The President’s Most Important Meeting at APEC Is Not With An Asian Country Nor Does It Deal With the Economy
The most important meeting President Obama will have in Singapore at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum won't be with an Asian country, nor will it deal with economic issues.
The most important meeting the President will hold will be Sunday afternoon with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.
Medvedev and President Obama will discuss three primary topics, all dealing with nuclear nonproliferation: renegotiations of the START Treaty, due to expire next month, and efforts to end the nuclear programs of Iran and North Korea.
Senior Obama administration officials say meeting the December 5 deadline for a new START treaty is still a possibility.
The sticking points the two leaders and their teams will discuss tomorrow remain the same. One, for instance, is how to count nuclear weapons reductions given the asymmetrical nature of the US and Russian forces. Russian nuclear warheads are more land based; US warheads are more sea-based. Russians favor more warheads on fewer launchers; the US favors fewer warheads on more launchers.
Medvedev and Obama will also discuss potential sanctions on Iran, with the timing of such sanctions one anticipated topic of conversation.
The Russian newspaper Kommersant is reporting that sources in Medvedev's government say he is "100 percent ready" to support further sanctions against Iran if it does not agree to International Atomic Energy Agency proposals to remove its enriched uranium.
It is a delicate dance, pressuring Iran while not being seen as doing so too heavy-handedly. Medvedev's public comments have been more circumspect; he told Der Spiegel that "We wouldn't want this to end with international sanctions because sanctions, as a rule, take us in a very complex and dangerous direction. But if there is no movement forward, nobody is ruling out such a scenario."
Iran has balked at sending its low-enriched uranium to Russia to be further enriched and returned to Iran for use in the Tehran medical research reactor, with Iranian leaders fearing that once the uranium is out of the country, it will never come back. The Obama administration has sent back-channel messages proposing that Iran send its stockpile to other nations for the short term, including Turkey and Kazakhstan, for temporary safekeeping.
All of this negotiation is going on with initial reports from the inspections of the Qom facility indicating the facility is large enough to manufacture weapons-grade uranium that could be used to make nuclear warheads.
The third subject of the Obama-Medvedev meeting, North Korea, is more of an update, with President Obama expected to give details to Medvedev about the pending visit of former US Ambassador to South Korea Stephen Bosworth to Pyongyang to hold "bilateral talks" with North Korean officials.
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Disgrace. Jobs, Obama, jobs. I guess you won’t learn that’s what Americans care about until 2010.
Posted by: Huh? | November 14, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Holy Moly, did anyone else see Obama BOW deeply to the emperor of Japan? Now, tell me again he didn’t bow to the Saudi king.
This is embarrassing.
Posted by: Carrot Top | November 14, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
US president BOWS deeply to another foreign head of state.
Posted by: Karat Top | November 14, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Jobs, Obama, jobs. I guess you won’t learn that’s what Americans care about until 2010.
Huh? | Nov 14, 2009 11:59:08 AM
What, SPECIFICALLY, do you want Obama to do about jobs? Another quarter-trillion in tax breaks? Anyhow, that’s not what Americans really care about (at least on the Right):
“Holy Moly, did anyone else see Obama BOW”
“US president BOWS”
And you’re implying that the President, who ushered through over $750 billion in stimulus (including all the tax breaks) is the one out of touch?
Posted by: jhw539 | November 14, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
“US president BOWS deeply to another foreign head of state.”
Would you rather he curtsy?
Posted by: WWW | November 14, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Good grief.
Another submissive bow from Obama.
This time to Japan.
China owns us–what will Obama do to show his sumbission to China?
Posted by: larry | November 14, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
The whole world knows Obama is weak.
He just bowed to remove all doubts.
Posted by: kyle | November 14, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Obama needs to resign.
Posted by: tanarg | November 14, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
We had a cowboy.
Now we have a cream puff.
I miss the cowboy.
I look forward to the moose hunter hockey mom.
