courant’s Christopher Keating. “Linda McMahon’s hands are as bloody as her husband’s because she is aware of every move in the ring.”

In New York — not a candidate yet, but he may have a running mate (in Bill Thompson?): “Quietly plotting his campaign for governor, Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo and his advisers have been discussing potential candidates to run alongside him, to present the most appealing Democratic ticket to the electorate,” Danny Hakim reports for The New York Times.

Intriguing study, reported in USA Today: “Lt. Gen. Gary McKissock … is one of at least 158 retired admirals and generals the Pentagon has hired to offer advice under an unusual arrangement. Most of the retired officers, one to four stars in rank, have been paid hundreds of dollars an hour by the military even as they worked for companies seeking Defense Department contracts, a USA TODAY investigation found. That’s in addition to pensions of $100,000 to $200,000 a year for officers with 30 or more years of service.”

And David Plouffe’s claim about John Edwards seeking to cut a deal with either Obama or Hillary Clinton, to team up and beat the other candidate? True, Greg Sargent reports. “Plouffe’s account is accurate,” an Edwards adviser tells Sargent. “We had conversations about the possibility of combining the campaigns into a ticket. The way he wrote it is right. His description is entirely accurate.”

The Kicker:

“I’m not gonna sit down and shut. That’s why I resigned.” — Sarah Palin, to Erick Erickson.

“He would smoke me if we were on opposite teams.” — Palin, to Barbara Walters, on the prospect of playing basketball with President Obama.

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User Comments

(Congressman David)Obey tells Jonathan Karl: “Fix the problem, the blessed problem, so that we’re getting accurate information. I don’t care what people’s bureaucratic niceties are, or how hard it is to do it.”
Congessman Obey, you and your cohorts in Washington DC ARE the problem to be fixed!! DON’T YOU GET IT????

Posted by: MNResident | November 18, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am

So where’s the REAL money that was spent on these FAKE jobs? When does THAT investigation begin?

Posted by: leadfoott2 | November 18, 2009, 9:09 am 9:09 am

The taxpayers of this country had a
trillion dollars ripped off and sold
as a job stimulus package. I am waiting
for the outrage and investigation on
how this happened. On top of that, the
Recovery website has the nerve to throw
figures out there that are non-existent
and think that the public is too stupid
to even question this. What our government
has done is no different than what
Madoff did and we cannot turn a blind
eye to this either. How about stepping
up to the challenge and show what a
scandal this is ABC????

Posted by: wis134 | November 18, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am

A good read Sir, and I was very surprised to find it here.
Looks more like something out of TNR or AmSpec. Keep up the real journalism.
And yes, this administration is very troubling in it’s constant resort to out right lies and bungled cover ups.
After Bush and Clinton, we need a break from the shennanigans from these corrupt lifelong politicians on both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: Gibberish | November 18, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am

It’s all smoke and mirrors folks. If WE allow them another round of spending a TRILLION dollars with no accountability, then all is lost.

Posted by: indymind | November 18, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

The administration asked for this — dare we say, literally asked for this — with promises of actual job totals and new accountability and oversight mechanisms, all with Sheriff Joe Biden at the helm.
excerpts from Rick Klein article.
Me thinks,We need a new Sheriff in town. The Democrats are in serious trouble with their inflated job numbers and still insist that the numbers they reported are correct.In 2010 we can correct this problem.

Posted by: Johnny L | November 18, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

“So where’s the REAL money that was spent on these FAKE jobs? When does THAT investigation begin?”
leadfoott2 | Nov 18, 2009 9:09:03 AM
As Biden pointed out, there is absolutely no evidence of real money going to fake jobs, or planting dead trees, or other boondoggles – and you can be VERY sure that every Republican is looking like crazy for a case of fraud or stupid spending. (Indeed, all the safeguards against fraud and waste have seriously slowed down the disbursement of the stimulus.)

