The Brewing Democratic Civil War

Obama was asked for more troops and voted ‘Present’.
His abdication of responsibility will be a key factor in his defeat in 2012.

Obama was asked for more troops and voted ‘Present’.
Joe White | Nov 23, 2009 12:20:21 PM
He replaced the General first thing, DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF TROOPS in less than a year, and is doing a full review. Hands down the most attention paid to Afghanistan for over 6 years. Yet in Right Wing Fantasy Land this is voting ‘Present.’

It has been very difficult to get rid of these entrenched democratic and republican politicians who have been in congress and the senate for decades. Americans seem to keep voting for them for one reason or another. I have heard about a civil war among the republicans and now apparently the democrats. A bloody civil war for both sides is what is needed. We need to supply them with weapons to accelerate their dismissals.

A Civil War? With Guns an’ stuff? Hey, they could make some REAL money if they sold tickets to watch it.

Obama had far more to consider before sprinting off into the left horizon with the first of two hugely expensive entitlement bills. One entitles everyone (family of 4 living on $88,000 needs subsidy?!)to health coverage while burdening taxpayers with the bill. The second one burdens the taxpayers with millions of newly made Hispanic Americans who will be given health coverage. We will get whatever president they vote in until the hopelessly confused voter registrations are sorted out to accommodate these millions of new Democrats.

Taxpayers cannot afford the Obama Administration and its entitlement anymore than we could afford Bush/Cheney’s version of entitlement.

“there ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan.”
There ain’t going to be no money for nothing anyway! Our leaders in their wisdom are spending and giving it away faster than they can raise taxes and borrow more from China.
Before the election a lot of voters said they would vote for Obama because they worried about the economy. I worried about the economy because they voted for Obama.

It has been very difficult to get rid of these entrenched democratic and republican politicians who have been in congress and the senate for decades. Americans seem to keep voting for them for one reason or another
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The problem is that there is no one to run against them. How does some one new get the support?
The only solution that I know of is to have on the ballot none of the above, but that causes all kinds of problems, we would have empty seats through out government and districts without representation.

As a taxpayer, I have had enough. We have now wasted almost a decade’s worth our nation’s blood and treasure on a country that still lives in the Stone Age, and probably always will. The Afghans are ingrates to boot, just like their Iraqi brethren. We have no connection with Iraq or Afgahnistan, or their alien culture, other than the fact we happen to inhabit the same planet. Let’s get out NOW and stop spilling our sons’ and daughters’ blood — and wasting trillions of dollars on a chimera that will never be. We can always bomb them into tomorrow from the air when or if it becomes necessary.

Joe White,
Your heroes Bush, Cheney and the republicans were asked for more troops for Afghanistan. They did not even vote present. They run to hide like chickens.

Thinking – I agree with the “none of the above”. Mickey Mouse or Snoopy could win in a write in and do a better job by doing nothing. Seems like everything these politicians do to support our corporatism system of government drives us further into financial ruin. I could say don’t blame me I voted for Ron Paul, but that doesn’t change the situation we are in.

Conservatives are amazing. Never mind that the United States is the only advanced nation that sees healthcare as a priviledge. Never mind that EVERY COUNTRY with universal healthcare has better outcomes than the U.S. Never mind the facts! Conservatives live in a world of “political theory” that has no basis in reality. No wonder, that when this country was first formed, it was by liberal revolutionaries. The conservatives (Tories) wanted to remain a part of the Crown! Thank God we didn’t listen to the conservatives then. We certainly should not listen to the NOW!

Countries with good healthcare have sicker populations because they keep more marginally healthy people alive longer. Countries with bad healthcare have healthier populations because the sick die. Cuba has more healthier babies born because they use abortion as a contraceptive measure. If you kill off babies before they’re born, particularly distressed ones, you’ll have healthier babies born. The idea that other countries with dysfunctional health care systems have healthier populations is simple-minded and wrong and championed by the simple-minded Left.

Incidentally, Unforgiven, yesterday’s “classic liberals” are today’s Conservatives. Reagan was one of them. Look it up.

Mr. President, stop the WARS and get the troops home as you promised. We did not vote for you to put our sons and daughters under enemy fire, nor bankrupt our country by the stimulus and healthcare reform. We voted for you to create more jobs. We demand the change and NEW JOBS NOW!

if the Democrats continue to pursue their insane policies and their march toward socialism, there certainly will be a civil war . . . period. This country is dead broke and spinning down the sewer at warp speed.

The health care bill without the additional taxes, savings, and fines cost is 3 trillion. That is 3000 billion over ten years, yep health care is going to be great. Now we can get to cap and trade, oh and the war tax, not even considering the increase in state taxes and fees. Have we had enough yet?

In answer to the below is there are always others to vote for but people are fools. They vote party over person. They vote how they are told and the worst crime at all they vote against people and not for them. Other times they vote on ONE issue when 95% of what the person stands for is contrary to their views. In Chicago the democratic machine is just that. A machine. Block captains paid by Aldremen and Aldermen paid by the mayor. The IL congress tied to the Mayor and his lies and vise versa. Corrupt from top to bottom protected by patronage jobs and deals with union thugs. Its nothing but the MOB accepted by the people of IL. They think greasing the wheels doesnt hurt anyone. BUT when someone gets killed by a porch collapse or kids kill each other on the street or bribes are demanded by the govenor they dont seem to see HOW it could happen. We are corrupt and proud in IL. People believe that eveyone running is the same. ALL crooks and thieves and thats a sad statement.
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It has been very difficult to get rid of these entrenched democratic and republican politicians who have been in congress and the senate for decades. Americans seem to keep voting for them for one reason or another
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The problem is that there is no one to run against them. How does some one new get the support?
The only solution that I know of is to have on the ballot none of the above, but that causes all kinds of problems, we would have empty seats through out government and districts without representation.

Abortion would be funded…Taken from
“Health care reform should not be used as an opportunity to use federal funds to pay for elective abortions. Health reform should be an opportunity to protect human life – not end it,” he says in a widely-distributed press release today.
Boehner points out that, on line 17, p. 110, section 222 under “Abortions for which Public Funding is Allowed,” the Health and Human Services Secretary is given the authority to determine when abortion is allowed under the government-run plan.
“The Speaker’s plan also requires that at least one insurance plan offered in the Exchange covers abortions,” he notes.

This is something that forces hostile to to the US can consider. What is our military’s ready status to respond? Will the military have to sit on its thumbs while the President and Bureaucrats discuss an appropriate response to an attach? Why is it OK to have our forces in harms way and be restrained from going on an offensive to deter an attach by the enemy? Our service men and women are being treated like pawns on a political game board. Shame on this President and the controlling members of congress.

You mean Democrats have a diversity of viewpoints within their ranks and don’t march in lockstep to any dogma? STOP THE PRESSES!
This just in: conservatives have reservations about President Obama! Film at eleven!

Great movie idea!!!!
Modern day civil war.

For once we have a president who is truly trying to fix healthcare and the war. But we have a Congress, both sides, who are like a bunch of 3 year olds. Don’t they think on election day they will all be in trouble? the GOP had 8 years and all they did was get us into this mess. When Clinton left we had a huge surplus…and all they did was go after him for an indescretion between him and his wife…spending millions for nothing…Look at Guiliani, the gov. of So. Carolina, etc. Instead of concentrating on our country….Now we have generals stating we need more troops and people yelling to listen to them and on the other side people yelling get us out. the same with healthcare…the same old scare tactics…Instead of sitting down like grown ups and DISCUSSING the war and the healthcare, they get up and scream at each other…Children who should be fired. God help this President.

What happens the “high earners” are pay over 100% in taxes for all these programs. Do they through them in jail and then expect the lower earners to pay up?

It doesn’t matter what they do; They are all out next November. Democrat poll numbers are in a steep nosedive with no letting up. Two sitting Democrats announced today that they are not even going to bother to run for reelection. Expect more to follow.
The debates are over. People have been reminded why you never, ever, ever vote Democrat.

The debates are over. People have been reminded why you never, ever, ever vote Democrat.rjflorida >>>> What about the Rino’s? How about we start voting libritarian? Democrats have lost the center that is for sure.

This was to be Obamas war; the good war, the war that Bush didn’t fund properly. Bush was too busy actually winning the war in Iraq – the war that Obama and his fellow congressional communists followers claimed would be lost.
OK now here we are with Obama sending predator missile strikes against the families of mere “suspects” in a country we are at peace with? How is that?
Remember, these are not “enemy combatents” they are only “criminal suspects” and Obama has murdered them unlawfully along with their wives and children.
So agian, what are they Obama?
Are they criminal combatents that you may kill at will? Or are they criminal suspects that deserve trials??
If its the later, then you are the war criminal yourself and must forthwith be bound over to the International Crimianl Court in the Hague for your own trial as an international war criminal.
Again, it is you who are claiming that you must release the combatents held at Guantanamo for civllian criminal trial because they are non-adjudicated suspects. In so doing, you have condemned your own actions to that of a murderer in killing their brethren in Pakaistan without benefit of any criminal legal process including trial by jury.

ohbummer.

Obama and Dems care nothing about anyones lives except their own. It’s not their daughters who will get acid thrown in their faces for going to school.

vickie – you need to quit. Last I looked, only legal Americans can vote in elections. Other than native Americans, we all have come from somewhere else. Sorry, you can’t claim that for your own. If Mexican Americans choose to vote Democratic, they obviously see something there that they don’t see in the Republican party…like a big ole serving of diversity.

“Rep. Obey’s shot across the bow came on the heels of Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin (D-MI) telling Bloomberg News’ Al Hunt that a war tax on the high earners might be necessary to fund a surge of troops into Afghanistan. ”
A new tax on “high earners” huh? Shouldn’t this responsibility be shouldered by ALL Americans?

Always enjoy taking economic lessons from the right, the very same people who left Obama the keys to a country on the precipice of depression. Now these same “experts” want fiscal discipline. Where were you guys back in 2004, 2005 and 2006 when the economy was humming along yet we still ran deficits of $200, $300 and $400 billion per year and that’s without counting war costs. Crickets, that’s all we heard, crickets. You deserved the massive loss in political seats in ’06, and ’08. And while you might pick-up seats in ’10, don’t start having Palin pick curtains for the White House just yet. Don’t forget, your demi-god Reagan was terribly unpopular early in his first term battling a recession nearly equal to this one. The economy recovered in time and he easily won. I suspect we’ll see that scenario repeated here.

Rick McDaniel – if you recall, the US had no issue with the Taliban for years. Years. Let me repeat…years. Only after 9/11 that we ASKED the Taliban to turn over bin Laden and they refused that we went to war. If they had turned them over, we probably would have funded the dimantling of training camps, but the Taliban would be in power. The Bush doctrine then mentioned that we would go after terrorists and the countries that harbored them.
So forget the democracy thing. Forget the nation building thing. ACCEPT the fact that a centralized government in Afghanistan(whatever that means) WILL contain Taliban. End of story. Done, Finis.
Banning Islam is an emotional simplistic response. We should have studied why the Iranian embassy was overthrown 30 years ago and how an exiled Ayatollah in France could rise to power. 30 years later, we would probably have the answers to why a teenager name bin Laden chose to become a radical follower of the faith. Methinks.

Email to the President:
Dear Mr. Obama,
As someone who served in one of the policy mistakes of our country, Vietnam. I ask you and beg you to get us out of those wars in the Middle East. My father was a veteran of WWII, and as a child I looked up to him and all of my uncles who served in that war that was to end tryanny and bring social justice to the world.
When I came of age, a war was going on, and like 9 million others of my generation, I entered into the service of my country. I was lucky in that while I aided and abetted the war for 37 months in Asia, I never heard a shot fired in anger and came back home intact physically. However, there is not a day that goes by that I don’t think about those of my comrades who were not so lucky as I.
I remember when Reagan at the dedication of Vietnam Veterans Memorial in 1982, said “theirs was a noble cause,” and I thought what cause was that? To use a poor country as a chess board, three million of its people and 58,000+ of the American youth of my generation as chess pieces in what was a side show in the larger struggle on the planet between the West and the Soviet Union?
Looking back, I see that as a comment meant to comfort my generation of veterans and the families of those names on that long black wall. Mr. President, we don’t need more memorials to Americans killed in wars that they had no say in, we need to reconstruct our nation on all levels and not destruct other nations.

Ever wonder why – with an increasing number of people who distrust and dislike the Republican party – that the Democrats’ numbers aren’t going through the roof? THIS is why. They can’t pull together long enough to pass a much-needed bill. They’d rather show off and fight than help fellow citizens. Self-congratulatory dim-bulbs.

