By Gorman Gorman

Nov 23, 2009 8:25am

Workplace Diversity: Lines in Sand Make Mess for Dems

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Gee, 60 votes sure was fun — what do you say we do it all over again?

First you get to go home and think about it.

Time isn’t an ally for Democrats on health care — if only because it gives everyone more time to draw lines in the sand.

The experience to date has demonstrated that momentum built in Washington can get lost in lawmakers’ districts — and that deadlines shift with the political winds.

(And the winds blow in a new direction on Afghanistan — with a key House lawmaker warning of the need for a “war surtax” if President Obama wants to send more troops into battle.)

The good news is there’s broad agreement inside the Senate Democratic caucus that the health care bill needs major revisions.

The bad news is that each senator has rather distinct notions of what those revisions need to look like.

Some line-drawing:

Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday: “It doesn’t do enough to control costs, that’s for sure,” he told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. “If the public option is wrong, if the CLASS act is still in it, if — if there are a whole host of other items that are the same as they are right now, I wouldn’t vote to get it off the floor.”

“I don’t want to fix the problems in our health care system in a way that creates more of an economic crisis,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.

“There’s lots of diversity as Democrats,” Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., told the Los Angeles Times’ Mark Z. Barabak. “You can’t just draw a line in the sand and say, ‘As Democrats, this is what we have to be for.’ ”

This sort of looks like sand. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.: “I strongly suspect that there are number of senators, including myself, who would not support final passage without a strong public option.”

“Many hurdles lie between here and the finish line, a ‘significant, formidable, and never-ending list,’ one top Senate Democratic aide says,” per ABC’s Jake Tapper, on “Good Morning America” Monday.

“Three-dimensional legislative chess — with a time clock,” said ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. “Keeping this all together is tremendously difficult.”

McClatchy’s David Lightman: “The flashpoints will be familiar — abortion, federal deficits, government involvement in health care decisions and other hot topics — and many Democrats already have said they want to see, and are well-positioned to seek, changes in the bill.”

The Wall Street Journal’s Greg Hitt and Janet Adamy: “A handful of Democrat centrists say they can’t support the government-sponsored health-insurance plan — known as the public option — that is included in the bill. And Democrats are divided over abortion, an issue that nearly derailed the House earlier this month when it narrowly passed a health bill that blocked abortion coverage from federally subsidized insurance plans, including some run by private insurers. Another growing concern even as the bill progresses is the political heat on Democrats over expanded government spending amid rising unemployment and deficit concerns.” Negotiating the public option: “There are many variations on the theme,” said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill. “At the end of the day, we want insurance to be more affordable.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s task: “As he struggles, the reasons are clear: deep divides among Democrats on a public insurance plan, abortion, tax hikes and cost-cutting. Liberals want the plan to be generous enough. Moderates fear a budget-buster. And everyone is trying to avoid angering seniors,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown and Patrick O’Connor write.

Any other goodies left? “Given the concessions that Reid offered to Landrieu, Lincoln and Nelson to secure their votes on Saturday, including a $300 million Medicaid provision for Landrieu’s home state of Louisiana, liberal senators are fully aware that the public option is vulnerable,” Shailagh Murray writes in The Washington Post.

Giving Reid more options: “The two moderate Republican senators from Maine, Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe, say Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, reached out to them after he unveiled the Senate measure, encouraging them to bring forward their ideas and concerns,” The New York Times’ Carl Hulse reports. “Both senators have talked privately with Democrats and independents about devising joint amendments on areas like cost control, and both said they would keep seeking compromises.”

Defense: “The real battle will be an ongoing rearguard action, to fend off changes from the right — amendments that, in many cases, Republicans will support even though they have no intention of voting for the final bill. Abortion. Immigration. The mandates, for individuals and employers. You name it,” The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn reports. “For progressives, victories are more likely to come in the form of ground not conceded than ground gained. Every day that legislation doesn’t get worse is a day to cherish.”

Making things more complicated — another line in a another big piece of sand: “There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,” House Appropriations Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., warned in an interview with ABC’s Jonathan Karl. “If they ask for an increased troop commitment in Afghanistan, I am going to ask them to pay for it.”