Posted by: jhw539 | November 18, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am

Again ABC fails in the opportunity to ask the V.P. the tough questions. How much did your suit cost? Who paid for that suit? Don’t you think the pants are a little tight? And what is the heel size on those high heels? Could he see Europe from Delaware? And all of America is wondering his opinion on the Clinton doctrine concerning infidelity.

Posted by: jerry | November 18, 2009, 9:27 am 9:27 am

I guess his new perspective is why in his most recent interview from China he said, “if we keep on adding to the debt, even in the midst of this recovery, at some point, people could lose confidence in the U.S. economy in a way that could actually lead to a double-dip recession” and “There may be some tax provisions that can encourage businesses to hire sooner rather than sitting on the sidelines. So we’re taking a look at those.” Looks like he got a dose of reality from the Chinese, and it sounds an awful lot like what the Republicans have been saying all along.

Posted by: common_sense_1 | November 18, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Take on the challenge ABC News and get
on the investigation of this scandal.
Break from coddling this administration
and start looking out for the citizens
of this country. Come on…you can do
it.

Posted by: wis134 | November 18, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Biden said that corporate america does not know how to run business?? Like he does huh and Obama. This administration has put us in debt for nothing. There is no gain but for the pals of Obama who are now millionaires.

Posted by: Jim Rod | November 18, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Biden said that corporate america does not know how to run business?? Like he does huh and Obama. This administration has put us in debt for nothing. There is no gain but for the pals of Obama who are now millionaires.
Change the names of the principals from Biden and Bush, to Cheney and Bush and you could say this was the case for eight years….
We need to give Obama a chance. He is working very hard trying to fix a mess.
At least he is not trying to blame the media and McCain and McCain’s people for all of his problems.
He also wants to think things through before he bungles them like the previous administration! How refreshing, a president, who thinks!

Posted by: stillhashope | November 18, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Sorry, I meant to say Biden and Obama, to Cheney and Bush…..I guess I should edit it twice. LOL

Posted by: stillhashope | November 18, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am

Why would we trust them with health care. How many time will people show up on claims that did not get service. Then get rejected due to a real need because there are bogus points levied against them actually getting service. Appointees are not experts on anything and will grab their bribes then move on for the next appointed crony in line. Legislation can be repealed; bad management is not elected but appointed then falls off the political radar when the elected officials move on.

Posted by: TX_MBell | November 18, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Now for those of you who cannot seem to remember about past administrations, if I remember correctly, we were just “spoonfed” numbers with NO attempt of transparency. And if I am not mistaken again, it was transparency that caught these mistakes. Wake up people and quit responding to partisan soundbites! We either want change for the direction and vision of our country’s future or we don’t. It is the “mental midgets” who are responding emotionally to partisan soundbites that are threatening our country’s future, not this administration.

Posted by: CND FOX | November 18, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am

“Why would we trust them with health care.”
Yes, and of course we can trust our private health care insurance. They would never let us down. Oh, and they don’t have their lobbyists out there with their hands out or bribes! LOL
Geez, people! I hope none of you really need your current health care. Check on line, on how many people were dumped by their healthcare plan, because they got sick! How dare them, actually need the healthcare after paying for it!

Posted by: stillhashope | November 18, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am

cnd fox keep telling yourself that

Posted by: natale from mass. | November 18, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am

OH! There he is! I was wondering where this guy was hiding out. I guess they let him say something?

Posted by: LongT | November 18, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Wow, well said, CND FOX! People like you help me to continue having hope….for our future.
Sometimes, the “fast-food” mentality of our people really scares me. Yes, it taste good and relieves our hunger, but eventually kills us in the long run. There are no fast fixes to our problems.

