White House on NY-23: ‘Anger Can Get You 45% of the Vote’

Anger & race baiting got him elected.
When is he going to realize the election is over, he is the Pres & get on with it?
The American people are sick of this already.
The endless Pravda like propaganda out of these people is truly something to see.
V is an appropriate movie on Obama and will most likely land ABC on the white house enemies list.

How do you stomach sitting through this BS everyday?

“we watched a party pick a candidate and then purge that candidate.”
We actually watched a small group of people pick a candidate, a party dump about $1 million into that candidate’s campaign because it doesn’t know what it’s doing, and a group of conservative citizens of the United States express their own opinion by voting for a candidate of their choice.
We also watched a Hoffman supporter get his tires slashed…

PBO needs to fill his barnyard with more like Olympia Snowe, Free Range Republican. All this polling does nothing but give feed to pointless discussion about which chicken is going to be the new rooster for a day.

More Kaus:
“Loser: Health care reform (see above) …
“Loser: Obama, who tried to work his magic for Corzine and discovered it wasn’t there. (I don’t buy the “he invested his prestige” line. A President is still allowed to try to help in a tight race. But he was clearly not a transformative presence in this one. It was more an Olympics bid situation.)”

I’m thinking of contributing to Sarah Palin’s campaign if she runs. She’s the kiss-of-death to the GOP that will give the Dem’s the time it’ll take to clear up the total mess the Bush administration left the country in.

It’s not really surprising to see Virginia elect a Republican governor.
It is a surprise to see one in Jersey…. although Corzine has been in trouble since the day he took office.
I agree that NY-23 is not too surprising, given that the Conservative candidate was a raving lunatic.
The real lesson here is that it’s not a bad thing to be middle of the road.
I don’t think that the GOP is going to pay attention to this message… but I hope they do. I would vote Republican half the time if we could get away from people like Wilson, Bachmann, Palin, Beck, Cheney, and other whackjobs.
But the Obama-haters have no sense of moderation. They can’t just criticize a policy…. and hope for the best. They have to have it all one way. And I think that’s why voters in NY freaked and rejected the cuckoo party candidate.

I’m thinking of contributing to Sarah Palin’s campaign if she runs. She’s the kiss-of-death to the GOP that will give the Dem’s the time it’ll take to clear up the total mess the Bush administration left the country in.
Posted by: Shaun Wallace | Nov 4, 2009 11:43:53 AM
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Um, the amount of money and time Obama and the dems spent on their losing races (that’s pural) says a lot more than Palin’s endorsement of a candidate that lost in NY23.

Michael Bloomberg spent $100 million on his reelection campaign. His Democratic challenger spent $7 million and came within 51,000 votes.
I wonder what White House support for the Democrat would have done in that race.

Keep spinning Gibbs…its your job we understand that, but we also know that there is an uprising in this country against your administrations attempt to destroy the free market system! The problem in this election was the Republican party decided to run a wolf(democrat) in sheeps clothing and people spoke out. It may have cost them this election, but if they listen and start running real conservatives from the start, 2010 will be a route!

NY-23 just proved the GOP is incompetent and trying to play dem lite for the win instead of standing on principle. Voters are craving principle in this climate. The GOP was called out by the voters who had a no name guy off the street kick their ass. So the liberal lost, the blue dog won, and the conservative came in a close second. Imagine if the GOP just had some balls. Get out of the way GOP.

So the two races where Obama campaigned … and the Democrat lost … ‘portend” nothing.
Are sure that Gibbs didn’t work at Disneyland like Ron Zeigler ?

The reason for Obama’s “approval” rating being in the clouds – is that people are still being called racists for not falling to his feet.
If anyone questions me…..I’m all for the man – then I turn around and will vote against the direction he is taing this country.
pundits….heh.

This coming from a white house that supported Corzine calling his opponent fat.

So B.S. marketing, crazy promises and naive voters can get you what… 52.9 % of the vote?

Rush predicted the “Gibbs/WH spin yesterday—the big elections VA-NJ- mean nothing but the woodchucker voters who are constantly freezing thie asses off ( I once lived there) got it right yup! And Howard Stern(Obama’s tsar_ is not a communist Right again Gibbs!!Wake up America before it is too late!

Why is it that the Democrats are never expected to be a “big tent party” but the GOP suddenly is to the elites in the MSM? I’d like to see how far a Democrat candidate would get if they said they were pro life or favored tax cuts or were against gay marriage. Talk about a litmus test! Look at Joe Lieberman… he had to become an independent because he dared to disagree with the liberal base on national security issues. Yet nobody in the media ever questions them about how small their tent is. The double standard and hypocrisy here is almost laughable.

“Baghdad Bob” Gibbs strikes again.
“I think the data from the gubernatorial races demonstrates that voters went to the polls in those two contests to talk about and work though very local issues that didn’t involve the president,” Gibbs said.
Obama campaigned heavily for Corzine, calling him his “partner” and putting his prestige on the line. Joe Biden made a couple of campaign appearances, too, and the White House supervised the campaign in the final weeks after Corzine initially fell behind. Obama made the argument for Corzine all about Obama — and New Jersey, one of the bluest states in the nation, rejected him bigtime.