Posted by: hank | November 14, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
In response to what Obama should do about jobs, he should stop changing the lanes of the highway in the middle of rush hour. We’re in an economic crisis. Instead of pandering to his liberal base on health care and having Nancy Pelosi and the team threaten employers with fines, higher taxes and other penalties, he should be purely focused on reforming our financial institutions and on pulling the government out of the axis with big business. He should also put an end to EFCA and other Andy Stern/Union wish lists. When the government violated centuries old bankruptcy laws in their takeover of Chrysler and GM, it scared the private sector stiff. What will the government do next? How will this affect my business? How can we add jobs in this environment. The private sector cannot add jobs when they are guessing at what the future health care codes will be. How can they budget for increased employment if they don’t know the scope of the insurance plans they’ll be mandated to provide or the fines they’ll face if they cut benefits and let the employees go to the public option. There are countless other examples of how this meddling administration has created an uncertain environment in which the private sector is supposed to operate. That kills growth and jobs. The only people benefiting right now are people on public payrolls, which won’t get America anywhere. If we’re going to grow, the public employee payrolls will have to be reduced, obscene public empolyee pensions and benefits will have to be addressed and the private sector will have to be unleashed to be innovative and strong. Over the past 12 years, but especially these last 10 months, we’ve tilted the balance way to much to the public sector. It has to stop. No country can grow that way, see Europe.
Posted by: Aaron | November 14, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Someone ought to put a Whoopie cushion
on Obama’s chair at some point in the
trip. That is consistent with the
sum total of his “gravitas”.
Posted by: grizzlybare | November 14, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Um, you do realize that President Bush not only bowed to the Saudi King but also kissed his hands. He also bowed to the Pope, and to King Abdullah. So why is there an issue now?
Posted by: Try the truth | November 14, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
How is our President’s dealing with nuclear nonproliferation, the START Treaty (BTW, due to expire next month) or working with other nations to end the nuclear programs of Iran and North Korea somehow a “disgrace”?
Posted by: CenterOne | November 14, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Why did Obama leave the country when his attorney general announced the 9/11 terrorists would be tried in New York? Does he think this issue is going to die down any time soon? It’s going to be a circus, with radical Islamists putting America on trial. This was a cynical, political ploy designed to satisfy the left-wing idiots in the Democratic Socialist Party. Absolultely no regard was shown for New Yorkers, who are now even more of a target for terrorism than they ever have been.
I’d like to see this headline in the NY Times: OBAMA THROWS NEW YORK UNDER THE BUS.
Posted by: Loretta | November 14, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Carrot Top, he was NOT bowing to the Japanese emporer. His spine simply slipped out of place and he lost his balance.
Posted by: Loretta | November 14, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Hey, Carrot top, I don’t really care if Obama bows to the guy from Japan. I just wish he’d cease and desist with the apology tours. Every time he goes overseas, he gives the same basic speech: “I’m Barack, it’s all about me. America was a big crap sandwich before I showed up to make it great again.”
Posted by: Lindsay M. | November 14, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
He left the country because he knew he took a different stand in 2006, saying the terrorists should have a military trial. Another flip flop lie from obama.
Posted by: Jenny | November 14, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
@trythetruth:
RE: “President Bush not only bowed to the Saudi King but also kissed his hands.”
So when Obama does something that Bush did, it makes it okay?
Wow, that Bush was one smart guy, setting the trends and leadership for every future President.
No wonder so many people liked Bush.
And I see that Obama is also following Bush`s lead in Presidential popularity polls- down, down, down.
Posted by: Leslie Langford | November 14, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
That’s for pointing that out, Jenny. I didn’t realize Obama had ever said the 9/11 terrorists should have a military trial. I shouldn’t be surprised at his about-face, though. He does it on a regular basis.
Posted by: Janet | November 14, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Aaron, those are some very thoughtful, insightful comments on what Obama should to about jobs. This is the kind of comment we should see more of on blogs.
Posted by: Ida Roescher | November 14, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
That’s for pointing that out, Jenny. I didn’t realize Obama had ever said the 9/11 terrorists should have a military trial. I shouldn’t be surprised at his about-face, though. He does it on a regular basis.