Posted by: stillhashope | November 18, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am

jhw539–”As Biden pointed out, there is absolutely no evidence of real money going to fake jobs, or planting dead trees, or other boondoggles – and you can be VERY sure that every Republican is looking like crazy for a case of fraud or stupid spending. (Indeed, all the safeguards against fraud and waste have seriously slowed down the disbursement of the stimulus.)”—-
Wow, you never cease to amaze me with your posts.. unemployment is at a 27 year high and climbing. The WH has announced themselves that the “simulus” has done about all that it is going to do. Even if you throw out the obvious errors like “created jobs” in congressional districts that do not exist and just concentrate on other so called success stories, you find entries for jobs saved that exceed the total workforce of the reporting entity, you find examples of $50 k per year jobs “saved” at a cost of @$250,000 per job (dividing the number of jobs saved by the amount of stimulus spent).. This plan is a total failure but you still defend it.
What exactly willit take for you to see that this administration is doing all the WRONG things.. or will a post like that cause you to lose YOUR job as a web-shill for the Obama administration. What do you get paid to hand out the kool-aid anyway??

Posted by: arkie vet | November 18, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

arkie vet! Are you kidding us? Really, like the current unemployment just started since January?! The downward spiral took awhile to establish itself. I couldn’t find a job, last year in 08!
McCain didn’t even know there was a financial crises in August 08, I did.

Posted by: stillhashope | November 18, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

These are all legal districts in the 57 states Obama ran for during the election. They were staffed and votes taken by Acorn members. So everyone just quit complaining.

Posted by: wjss75606 | November 18, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am

I think it’s funny rightwingers claim they want a smaller government when it comes to healthcare, but, at the same time, they want a government that creates jobs that would not otherwise exist. Apparently, the ‘Free Market’ is a holy ideal when it comes to protecting corporate profits over the population’s health, but not when it a operates, as nature intended, to cut inefficient workers and industries from the system.
Hypocrisy, thy name is rightwing American ideology.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 18, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

CND FOX- “Now for those of you who cannot seem to remember about past administrations, if I remember correctly, we were just “spoonfed” numbers with NO attempt of transparency. And if I am not mistaken again, it was transparency that caught these mistakes”—–
CND — please enlighten all of us who are in the dark.. Give a few examples of incorrect numbers that the last administration “spoonfed” to us? I mean, after all, if they did half of what this administration is doing (The Healthcare bill will reduce the deficit, Unemployment will not go above 8% if we pass the stimulus, We won’t raise taxes on 95% of Americans, etc…) then you should be able to give some glaring examples to support your statement..

Posted by: arkie vet | November 18, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

So where’s the REAL money that was spent on these FAKE jobs? When does THAT investigation begin? >>>> ITS PAYOLA. Check who got it and you will see some FAT democrats. Is there anything impeachable yet. I dont want to live with 3 more years of excuses and destructive management.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | November 18, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am

BS, it’s all BS.

Posted by: LongT | November 18, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am

stillhashope–”Geez, people! I hope none of you really need your current health care. Check on line, on how many people were dumped by their healthcare plan, because they got sick!” —
I can’t tell you how many people have lost their coverage due to illness — And I doubt you can either.. but I can tell you how many will lose their private coverage if the public option gets passed.. ALL OF THEM.. Obama said it himself.. “It may take 10 years or more, but the public option is the way to achieve single payer government coverage which I support”… But don’t worry, undr the government plan everything will be better.. why, just now we have learned that under a government plan, once you ladies have turned 50, you will be allowed to get in line to wait for a mammogram.. just not before…

Posted by: arkie vet | November 18, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Can someone direct me to where I can get an H1N1 vaccine? There seems to be a shortage in my town….

Posted by: Katrina | November 18, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

It’s not just “job creation” phoney numbers, O’Babble has fulfilled none of his campaign promises and has made a mess of everything he attempts. The guy has zero credibility.

Posted by: Ron | November 18, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am

“Give a few examples of incorrect numbers that the last administration “spoonfed” to us?”
They lied about the cost of the Iraq War, they failed to account for billions in missing funds from the Iraq War, they lied about the effect of the tax cuts on the deficit, they lied about tax cuts spurring job creation, they lied about how much of the tax cut went to the middle class, they lied about the cost of the Medicare prescription drug plan….

Posted by: gary | November 18, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am

“Give a few examples of incorrect numbers that the last administration “spoonfed” to us?”……….. THE PILL BILL. The absolutely lied to all of congress about the numbers and threatened a guy if he told the truth!