Obama’s charismatic influence is fading. The bloom is off the rose.
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A dopey grin and a whole lot of snakeoil can get you 53% of the vote and in the Oval Office.

Is Gibbs joking? Obama was just destroyed yesterday. NJ the darkest, bluest of states just whacked Obama right in the face and his radical agenda. VA was a nightmare for Obama and his radical agenda. Obama compaigned in NJ and VA and made it about him.
The NY-23 race was almost won by a guy nobody even knew of 2 weeks ago. The dems brought off the Liberal Dede to win. The RNCC spent 900,000 for Dede and bashed Hoffman right up until teh liberal quit and backed the dem. There were absentee ballots that were mailed in for Dede way before she quit and her name stayed on the ballots.
The conservatives accomplished what they wanted in NY. They kept the liberal Dede from winning. If the republicans had put up Hoffman in the first place he would have beat Owens, no contest. Palin didn’t compaign in NY, she endorsed Hoffman with a FB note and that was it.
In 2010 true republicans will run in NY and the rest of the country and win
Gibbs is clueless and a complete joke.

Now we know why Obama wasn’t aware of the election results last night.
He was watching himself on HBO–his favorite celebrity.
Obama must have been longing for the good old days on the campaign trail.
Thrilling the crowds, on TV everyday, no tough decisions to make.
Kind of like he spends his time as president–still voting present and having a blast.

Once again Mr. Gibbs you got it wrong. It’s not anger. It’s frustration and disappointment. We were promissed hope and change and all we got was more beuocracy, higher taxes, and even higher unemployment. But oh no, its all Bush’s fault. That rhetoric only lasts so long until people get sick of hearing it.

“NY-23 just proved the GOP is incompetent and trying to play dem lite for the win instead of standing on principle”
Dede likely would have won.
But right wingers could not stand to have someone picked by the people of district 23.
Instead they sent in a Beck sycophant and he lost.

Hoffman did the job.
Got rid of a RINO so liberal she was endorsed by Daily Kos.
Replaced her with a moderate Democrat.
Sent a message to GOP–no more RINO’s
or we’ll vote you out.
Motivated the tea party crowd.
Thanks Doug Hoffman
Good Job!

Doug Hoffman is a winner to me!
Untainted by the cesspool in Washington and standing up for his principles.
Way more guts than anyone in the WHite House.

isn’t Robert Gibbs a singer with the Bee Gees anyway? What does he know about politics anyway! Just what we need another brainless entertainer with a political opinion!

Looks like New Jersey/Virginia weren’t too impressed by all those jobs saved by the stimulus.
Kudos to the Seniors and the Independents.
You sent a strong message to everyone that dares to listen. Obama too busy watching himself on HBO.

Let’s get health care and energy done and create jobs.
Posted by: Alyson
LOL Alyson!! I can always count on the ego and blind allegiance of liberals to make me laugh. Allison, if you and Ryan cant think for yourselves watch Beck and he will give you some good questions we should be asking our government.

Creigh Deeds, was also the least progressive Democratic candidate
Posted by: Alyson | Nov 4, 2009 12:59:46 PM
John Corzine is “progressive”? OMG! He’s a paid hack previously from Goldman Sachs who walked away with $400 million dollars in 1999!
He also had a relationship with Carla Katz, president of a local branch of the Communications Workers of America which represented state workers. It ended in 2004 and became public knowledge during his 2005 campaign for Governor.
The reason Obama went to NJ so many times is he wanted an ex-GS hack to stay as NJ Governor.
Progressive. Yea I guess that’s what passes for progressive these days.

Obama had to be rocked to sleep last night. The blame Bush excuse has stopped working.
Now what will he do?

nobama12
“isn’t Robert Gibbs a singer with the Bee Gees anyway? What does he know about politics anyway! Just what we need another brainless entertainer with a political opinion!”
No Doubt. Plus with all the weight he has gained..jeez.
They should get Sting or Bono as press secretary. They both get thrills up the leg listening to O and the press corp would get a thrill up their legs at every mindless briefing.
I’m sure both guys could be as vague & nonsensical as Gibbs is.

Let’s get health care and energy done and create jobs.
Posted by: Alyson | Nov 4, 2009 12:59:46 PM
Frank Luntz on Fox last night: “What’s the most important issue going into 2010?”
People in Focus Group: “Jobs!”
Notice they didn’t yell “Health Care!” or “Cap & Trade!”

“Ryan C get over yourself. Glenn Beck never endorsed Hoffman!”
I said Hoffman was a Beck sycophant not the other way around.
TP:”But the 9/12 pledge isn’t the only pandering Hoffman has done to secure Beck’s enthusiastic support. Today on his radio program, Beck continued to nudge Hoffman to be more conservative. After being prodded by Beck to say climate change is not caused by human activity, Hoffman announced, “Well, I think there’s a lot of debate on there. I don’t believe that it’s totally manmade.” Beck cohost Pat Gray praised Hoffman’s lurch to the right, noting “he’s getting stronger every second.” Beck chimed in, agreeing, “He’s getting stronger, there it is, every second.” Hoffman then groveled:
PAT: Every second. What about
HOFFMAN: I have good mentors here.
GLENN: Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Are they mentors that will show –
HOFFMAN: I’m talking about you, Glenn.
GLENN: Oh, okay. I was going to say all right, as long as they are standing out from the shadows. [...]
HOFFMAN: No. Yeah, well, I’m going to keep in touch with people like you so I don’t get infected with that disease.”
Sometimes its just too easy….