Posted by: Janet | Nov 14, 2009 3:11:42 PM
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It was on 9/27/06 during a debate of the Miltary Commissions Act of 2006 which was passed on 10/17/06.
Posted by: Jenny | November 14, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Here’s my prediction, for what it’s worth: Obama’s numbers will fall into the mid-forties by summer of 2010, after he’s pushed immigration “reform.” The Republicans will regain seats in Congress in 2010, but not enough because they’ll still be fighting with each other over the conservative v. moderate issue.
A watered-down version of Obamacare will be passed, further dividing the country. More and more moderate Dems will move away from Obama in 2010, as he pays lip service to jobs and unemployment remains high.
By 2012, the Republicans will stop fighting with each other long enough to unite against Obama. Fiscally conservative Independents will hold their nose and vote Republican because the only alternative is four more years of left-wing governance.
The President in January, 2013 will be a Republican. I’m predicting Mitt Romney/John Thune of SD.
Before you write off my prediction, consider this: I voted for the first time in 1972, and I’ve only been wrong once in my predictions since then. (I predicted the country would never elect George Bush for a second time.)
Posted by: Ida Roescher | November 14, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
“US president BOWS deeply to another foreign head of state.”
Would you rather he curtsy?
Posted by: WWW | Nov 14, 2009 12:38:15 PM
I read a funny quote at Instaputz about this, but I have to change a couple words, so this is a paraphrase: “For every hour [conservatives or other naysayers] spend [uh... complaining or kvetching] about how Obama is bowing to a foreign leader, that’s one less hour they’re not making up lies about health care reform. Small price to pay, no?”
True, that.
I can’t imagine the distraction if he curtsied!
Posted by: Callie | November 14, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Obama and Medvedev has lots in common.
That is not a compliment.
Posted by: wis134 | November 14, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Um, you do realize that President Bush not only bowed to the Saudi King but also kissed his hands. He also bowed to the Pope, and to King Abdullah. So why is there an issue now?
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The Bush family was in bed with the Saudis to the tune of billions of dollars of oil money – and it tainted all the American relations in the middle east. The reason the right tries to frame Obama is because they’re trying to make us forget who the real bum boy was.
Posted by: tierra | November 14, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Morale has fallen among soldiers in Afghanistan, where troops are seeing record violence in the 8-year-old war, while those in Iraq show much improved mental health amid much lower violence, the Army said Friday.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Gallup has President Obama’s approval rating at 54% today.
Posted by: tierra | November 14, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Now we have a cream puff.
I miss the cowboy.
hank | Nov 14, 2009 1:48:05 PM
Ask the Somalia pirates how much of a cream puff he is. Or the record number of Al Quaida leadership assassinated by Predator drone. Or the terrorists still being held at Bagram. Or China shocked by an administration who dared levy a tariff on part of their stacked-deck export portfolio. Or the Taliban who have seen the American boots on the ground increase more in 9 months than in the prior 7 years.
Yeah, but he’s just a cream puff in Right Wing Fantasy Land.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 14, 2009, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Instead of pandering to his liberal base on health care and having Nancy Pelosi and the team threaten employers with fines, higher taxes and other penalties, he should be purely focused on reforming our financial institutions and on pulling the government out of the axis with big business.
Aaron | Nov 14, 2009 2:06:15 PM
Wow. Are you serious? That passes for critical thought on the Right? Continue saddling business with the stifling spiral of health care costs to help (?) the economy? NO other first world nation business spends anything at all on health care – is it at all surprising how much trouble our exports have competing?
“The President and the Congress have put forward good ideas to improve the productivity of our health care sector. These policies need to be strengthened and adopted because health care reform without controlling costs is no reform at all.”Mike Duke, CEO of Walmart
But what does he know about business? Even Walmart hasn’t bought as many Congressmen as the $2 trillion/yr health care complex so they don’t matter to Republicans I guess.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 14, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
This is a great comment, Aaron. It bears repeating:
“In response to what Obama should do about jobs, he should stop changing the lanes of the highway in the middle of rush hour.