Jake man read before you post. Bush asked for more and the dem controled congress who held power the last two years fought him. You see, The Dems sit back and suck thumbs and hope no one causes trouble. The dems sit back and tell the poor they are all for them. It hits the fan and the dems sit back hoping a Republican wins the election so the republicans can clean it up and fix it. All the while taking heat and cr– from the dems who should have fixed it in the first place. never fails. Get the DNC to send you better scripts.

In a word: MERDE (FR)!

How dare you inappropriately use the term “democratic civil war” for disagreement among democrats? There is no “war,” and it’s only someone who supports distortion in the media who would use this term as a synonym for “disagreement.” Are you HOPING for another CIVIL WAR in the U.S.? ABC News is no better than any other news agency when it comes to creating sensationalized headlines that amount to lies (even if it’s only in a “blog”).

Usually don’t agree with the libs…….but on getting our guys out of that corrupt evil place is a big YES on my wish list. Just bring them home, stop sending our supplies, money, and people into something that will NEVER EVER give anything back, but death!

we must address Afghanistan now. Obama ambivalence and letting Pelosi speak publicly will be hi sdownfall in 2012. Isn’t the “CHANGE” great NOT!!!!!!!

Every problems seems to end with the same answer: Spend more and pay for it by taxing high income earners. Well, I’m not one of those people, but I have always thought I’d would like to be one someday. Isn’t that one of the American dreams? I also recognize that most of the higher-wage folks in our country worked hard to get there and are the ones most likely to create jobs. One of the biggest threats we face in our nation is the possibility that very soon most of the voters who elect leaders to pass our laws and fund the national budget will have never paid any taxes to support all these new programs. Right now, almost half are not required to pay any federal taxes. They won’t care how much health care, the military, or social programs cost because they will never be called upon to pay for them.

I say float a loan from Louisiana and then let them run the country. They pulled the coup of the year with a “$300 mil fix.” But, what’s $300 mil amongst friends. Deficit….shoot, there is no deficit. The 2nd stimulus package will give the Dems a little more slush money to buy a few more votes…I don’t believe any Repubs had their votes for sell did they?? Hope not.

abc, please replace the horrific close-up of pelosi’s plastified face…it’s too much to handle.

Democratic Civil War
or
The thinning of the sheep herd, as it could be also called.

Get all our troops out of the sand, bring them home now. Healthcare, don’t touch Medicare or SS, only do it if you can tax folks that make $200K and more,
or drop it. It’s going to be interesting to say the least.

Finally, some Democrats are standing up and saying “we cannot afford this war!”. Already, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has come close to bankrupting the country, and what has been gained? Nothing but dead Americans and allies, and an overdrawn bank account. Has anything changed geopolitically? Not really, other than the once stable Iraq is now a country torn with civil strife. Kudos to Congressman Obey for the courage to speak out against this fiscal insanity. Spending with no thought as to how to actually pay the war bill, was the rule of thumb for 8 years under President Bush and Republicans. Destroy the opium fields in Afghanistan, pull out our ground forces, bring our children home. Spend money on Americans, improving our lives at home. The big war corporations have made fortunes the last 8 years, it’s time to help average Americans.

It appears to me Obama talks like he has common sense but it is evident his talk is just to get people to believe in him so he can get away with running America by the rule book wrtten by a radical Markist professor named Saul Alinsky. In other words Obama is a phony
American.

His Commanders told him what they needed 6 months ago and he dithered the whole time. Parties at the White House and world wind travels seemed to be more of a priority for him. His Administration is a joke and Hopey-Changey is the biggest fraud ever perpetuated on the American people.

From 2016, USA will have to pay only interests US$560,000,000,000.00,which is shared 30% in a whole Federal taxes income to 1st creditor, China, 2nd is Japan and so on. The New York Times unvailed the shocking facts a few week ago. In addition to, American Federal Gov had printed US$1,000,000,000,000.00 on Mar. 20, 2009. It has absolutely affected that VALUE OF US DOLLARS BECOME WEAKEN. IN ORDER AMERICAN TO SURVIVE, OBAMA SHOULD GIVE UP ONE OF MONEY MONSTERS, HEALTH CARE REFORM OR AFGHANISTAN WAR ON TERROR.
AS A TAX PAYER, I WANT OBAMA TO choose to lead to victory Afghanistan War.