Winners/Losers in NY-23

It seems to me neither Sarah Palin or Tim Pawlenty are really losers in this. The President campaigned much more actively for the Virginia & NJ Govenor races & the losses were much worse. Not to mention the fact that Hoffman came out of nowhere & came very close. If you think SP & TP are losers what does that make the President?

I think Newt was a loser. He backed an obvious RINO and said she wasn’t a RINO. He was PROVED WRONG when she endorsed the Democrat like the Democrat she is.

Jenn,
You can’t say with any certainty that Scozzafava’s name on the ballot is what saved Owens. Owens won with 49%, Hoffman garnered 45%, and Scozzafava 6%. If Scozzafava was really as liberal as you claimed, it would stand to reason her votes would have gone to Owens, not Hoffman, and he would have at least gotten to 50% + 1.
But “Hoffman purged a RINO. And Palin had a huge hand in it.” So great, that’s good. Let Palin purge all the RINOs, and you can govern 11% of the country on local levels, but you’ll never win another national campaign.

“It seems to me neither Sarah Palin or Tim Pawlenty are really losers in this”
you overthrow the local pick for the national appointee,and the national appointee , despite spending more than the dem, in a district that is 65% republican, lost the vote.
If that aint a loser, nothing is

“Gallup recently showed that over 40% of Americans consider themselves Conservative. Liberals are about 20%.”
Yeah, but that 20% are the better educated people, the movers and the shakers, and the more successful.
A big chunk of the 40% who call them selves conservative are “average” to “below average” in intelligence, hence they are less apt to help the country grow.
Liberals: “Yes we can!” Conservatives: “if everyone is poor, I won’t feel like such a loser.”

“Yeah, but that 20% are the better educated people, the movers and the shakers, and the more successful.”
LOL!!

LOL, the NeoCons are squealing in delight at the Gov races. Governors don’t have much to do with deciding national policy. However, the pick up of Owens as Congressman has lots of influence on policies. After about a year of Rove & Christie governorship we will see what happens in N.J.

Amy in Maine: First off in Repect for your support on Issue 1 in Maine let me say the following…Ha Ha Ha.. Loser!

I remember during the election, Rick Warren asked the candidates “do you believe in the existance of evil?”
This morning I would answer, “yes, evil does exist, and its here, right in America.”
But then, evil has always existed, in every culture and society in the world. Justice, creativity, innovation, CHANGE, are things that are advanced by only a handful of people in any country. It’s an uphill battle, but it’s the only way humanity advances: when the brightest people show the way.

Conservative Republicans have shown they are a serious cult to eliminate and they aren’t followers of Christ at all. Jesus The Christ was a collaborator who brought individuals of difference together, not elminate them or oust them. What he did do was bring individuals together. This just shows how conservative republicans have a cult cleansing mentality and the republican party is so much like the Hitler regime to cleanse and not bring people together in wholeness. Big plus to Italian government for making a different in church versus state. Many of us Christians don’t like the Crucifix either with Jesus hanging on the cross. That Crucifix is just one symbol of one faith not all in the Christian faith therefore, good job Italy.

Let’s see… George Stephanopoulos, former Clinton operative, is now the “objective” political analyst at ABC News. And George is picking the Winners and Losers from the elections – Which seem to be the Right… Hmmm. Objective? Not seeing it. How did the two Republican wins not relect on the Obama but the NY-23 did? Wow. Very transparent George.

Jenn…you and blind people like you keep adamantly believing what you do. And celebrate these meaningless wins while you can. You will not be able to in”10 or’12. Moderates left the party for one reason in ’08. It is called extreme conservative thinking. And based on the New York results we can see that that “virulent strain” is getting worse. What we have here is a great example of short term vs. long term thinking. Educated, progressive people always win that type of battle.