We’re in an economic crisis.
Instead of pandering to his liberal base on health care and having Nancy Pelosi and the team threaten employers with fines, higher taxes and other penalties, he should be purely focused on reforming our financial institutions and on pulling the government out of the axis with big business.
He should also put an end to EFCA and other Andy Stern/Union wish lists. When the government violated centuries old bankruptcy laws in their takeover of Chrysler and GM, it scared the private sector stiff.
What will the government do next? How will this affect my business? How can we add jobs in this environment. The private sector cannot add jobs when they are guessing at what the future health care codes will be. How can they budget for increased employment if they don’t know the scope of the insurance plans they’ll be mandated to provide or the fines they’ll face if they cut benefits and let the employees go to the public option. There are countless other examples of how this meddling administration has created an uncertain environment in which the private sector is supposed to operate. That kills growth and jobs.
The only people benefiting right now are people on public payrolls, which won’t get America anywhere.
If we’re going to grow, the public employee payrolls will have to be reduced, obscene public empolyee pensions and benefits will have to be addressed and the private sector will have to be unleashed to be innovative and strong.
Over the past 12 years, but especially these last 10 months, we’ve tilted the balance way to much to the public sector. It has to stop. No country can grow that way, see Europe.”
Speaking of Wal-Mart… via Bloomberg:
“Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world’s largest retailer, said it’s allowing more than 1,000 apparel companies to benefit from its high credit rating and arrange financing after CIT Group Inc. filed for bankruptcy…”
That’s thinking outside the box. Lack of available lines of credit are killing small and medium businesses.
Posted by: Krakatoa | November 14, 2009, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
And you’re implying that the President, who ushered through over $750 billion in stimulus (including all the tax breaks) is the one out of touch?
Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 14, 2009 12:36:16 PM
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There was a time I thought this blog, among others, was worth time for discussion. At that time, I used to applaud your courage fighting for your belief. However, I’ve come to lose some respect for you. I think there’s a time where one has to understand the difference between rational people and nuts. In this case, it is clear we’re dealing with delusional people who have nothing but hate. These people wouldn’t sweat a tear should Obama drop dead. What’s there to discuss about?
Posted by: David | November 14, 2009, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
“NO other first world nation business spends anything at all on health care.”
First, it continues to amaze me that we are constantly exhorted to do things because all other “first world nations” do them. The UK is a first world nation; its healthcare system is a cruel and abysmal failure. Russia and Germany are first world nations; in my lifetime both thought communist economics made sense and both used the genocide of millions as instruments of national policy.
Second, there is a reason that US businesses spend money on healthcare: the US Congress amended the tax code to give them an incentive to do so, and give individuals an incentive to avoid providing for themselves and instead to require it of their employers. That same body now proposes not to eliminate these mindless distortions, but rather to introduce an incomprehensible array of further distortions. But don’t worry: this time they’ll get it right.
The unshakeable faith that some Americans continue to repose in the federal government is a phenomenon not to be explained by reason.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
It is also worth noting that while other nations’ businesses do not spend on healthcare, their taxpayers do so to a degree unimagined in this country (it is not “free” anywhere on earth, and never will be.)
Over the long haul, I’ll take the performance of American business over that of any other first world country, and by a long shot. Or at least I would have at any time in history until this president and this congress were installed. Now, all bets are off.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Posted by: Leslie Langford | Nov 14, 2009 3:10:43 PM @trythetruth:
RE: “President Bush not only bowed to the Saudi King but also kissed his hands.”
So when Obama does something that Bush did, it makes it okay?
Wow, that Bush was one smart guy, setting the trends and leadership for every future President.
No wonder so many people liked Bush.
And I see that Obama is also following Bush`s lead in Presidential popularity polls- down, down, down.