Posted by: secondlook | November 18, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

You forgot to mention the ridiculous waste on so many projects that were never even needed. Have money, will spend on something. I’d like a refund on some of these projects.

Posted by: Phil | November 18, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Ditto for the CBO cost estimates on Obama/Pelosi/Reid’s Health Care Reform Bill after Obama used Chicago style tactics to make sure the head of the CBO came up with the “correct” figures.
Lets see: Women under 50, Seniors over 65, Young folks, Small businesses, the Middle Class, and the ECONOMY will all be SCREWED if Obama/Pelosi/Reid get their Health Care Reform Bill passed. Women under 50 will be denied life saving mammograms via the government run rationing board who cares more about “cost effectiveness“ than saving peoples lives. Senior over 65 will have their Medicare cut by 500 billion which will result in devastating cuts to their services. Young folks will be FORCED to buy health insurance they can’t afford at twice the cost it would be prior to government run Health Care Reform. Small businesses will be FORCED to pay for health care insurance they can’t afford which will mean more layoffs. The Middle Class Health Care Insurance Premiums will all go up by 50% according to some studies. The US economy will collapse as taxes and deficit spending skyrockets as a result of all the big government spending programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and on top of that the biggest spending program of all, government run health care, all go bankrupt.

Posted by: James | November 18, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Arkievet…I think you need sime reminding here. Unemployment was high and on its way up when the current administration took over a little less than a year ago. Also, I think you need to read and quote some different “sources” concerning the “bailout and stimulus” packages. None other than Warren Buffettt and Bill Gates recently appeared on a public forum and “endorsed what the administration did to prevent “financial collapse”. Now even those who have lived “under a rock” for the past two decades should value what these two famous “entrepeneurs” have to say on this subject. Those of you who want to just spread misinformation, divisiveness and negativity are the real problem that this country is facing.

Posted by: CND FOX | November 18, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

ABC, don’t let FOX News beat you to the punch on this one. This is a first class scandal. May even be bigger than ACORN. Let’s get to the bottom of this.

Posted by: mike | November 18, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

James…Healthcare reform is going to pass with or without fearmongers and misiformationists like you. It is people with very small minds and lacking a grasp of reality and vision that are the problems. Now I have no idea how to change that. And Republican obstructionists (who only want to protect the rich industries involved) certainly do not want you to change your mode of thought. But for the sake of the middle class (which I am sure you are a part of) I hope you get better educated on this topic. Health care reform is a “concept” NOT a “soundbite”. That is why people like you and others that think like you get lost.

Posted by: CND FOX | November 18, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Great how the “note” sees fit to show a Jon Stewart segment that has him going after the Obama Administration but totally ignored the Stewart segment when FOX news was caught red handed last week when they deliberately doctored editing a health care rally crowd to make it look bigger than it really was. FOX lies and spins the news regularly to satisfy their viewers need to justify their hate and spitefulness for the loss in November. It really says something about America’s news media when a comedy channel host is more accurate, through, honest and balanced than any of the “mainstream” news and yes, FOXES is part of the mainstream news media right along with CNN and all the other network news.

Posted by: dan | November 18, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

I see Biden was on comedy central, how appropiate.

Posted by: jamescbuilder | November 18, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

White House says 70% of the 30% reported bad statics does not mean that 50% of the remainder is less than 10% true.SMoke and Mirrors Sheeple,just Smoke and Mirrors.

Posted by: strikerF | November 18, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

My favorite is the $300 road signs (yes, $300 EACH) that inform those passing by that they are looking at a stimulus project in effect. $300 would buy a decent amount of groceries for a family in need. $300 would cover an individual (or 2) for a doctor’s visit, or a dental checkup. $300 could help an out of work home owner pay their mortgage this month. $300 could put quite a bit of gasoline in the car of someone who needs to go out and look for a job.
But, hey, what’s more important-tooting the government horn with $300 APIECE road signs, or sincerely helping struggling Americans to get back on their feet?

Posted by: Shoe | November 18, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

I am astonished to read this report here. Kudos!! I will return to this site more frequently now that you’ve gotten your noses out of Obama’s rear.

Posted by: s hartman | November 18, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

I guess the Representative from South Carolina was right after-all. Mr. President – You Lie!

Posted by: Todd | November 18, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

CND, you truly stand head and shoulders above the rest of this crowd when it comes to the ceaseless repetition of ridiculous, false Obama administration talking points. Medicare turns down a far higher percentage of claims than private insurers. Where do you think that number will go when we are another trillion in debt to the Chinese trying to pay for lower quality health care administered by incompetent, inefficient, bungling bureaucrats?
Many of us are convinced that this administration’s sole goal is to destroy the American economy in order to usher in their brand of socialism/communism. Do you know why? It’s because no group of highly educated people could be as uniformly stupid and wrong as this administration has been without some clandestine and secret objective being behind the ineptitude. Considering the featured role Communism has played in Obama’s life, my money is on that as the ultimate goal for America. It isn’t even that heavily veiled of a goal if you’re willing to look into Zero’s past.

Posted by: Daugboy | November 18, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

I’ve got a new stimulus. Make the dang banks loan the money and break up “too big to fail.”

Posted by: secondlook | November 18, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

We need another Porkulous to cover the 7 states that got no money when the first fifty were bribed for the phony reports.
Maybe we should stimulate Canada too.
Get them to vote for O 2012.
Nothing is believeable from this bunch and the Repbumblecrats had better start acting like an opposition party to put a stop to this nonsense.

Posted by: Gibberish | November 18, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

think it’s funny rightwingers claim they want a smaller government when it comes to healthcare, but, at the same time, they want a government that creates jobs that would not otherwise exist.
Amy, Amy, Amy…. still up to the usual tricks.
We dont want the government to “create” jobs! We want the government to get OUT OF THE WAY REAL JOB CREATORS, the American people can do what they always do. You liberals “think” the government HAS to have so input into EVERYTHING!
They dont!
Wake up Honey, just over 11 months until this foolish experiment known as the Democratic majority goes bye-bye!

Posted by: Mike_C | November 18, 2009, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

It’s really embarrassing that so many people in this country really believe what politicians are telling us these days! And this administration is the biggest group of “LIARS” ever assembled. They continue to lie,day in and day out, and when they are caught, they just shrug it off and move on to the next! And no news agency even bothers to challenge them. Life is great! Isn’t it?

Posted by: al williams | November 18, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

BHO the Hoodwink Czar.
That is one job Obama did create, albeit for himself.

Posted by: J | November 18, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

As many have said, Election DO have consequences. Everyone is learning that for real NOW!

Posted by: Mike_C | November 18, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

The Obama administration is an unmitigated disaster so far, and these fools in the media spend all their time, money and credibility to continue hiding that fact.
Obama’s Government and his propoganda machine (liberal media) are the two worst institutions in the world and they are destroying this country

Posted by: Tony V | November 18, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Hey, I think I have one of those fake jobs. I’ve been unemployed and have been working on getting a real job. That counts, doesn’t it? If so, it means all of millions of unemployed people like me are now actually employed. And with a snap of his fingers, the president has solved the problem.

Posted by: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot | November 18, 2009, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

OMG. Phantom districts?
Our government continues to steal our money and lie about its whereabouts.
Don’t think we’re do not know what is going on.
Theft. Pure and simple!

Posted by: Karen | November 18, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

“Why would we trust them with health care.”es, and of course we can trust our private health care insurance. They would never let us down. Oh, and they don’t have their lobbyists out there with their hands out or bribes! LOL”
Dude-it’s very simple – you can SUE the insurance company. There are laws-there is accountability. YOU CANNOT SUE the federal government, and where are you going to go when some bureaucrat who isn’t even elected tells you your out of luck.
Idiots!

Posted by: jenn | November 18, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Can’t tell us how much money or how many jobs were createde with Porkulus. Can’t close Gitmo on time, and WON”T provide a new deadline, since they know that would be pointless. Couldn’t get Obamacare passed by August, BO’s original “Deadline”, which later became a date just to initiate agressive work. These guys want to try again at jobs creation, but they still don’t have a clue, 11 Months after taking office, PATHETIC, yet they want to pass a TRILLION dollar Obamacare Bill that won’t go into effect until 2013!
Somehow this is ALL BUSH and the Repubs fault, just ask Pelosi Reid and BO.

Posted by: morphy | November 18, 2009, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

If nothing else, I’m hopefully the kiddies (and zombie-like Obamabots) who really thought Obama was different…now understand how naive they were. Obama is just a pol, and an inexperienced one at that. And like all pols, he lies. Some are bald faced whoppers easy to identify, and some are more subtle. But…like Bush and those before him…he’s lying through his teeth to get us to buy his “program”.

Posted by: JohnR | November 18, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

“Now for those of you who cannot seem to remember about past administrations, if I remember correctly, we were just “spoonfed” numbers with NO attempt of transparency.”
uh…um…uh we thought we were getting change…the time of bashing bush on the economy ended when this jackass signed the stimulus bill. get over it and take accountability for your vote.

Posted by: dumpdodd2010 | November 18, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

When my clients start buying more stuff, I can hire more people.
Otherwise I am just putting more holes in the hull of an already leaky boat, which is suicidal.
The current bright ideas of Obama and cadre on taxes, helathcare, stimulus, cap + trade, and nationalization of industry do not inspire businesses to want to expand. When the do, and start buying stuff, other businesses can hire and expand.
That is what creates jobs that last. One shot subsidies fail to create real employment…they just manipulate the numbers, and enough of that has been done by this group to last them through 2012 already. They are out of lies to tell.

Posted by: Harry Schell | November 18, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

The stimulus has been a smashing success. The most important piece of it was the tax cut that provided an additional $8 a week to those who needed it most. This is trickle up economics and without it we would have been doomed, doomed!

Posted by: Peter | November 18, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Stillhoping,
For an administration that supposedly thinks before acting how has it bungled so badly on the Israeli/Palestinian peace process, the Honduras situation, the growing Iranian threat (where Iranian protestors just weeks ago shouted Obama, Obama, you’re either with us or with them), and on and on. In these and other foreign policy issues this administration has acted totally on emotional ideology without considering all the consequences of their pronouncements for deadlines, red lines and stop signs that have been ignored, overturned or never considered by those they were aimed at.
These are but a few examples I could mention and they only focus on foreign policy because Obama claimed during the campaign that he believed that would actually be his strong suit. Really, objectively, his performance, based on results, has been horrendous.

Posted by: Peter | November 18, 2009, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Please, when will the MSM just consider that these bozos in the WH and the Dem leftist socialist pacifists in Congress are just incompetent? Not one of their domestic policies makes any sense except to Mussolini or Putin. Second, did anyone hear the 2nd bozo to the faux Messiah try to explain his mess on KSM before the Senate today? So we have a domestic and foreign agenda that is going to kill as many Americans as it can and still blame Bush! Unemployment is going up more according to Roubini and not one job has been created by the Stimulus-Porkulas. Not one American is made safer by these bozos, not one. God help America unless the voters and MSM just finally admit, this naif in the WH is an incompetent failure and is ruining America economically and militarily as well as destroying our Intel and national security.

Posted by: Glenn Koons | November 18, 2009, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Jim Rod said: “At least he is not trying to blame the media and McCain and McCain’s people for all of his problems.”
You’re absolutely right. He’s trying to blame Bush for all his problems.
As for “at least he’s trying.” How can you tell? What has he actually done, rather than merely said?

Posted by: Dave H | November 18, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

I keep telling my self, this can’t be an ABC story.

Posted by: busfreak | November 18, 2009, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

CND FOX —- It is Insurance Reform, not health care reform and the government estimates can be likened to the Cash for Clunkers program. You know, that simple program that went 66% over budget ($1B-$3B) and lasted less than 1 month instead of 4?

Posted by: lfrichar | December 2, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

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