“These elections were choices about OUR communities, OUR states, OUR districts and so on”
I don’t agree with much of what you say but this was a good line

Gibbs comes across as such an arrogant putz.

“The registered voters in NY-23 were the only ones who voted. That’s why they count the votes. She was on the ballot – they could have voted for her. Hoffman could have gotten zero votes – but he didn’t. He got 45%.”
No, right wingers did their best to force her from the race.
She was a local pol who had been picked by the local party operation.
But right wingers who had never set foot in NY-23 pushed her out.
But she got the last laugh.
Glenn Beck the lunatic is considering a 2012 run (as speculated by right wing blogs like Hot Air).
They(Allahpundit in particular) think that’s a disaster and Obama re-election waiting to happen, thoughts?

Doing “Jack Squat” can get you a Nobel PC Prize.

I know a lot of you are still on the health care kick and while that’s happening H.R.3126 CFPA is getting close to being voted on.
H.R. 3126 would create a new regulator appointed by President Obama. It would have the power to strip from consumers their freedom of choice and restrict their credit opportunities in the midst of a financial recession — all in the name of “consumer protection.” For example, agency bureaucrats could tell people how many loans they may take and how they will borrow money. They will also have the authority to assess fees on lenders to pay for the cost of the new agency, thus increasing the cost to the consumer. Rules that regulate an already working industry to “streamline” the regulatory system are unnecessary. Finally, this agency will give the government control over compensation standards for employees of financial services institutions and could eliminate arbitration clauses.
1.• The director will have unfettered power to regulate, investigate, prosecute, try and sentence any lenders they deem unfair.
2. • There are 33 independent federal agencies, and none of them has a director with the authority that would be delegated by this legislation.
3. • The problems that the Administration and Chairman Frank are trying to address took place on Wall Street, not Main Street USA.
4. • The installment loan industry is not opposed to consumer protection; however, the installment loan industry is currently regulated at the state level, with strict guidelines and requires transparency for the consumer.
5.• In addition to the license fees the industry pays, each lender is audited by the state throughout the year for compliance review. The CFPA would strip the power from the state regulatory authority and create yet another large Federal bureaucracy with a director with the power to deem certain products unlawful.
6. • It would have the power to strip from consumers their freedom of choice and restrict their credit opportunities in the midst of a financial recession — all in the name of consumer protection. For example, agency bureaucrats could tell our customers who could qualify for a loan, how many loans they may take and on what terms they could repay the loan.
This is not something that I voted for or would ever vote to have the Federal Government that involved in my financial decisions.I would hope that the Administration and Congress would try fixing the many regulatory agencies that currently exist, rather than creating another one.

Liberal Democrat Mickey Kaus, November 4:
“Winner: Robopolls. Rasmussen’s final poll, showing a 46-43-8 Christie win, was pretty damn accurate. Polls using conventional human operators tended to show Corzine ahead. They were wrong. … If you have a choice between Rasmussen and, say, the presitigous N.Y.Times, go with Rasmussen! … Why this is important: Rasmussen’s polls tend to show the highest level of opposition to health care reform. If they accurately predict who will turn out to vote, they may signify big potential trouble for Democrats in lower-turnout mid-term elections. The Democratic Congressional id–at least the part that represents primordial existential fear of non-reelection–is throbbing. Expect a lot more time-consuming negotiating hangups and talk about how we should avoid arbitrary deadlines when it comes to passing Obama’s big reform. … (I still think it will eventually pass, but it may take until next Spring or beyond.) …
“Loser: Health care reform (see above) …
“Loser: Obama, who tried to work his magic for Corzine and discovered it wasn’t there.”
A magnificent performance by the eerily accurate Rasmussen, yet again.

“Ryan, Glenn Beck will not actually run for office, he knows he is unelectable and he makes plenty of money and has a whole lot of influence as it is. He will support someone, but he will most certainly not run.”
You underestimate the guy’s egomania.
Anyone who so shamelessly uses 9/11 for ratings and as shorthand for his cause du jour is fully capable of deluding themselves into a run for office.

Julien, I agree with you that we should oppose the consumer protection act, but let’s keep our eyes on the really important things like Cap and tax and Obamacare. We can much more easily put limits on the director of the CPA when conservatives have majorities, but it will be much harder to eliminate cap and tax and Obamacare, not to mention these are much more dangerous to our pocketbooks and our personal liberty.

Today Rasmussen finds that overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.
This is commensurate with yesterday’s Gallup poll finding that Obama’s approval among all adults has plummeted to a new low of 50%.

Ryan, Even if the guy is an egomaniac, he will only use this type of rumor to feed his PR, but when it comes to making the run, he will not do it because he knows it would harm the chances of a conservative like Palin or Pawlenty. This type of rumor is made up by lefties who are trying to scare other lefties with the idea of a Beck for president run, and to try and stir up controversy on the right. It won’t work.