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Sorry you don’t get the fact that your all foaming at the mouth spouting your double standards! I guess you also missed the kings bow to President Obama, it’s called foreign protocol. I know common courtesy for another customs are foreign to you. FYI President Obama is at 54% approval rating as of today. So he’s going up, up, up!
Posted by: Try the truth | November 14, 2009, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
“David Kilcullen, one of the world’s leading authorities on counter-insurgency and an adviser to the British government as well as the US state department, said Obama’s delay in reaching a decision over extra troops had been “messy”. He said it not only worried US allies but created uncertainty the Taliban could exploit.
Speaking in an interview with the Guardian, he compared the president to someone ‘pontificating’ over whether to send enough firefighters into a burning building to put a fire out.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
This is economist Robert J. Samuelson discussing the insanity widely known as Obamacare, and the actions of the president and congress:
“Their sweeping overhaul of the health-care system—which Congress is halfway toward enacting—would almost certainly make matters worse. It would create new, open-ended medical entitlements that would probably expand deficits and do little to suppress surging health costs. The disconnect between what Obama says and what he’s doing is so glaring that most people could not abide it. The president and his allies have no trouble. But reconciling blatantly contradictory objectives requires them to engage in willful self-deception, public dishonesty, or both.”
Samuelson is no partisan. Every American should carefully consider what he is saying.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Don’t get ot confident about Obama’s approval. Rasmussen poll-The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 29% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -9. Forty-five percent (45%) of U.S. voters now give President Obama poor marks for his handling of the economy, the highest level of disapproval this year.
Posted by: jschmidt | November 14, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
“And I see that Obama is also following Bush`s lead in Presidential popularity polls- down, down, down.”
If you’re talking about Obama’s job approval ratings, not every poll has him down, down, down. Today he’s up a couple of points in both Rasmussen* and Gallup daily polls. He was also up a point in the latest Fox News poll.
Additionally, Rasmussen* actually has Obama with a positive spread in his approval rating today: 50% approve, 49% disapprove. First time Rasmussen* has swung in that direction in over a month.
*Choice pollster of conservatives
Posted by: Numeros | November 14, 2009, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
David Kilcullen said on November 12, 2009:
Whenever we send more troops, violence will spike almost by definition. More combatants means more combat.
And . .. we’ve suffered from only incrementally increasing the number of troops over the years. The Taliban has proven itself capable of absorbing the impact from an additional 10-30 thousand troops. We need to either “overmatch” them with a substantially larger deployment OR NOT SEND ANY AT ALL (or possibly draw down).
Posted by: tierra | November 14, 2009, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
More from Samuelson:
“Equally misleading, Obama’s advisers assert that the present proposals would slow the growth of overall national health spending. Outside studies disagree. Three studies (two by the consulting firm the Lewin Group and one by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, a federal agency) conclude that various congressional plans would increase national health spending compared with no legislation. The studies estimate the extra spending, over the next decade, at $750 billion, $525 billion, and $114 billion, respectively. The reasoning: greater use of the health-care system by the newly insured would overwhelm cost-saving measures (“bundled payments,” “comparative effectiveness research,” tort reform), which are weak or experimental.”
What this distinguished economist is saying is (1) these people are lying to you, and (2) these people are nuts.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
So, Tierra, what exactly is it that excuses Mr. Obama’s delay? It was he, after all, who declared it a just war that must be won.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
healthcare by $289 billion over the next 10 years, according to an analysis by the chief actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). The CMS report is a blow to the White House and House Democrats who have vowed that healthcare reform would curb the growth of healthcare spending.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
I wonder if Medvedev will bow when greeting Obama.
Posted by: Sigmonde | November 14, 2009, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
“The unshakeable faith that some Americans continue to repose in the federal government is a phenomenon not to be explained by reason.”
If you want to argue about misplaced faith, I don’t see it as reasonable to expect us to put our faith in corporate America when it’s been shown time and again that they can’t be trusted to operate in the public’s best interests. Part of the reason that this healthcare initiative has gotten as far as it has is more and more Americans who are happy with their healthcare, because they have never had to draw serious claims, are hearing true stories of abuse from people who have. Merely the fact that health insurance companies invest millions to figure out ways to drop costly policies should be evidence enough for anybody that they can’t be trusted to protect the sick.