I think Democrats need to start pandering to what independents want and when the Majority of Independents Side with Conservatives/Republicans they need to pay attention to the following! I think America is telling us something! Tell your Congressman not to support the 1.2 trillion Health Kill bill, Tell them not to support Cap and Tax, Tell them get the spending under control, Tell them we want smaller Government, tell them we do not want a Government that Dictates pay, Owns Banks, owns the Auto Industry or who is in Charge of Health Care! Does Health Care need some reform? Absolutely! But NOT in the form of 2000 pages of a 1.2 trillion pork filled partisan bill! Now is the time to tell your Congressmen if you Support this we WILL NOT support you in 2010 or 2012 we will keep throwing people out until they follow the will of the people!

Sadly, the media seems to be paying scant attention to Owen’s win which is an important story. Also, I’d like to see the statistics on voter turn out by party in all of the elections.

nobama12, you could be more wrong. The PAC groups own BOTH parties. We Independents have no intention of pandering to EITHER party! Nor is our vote for sale. We want good, clean honest government. To heck with all the nay sayers. We want something positive for a change!

nobama12, you could NOT be more wrong! BOTH Republicans and Democrats are political prostitutes! The care about only one thing: PAC money. What in the world make you believe they even care about what you or I think?

“He should have pointed out that a three point win… does not bode well for the Dems.”
It does in a district that hasn’t voted for a Dem representative in 40 years!!!
If Hoffman had won, they would be crowing about how it was a great victory for right-wing extremism. Instead the “party of personal responsibility” has a hard time taking the blame for their failures.
It’s time you guys faced the truth – Sarah and Co. snatched defeat from a district that y’all should have won easily.

“Palin is not the loser…she is actually a winner..”
Well, yes, a winner with everyone unless, of course, you happen to count, oh I don’t know…. THE VOTERS!!!!

New Jersey and Virginia have long records of electing governors from both parties BASED ON LOCAL ISSUES.
The notion that this reflects a discontent with the federal level is ludicrous, considering they are electing “local officials” to run “local business.”
That inherently makes voting to send a msg. to DC by choosing a certain candidate absurd, because that could easily result in choosing an incompetent local leader for four years resulting in endless wasted time and money – for what – to send a msg. to DC?
Pundits who spout this nonsense need to get their head out of their hole.
Furthermore, the Republicans who were elected were TYPICAL OF THE NORTHEASTERN Republican, moderate in most ways that matter to people, and thus completely disconnected from the Republicans in DC.
THE REAL MSG. from this election is in the NY Race, where a libertarian/conservative was nominated in defiance of the party local leadership.
It showed exactly what I’ve been saying since the 2008 Republican washout.
If Republicans as a party decide to move further right, all they need to do is look to California for their fate.
They also moved further to the right, when they were kicked wholesale out of Ca. Govt. offices.
The result has been a shrinking minority, whose sole power comes from their ability to stymie the super-majority necessary to pass the budget.
Beyond that they are inignificant politically, because being the “opposition or alternative” is NOT enough to fuel a comeback against even the incompetent Dems of California.
You need real solutions to real problems and a real desire to help the average person vs. a vs. corporations and banks.
The Republicans there and Federally keep offering the same failed idea, blame government for everything, even after a decade of watching as the saintly corporations and banks destroyed our economy.
Bottom line is, no matter who the democrats RUN FOR NATIONAL OFFICES, if Hoffman indicates the future Republican candidate, Republicans are going to stay the small minority they are, and be seen more and more for what they are the Southerner’s Party.
Dems. won’t ever be seen as perfect, honest, caring Etc., but as long as your competition the Republicans are seen as out-of-touch, slightly insane libertarian right wingers, they don’t have to be to win against them.

We the people need a viable 3rd party. The Dems and Repubs are run by their far ends ignoring their sane center groups. It is however unfortunate that neither of the 2 realize the way it is here in the real world. I would like to see them all voted out come 2010 and I really do not care if they are replaced by more idiots. At least the new idiots will not have as much power amassed.