“So of course after months of claiming Beck is just out for ratings (or whatever your beef is),”
Huh? When have I ever said anything about Beck being a lunatic for ratings?
“now you decide to believe him. Give me a break.”
As stated.
That is the speculation by the guys at Hot Air.
Seeing what an ego maniac he is I think they are right to fear the possibility.

If it takes anger to stop Obama from bankrupting the country and ruining the future for our kids–then that’s fine with me.
I guess the White House expected all of us to be mindless idiots, taking every handout they offer.
Some of us prefer freedom rather than
corrupt politicians telling us how to live.
Anger? D*mn right!

If Obam had no concern with “local issues” in State elections, he should not have wasted Federal Tax dollars to visit NJ three times to campaign with Corzine.

This is getting comical. Virginia was a complete Republican blowout. Means nothing. New Jersey elects a Republican governor. Means nothing. An unheard of independent candidate goes from 0 to 46% within a month, losing the election by 3 points and that is the huge story in all of this? lol
No need for Owens to even unpack his bags. He will be under a huge microscope for a few months and then booted out on his ear in 2010.

Awwww
The young people don’t care much anymore.
Obama has lost Seniors and Independents.
If Obama sends more troops or signs a watered down health care bill he’ll lose his base.
What will he do?
Until then he just continues to vote present.
Party night at the White House–it’s Wednesday isn’t it?

Democrats must lead by leading and accomplishing reform — like health care which is tied to the deficit and the bankrupting of businesses. Those timid Dems who refuse to take issue with the insurance companies will lose their seats in the coming elections. Those who stand firm for the people will be re-elected to fight on!
I feel sorry for the people of Virginia and New Jersey that they have been duped again by the Wizards. The wins of GOP governors will be unfortunate for the people of Virginia and New Jersey. If the people of these states thought they had it bad under Democratic governors, they have seen nothing yet. How long will some people continue to be Fooled by these Wizards of Oz? How long will they continue to circle the Yellow Brick Road? Republican politicians will not deliver the change these people seek but instead will impede it delivering more good and services to big corporations and insurance companies which will only continue the decay of these states. This is very unfortunate indeed because the GOP primary objective is to say no the people and to spead fear — The Party of No and Fear — deceptive Wizards of Oz!

“In the Garden State, Rasmussen’s polling showed support for third party candidate Chris Daggett collapsing to eight percent (8%) while many other firms suggested he might win a higher total (up to 15%). In the end, only six percent (6%) voted for Daggett while Christie won by four percentage points.”
Many other firms?
9 places conducted polls.
4 had Daggett at the same 8 pts
1 had him at 10, one at 11, one at 12, one at 14 (man how low Zogby has fallen)and one at 15.

Obama is easily shaping up to be the most corrupt and ineffective president in history.
2012 can’t come soon enough to rid ourselves of this egotistical man-child.

Obama is easily shaping up to be the most corrupt and ineffective president in history.
2012 can’t come soon enough to rid ourselves of this egotistical man-child.
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Good grief Beth, can you try to get past the name calling and unsupported smear allegations and actually post something worthwile . .

“But I guess she endorsed the Washington establishment more than she endorsed her district.”
She endorsed her district by endorsing someone ACTUALLY from there who cared about that district.
“Last thought–what if the GOP had picked Hoffmann?”
Not that I am a big fan of GOP competence but why would they pick someone outside the district who had no clue about local issues?

“The Democrats won both Congressional bi-elections and took away a seat the Republicans had held for over 100 years.”
CA-10 doesn’t matter to the right wing, they prob have no idea it even happened.

“I feel sorry for the people of Virginia and New Jersey that they have been duped again by the Wizards”
Creigh Deeds was not a strong candidate. He had already lost to McDonnell and Corzine was pretty unpopular in NJ (not Florio type levels but he was not well liked).
I think McDonnell will have a honeymoon but Christie will be under fire from the start.

“I laughed. I like that line about Pawlenty. Now, he’s trying, awkwardly, to walk back his comments on Snowe after following Palin’s lead and trying to get on the Presidential hopeful radar of the base by backing Hoffman and calling out “RINO’s.”"
He even “announced” that to right wing snot Erick Erickson giving him an “exclusive”.

Looks like there’s a lot of angry Democrats.
Many didn’t bother to show up in Virginia and New Jersey.
Where was the love for Obama that we saw in his rallies for Deeds and Corzine?
Have Dems lost that loving feeling in just 10 months?

The writing on the wall for incumbent Democrats is pass health care reform or face re-election without your base.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Explain the logic underlying that conclusion.

===It was a race where a Republican has held a seat since the Civil War,===
Where the heck is that coming from? I just looked at there was a democrat in that seat from 1979 to 1993. Actually, 3 different democrats.

===It was a race where a Republican has held a seat since the Civil War,===
Where the heck is that coming from?
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Almost every major media outlet has published this information. They could be wrong.
Where did you get your information? What’s the source?

“Where did you get your information? What’s the source?”
I assume she is looking at Wiki which runs down all the times the area has been redistricted.

Axey look closer at the what NY-23′s district used to encompass on Wiki.
The region known as North Country is what is being referred to as GOP held for the last century.

===I assume she is looking at Wiki which runs down all the times the area has been redistricted. ===
No.
“If Democrats win NY-23 in a special election to be held later this year, certain parts of this district will be represented by a Democrat for the first time in 159 years.”
You will note that it says “certain parts”. If a republican was using this crapola, they would have already been called on it.

He even “announced” that to right wing snot Erick Erickson giving him an “exclusive”.
Posted by: Ryan C | Nov 4, 2009 2:55:25 PM
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“Right wing snot”??? Tierra, I know you don’t like juvenile name calling. Will you be saying anything about this example?

“The base wants health care reform.”
That’s it in a nutshell.
The base wants health care reform done.
If the Blue Dogs jump ship they will find themselves largely on their own come 2010 because Bob Menendez holds the purse strings for the Senators and Van Hollen for Congresspersons.
The DLC wants health care reform too.

Republican governors can opt-out of the government run health care and refuse stimulus funds.

Tierra, I know you don’t like juvenile name calling.
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My main argument is against people who use juvenile name-calling against the President – and it happens in here repeatedly and its a very lowgrade type of politics. It’s unfortunately common amongst the right wingers on here.
Party members calling other party members names is in a different category, but still pretty lowgrade politics.
I see the dictionary definition of “snot” is “a person regarded as annoying, arrogant”.
By the way, count up the name calling by right wingers on here vs. name calling by other people – the right wingers are embarrassing themselves. It’s no contest.

“Said the expert after the election…”
His approval rating has been low for months and the exit polling showed a 1/3 of the electorate voted AGAINST a candidate versus for them with the majority of those voters voting against Corzine.
“Despite the initial misgivings over his degree of experience, Christie proceeded to earn praise for his history of convictions for public corruption”
Except for the incidents where he abused the power of his office like the fake Bob Menendez investigation or getting out of accidents.
See that drives people in New Jersey nuts. They will put up with corruption and big time swindling but stupid little incidents like the accidents drive them crazy.
You can pin point the turning point of public approval of Corzine to the accident he had in which he broke his leg and people muttering why his driver was speeding etc etc.

“Deeds and Corzine weren’t very good candidates.”
Well, they were Democrats…
“we need better candidates, and they ought to support a progressive agenda that solves problem.”
If it only were about that – but it’s not. It’s about getting states like NJ under their thumbs. Corzine was a hack and ex-Goldman Sachs at that. He walked away with $400 million in 1999. He had a relationship with someone in the CWA that represented state workers. There’s a reason Chris Christie was busy prosecuting corruption in politics in NJ. Read the tea leaves – you’ll figure it out.

“By the way, count up the name calling by right wingers on here vs. name calling by other people – the right wingers are embarrassing themselves. It’s no contest.”
Well I do try my best.
Guess I’ll have to double my efforts ;-)

Republican governors can opt-out of government run health care and also refuse to accept stimulus funds.
Posted by: Jenny | Nov 4, 2009 3:45:49 PM
And Democrats can opt in for the healthcare by signing up themselves and their families for the public option!
My only disappointment is that Goldman Sachs can’t get in on more of those “shovel-ready” projects. All you have to do is hire a few people for a week or so, count it as a created job and pocket the rest! Ain’t America great! No wonder everyone wants to come here! Who’s up for Stimulus 2.0!

The base wants health care reform done.
If the Blue Dogs jump ship they will find themselves largely on their own come 2010 because Bob Menendez holds the purse strings for the Senators and Van Hollen for Congresspersons.
The DLC wants health care reform too.
Posted by: Ryan C
Health CARE reform is not on the table.
Health insurance reform is not reform, it’s statist garbage.
The notion that Democrats are going to be left to twist in the wind because they didn’t go along with the leadership on this god awful piece o legislation is so ludicrous it must have come from a Republican.

According to Rasmussen, Americans are opposed to the Democrat healthcare legislation by a healthy majority. And those strongly opposed to it outnumber those who strongly support it by an extremely healthy plurality.
But politicians don’t just read polls. They read election returns, and they know exactly what happened yesterday.

It was fascinating to watch a large, multiracial, multi-party focus group conducted by Frank Luntz last night. The overarching concern they expressed was that of unemployment, and they were bewildered by the six months Obama and the congress have wasted on healthcare legislation they don’t much care about and don’t really want.
Who can blame them?

i like my health insurance…have you stood in line at the post office lately?? slowest people on earth! that i don’t like.

“But politicians don’t just read polls. They read election returns, and they know exactly what happened yesterday.”
Yeah, the Democrats picked up two seats in the House.
1 of them against an army of wing nuts.

those awful right wingers who believe in working hard and taking care of their own obligations and being responsible for their own actions and decisions…gosh, they’re so selfish and mean!

“Yet, because she brings an unpleasant but accurate message about last night’s returns, she must be besmirched by the goofballs.”
She’s a Fox News Democrat much like Alan Colmes.
She tells the right wingers like you what FoxNews wants her to say.
And if she doesn’t toe the line, she’ll get fired like Marc Lamont Hill.
The dishonesty really is pathological with you.

Alyson,
It makes you wonder how often these people interact with our medical system and insurance companies.

“They kind of idealize (and idolize) the private sector they were never a part of.”
I like that.

It appears that the remaining supporters of Obamacare have had no interactions with the fiscal insanity of the US congress and it’s largest programs.
Medicare: broke.
Medicaid: broke
Amtrak: broke
Social Security: broke
Yet when Nancy Pelosi sets visions of healthcare sugarplums dancing in their head, they believe every word she says. Remarkable.

“It appears that the remaining supporters of Obamacare have had no interactions with the fiscal insanity of the US congress and it’s largest programs.”
That would be the majority of Americans.
Big thanks to Numeros for his poll compilation work and snark.
“State run media” polls:
Favor/Oppose Public Option
48%/42% NBC/WSJ Oct. 22-25
61%/38% CNN/Opinion Research* Oct. 16-18
57%/40% ABC News/WaPo Oct. 15-18
62%/31% CBS News Oct. 5-8
Non-“State run media” polls:
Favor/Oppose Public Option
50%/46% USA Today/Gallup Oct. 16-19
53%/42% Ipsos/McClatchy* Oct. 1-5
57%/39% Kaiser Family Foundation Oct. 8-15
61%/34% Quinnipiac Sept. 29-Oct. 5
55%/38% Pew Sept. 30-Oct. 4
46%/37% Rasmussen** Oct. 2-3
*Tied for most accurate pollster in the 2008 national Presidential election results.
**Choice pollster of conservatives.
Posted by: Numeros | Oct 31, 2009 11:54:43 PM

Here are the actual Rasmussen numbers, in his own words;
“Forty-two percent (42%) now favor the health care plan proposed by the president and congressional Democrats, but 54% oppose it.”
The numbers for strongly favor and strongly oppose are quite a bit worse for the Dems–but you already knew that, didn’t you?

“According to Rasmussen’s latest, likely voters oppose the Democrats’ latest version of healthcare legislation by 53-44%.”
Hmmm who’s a likely voter 1 year out from an off year election?
BTW your favorite pollster reports that the number of people identifying themselves as Democrats is going up and people identifying themselves as Republicans are going down.
Other polling agencies have also seen that trend.
Good for Rasmussen to finally adjust his numbers to reflect that.

“They’ve either never had a medical issue or they were on one company plan all their lives till they got on Medicare…”
I thought this has been confirmed in studies has it not? -That most people who are happy with their insurance coverage have never had to file a claim or had to deal with their insurance company besides making payments.

“Inin the blue state of Pennsylvania, which Barack Obama won by more than 10 percentage points, a Republican won a statewide race for a vacancy on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.”
Speaking as a resident of the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania I can tell you myself that there is absolutely nothing ominous about electing one Republican judge. Pennsylvania is blue by the slimmest of margins. We’re infested with Republicans at the local level and have often elected Republican governors. In my county there isn’t a single Democratic judge. Some of the boroughs around here haven’t had a Democratic majority in 150 years.

“The free cheese is at the center of the trap”. Entitlements need to be abolished. Ryan C, your union rep is calling…

“He said that in an excerpt that I posted on this very site.”
The only excerpt you posted here was the daily approval tracking poll and a quick blurb about generic ballots.
The other was his patting himself on the back about NJ in which he lied about other pollsters.
“When I post facts by cutting them and pasting them I do not consider the source to be material if the facts are accurate.”
I figured out your problem then (at least one of them).
You think analysis containing facts ARE facts in themselves.
So when you post national Review analysis of voting trends, fail to identify the source than insist it be treated as fact, well I am sure I am not alone is wondering how dishonest you are.

I posted Mr. Rasmussen’s remarks about Dems and Reps within the past 72 hours.
I spent a few decades doing hardball litigation. I know fact from argument, and I assume most literat people do as well
You have conceded the accuracy of the Pennsylvania results. Make of them whatever you will.

“Worth noting that pollster Scott Rasmussen stated on Bill O’Reilly’s show this Monday, November 2, 2009, that based on the polls he had seen, Hoffman would win “fairly comfortably.”
Posted by: Danny | Nov 4, 2009 7:08:18 PM
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The most accurate pollster strikes again.

“So why do you post arguments that are not your own without sourcing and call them facts?”
I do not call arguments facts. I expect that the intelligent reader can readily distinguish between the two. If you cannot, I will spend zero time assisting you in that regard.
Every argument I post you may take as my very own–if I am using the words of another, you may be assured that I endorse them in toto unless I indicate otherwise.
My principal reasons for not identifying the sources are (1) the reason set forth in the preceding paragrahph, and (2) the fact that it always sets you into a sputtering, impotent rage which is always worth a few laughs.

“…you used a descriptive word ‘ominous’. That is opinion, which may be legitimately disputed.”
Of course I did, and of course it is–it takes a moron not to recognize it as such. Anyone who wishes to dispute it is welcome to do so. Thus far I have seen not a word offered in dispute; what I posted has elicited only personal attacks on me and, subsequently, Scott Rasmussen.

“Really it was fascinating for Republican pollster Frank Luntz to tell you what to think.”
Are you quite able to read? What impressed me was what the voters had to say. Unlike sheep, they spoke–and spoke quite forcefully–for themselves.
Honestly, are you capable of mounting any kind of argument that consists of anything other than personally disparaging the people who do not agree with you? I am doubtful…

“Anyone who wishes to dispute it is welcome to do so. Thus far I have seen not a word offered in dispute…”
I disputed it thus:
“Speaking as a resident of the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania I can tell you myself that there is absolutely nothing ominous about electing one Republican judge. Pennsylvania is blue by the slimmest of margins. We’re infested with Republicans at the local level and have often elected Republican governors. In my county there isn’t a single Democratic judge. Some of the boroughs around here haven’t had a Democratic majority in 150 years.”
Posted by: Skip | Nov 4, 2009 6:57:36 PM

“If you believe that this reflects on the accuracy of Mr. Rasmussen’s own polls, I believe you should probably explain why.”
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No, it reflects that Rasmussen was wrong. He’s been wrong before with his polls, he was wrong now.

No, it reflects that Rasmussen was wrong. He’s been wrong before with his polls, he was wrong now.
Posted by: tierra |
All polls are therefore dismissible.
Here’s some more you can dismiss. The poll was conducted by Fabrizio, McLaughlin and Associates so you can go dig up poll dirt on them. It was conducted October 27-29 of 1,000 voters who said they were likely to vote in 2010.
Based on what know, do you favor or oppose a “public option” health insurance plan? (Asked only of those who were aware of the debate over a public option.)
Total Favor 39%
Total Oppose 53%
Would you favor or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans if you knew the total cost for this health care reform plan would be $900 billion dollars?
Total Favor 25%
Total Oppose 67%
Would you favor or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans if you knew it would cut Medicare benefits for Senior Citizens by $500 billion dollars?
Total Favor 15%
Total Oppose 78%
Would you favor or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans if you knew you could be forced off your current health insurance and onto the government-run plan?
Total Favor 17%
Total Oppose 75%
Would you favor or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans if you knew that there was no guarantee that you could keep your current doctor?
Total Favor 20%
Total Oppose 75%
Would you favor or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans if you knew that it could limit the treatments and medications you could have access to?
Total Favor 16%
Total Oppose 80%
Would you favor or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans if you knew that it would raise taxes nearly $400 billion dollars?
Total Favor 21%
Total Oppose 73%
The poll was conducted by Fabrizio, McLaughlin and Associates. It was conducted October 27-29 of 1,000 voters who said they were likely to vote in 2010.

Without spending a lot of time going round and round about it, Pennsylvania is Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and West Virginia in the middle. If voter turnout in the cities is high the Democrats usually win. If turnout in the cities is low the Republicans win. A Republican winning a Supreme Court position in PA could be nothing more than not enough people downtown getting off their duffs during an off-year election to go vote. Turnout for Obama was very high.

If you followed the suspense of Tuesday’s elections, odds are you landed on Fox News.
Fox News Channel absolutely crushed the other networks in prime-time election coverage ratings.
Despite — or perhaps thanks to — being on the Obama White House enemies list recently.
Between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m. (8 p.m. to 11 p.m. Eastern time), Fox News grabbed 4.04 million viewers, according to Nielsen Media Research.
The other outlets weren’t even close.
Fair, balanced and unafraid–as always.

Only partly true, Tierra–the voters in New Jersy, Virginia and Pennsylvania had no such opportunity.
But they will a year from now. If you choose not to be concerned about what they had to say, that’s OK by me. I strongly believe that there are many, many elected Democrats who feel quite differently.

Be serious, Tierra. That woeful NY selection of the woeful Dede lady was made by eleven local county chairman. The fact that eleven dopes in upstate NY make a dumb choice says nothing whatsoever about Republican chances against Democrats nationally, and you know that very well.
The Politico sees the significance of yesterday’s results quite clearly, and so does just about everyone else:
“RICHMOND, Va. — Eager to drain the 2009 elections of drama and import, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs claimed Tuesday night that President Barack Obama was “not watching returns.”
“You can be sure that he is studying them closely now: The off-year elections were, in two big races, an unmistakable rebuke of Democrats, reshuffling Obama’s political circumstances in ways likely to have severe near-term consequences for his policy agenda and larger governing strategy.
“Independents took flight from Democrats. They suffered humiliating gubernatorial losses in traditionally Democratic New Jersey, where Obama lent his prestige in a pair of eleventh-hour campaign rallies Sunday, and in Virginia, which had been trending leftward and just last year was held up as an example of how Obama was redrawing the political map in his favor.
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Tuesday night’s trends were emphatically not in Obama’s favor. Among those paying closest attention are dozens of Democrats who won formerly Republican congressional districts in 2006 and 2008 and are up for reelection in 2010.”

The other thing is this. If the Republicans are so pathetic they can’t organise themselves enough to keep a seat they already held in Congress (New York 23), then they are too disorganized to be anywhere near the reins of power.
They were kicked out for good reason. Keep them out.
Posted by: tierra |
Excellent point.
Would you say the same of the Democrats? And the obvious followup to a yes would be, how come you never do?

Tuesday night’s trends were emphatically not in Obama’s favor. Among those paying closest attention are dozens of Democrats who won formerly Republican congressional districts in 2006 and 2008 and are up for reelection in 2010.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena |
And today Harry let it slip that the senate may not take up health care before next year. Coincidence?

Tuesday night’s trends were emphatically not in Obama’s favor.
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Nonsense. When offered the opportunity to vote Democrats OUT of Congress – voters chose instead to ELECT Democrats to Congress . . . yesterday.
In BOTH bi-elections.
Some tidal wave . . .

“Nonsense. When offered the opportunity to vote Democrats OUT of Congress – voters chose instead to ELECT Democrats to Congress . . . yesterday.”
You are deliberately declining to face the issue, perhaps because it frightens you. About 100,000 people voted in NY-23. About seven million voted in NJ and VA. In both those states Independents went to the GOP two-to-one. If you honestly believe that they would have voted differently if congressional seats were at stake, I believe you are entirely alone. Every Democrat knows the implications for 2010, and a number of them have spoken openly about it today.
Deal in spin if you want to, but you ought to come up with something less silly than that.

You are quite right, Alyson–the poor oaf let it slip while the voting was still going on.

Excellent analysis:
Actually, I think Todd is closer to it.  Obama wanted to be President, not to lead, but just to win.  Now that he has won, he has no core set of governing principles other than what impacts Barack Obama.  He has offered no leadership on any part of his agenda all year long, content to have Nancy Pelosi run it for him.  His foreign policy thus far consists entirely of making himself personally popular with the world.  On Afghanistan, Obama has thus far allowed Robert Gates and David Petraeus to make his decisions, only balking at the moment because the McChrystal strategy puts him at odds with his base, which could erode his popularity.

RCP average Obama approval: 50.6%. Average among voters: 49.0%.
Goodness, but I’m having fun tonight! (The goofballs, not so much…)

Let us hear from some Democrats who are capable of being honest abou their situation:
“Particularly in Virginia — which in recent years has emerged as an emblematic swing state — most Democratic politicians Tuesday night and Wednesday were frank in seeing worrisome trends and eager to see Democrats, starting with Obama, do more to emphasize fiscal responsibility.
In contrast to the Obama’s team sanguine analysis, Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) told POLITICO, “We got walloped.”
“Many Democratic politicians and operatives publicly and privately say Obama’s “big bang” strategy — trying to move several major policy initiatives in his first year — has also caused independent voters to question whether he is sufficiently focused on their primary concern, reviving the stagnant economy.”

Posted by: Alyson | Nov 5, 2009 12:14:43 PM
How you incentivize the employees so that they choose the public option and not coverage that you provide? That coverage you provide is worth quite a bit right? 10k? More? Now you want them to pay that 10k out of pocket to the public option. How you gonna make it up to em?
You, on the other hand, can drop coverage as long as the penalty is less than 10k and come out ahead. Of course, you are free to share the savings with them.
Seems like you will be incentivized and they won’t….until you drop coverage.
Am I wrong?
btw, tying health insurance to employers is insane and REAL reform would address it. Sadly, Washington doesn’t really do real reform.

“Are you quite able to read?”
Yes you took what Frank Luntz told you to think and like a good little parrot you repeated it.

“Yes you took what Frank Luntz told you to think and like a good little parrot you repeated it.”
Like the time POTUS made the back room deal with Big Pharma and told the left to never criticize Big Pharma again?

Michael Steele on the lessons of losing NY-23
ABC:”"[C]andidates who live in moderate to slightly liberal districts have got to walk a little bit carefully here, because you do not want to put yourself in a position where you’re crossing that line on conservative principles, fiscal principles, because we’ll come after you,” Steele told ABC’s Top Line in response to a question about Republicans who support the White House’s stimulus and health care plans.”
Democrats should be thrilled.

Democrats should be thrilled.
Posted by: Ryan C |
You have predicted and advocated that the Dems do the same thing to the “moderates” that refuse to go along with Obamacare.

“No one plays the “with us or against us” card more often or more consistently around here. You make GWB look almost bi-partisan by comparison.”
ROFLMAO!
Again with the calls for bipartisanship from someone who has never acted bipartisan nor has any plans to.
And its not us and them
Its the right wing liars (who shrillness far exceeds their numbers) and everybody else.

Again with the calls for bipartisanship from someone who has never acted bipartisan nor has any plans to.
And its not us and them
Its the right wing liars (who shrillness far exceeds their numbers) and everybody else.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Where’d you find that call for bipartisanship you allege? Written on the wall? Voices?
And Michael Steele is lame.
And it’s not us and them…it’s them and us. Got it.
We already know you are in bed with Big Pharma but is a liberal health insurance executive an us or a them in your world?

“Where’d you find that call for bipartisanship you allege? Written on the wall? Voices?”
I realize you’re not that bright Fred Thompson but
“No one plays the “with us or against us” card more often or more consistently around here. You make GWB look almost bi-partisan by comparison.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Nov 5, 2009 1:40:26 PM