Posted by: Skip | November 14, 2009, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
It is idle nonsense to talk about putting one’s faith in “corporate America” (what does that term mean?) as opposed to the central government, as if those were the only two choices. To the extent that the choice has any meaning at all, it should be recalled that the corporate entities involved in the recent financial collapse operated entirely according to the incentives established for them by the government. But next time, of course, the government will get it right, just as they will with healthcare. Sure.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
From the CMS report:
“Medicare would be cut by ‘more than one-half trillion dollars ($571 billion), … possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries,’ according to the report, and smaller companies would be ‘inclined to terminate their existing coverage.’”
It doesn’t matter at all to Pelosi, Reid or Obama. This has long since ceased being a debate over anyone’s actual healthcare, and even less a question of costs. It is simply a question of whether they can get a bill passed, and as we have seen, there is no deceit to which they won’t resort to do it.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 14, 2009, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
“It is idle nonsense to talk about putting one’s faith in “corporate America” (what does that term mean?) as opposed to the central government, as if those were the only two choices.”
You’re right. There is the additional differentiation between whether the government is controlled by Republicans or Democrats. When the Republicans are in control there is basically only one choice since in that case large corporations are actually running the government.
Posted by: Skip | November 14, 2009, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Nov 14, 2009 6:58:47 PM
Re Samuelson, I chuckled at his disclaimer at the end, something to the effect of “of course I could be totally wrong.” I’m paraphrasing.
More interesting to me was David Leonhardt’s article this week “Falling Far Short of Reform” in which he addresses cost and names six big issues to keep an eye on in the coming weeks, as well as Ezra Klein’s interview with John Gruber (a well-respected MIT economist if we’re quoting economists–”In 2006, he received the American Society of Health Economists Inaugural Medal for the best health economist in the nation aged 40 and under. He’s unabashedly pro-reform, but he’s from the camp of reformers that worry incessantly about the economics of the plan.”). The interview is called “Does health-care reform do enough on cost control?”
Posted by: Scarletti | November 14, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
The Democrats and present administration have already caused great damage to this country thus far. Reliable sources have informed me of one of our major oil companies in the U.S. will be announcing a major lay off within the next couple months and will be focusing on completing their move overseas. This will be devastating to the employees and the economy. So I quess we will become more dependent on foreign oil even more.
Posted by: bailedout | November 14, 2009, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I wonder if Dmitry Medvedev will have his own teleprompter, or will Obama share his?
Posted by: Laughin__ALL_The_Way | November 15, 2009, 2:07 am 2:07 am
As an American who is living overseas, I am constantly reminded how much a sad joke Obama is.
No amount of spin by the NYT and IHT hides that from people here who just laugh and shake their heads!!
Posted by: RobertM | November 15, 2009, 2:20 am 2:20 am
RobertM – I concur. I too am an American living abroad (Europe). I wish I had a nickel for every conversation I’ve had with local nationals on the stupidity of our President.
They are particularly amused at his speaking manner – he always looks like he’s watching a tennis match, looking left, looking right, never looking center.
They’re also wondering why he hasn’t made a decision since he’s been in office – they’re focusing on their OWN involvement in Afghanistan, and since their OWN leaders are waiting for our “leader” to make a decision, he’s making THEIR leaders look foolish too.
We usually finish the conversation in full agreement – November of 2010 will result in another shift in power in the US, and Obama is finished in 2012. We then laugh, shake hands, and say “If we can make it to 2012…”
Posted by: Laughin__ALL_The_Way | November 15, 2009, 2:32 am 2:32 am
“the stupidity of our President”
Posted by: Laughin__ALL_The_Way | Nov 15, 2009 2:32:45 AM
President Obama’s overseas numbers are extraordinary positive. ‘Confidence in Obama’ ratings are also very high.