Meet the “war surtax”: “On the merits, I think it is a mistake to deepen our involvement,” Obey said.  “But if we are going to do that, then at least we ought to pay for it. Because if we don’t, if we don’t pay for it, the cost of the Afghan war will wipe out every initiative we have to rebuild our own economy.”

And a warning: “That’s what happened with the Vietnam War, which wiped out the Great Society,” Obey said. “That’s what happened with the Korean War, which wiped out Harry Truman’s Square Deal. That’s what happened with the end of the progressive movement before the ’20s when we went into World War I.  In each case, the cost of those wars shut off our ability to pay for anything else.”

Can the president afford to do anything like the McChrystal report? Or is the real questions whether he can he afford not to?

No announcement scheduled yet: “They’re looking at next week — but that is not definite,” Stephanopoulos reported on “GMA” Monday.

As we wait: “The lengthy policy debate inside the administration has spun out of control as it nears its finish, with damaging leaks and counterleaks,” Dan Balz writes for The Washington Post. “Public opinion won’t decide the outcome of this debate. The real question is in what ways have Obama’s views of Afghanistan — and this country’s prospects for success there — changed during the first year of his presidency.”

Trade-offs, in politics and policy, per Elisabeth Bumiller of The New York Times: “If Mr. Obama limited any additional American troops to 10,000 to 15,000, the military would deploy them largely as trainers, with some reinforcements likely in the southern province of Kandahar, the Taliban’s spiritual home. The neighboring, and opium-rich, Helmand Province and the eastern border with Pakistan, military analysts say, would receive few if any American troops and would remain largely as they are today. Such trade-offs are part of the discussions under way in the West Wing and at the Pentagon as Mr. Obama and his top advisers debate escalating the eight-year-old war.”

Looming over the debate: “Treasury officials now face a trifecta of headaches: a mountain of new debt, a balloon of short-term borrowings that come due in the months ahead, and interest rates that are sure to climb back to normal as soon as the Federal Reserve decides that the emergency has passed,” The New York Times’ Edmund L. Andrews reports. “Even as Treasury officials are racing to lock in today’s low rates by exchanging short-term borrowings for long-term bonds, the government faces a payment shock similar to those that sent legions of overstretched homeowners into default on their mortgages.”

Jobs bill — but do not call it a “stimulus”: “The White House is lukewarm about proposals by congressional Democrats to introduce broad legislation to create jobs, instead favoring targeted measures that would be less likely to inflate the deficit,” Elizabeth Williamson writes in The Wall Street Journal. “Hamstrung by the nation’s $1.4 trillion deficit and his pledge not to raise taxes on middle-class Americans, Mr. Obama is keen to avoid any measures suggestive of a second, big-ticket stimulus.”

Getting the message — but maybe over-learning it? “Most economists I talk to believe that the big risk to recovery comes from the inadequacy of government efforts: the stimulus was too small, and it will fade out next year, while high unemployment is undermining both consumer and business confidence,” Paul Krugman writes in his New York Times column. “Now, it’s politically difficult for the Obama administration to enact a full-scale second stimulus. Still, he should be trying to push through as much aid to the economy as possible. And remember, Mr. Obama has the bully pulpit; it’s his job to persuade America to do what needs to be done.”

Behind the heat directed at the Treasury secretary: “The leading edge of this anger could be seen in Congress last week when Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner faced calls to resign. One lawmaker said he should never have been hired,” Bloomberg’ Al Hunt writes in his column. “Geithner also has become an issue in the Connecticut Senate race. … The Treasury secretary is a proxy for the real animus, directed at Wall Street.”

More animus: “The Fed finds itself both the punchbowl keeper and the punching bag. Imagine the outcry when it does begin to crank up rates — perhaps just ahead of next year’s midterm elections,” the AP’s Tom Raum reports. “Fireworks seem likely at Senate confirmation hearings early next month on President Barack Obama’s nomination of Bernanke to a second four-year term as chairman.”

Watching the lines converge… Gallup has the president at 48 percent approval in its rolling three-day tracking with 44 percent disapproval.

Some spin with your turkey? “Dems will spend next week trying to claim the offensive on the economy after rising unemployment rates in recent months have driven Pres. Obama’s approval ratings to new lows,” Reid Wilson writes for Hotline On Call.

Monday’s White House schedule — back in action: “Back from his week-long trip in Asia the President starts his week refocusing on the domestic agenda and will hold an event focusing on “initiatives designed to boost science, technology, and mathematics education,” in the South Court Auditorium in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building,” per ABC’s Sunlen Miller.

“Later Mr. Obama will then hold a full cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House, and afterwards will meet separately with Secretary of State Clinton Hillary Clinton. In the evening the President will present the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Awards in an East Room ceremony.”

Washingtonpost.com’s Chris Cillizza: “Cabinet meetings have become more photo-op than serious policy discussion in recent years but the gathering of the Obama braintrust — the first since Sept. 10 — is sure to set off discussion of the series of challenges facing the administration in the coming months.”

Getting ready for Tuesday — the Obamas’ first State Dinner: “The White House has been preparing for this dinner for months, culling names for the invite list (finalized a month ago, a White House source told me) and deciding on the menu, flowers, china and an unending list of logistical details,” Lynn Sweet writes in her Politics Daily column. “Overseeing all this is Mrs. Obama’s East Wing, with Social Secretary Desiree Rogers putting on her most anticipated show yet.”

Who’s in, who’s out: “I’m told by a West Winger that all top-level Obama staffers have been invited, as well as the congressional leadership, a selection of other members of the House and Senate and Cabinet, prominent Indian-Americans from across the country, including Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, and Indian-American members of the business community. There will even be a few journalists, including CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta. A contingent of Obama pals from Chicago is also expected. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel’s brother, Ari, the Hollywood super agent, got an invite; another brother, Ezekiel, a White House health policy adviser, did not.”

“In a departure from the traditional venue — the elegant State Dining Room — the Obamas will gather with a few hundred VIPs in a huge, heated tent on the South Lawn,” Katherine Skiba reports in the Los Angeles Times. “The guest list for the black-tie gala remains a closely guarded secret. Vice President Joe Biden and his wife, Jill, will certainly be there. Several notables are good bets, such as Oprah Winfrey and Chicago hotel billionaire Penny Pritzker, as are top Obama aides David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett and Rahm Emanuel.”

Next up on the road with Sarah Palin: Fort Bragg. “The Army wants Palin’s appearance at Fort Bragg on Monday to be much quieter,” Martha Quillin reports for The (Raleigh) News & Observer. “The base has asked Palin not to make a speech at a public book-signing at the base exchange; she also will not write personal notes, pose for photographs or sign anything besides her new memoir, ‘Going Rogue: An American Life.’ ”

While she’s in town: “Sarah Palin, the hottest name in the Republican Party, took a detour from her book-signing tour Sunday to dine with Billy Graham at his mountaintop home in Montreat,” Tim Funk reports in the Charlotte Observer.

Says Franklin Graham: “Daddy feels God was using her to wake America up.”

Going where the buyers are, or where the voters are? “Of the 31 counties [Palin is visiting on her book tour], just 11 were carried by President Obama,” Chris Cillizza writes.

Popular where it counts: “Sarah Palin could expect a lot of support in Iowa’s Republican caucuses if she launched a campaign for the 2012 presidential nomination, according to The Des Moines Register’s Iowa Poll. More than two-thirds of Republicans like what they see, making her a credible candidate for the 2012 caucuses should she decide to run for president,” Thomas Beaumont writes for the Register.

“Iowa Republicans view Palin about as favorably as they do former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, who won the 2008 caucuses, and former U.S. House speaker Newt Gingrich. More view Palin favorably than former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, runner-up in the 2008 caucuses. … Nearly a quarter of Iowa Republicans view Palin unfavorably, twice as many as [Mike] Huckabee.”

Ross Douthat, on the choices of two GOP superstars: “So far, they’ve chosen celebrity instead. Huckabee spent the last year hamming it up on a weekly talk show, and the last month hawking a book of inspirational Christmas stories. As for Palin — well, you probably know what she’s been up to lately,” he writes.

“Nobody should begrudge them their choices. Think tanks are a snooze; Senate races are a grind. Signing autographs for your adoring fans is more fun than rounding up budget votes in Juneau. But they were the wrong moves if either wanted to become president someday.”

New questions for Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., out of Doug Hampton’s interview with ABC’s Cynthia McFadden, to air on “Nightline” Monday.

Said Hampton: “Tom Coburn said, ‘What I would do, Doug, if I were you, is I would have them buy your home, give you a million bucks so you can start over, and that is what I am willing to help you negotiate,’ ” Hampton told McFadde n.

