Within House of House Health Care Legislation Passing, President Thanks Supporters, Asks for Money

How tacky…jobless rate 10.%, (thank you Obama.)…
and he is asking for money..with this health care is going to be more taxes…..what about credibility.
what nerve

Obama assumes that all of his supporters are thrilled with a watered down public option and Pelosi folding on gov’t funded abortion.
Many are furious.
But they’ll send money anyway because Obama is the one they were waiting for.
And this is his moment.

It’s not about the people and their health care. This is aboout legacy and making history.
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It is about both, as one would expect.

I’ve noticed that most people that have supported obama and then have reneged on their support never really believed in his policies in the first place. They got caught up in the “yes we can” which was required to lock in the simplistic-idealogue voter base both Democrats and Republicans have had to woo in the major elections. Palin is doing this same thing and may very well try it in the ’12 election. If you support Obama based on the fervor, you’re not looking close enough, I’ll give you that. If you don’t support him based on his policies, good job, but you’re not looking close enough. If you do any research into the CBO’s report and find that the health plan SAVES money over the current entitlement situation, congratulations, you’ve just won the game.
There’s also the matter of the 10% jobless rate being something that is the fault of the current President. This is just ridiculous and should not even be a topic of discussion.

In other news…
MANILA — President Obama plans to meet with the prime minister of Myanmar along with other Southeast Asian leaders next Sunday, in a high-level affirmation of the new policy by Washington of engaging the military-ruled country despite its dismal human rights record.
The meeting between Mr. Obama and leaders of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations will take place on the sidelines of the annual summit meeting of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Singapore, the U.S. ambassador for Asean affairs, Scot Marciel, said Saturday.
(the Obama Doctrine of appeasing enemies and alientating friends gains antother chapter…)

S L E A Z Y

No need to worry, Repubes. Harry “The Spineless” Reid will do your coroporate bidding in the senate. (Yes, they get a small “s” from me.)

So my “dont blame me I voted for McCain” and my “Obummer” bumperstickers are getting 100 percent thumbs up from fellow drivers…..
I trust that more than gallup. People are fed up with O.

“I trust that more than gallup. People are fed up with O.”
Spoke with my dad last night, life-long democrat, supported Obama (also fairly recently thought Carter and Biden are “good men”, so we’re not talking about a fence-sitter). Told me this is NOT what he expected when he cast his vote (and not because he is disappointed more of the far-left agenda has not been executed).
He’s beginnng to see the light as are millions of others. Can’t wait until 2010.

tierra:
time will tell
enjoy your 15 minutes.

I wonder if groups like the OFA will have to buy health insurance for its workers or face a fine.
Their income is already tax free to them, isn’t it?
How much do they have left of the $650,000,000 raised during the campaign?

Good grief, these people are always asking for money.

the insurance companies, essentially, WROTE this bill. Obamacare says that all US citizens (so not illegal aliens like his auntie) must give their money to PRIVATE, for-profit insurance corporations. Yes, Obamacare says you must give money to a private company- who also will be bailed-out whenever necessary. Amazing.

“So my ‘dont blame me I voted for McCain’ and my ‘Obummer’ bumperstickers are getting 100 percent thumbs up from fellow drivers…..”
I think it’s a different “finger” your fellow drivers are giving you.

Not sure what this particular blog is about, Jake. It’s a standard request for donations and you don’t put any spin on it yourself–so I guess you’re just tired and letting us fill-in the blanks.
Of course, they’re asking for money–the job is only half done. We have to consider what to sacrifice to appease moderate Democrats and whether to push for the nuclear option.
Republicans didn’t back down on $1,400,000,000,000 tax cuts over ten years mostly favoring the very wealthy in 2001, why should Democrats back down on health care (for about $1Trillion over the same time period)?

Rassmusen:
the ONES approval is net NEGATIVE 10…
no, I can tell a finger from a thumb. lol….now sip this pretty colored drink and take a nice nap..

“So my ‘dont blame me I voted for McCain’ and my ‘Obummer’ bumperstickers are getting 100 percent thumbs up from fellow drivers…..”
I think it’s a different “finger” your fellow drivers are giving you.
Posted by: Rudy | Nov 8, 2009 6:43:44 PM
Yes. That would be typical of someone who voted for Obama. Hope & Change from the party of love your fellow man – unless they don’t share your opinion, then it’s the different finger for you buddy.

“finish this fight???” Gee, and I thought we were one country..one people with a divergence of opinions to be respected without retribution or hindrance and not fighting a war within those we disagree with????
Posted by: Parallex View | Nov 8, 2009 8:02:51 PM
Apparently you missed his “us vs them” health care speech in Minnesota a couple of months ago. It’s so comforting to know that the man who is supposed to be your President things you are the enemy and will not represent your rights – and then calls you out in a speech.
Since the left is so fond of comparing O with Bush – if Bush had given that speech, talking heads on the “Evening News” would have all exploded in unison.

“Apparently you missed his “us vs them” health care speech…”
If anybody prefers to frame the debates in terms of ‘us vs them’ it’s the right-wing. Claiming that Americans who don’t agree with them aren’t really Americans is a right-wing classic. I can’t imagine anything more divisive than attempting to deny somebody identity with their own country. May I suggest that if you don’t like the tone you might take the lead in changing it?