Perhaps you’re having a stupid conversation with yourself about how stupid the President is . . . that would explain the stupidity.
Posted by: tierra | November 15, 2009, 2:52 am 2:52 am
Posted by: RobertM | Nov 15, 2009 2:20:27 AM
I find exactly the opposite – people are SO glad Bush and Cheney and the Republicans are gone (they considered them basically cretins and hypocrites) – and very impressed with both Obama and America for electing him.
Posted by: tierra | November 15, 2009, 2:55 am 2:55 am
I’ll be sure and pinch the NATO troops I work with the next time I see them, just to see if they’re “real” or “imagined.”
Meanwhile, when do YOU think Obama is going to make his first REAL decision – and no, deciding what color suit to wear doesn’t count.
Posted by: Laughin__ALL_The_Way | November 15, 2009, 4:11 am 4:11 am
tierra: No kidding…….he has high numbers over seas…..since they hate America and want it to fail….I wonder why they feel that why??? 3 more years of this president there will be no more America……….Just land of the illegal……legalized….and land of overwelming poverty.
Posted by: Gayle | November 15, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
An excise tax on high-priced insurance policies might violate President Obama’s pledge to not raise taxes on the middle class, House Democratic Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Wednesday night. ”I do not want to see anything jeopardize the president’s promise not to raise taxes on the middle-class,” Clyburn told MSNBC. ”And that could very well get us there.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 15, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am
All the jealous conservatives commenting on this site….jealous of the president’s popularity and jealous of how the president is working to solving issues the past president did not tackle.
Good job Obama keep working and fighting….may god keep you in his light.
Posted by: Karen | November 15, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
“There is the additional differentiation between whether the government is controlled by Republicans or Democrats. When the Republicans are in control there is basically only one choice since in that case large corporations are actually running the government.”
A common bit of yokel mythology. Adulthood begins with the realization that it matters very little which party is “in control” (when the White House and congress are split, which party would that be?). The malignant intrusion of government into private lives marches on under either party.
At this particular moment in history, it seems that the Republicans are far more likely than the Democrats to resist the coming unprecedented intrusions, and so I support them. By my unalloyed skepticism about the ability of the government to do good does not change.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 15, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
“The interview is called ‘Does health-care reform do enough on cost control?’”
I know of no economist (except perhaps former Enron advisor Paul Krugman) who believes this measure will control costs at all.
But the important thing to remember is that this issue has long since stopped being about healthcare or costs. It is now simply a matter of “can we get a bill passed?”
Everyone knows now that most of what the Dems and Obama are saying about it is untrue and intended to deceive.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 15, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.
The report, requested by House Republicans, found that Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 15, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
“At this particular moment in history, it seems that the Republicans are far more likely than the Democrats to resist the coming unprecedented intrusions, and so I support them.”
“At this particular moment in history”? Adulthood comes with facing the truth. The Republicans are almost always more likely to resist your so called ‘intrusions’, which we less derisively call reform in the public’s best interests, and fight instead for the interests of big business. And while I’d like to take credit for inventing the term ‘Corporate America’ your claim to be unfamiliar with it plainly shows you would like to obscure this relationship and say government by either party is the same. I’ve seen enough blatant pandering to big business by the Republicans to know otherwise.
Posted by: Skip | November 15, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Posted by: Laughin__ALL_The_Way and RobertM – I don’t live overseas, but work with international dealers. They are very frank about the US and it’s involvement in the global recession. It’s not complimentary.
But none of them consider President Obama “a sad joke” or are “amused by his speaking manner” – maybe I work with in a less concentrated pool of conservatives, but most of my international colleagues are greatly relieved the Cowboy is out of office.
However, maybe there’s another reason for the different read. I’ve seen repeated posts on this site by people pretending to be someone they are not.
I presume it’s to build false support for their earlier posts, usually critical of President Obama with petty comments about his appearance or stupidity. After 8 years of listening to Europeans and Asians remark about GW Bush, this is strange to me indeed.
Posted by: CenterOne | November 15, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm