By Gorman Gorman

Nov 2, 2009 8:17am

Strange Brew: GOP war clouds comeback picture

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: We knew the road to 2010 ran through 2009 — but we didn’t know it had this particular (right) turn.

The war in New York’s 23rd congressional district claimed a casualty even before Tuesday’s election. That guarantees that the Republican Party’s power vacuum/identity crisis comes into full view this week — even though the party has a plausible shot at going 3-for-3 in the big contests.

It’s an intriguing secondary storyline that’s fast becoming the primary one — in honor of the many primaries to come it portends for the GOP next year.

Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman stands a strong shot at winning the seat for Republicans — though Republican Dede Scozzafava’s endorsement of Democrat Bill Owens (as encouraged by the White House) scrambles the coalitions and loyalties enough to keep this one interesting.

Already, the race marks a major victory for anxious conservatives who have little love for the party’s nominal powerbrokers. Tea-party fervor already kicked Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., out of the Republican Party, and next those same voices turn to Gov. Charlie Crist, R-Fla., in his Senate race.

There will be more primaries — and they won’t all produce candidates who are as likely to prevail as Doug Hoffman in upstate New York.

In this case, the establishment didn’t so much harness the grass-roots energy as it did get trampled by it; now the challenge is just holding on for the ride.

“The developments that put Republicans back in a stronger position to win a special House election on Tuesday will reverberate unpredictably far beyond the district’s boundaries,” Dan Balz writes in the Sunday Washington Post. “This was a classic case of the grass roots overrunning the leadership of the party, and it carries implications for the battles that will play out next year and beyond.”

“The message from national and New York conservatives is unambiguous,” Politico’s Jonathan Martin and Alex Isenstadt report. “This was an angry, energized base telling the national party that an anything-for-a-majority approach by GOP leaders is unacceptable. They are serious and deeply concerned about what’s going on in Washington.”

Vindication? “Not only was the conventional wisdom wrong, the idea that there’s a ‘civil war’ within the GOP revolving around this argument is nonsense,” Jonah Goldberg writes for National Review. “The GOP is an unapologetically conservative party, providing a choice not an echo, and — horror of horrors — it’s working.”

Should liberals root for a Democratic loss? “A Hoffman win could have implications for the Republican Senate primary in Florida, perhaps the 2012 nomination contest, and other races where Republicans have the choice between more ideologically correct (Marco Rubio, Sarah Palin) and more electable alternatives (Charlie Crist, Mitt Romney),” Nate Silver writes at FiveThirtyEight.com.

You really can’t do both: “Tuesday’s vote in New York’s 23rd congressional district, to fill the seat vacated by Army Secretary John McHugh, a Republican, has become a front line in the GOP’s growing internal debate over whether the best way to rebuild the party’s fortunes is to seek to energize voters by focusing on core principles or to reach out to independents by broadening the platform,” The Wall Street Journal’s Jonathan Weisman and Naftali Bendavid write. Tough storyline when you want to just win the thing: “The gulf between the moderate and conservative factions of the Republican Party appeared to spread Sunday when the Republican former candidate in a contentious congressional race endorsed the Democrat,” James Oliphant writes for the Los Angeles Times.

This was brewing for a long while — but service for how many? “The conservative ‘tea party’ activists went to war with the establishment and won, but can they close the deal with a Hoffman victory? Or will the infighting hand the Democrats a House seat in a previously solid Republican district?” Kara Rowland reports in the Washington Times.

“This energy on the right seems to exist outside the control of the conventional political structure, and GOP politicians and operatives are as likely to be victims of this anger as beneficiaries,” Politico’s Jim VandeHei and Alex Isenstadt write.

Anyone else on the ballot in upstate New York? This race didn’t get really, really interesting until someone went rogue:

“Hoffman could well win, giving short-term succor to the GOP and [Sarah] Palin’s exclusionary, storm-the-barricades brand of Republicanism. And who knows when and where this will stop — or where it will lead?” Jill Lawrence writes for Politics Daily. “It has all the elements of a runaway train, and very few Republicans are willing to step in front of it.”

ABC’s John Berman was in the district for the wacky final weekend on the trail — and was the first to reach Hoffman after Sunday’s news broke: “I just informed Doug Hoffman that GOP’s Scozzafava endorsed his opponent. He hadn’t heard. Claims he is not discouraged,” Berman Tweeted.

The campaign told Berman he was mistaken, even after making a phone call to check. More to come, including exclusive interviews with both Owens and Hoffman, on “World News” Monday night.

How the endorsement went down: Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., “called other Democratic leaders about the situation, including White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel,” the Watertown Daily Times’ reports. “A Democratic source said that Scozzafava and her husband, Ronald P. McDougall, met with U.S. Rep. Steve Israel, D-Huntington, and state Democratic Committee Chairwoman June F. O’Neill at a restaurant in Gouverneur on Saturday afternoon to discuss the endorsement.”

Politico’s Martin and Charles Mahtesian: “When some senior Democrats worried Scozzafava might be wavering about the endorsement, according to another account, the White House got Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, one of the most powerful figures in the state, and New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to place calls to the assemblywoman on Saturday evening to coax her into delivering it. Sen. Charles Schumer, who had been in touch with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Israel, also weighed in.”

Vice President Joe Biden campaigns with Owens in Watertown at 10 am ET Monday — though no word yet on whether Scozzafava will be there, too.

One person who won’t be there: “Dede is entitled to her own opinion, as is everyone, but I obviously disagree with her decision,” Matt Burns, Scozzafava’s former campaign manager, tells The Hotline.

In the other big races — can the White House steal a victory in either one? “Tuesday will give a picture of public attitudes in certain places and measure which party has energy on its side heading into a high-stakes election year. Some questions will be at least answered partially,” the AP’s Liz Sidoti writes. 

“Among them: Did Obama’s campaigning in Virginia and New Jersey persuade the diverse voting coalition that lifted him to victory in 2008 to turn out for Democratic candidates in 2009? Did fickle independents stick with the Democratic Party? Did the out-of-power GOP overcome fissures within its ranks to find a winning strategy?”

The New York Times’ Adam Nagourney: “The outcome could, to a limited degree, help measure whether Mr. Obama’s success last year was a phenomenon limited to him or the early signs of a long-term Democratic resurgence. And it may offer a hint of the thinking of independent voters, the real swing group in American politics, who were so critical to Mr. Obama’s success and who polls suggested have been put off by Mr. Obama policies.”

RNC Chairman Michael Steele: “These are bellwether races — not just as a referendum on this administration, but on our party as well. . . . This administration is so out of step with the heartbeat of this country, and that’s going to be apparent on Tuesday. You’ve got a smiling chairman on the phone.”

The stakes at the White House… ABC’s Jake Tapper, on “Good Morning America” Monday: “You can tell how much the White House may be anticipating to have a bad day tomorrow by how much they’re already saying the results won’t say anything” about the president’s political standing.

In New Jersey, the president himself tried to answer some of the key questions Sunday. ABC’s Stephanie Sy: “Urging New Jersey voters to ‘vote like you did last year,’ Obama admitted, ‘here’s the tough part — here’s the time when it’s not as sexy, not as flashy, this is when governing comes in and we have to make tough choices and progress is not as quick as we want.’ ”

“New Jersey is their best chance for a win tomorrow night,” ABC’s George Stephanopoulos reported on “GMA.” “They want to avoid the sweep at all costs, because they’re afraid that will be seen as a verdict on the president’s first year, and could affect this debate over health care in the Congress.”

Q-poll numbers out Monday: “In the see-saw New Jersey Governor’s race, Republican challenger Christopher Christie has 42 percent to Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine’s 40 points, with 12 percent for independent candidate Christopher Daggett, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Six percent remain undecided. This compares to a 43-38 percent Gov. Corzine lead, with 13 percent for Daggett, in an October 28 survey.”

“The New Jersey contest is attracting enormous attention, not only because of its closeness,” David W. Chen and David M. Halbfinger write for The New York Times. “The sputtering economy here (unemployment is 9.8 percent) has helped to depress Mr. Corzine’s poll numbers and created uneasiness among Democrats nationally about a state they have carried in presidential contests since 19 92. Republicans are likely to seize on a Corzine defeat as a sign that Mr. Obama’s policies are being rejected by the electorate, and argue that they will oust more endangered Democrats in 2010.”

“The White House is banking on Mr. Obama’s visit to boost Democratic turnout enough to put Mr. Corzine over the top — avoiding an embarrassing double-dose of defeat for Democrats in Tuesday’s governors contests, as Virginia looks poised to elect Republican Robert F. McDonnell just 12 months after Mr. Obama’s historic win there for president,” the Washington Times’ S.A. Miller reports.