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 8, 2009 8:46:27 PM
Where is this awful speech the President gave? Post the part that so offended you.

“And they’re so upset the most recent Congressional elections failed to elect even ONE Republican – but instead Democrats.”
It is interesting there are so many liberals who dismiss the implications of the outcomes in NJ and VA this week (including The One). Anyone with any degree of political knowledge knows that Tuesday’s results in VA and NJ were not just business as usual. I hope that liberals continue to deny implications as it will all be even more sweet come next November.

Where is this awful speech the President gave? Post the part that so offended you.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 8, 2009 8:56:19 PM
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Come on . .. You’re making big points about the awful things you allege the President said.
Post those awful things – or you’re whole argument is looking pretty trumped up and pathetic.

It is interesting there are so many liberals who dismiss the implications of the outcomes in NJ and VA this week
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Mostly because when it came to supporting the Democrats and the President’s policies federally – the voters chose to elect Democrats INTO Congress. They had the opportunity to vote them OUT, but instead supported what the Democrats are doing federally.
State politics are a different thing.

Come on . .. You’re making big points about the awful things you allege the President said.
Post those awful things – or you’re whole argument is looking pretty trumped up and pathetic.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 8, 2009 9:03:49 PM
“do some research”

This all you guys ever come up with. You never defend Obama
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fight (one’s way) through (something)
1. to struggle to get through something; to struggle to penetrate something.
I’ll have to fight my way through all this crepe paper in order to reach the punch bowl.
The room was filled with trash, and I had to fight through it to get to the other door.
2. to struggle to work through all of something.
I have to fight my way through this stack of papers by noon. I am tired of fighting through red tape.
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Why would the President need a defender? Passing a health care reform bill has been a struggle. A “fight.”
One would have to be extremely dense, downright obtuse, not to have noticed. Neither you or Parallax View strike me as dense or obtuse. My conclusion is that you feel left out. There’s a way to feel less so. Give up the role of crepe paper and become part of the solution.

Come on . .. You’re making big points about the awful things you allege the President said.
Post those awful things – or you’re whole argument is looking pretty trumped up and pathetic.
So you make allegations and can’t back them up . .. . again, sad . .

skip…I believe “fight” was a term used by Obama. The term alone could be described as divisive to the country..

skip…I believe “fight” was a term used by Obama. The term alone could be described as divisive to the country..
Posted by: Parallex View | Nov 8, 2009 9:27:16 PM
Now, now. Skip doesn’t want hear that.

my dear…But…what if I do not agree with the democrat solution and; therefore, don’t wish to join Obama’s quest for his legacy. Does that make me a bad person or just one with a different opinion?…BTW, fight could also allude to a an attempt to gain power or to harm through blows, verbal or physical, and or weapons…

“If you believe, as our friend Ted Kennedy always said, that health care is not a privilege, but a fundamental right for every American, then I need you to make your voice heard in Washington.”
Where in our original documents does it says health care is a fundamental right? Trust me. HC will go the same route as Social Security. This is where they are headed.
Social Security was implemented as “Insurance” and then every American was made to contribute whether they wanted to or not. It was fought in the courts and lost. Where in our original documents does it say this is constitutionally legal?

So if I “come over” do I get to keep my Blackberry or do I have to go back to rotary dial telephones?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 8, 2009 9:28:22 PM
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Oh, dear. Just because McCain thinks he invented the Blackberry, typically speaking, the right wing is the backward-looking and change-fearing wing of American politics. Hence, the nicknames “neanderthals,” “flat-earthers,” and “cavemen.” . Unfortunately, your paranoia marks you as being where you belong. Carry on with the whining about the semantics used by President Obama while pretending you’re carrying on a courageous (nonwhiny) life or death crusade for freedom.
I was mistaken on the obtuse assumption.

What a weak showing from you right wingers . .. making accusations against the President and too lame to provide any back up for your claims . . .
Posted by: tierra | Nov 8, 2009 9:39:34 PM
Oh boo hoo.

“The number of lobbyists in this administration is almost zero compared to the last – a VAST improvement, not perfection but a great improvement.”
a.) this may or may not be true
b.) during his campaign did Obama not say there would be NO lobbyists in his administration? (easy question, yes or no)
“And on and on . .. your questions have been answered so many times – it’s as if you’re deaf.”
What if I am deaf? Does this mean I cannot read?

What a weak showing from you right wingers . .. making accusations against the President and too lame to provide any back up for your claims . . .
Posted by: tierra | Nov 8, 2009 9:39:34 PM
Oh boo hoo.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 8, 2009 9:42:12 PM
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So you not only lack the integrity to be able to back up allegations . . . you’re also respond by behaving in a juvenile fashion.
Is it any wonder the right wing is sinking in its own filth?

Obama came running to NJ 5 times to stump for John Corzine….and lost anyway and now says the election meant nothing…
It’s like a sitcom. really, not a sitcom, more like a nightmare…

So you not only lack the integrity to be able to back up allegations . . . you’re also respond by behaving in a juvenile fashion.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 8, 2009 9:46:09 PM
1) Look it up yourself.
2) Yes. Deal.

“HC will go the same route as Social Security.”
If you guys don’t like SS and Medicare so much why don’t your candidates have the courage to run on a platform of eliminating them? Republicans on Medicare is a very interesting phenomenon.
Posted by: Skip | Nov 8, 2009 9:56:31 PM
Uh, maybe because there is no mandate to do so with the GOP? “They” did not post this comment – I did. I represent myself.
Again, discuss the topic instead of deflecting to a “you guys” throw down. In your opinion, does SSI circumvent the Constitution or not? Does Health Care?

So you not only lack the integrity to be able to back up allegations . . . you’re also respond by behaving in a juvenile fashion.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 8, 2009 9:46:09 PM
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Making allegations against somebody and not having the class to back up those allegations . . . shameful and morally weak.

Where in our original documents does it say this is constitutionally legal?
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 8, 2009 9:39:53 PM
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I’m always curious about this: Where in our original documents does it limit the legislative branch in such a way as to suggest that it is not legal for the Congress to create acts such as the Social Security Administration act, or the Medicare Act, or a health care reform act. I’m always rather gobsmacked by the conservative necassumption that unless explicit text directly authorizes a legislative enactment, then Congress lacks the power to pass the law. It strikes me a an absurdly unsupportable view of the Constitution– which isn’t a very long document. On purpose.
More specifically, Article I of the Constitution contains the “necessary and proper” clause, which endows Congress with unenumerated powers that are needed to carry out its expressly delegated powers. In McCulloch v. Maryland, the first case interpreting this provision, the Supreme Court rejected the narrow interpretation offered by anti-federalists.
NOTHING in the history of the Necessary and Proper Clause or the Supreme Court’s interpretation of it suggests an exclusively narrow interpretation.

“In other words, I know these steps won’t sit well with the special interests and lobbyists who are invested in the old way of doing business, and I know they’re gearing up for a fight as we speak.
“My message to them is this: So am I.”
Just plucked this quote out of Jake’s archives from Feb. Fighting words from the President in weekly radio address – from the same one who told his supporters to “get in their faces.” So keep arguing semantics. I’ll keep quoting the man himself.

Posted by: Alyson | Nov 9, 2009 1:41:52 AM
We were discussing the use and nuances of the word “fight” and how he uses it. Just adding some context from the man himself. The discussion started with my mentioning his divisive speech in Minnesota about HC and I didn’t think as President he should be employing us vs them rhetoric. He should make more of an effort to represent all Americans – not just the ones who agree with him. Others said he refers to the “fight” more ore less as the “struggle.” I believe it is more than that.

My dear…No, I do not believe Obama uses the term fight in a threatening physical way; however, he is using the term in “us vs. them” and who knows what may result..Seems to me we, as a country, are already divisive enough without adding fuel to the fire..He is the President of the United States and needs to conduct himself in a professional manner..He is now labeling tea party rally participants as “anti-government.” This does give me pause for concern…………….

Folks, keep in mind that people protesting the health care reform here can very well be profiting from the system as it stands. There are a lot of health insurance execs, people who own stock in these companies, etc. that want thing to stay the same for their own profits, despite the fact things as they are now are so bad for Americans. (those who can’t afford insurance and those who struggle to meet the every higher premiums and those who face bankruptcy after a serious illness when the medical bills pour in that their insurance just doesn’t cover.)

Insurance companies are NOT the reason for high premiums. Their profit margin runs lower than Taco bell.
listen carefully:
DEFENSIVE MEDICINE, PRACTICED TO AVOID OVER ZEALOUS LAWSUITS ARE THE REASON. FRIVOLOUS LAW SUITS ARE THE REASON, MALPRACTICE INSURANCE IN THE REASON.
Will O address ANY of these issues? NO
Why? Because lowering costs is NOT THE GOAL. POWER GRAB IS THE GOAL.
Second graders could see this, second graders…come on people, wake up.

Seems to me we, as a country, are already divisive enough without adding fuel to the fire.
Posted by: Parallex View | Nov 9, 2009 1:56:37 PM
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The right wing post some of the most mean spirited, most demonizing, most divisive comments against the President (and Democrats) ever seen on these blogs – they do it consistently and repeatedly.
So now we know, they’re not only damaging the unity of the country, they’re complete hypocrites.
JUST WATCH the juvenile insults, name calling and demonizing done to the President (and the Democrats) on these blogs – and you’ll know.

Insurance companies are NOT the reason for high premiums. Their profit margin runs lower than Taco bell.
listen carefully:
DEFENSIVE MEDICINE, PRACTICED TO AVOID OVER ZEALOUS LAWSUITS ARE THE REASON. FRIVOLOUS LAW SUITS ARE THE REASON, MALPRACTICE INSURANCE IN THE REASON.
Will O address ANY of these issues? NO
Why? Because lowering costs is NOT THE GOAL. POWER GRAB IS THE GOAL.
Second graders could see this, second graders…come on people, wake up.