Ensign turned the offer down, according to Hampton: “John said: ‘No can do, not going to happen.’ ”

That account contradicts Coburn’s public statements. And Coburn is standing by his account: “There was no negotiation,” he told George Stephanopoulos on “This Week,” though he acknowledged that he had worked to “bring two families to a closure of a very painful episode.”

In Massachusetts, where the primary is almost certainly the general: “Attorney General Martha Coakley has a solid lead in the four-way Democratic race for the open US Senate seat, but with just 16 days until the primary election, nearly three-quarters of likely voters have yet to decide who they will support, according to a Globe poll,” Frank Phillips and Matt Viser write in The Boston Globe. “Coakley gets the support of 43 percent of respondents when asked who they would vote for if the primary were held today. US Representative Michael Capuano has support from 22 percent of the likely voters; Boston Celtics co-owner Steve Pagliuca from 15 percent, and City Year cofounder Alan Khazei from 6 percent.”

Maybe a preview of fights to come? “In a handful of next year’s most competitive Senate races — and for a few of the Democratic Party’s most precariously perched incumbents — discordant Democratic primaries are already taking shape, complicating a midterm election landscape in which the party will be playing defense for the first time in four years,” Politico’s Alex Isenstadt reports.

The Kicker:

“I will correct something. It’s not $100 million, it’s $300 million, and I’m proud of it and will keep fighting for it.” — Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., tripling the size of this year’s “Louisiana Purchase.”

“We had on CNN and as they announced the vote, the plane actually jiggled. I thought it was Teddy reaching down.” — Vice President Joe Biden, telling Iowa Democrats what he was doing when the Senate vote on health care was called Saturday.

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User Comments

That’s not a line. It’s the edge of a cliff. The republicrats are done. They might as well change parties now. That one from Louisiana wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. She played right into republican hands with the 300 million dollar buyout for the republican governor. At this point the smart money would have been to pass the health care bill with a strong public option since the public favors it 2 to 1. I say let it fail. We’ll know who to blame and send them packing. We get good democrats to commit and come back with single payer in 2011.

Posted by: rightbehind | November 23, 2009, 9:03 am 9:03 am

rightbehind; Single payer; how does it work? Like Social Security and Medicare payrole deductions?

Posted by: LongT | November 23, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am

“a key House lawmaker warning of the need for a “war surtax” ”
If you want to know which party is REALLY the party of fiscal responsibility, that pretty much sums it up.
Republicans went on a trillion dollar adventure in Iraq and put it all on the national credit card. Republicans (controlling Congress and the Whitehouse) pushed through a trillion dollar pharmaceutical giveaway to seniors and put every cent on the national debt (Medicare part D in 2003).
Contrast that with Democrats, who may want to spend at almost the same rate as Republicans, but Democrats have the political courage to stand up and say hey America – you have to pay for what you spend. Is it any wonder Democrats are less popular? They don’t buy off the electorate using our childrens’ credit card.

Posted by: jhw539 | November 23, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am

jhw539; They both play the same game don’t they? I mean they both voted to go into Iraq.

Posted by: LongT | November 23, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am

jhw539
We get it dude, the republicans spent a lot too. But now you are wanting to support a man who is going to spend 4X’s as much as Bush did? That’s smart.
Atleast when Bush spent $$ on the wars, he had a MAJORITY of approval from dems, repubs and the American people (go back and see how many were in favor of striking Iraq/Afaganistan). Do you realize that clinton, kerry, edwards, gore all were in FAVOR of these 2 wars?
When the party in power’s actions reflect the majority of Americans’ wishes, that is called democracy.
On the other hand, when Obama and the rest of the socialists running loose are trying to ram something down our throats that nearly EVERY republican and the MAJORITY of the American people are against, that is called SOCIALISM.

Posted by: Dave in KC | November 23, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am

Bottom line is that Bush never rammed anything down our throats. Iraq, afganistan, patriot act, afganistan were OVERWHELMING supported by dems, repubs, and the American people.
Obama and the socialist bunch, however, are hellbent on ramming everything they can down our throats. They are doing this even when the majority of Americans are against them. Where is the democracy in that?

Posted by: Dave in KC | November 23, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am

We get it dude, the republicans spent a lot too.
Dave in KC | Nov 23, 2009 9:43:41 AM
No, you don’t get it. It’s not about spending, it is about PAYING FOR IT. Democrats actually pay for their spending and take the ‘tax and spend’ label that carries. Republicans spend BUT THEY DON’T PAY FOR IT. Check out who is responsible for the deficit historically. It isn’t the TAX and spend party. It is the the SPEND AND ADD TO THE DEFICIT Republicans. Checkout who dumped paygo rules. Which party passed a trillion dollar healthcare liability in 2003 without a cent of funding versus today’s deficit neutral requirement. Which party cut taxes on the rich while spending hundreds of millions on the Iraq adventure versus the party that is pointing out military costs need to actually be paid.
Tax and spend can be fiscally responsible. The Republican’s chronic deficit spending habit is well documented and incredibly fiscally irresponsible. How may times will Republicans increase government spending while cutting taxes before people realize they’re robbing our children?
Tax and spend is the only fiscally responsible way to run a government.

Posted by: jhw539 | November 23, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am

I guess we’ll never learn. Politicians today are all about themselves. They only pretend to be concerned about their constituency, and only then, to the point or degree of getting reelected. That’s it in a nutshell.

Posted by: LongT | November 23, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Where is the democracy in that?
Dave in KC | Nov 23, 2009 9:48:48 AM
We had an election less than a year go, one in which Obama ran VERY publicly on doing exactly what he is doing. Don’t insult our Founding Fathers by making the absurd allegation that this isn’t democracy just because you find yourself in the minority. (And after almost 8 years of being in power and running our economy into the ground with the very tax breaks Republicans are STILL pushing, Republicans earned their minority status.)

Posted by: jhw539 | November 23, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am

The Dems are going to start eating their
own. The rumblings of regular people is
starting to resonate. Never has Obama’s
mantra Hope and Change sounded so good.
Time for him and his self serving bunch
to go. We need to clean house, top to
bottom, Dems and Rep. The arrogance is
frightening. They have their line and
they are sticking to it, no matter what.
This is not representative government
anymore. They need to get out of their
little bubble in Washington and see
what real life is. They are highly educated but clueless.

Posted by: wis134 | November 23, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Anyone in the media who believes the Reid bill is set in stone and will have to get 60 again without a single change is naive and, frankly, irresponsible.

Posted by: matt | November 23, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am

They stand there like they are Roman Gods of some kind. They are not affected by this bill at all. reid and Polosi are trying to cram this down us. Obama has no clue whats going on because he is not leading. He is just playing hollwood. Obamas little vice presidents run this country. Obama is a puppet and his strings have gotten thick. These congress people and senators can afford to pay cash for what ever they need and their families need. They are the rich and sucking more cash out of the poor.

Posted by: Jim Rod | November 23, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

“Contrast that with Democrats, who may want to spend at almost the same rate as Republicans, but Democrats have the political courage to stand up and say hey America – you have to pay for what you spend. Is it any wonder Democrats are less popular?”
LOL!!!!

Posted by: Mary | November 23, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Local governments can go bankrupt if they don’t balance their budget. I would like to see state and federal governments operate with that same sense of urgency. There needs to be more pay as you go, more user-fees, more tough budget prioritizing.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | November 23, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

The deficits were caused by the 2 wars, medicare advantage and tax cuts for the top 1%. NONE OF THESE WERE PAID FOR!!! They caused the Depression, because the we could Not sustain this….then election time came around, Obama still has 2 Wars, Medicare Advantage and the tax cuts…All that is STILL NOT PAID for!!! A rising unemployment rate, mortagage crisis and a Broke Bank…..What the Freak to you want him to do? Stop spending Now! That would be foolish. The Damage was done and I believe designed by the Bush administration, knowing that McCain was NOT going to be elected, therefore to Hillary, whom they believed was going to win, so it would LOOK Bad on her watch….Why you think that an EX VICE-president was left in place to criticize….Unprecedented in this country…

Posted by: sara | November 23, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Let’s see what took place last week. A pannel appointed by past President Bush and funded by Republican Administrations decided to change the guidelines on mammograms during the time the Health Care Reform bill was in the Senate so the Republicans could try to convince Americans that the pannel was associated with the government.
What was failed to be mentioned was that the pannel was associated with the Republican Party.
From this could we deduct that the Pannels decision to come out with changing the guidelines on mammograms Now while the Health Reform Bill was in the Senate was in fact a political move.
That would be a big “You Betcha!”