In Virginia: “Republican Bob McDonnell appears poised to win the governorship and lead a GOP sweep Tuesday, ending nearly a decade of reverses for his party, according to The Richmond Times-Dispatch Poll,” the Times-Dispatch’s Jeff E. Schapiro writes. “McDonnell is favored by 53 percent, while Democrat R. Creigh Deeds is preferred by 41 percent — a widened lead from an early October survey for the newspaper. Six percent are undecided in the latest poll.”

In New York City, new Quinnipiac numbers: “One day before the New York City Mayoral election, incumbent Michael Bloomberg leads Comptroller William Thompson 50-38 percent, with 10 percent undecided, among likely voters.”

A defense of third-party candidates, by Ross Douthat of The New York Times: “For anyone who wants to try, the time is now. This year has been a good year for independent candidates. Given the public mood these days, 2010 could be an even better one — and there will be a lot more than three offices up for grabs next fall.”

Watching with caution: “New England’s moderate Republicans, shoved out of power by two Democratic waves of anti-George W. Bush fervor, are scrambling to make a 2010 comeback, making early bids for congressional seats that GOP leaders say are critical to taking back majorities in the House and Senate,” Susan Milligan writes in The Boston Globe.

“We aren’t going to win back the majority without fighting hard in the Northeast, and we intend to do it,” said Rep. Pete Sessions, R- Texas, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Speaking of election issues … health care on the move.

“After months of plodding work by five Congressional committees and weeks of back-room bargaining by Democratic leaders, President Obama’s arms-length strategy on health care appears to be paying dividends, with the House and the Senate poised to take up legislation to insure nearly all Americans,” Robert Pear and Sheryl Gay Stolberg write in The New York Times. “Democratic leaders and senior White House officials are sounding increasingly confident that Mr. Obama will sign legislation overhauling the nation’s health care system — a goal that has eluded American presidents for decades.”

But can this promise be kept? “Senior White House Counsel Valerie Jarrett told me this morning that the President will keep to his pledge not to tax the middle class to pass his health care package. ‘He’s confident that a bill will be passed consistent with his parameters,’ ” per ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. “According to Republican Senator Charles Grassley, the Joint Tax Committee’s analysis shows taxes will go up for 46 million Americans making under $250,000 under the plan.”

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will seek a vote as early as this week while trying to pacify fellow Democrats who say her bill isn’t strong enough and others who fret that federal dollars might be used for abortions. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is waiting for cost estimates on his proposals while trying to win enough votes just to start debate,” Bloomberg’s Kristin Jensen and Laura Litvan report.

The Wall Street Journal editorial: “The Worst Bill Ever.”

From the other side: “Acknowledging they can’t stop the Senate from bringing up a health care reform bill, Republicans have mapped out a strategy to draw out the debate, attack the measure’s core components and force difficult votes on vulnerable Democrats,” Roll Call’s David M. Drucker reports.

“By unveiling their own legislation, Republicans will be able to coalesce around a concrete plan. But they also open themselves to potential criticism of their proposals,” The Wall Street Journal’s Greg Hitt reports.

On Afghanistan, Abdullah Abdullah’s withdrawal from the run-off election doesn’t complicate the president’s decision-making (and the run-off was formally cancelled Monday morning), but the decision may slip: “The President will make a decision when he is confident he has all the facts he needs,” Valerie Jarrett told George Stephanopoulos.

The president may be delaying his decision-making — but it’s not dithering, writes Bloomberg’s Al Hunt: “For former Vice President Dick Cheney, who wants to go all out for victory, or for Democratic Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, who wants to get out as soon as possible, the right decision in Afghanistan is easy. President Barack Obama, and even some Republicans, wish it were that simple. The problem is many of the contentions and conclusions, on all sides, are oversimplified, even dubious.”

Friends like these: “President Obama now faces a new complication: enabling a badly tarnished partner to regain enough legitimacy to help the United States find the way out of an eight-year-old war,” David E. Sanger writes for The New York Times.

Remember that odd body language between Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., at the White House last month? Well, Pelosi said, it’s not him — it’s Afghanistan that made her cringe. “I was more reacting to what he was saying than his arm on my shoulder,” Pelosi told ABC’s Bill Weir, on “Good Morning America” Saturday.

On cap-and-trade — “almost no hope”: “The climate-change bill that has been moving slowly through the Senate will face a stark political reality when it emerges for committee debate on Tuesday: With Democrats deeply divided on the issue, unless some Republican lawmakers risk the backlash for signing on to the legislation, there is almost no hope for passage,” Juliet Eilperin reports in The Washington Post.

Launching Monday: a new national ad campaign from the Alliance for Climate Protection’s Repower America campaign. “Repower Voices” features Brent Scowcroft, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Pepsi CEO Indra Nooyi, Ted Turner and Sheryl Crow, on national cable and broadcast TV. 

Also launching from the alliance: The Repower Wall.

Swamp tales: “The disclo sure in recent days of a sensitive document from the House ethics committee offers the contradictory portrait of a panel actively pursuing a range of probes even as Democrats under scrutiny remain in positions of power,” Paul Kane writes for The Washington Post. “The 22-page document revealed that the ethics committee, as of late July, was looking into the activities of at least 19 lawmakers, including reviews of home mortgages and interviews about corporate-backed trips for members of Congress to Caribbean resorts. Combined with the inquiries being conducted by a new ethics office, the document showed a far more robust set of investigations than previously revealed.”

Filling out the Palin bookshelf — all before the former governor goes rogue for real Nov. 17: “The first book hits stores Tuesday …. ‘Sarah from Alaska: The Sudden Rise and Brutal Education of a New Conservative Superstar,’ was written by Scott Conroy and Shushannah Walshe, television reporters who followed Palin on the presidential campaign trail last fall,” McClatchy’s Erika Bolstad writes.

“Next up, on Nov. 12, a book with a more right-wing bent: ‘The Persecution of Sarah Palin: How the Elite Media Tried to Bring Down a Rising Star,’ by Matthew Continetti of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine. Then, on the same day Palin’s own book publishes, comes a book of left-leaning essays, ‘Going Rouge: An American Nightmare.’ The book, with its parody title and strikingly similar cover art, was put together by two senior editors at The Nation magazine and will be available only on the Web site of its publisher, OR Books.”

The Kicker:

“The Phillies will win the series!” — Dr. Jill Biden, to ABC’s Karen Travers, before Games Three and Four of the World Series.

“I think he’s got an out-of-this-world ego. He’s very narcissistic. And he’s able to focus all attention on him all the time.” — Rush Limbaugh, on “Fox News Sunday.”

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User Comments

And now we will have ambassador Dede .

Posted by: earl | November 2, 2009, 8:42 am 8:42 am

One term one time is the only way we can get back representation without outside influance.

Posted by: pbaz | November 2, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

One term one time is the only way we can get back representation without outside influence.
Up here in NY-23rd we need representation, without political game playing to acquire more power. The career incumbents have priorities that most Americans disagree with and the only way our voices can be heard is in the voting booth. The powerful are doing their best to take that from us. At what other time would you see Mr. Isreal or Ms. O’Neill dinning in Gouverneur?

Posted by: pbaz | November 2, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am

NY-23 is a meaningless race in an off year. If you want to see where the GOP is going, look at REAL races – the Senate races in Delaware, Florida or Illinois (roughly in chances for a GOP pickup hinging on them putting out a good moderate candidate). If the radical right manages to take out Mike Castle, Charlie Crist or Mark Kirk, THEN it is a real statement – that they’d rather be an ideologically pure minority party than participate in representing the majority in this country.

Posted by: jhw539 | November 2, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

One term? Caribou Barbie can’t even make that.

Posted by: janiceinthemountains | November 2, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am

Nothing says “party unity” like the Democrats.
They control absolutely everything, a super majority–and still cannot pass bills.
The GOP may be divided but the Dems certainly have nothing to brag about.

Posted by: kyle | November 2, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Scozzafava is more to the left than the blue-dog Democrats. Many of them are against abortion and gay marriage.

Posted by: millie | November 2, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Nice article. Sorry Rush … I, for one, will never again vote for a moderate Republican. My vote will go for the best candidate even if it’s for someone considered “not electable” … even if it means some goofy liberal Democrat gets elected. My anger is not aimed at Democrats … I know they are corrupt & unacceptable. My anger is squarely against a Republican pary that is becoming more and more like the Democrats. If there’s a more acceptable candidate on the ballet … that’s who is going to get my vote. No more of this “lesser of two evils” nonsense!

Posted by: pjoe | November 2, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am

It’s still that 40% in the middle and probably always will be that 40% in the middle that determines the outcome of elections. Bottom line is we are ever waivering because neither party will give us what we want which is minimal bumps in the road, not change, other than regular changeouts of our always and forever insensitive, belligerent, self serving senators and representatives.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 2, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am

It’s still and always will be about the economy and jobs. Nothing is more emotionally moving than to have been secure and to have lost that security as so many have experienced during the last year.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 2, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am

It’s disgusting to see our elected government representatives rescuing the same financial sector that cheated us out of our homes, our investments, our life savings, our security, our self respect and our livelihoods. Our tax dollars, the mortgaged futures of our children, are being used by this administration to reward those who brought the world economy to its knees, even as they seek to destroy our existing healthcare system and escalate a war on terror that will never end.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 2, 2009, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Scozzafava is NOT a Republican. She’s a dem who put an (R) next to her name for electability sake in a conservative district. Republicans need to understand that unless we have viable candidates who are fiscally conservative and at least socially libertarian the base will stay home. RINO’s ruined the Republican image under Bush and we’re not going to let it happen again. If you’re a liberal then you belong with the dems period!

Posted by: afkbrad | November 2, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am

A big problem for the GOP. In their tactics to energize the fringe, they’ve bit off their nose to spite their face.
Increasingly, the right-wing fringe won’t tolerate moderate politics in their own party.
more marginalization = further away from sustainability.

Posted by: gus amaral | November 2, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Once again we see how damaging RINOs are to the Republican Party. My suggestion is that we change the name of our Party to “Conservative”. That, I think, would encourage our Liberals to move to the Democrat-Socialist Party where they belong and, in turn, help those many Conservative members of that Party to come help we Conservatives battle the radical Leftists who are destroying our country.

Posted by: Ron | November 2, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

mmonroe: Amen!!

Posted by: older&wiser | November 2, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

gee, mmonroeliveson , whatever happened to personal responsibility? Whatever happened to “don’t pay more for a house than you can afford?” Whatever happened to : “it’s all Freddie and Fannie’s fault and their government enablers.” Are you suggesting the banks had a role in the economic collapse. But its a free market dude! The market corrects itself!

Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 2, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

When you have common sense and take a “step back and look at the bigger picture” – which I believe most educated moderates can do – you see the true picture. The Party is in the throes of imploding because of the extreme conservative element. We will remember that when we vote, especially in 2010 and 2012. This congressional race “drama” just adds to the proof of what we knew all along. It doesn’t really matter who wins this election, it is about the broader implications.

Posted by: CND FOX | November 2, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am

The NY23 fiasco was NOT a fight within the Republican Party. It was a fight with a now-exposed Democrat who had infiltrated the GOP. It should also have served as a wake-up call for the RNC. Was it? We’ll have to wait to see if the party elite are really getting the message. Advice to them (and all other leaders): It’s a good idea for leaders to look over their shoulders now and then to make sure there are followers back there.

Posted by: RiverKing | November 2, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am

sorry, mmonroeliveson, I’m teasing you.
In other news…I’ve been pleasantly surprised to hear many of my co-workers are voting No on repealing the marriage equality. Some of these folks, I know because they told me, were McCain voters in ’08. What does that tell you about Republican voters in the northeast? I wonder how well Hoffman’s views will sit with Northern New Yorkers? They are alot like Mainers (and I should know, I used to live near Watertown.)

Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 2, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

JHW539–”THEN it is a real statement – that they’d rather be an ideologically pure minority party than participate in representing the majority in this country.”–
The only problem with that is that its the liberals who are the idealogically pure minority party not the conservatives. Most national pols now put the numbers at 40% aligning themselves with conservative viewpoints while those who align themselves as liberal are running just above 20%. the other 40% align themselves as moderate either just left or just right of center…
Sorry, but it is your party that is a marginal minority. And the displeasure that the nation now has with a far left administration backs that up…

Posted by: arkievet | November 2, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Go ahead and do that (change your name to the Conservative Party) and then see how many elections you win. You are a real good example (with your “labeling” and “namecalling” i.e. RINO”S, Socialists, liberals etc) of why the party is imploding. Nothing quite like “extreme thinking” to tear something apart.

Posted by: CND FOX | November 2, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am

I long ago decided that Rush Limbaugh was facist and anybody more right is a sociopathic mafia the rest are clueless followers out of fear. They need losers to be winners. That is why they play the world the way they do.

Posted by: John Henry | November 2, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

I don’t see that this is a problem… it is a great oppty for the Rep party to get REAL feedback into the direction the party needs to take -as guided by real voters (versus speaking heads from the media).
The Rep candidate in this case is not really a Rep – which is why she polled so low. It will be interesting to see if she will be welcomed into the Dem party now that she has ended her Rep career. I have a feeling she will not be. One thing neither party goes much for are turn-coats… look at Spector and Snowe… pretty well killed their party politics on the Rep… but never really accepted into the Dem party in any place of power either.

Posted by: clr | November 2, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Amy in Maine; You’re not teasing me any more than you’re kidding yourself. We both know the problem with affordable housing for people who can’t afford houses is the concept itself. The financial sector reacted predictably to being coerced by politicians into lending practices both the politicians and the financial sector knew were unsound. Consumers seized what they perceived to be opportunity. Now their credit is ruined for life. Anyone who ever expects to get something for nothing will invariably end up disappointed. Making money is and always has been the job of financial institutions. They did stoop to the lowest of principles in the matter of the creation of high risk derivatives. This was in response to the pie in the sky idealism asserted and imposeed on them by politicians. Then the same finger pointing politicians did nothing to control the out of control situation until it was too late. We’re still waiting for them to admit they were wrong and they still haven’t taken any responsibility. Meanwhile the taxpayers of America have been targeted to cover their indicsretions with future debt while the financial institutions continue to do what they are supposed to do…make money. They’re the only ones doing their job well. Demonize the politicians that promised the world for votes and delivered disappointment as usual. Now they’re promising wonderful things with healthcare reform. Woe be unto those who expect something for nothing.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | November 2, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am

NY-23 is a meaningless race in an off year. If you want to see where the GOP is going, look at REAL races – the Senate races in Delaware, Florida or Illinois (roughly in chances for a GOP pickup hinging on them putting out a good moderate candidate). If the radical right manages to take out Mike Castle, Charlie Crist or Mark Kirk, THEN it is a real statement – that they’d rather be an ideologically pure minority party than participate in representing the majority in this country.
Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 2, 2009 9:39:31 AM
Still peddling the liberal propaganda for the WH I see. Glad to see you know what’s good for the GOP. Your a self-identified “independent” no doubt.

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 2, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

Obama and the WH are probably losing sleep over this election like do over Fox News–or absolutely anyone that makes them look bad.
Obama prefers us to be dumb and uninformed. Easier to control us.

Posted by: kyle | November 2, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

The moderates on this board need to take a look at who they refer to as radical right wingers. Stop repeating the message we’re being given by the Obama newspeak gang, a group much farther left than most people suspected. Thanks to the media who reported the admitted controlled message by the Obama campaign. The radicals are running the show. How do you like it so far?

Posted by: pam | November 2, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Republican party is screwed up by likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hennity, Glenn Beck, Bill O’orielly, and Sarah Palin. All those misfits have destroyed the party .. screw conservative ideas, and should all go to hell….
I am have been a Republican all my life, and it’s time for me to vote “I”.

Posted by: Elijah Elkan | November 2, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Democrats are afraid, and the media does not get it. There is change going on in this country, Not the change that Obama said, Not the rise of Left thinking Ideas , Not the rise of a want for more spending, not the rise of a want for more Government control, But a rise of Conservative Values, The media wants you to think we are destroying ourselves and that is not the case at all we are taking back control of the Republican party and taking it back to the Conservative values that made it so great under President Reagan. We will no longer tolerate Republicans in name only like Scozzafava. We want real Republicans who support and respect the Conservative values the Republican party had previously supported. I refer you to a Quote by President Reagan “Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors, which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?” This is what the the Republican Party needs to do today, and until we do we will not be able to stop the irresponsible spending and Ideals of the Left and its current leadership.

Posted by: nobama12 | November 2, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Odd that a President voted in by more than 4 million U.S. citizens would be called marxist & socialist.

Posted by: Conserva Tiff | November 2, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

“Democrats are afraid, and the media does not get it. There is change going on in this country, Not the change that Obama said…”
Posted by: nobama12 | Nov 2, 2009 12:21:59 PM
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ZZzzzzzzz…

Posted by: Conserva Tiff | November 2, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Conserva Tiff | Nov 2, 2009 12:34:56 PM: Nice of you to show your stupidity. Zzzzz ? really is the best argument you can put forward? The Liberal mind never ceases to amaze me, how can one mind be so empty of intelligence!

Posted by: batesba74 | November 2, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Nobama…My hope is that people like you just keep making these ridiculous statements, ignoring the problems that have erupted in the Republican Party and overall just keep living in your little fantasy worlds. You evidently have not been paying attention lately. “Conservative values” are not exactly the key words for success anymore.

Posted by: CND FOX | November 2, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

“How do you like it so far?”
I like it a lot! Obama has really turned this country around – people are really involved in thinking about the issues, lots of debate about healthcare, our mission in the MiddleEast, and the development of alternative energy. If Republicans had won in ’08 McCain would have said “I have a mandate” and troops would have been jacked up, no questions, allies further antagonized, and healthcare would have been unchanged.
Thanks for asking.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 2, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal wants all churches to be silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.

Posted by: nobama12 | November 2, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

CND FOX: The 2009 data are based on 16 separate Gallup surveys conducted from January through September, encompassing more than 5,000 national adults per quarter. Conservatives have been the dominant ideological group each quarter, with between 39% and 41% of Americans identifying themselves as either “very conservative” or “conservative.” Between 35% and 37% of Americans call themselves “moderate,” while the percentage calling themselves “very liberal” or “liberal” has consistently registered between 20% and 21% — making liberals the smallest of the three groups.

Posted by: nobama12 | November 2, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

If liberals read about a situation like Columbine, Georgia Tech, and all the other gun crimes, they want to pass and enforce reasonable gun laws to cut down on the violence. Conservatives strap pistols to their thighs and swagger into the midst of large gatherings, like the macho men/women they fantasize they are.
If a liberal knows working people are going without healthcare while officeworkers stay in brain dead jobs to keep their insurance, they think, “hey, maybe there is a better way to provide healthcare, let’s work on that.” But a conservative will lay down his life to protect the right of a health insurance CEO to bring home a yearly 23 million dollar bonus, because he identifies with these “exceptional” individuals who already make 300 times more than the average worker.
I could go on, but I’ve already written too much.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 2, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

nobama12
From the Gallup Poll website itself:
“The Democratic Party continues to hold a solid advantage in party support over the Republican Party, as 49% of Americans interviewed in the second quarter of this year identified with or leaned to the Democratic Party, compared with 40% who did so for the Republican Party”

Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 2, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

Some Poll #’s for Obama From poll taken in April Results compared to August. : All questions asked if You were happy with Obama’s performance in the following areas.
Approve disapprove
1. Economy -10 +14
2. Health Care -9 +19
3. International -5 +9
4. Afghanistan -18 +21
5 Budget – 7 +8

Posted by: batesba74 | November 2, 2009, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological GroupCompared with 2008, more Americans “conservative” in general, and on issues.
The 2009 data are based on 16 separate Gallup surveys conducted from January through September, encompassing more than 5,000 national adults per quarter. Conservatives have been the dominant ideological group each quarter, with between 39% and 41% of Americans identifying themselves as either “very conservative” or “conservative.” Between 35% and 37% of Americans call themselves “moderate,” while the percentage calling themselves “very liberal” or “liberal” has consistently registered between 20% and 21% — making liberals the smallest of the three groups.
Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.

Posted by: batesba74 | November 2, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Democrat’s that are loyal to their party need to stop and think! Do you really want America to be a full pledged socialism country? Do you want every one to get the same hourly pay even if your job is worth more in wages. Do you really want every one living in government housing.Thats what Obama and the Democrat’s change is all about. Obama’s and the Democrat’s socialized health care plan makes this all become a reality after 2012. The Government public option health care gives the government control of your
life. It will have control of what you eat and how you live your life because it all falls under government controlled health care. Think! Is that what you want?

Posted by: John Demeter | November 2, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

I ma just curious as to why there are no articles concerning the split between Blue Dog Democrats in Congress and the ideologically far left membershop of the Democratic Party….thats where the true split is. This just seems like wishful thinking on the part of another Liberal news reporter…

Posted by: angus | November 2, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Who cares what is happening in the GOP? What matters is that CONSERVATISM is mounting a comeback and 40% of Americans identify themselves as conservatives.
Republicans like John McCain, Snowe, Spectre, Bush, and the rest of the “Bank Bailout Bunch” are going to be kicked to the curb.
Conservatism 2012! It’s going to happen.

Posted by: Dave | November 2, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Be real. The Republican party has been shanghaied by the far right wing crazies who hate government so much, they will never elect real “governors” again. They will only nominate religious-conservatives with the singular aim to abolish abortion and abolish the separation between church and state. They don’t care if the people they nominate aren’t very smart or qualified. They only care if they agree with their philosophy and will DO as they say.

Posted by: E.N. | November 2, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Conserva—you know exactly why Obama won…………and it sure wasn’t experience………God help us

Posted by: lyineyes1956 | November 2, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Can someone tell me why this NY 23rd congressional district seat is being contested this year and not next year?

Posted by: Buck7756 | November 2, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

But Dave, don’t you remember?
When Katie Couric asked Sarah about the bank bailout she said…
“Well, we are all just sick about this but its…well, its all about the jobs.”

Posted by: Amy in Maine | November 2, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

wait until the results come in tomorrow. The Democrats are going to find out that the country has had enough of their Socialist agenda. Tomorrow is the beginning of the end for Obama and the beginning of a brighter future for America.

Posted by: brian | November 2, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Amy in Maine I forgot how elegant Obama is without his teleprompter. The Republican Party will return to the party of Bold Colors not Pale pastels, we will return to the party of Conservative values!

Posted by: nobama12 | November 2, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Republicans are the creators:
1) Of Outsourcing jobs: giving money to corporations to take jobs away from America. It was Obama who signed the measure to stop paying corporations to take jobs out of America.
2) Of an Unstable economy: pushed legilation to relax laws and government institutions oversight of banks and financial institutions thus creating the economic chaos. It was Obama who signed legislation to get the strong measures back into place.
3) Of not finishing what they started in Afghanistan: Republicans pulled out and left Afghanistan and few American troops to deal with a mess for 7 years which increased a production of poppy fields funding al qaida and taliban terrorists, Plus it was the Republicans who paid Kaizars’ brother, the illegal drug man in Afghanistan for all this time. It was Obama who sent more troops and began to burn out the fields.
4) And masters of the blame game: never admitting that they brought Americas’ economy to a standstill,destroyed Americans’ futures in the job market, All the while they blame Obama for the mess in the Economy, Afghanistan when it was all the Republicans’ fault in the first place.
Go back to the past eight years, No Way!

Posted by: Angie | November 2, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

He He He, Ha Ha Ha. This is sooo laughable. The republicans made a mess in afghanistan for 7 years and now they want to blam Obama? The republicans made a mess of our American economy and now they want to blame Obama?
The Republicans want to go back to the last eight years, that is soooo laughable. Ha Ha Ha.

Posted by: Angie | November 2, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

The GOP has fought this battle before. We fought the Rockefeller Republicans when Goldwater ran in the ’60s; we fought them again when Reagan ran. We thought we Conservatives had finally won when Gingrich and a lot of Conservatives won Congress in 1994, but every time, the RINOs worked to undermine our Party and managed to bring losses from the jaws of victory. I hope that this time these Democrat-Socialists in Republican clothes will finally be shown the exit door that only swings out. Scozzafava is a prime example of what I’m talking about.

Posted by: Ron | November 2, 2009, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

The GOP is fast approaching a landslide victory in Virginia. In New Jersey Christie is poised to win. Corzine’s mean-spirited “fat-jokes” about Christie does not sit well with people except for liberal malevolent loons. That alone may cost Corzine the election. The Independent Dough Hoffman is also sitting pretty in New York. Liberals seem to think that a condidate endorsed by Sarah Palin could not possibly win. Not so. I believe he will win.

Posted by: Amanda Moserski | November 2, 2009, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Scozzafava is more to the left than the blue-dog Democrats. Many of them are against abortion and gay marriage.
Posted by: millie | Nov 2, 2009 9:50:34 AM
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what cracks me up is that there are still people in this country who would vote simply on those 2 small minded issues…… looking at the big picture those issues are near meaningless regarding the future of this country.
Burn your bibles and join the rest of us in trying to fix the real problems and quit worrying about who is sleeping with who…….

Posted by: dk | November 3, 2009, 2:39 am 2:39 am

How are you Libs spinning this as a bad thing for Republicans? Are yopu kidding me? This is a positive for Republicans and Conservatives everywhere and not the “infighting” nonsense like the Dems in Congress are doing. The Conservative surge in this country is a direct result of Lord Obama’s attempt to socialize our country. The Conservatives ousted a Liberal republican candidate and replaced her with a true conservative. This is a good thing and a bad sign for the Liberals and Dems. It means you’ve pushed us too far and the backlash is just beginning.

Posted by: Hank | November 3, 2009, 8:45 am 8:45 am

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