Posted by: Meredith | November 23, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Nelson, Landrieu and Lincoln….Leave the progressives, and stay stuck for another decade…….this is why our country is Lagging behind all other nations…..throw these “maggots” out!

Posted by: sara | November 23, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Here is the biggest reason we cannot afford these poorly conceived bills going around Washington now. This data is from the business section of the New York Times (November 22 edition). The government cannot take on more spending at this time when you look at the bigger picture which is just around the corner they have already mortgaged away the lives of generations to come .
“With the national debt now topping $12 trillion, the White House estimates that the government’s tab for servicing the debt will exceed $700 billion a year in 2019, up from $202 billion this year, even if annual budget deficits shrink drastically. Other forecasters say the figure could be much higher. “
“In concrete terms, an additional $500 billion a year in interest expense would total more than the combined federal budgets this year for education, energy, homeland security and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
“The potential for rapidly escalating interest payouts is just one of the wrenching challenges facing the United States after decades of living beyond its means.”
“Americans now have to climb out of two deep holes: as debt-loaded consumers, whose personal wealth sank along with housing and stock prices; and as taxpayers, whose government debt has almost doubled in the last two years alone, just as costs tied to benefits for retiring baby boomers are set to explode.”
““The government is on teaser rates,” said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group that advocates lower deficits. “We’re taking out a huge mortgage right now, but we won’t feel the pain until later.””
“The problem, many analysts say, is that record government deficits have arrived just as the long-feared explosion begins in spending on benefits under Medicare and Social Security. The nation’s oldest baby boomers are approaching 65, setting off what experts have warned for years will be a fiscal nightmare for the government.”
“Even a small increase in interest rates has a big impact. An increase of one percentage point in the Treasury’s average cost of borrowing would cost American taxpayers an extra $80 billion this year — about equal to the combined budgets of the Department of Energy and the Department of Education.”

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | November 23, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Some of these moonbat comments are quite laughable. The “fiscally” concerned democrats? Give me a break. They don’t want the war as they just don’t care about America’s future. They will find any excuse to kill it. As far as health care funding goes, they know it won’t cost just 1 trillion, they know it will cost a lot more. Do they care? No way. Because that is part of their mindset.
Of course the repubicans overspent. But the dems promise far greater spending.
The plan on sacrificing our childrens future for their personal ideology. You should be ashamed democrats!!

Posted by: jonny | November 23, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Congressman Dennis Moore (DEMOCRAT)has anounced he will not seek re-election. He knows he will not win because he failed to hold townhall meetings a critsized those who spoke out against health care. Now he has seen the light and already knows he is a loser. The campain against these rhinos and those who refuse to represent us has started and will grow. We will campain against the rest of these Dems who do not listen. Congressmen Cleaver of Missouri you are next.

Posted by: Jim Rod | November 23, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Lets hope that Boxer and Feistein can get medical marijuana covered in the the health care bill. It will be a big boon for CA agriculture.

Posted by: scott jeffries | November 23, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

obamas approval rating is at an all time low. less than 50% approve and sarah palin has higher ratings head to head.that obviously shows what the voters think of left wing politics and ideas. no one wanted this kind of change. duped and highjacked.

Posted by: catman | November 23, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am

The three stooges – what else can you say to discribe these old fools as they work hard trying to ruin what ever is left of our country.

Posted by: A Citizen | November 23, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

If the Democrat’s health care bill becomes law-the only people who will be cheerying will be the idiots and morons who have no idea what liberty and freedom is all about.

Posted by: John Demeter | November 23, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

If the Democrat’s health care bill becomes law-the only people who will be cherrying will be the idiots and morons who have know idea what liberty and freedom is all about.

Posted by: John Demeter | November 23, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

this health care debate has gone on for 40 years…they-republicans said the same thing when medicaid and medicare were enacted 40 years ago..It was accused of being a “socialist” program then as health care is now..the republicans fought it tooth and nail then as now..LOL..using the same arguments…a 1 trick pony…republicans had their chance to revamp health care in this country-as they had control for 36 years, and only enacted legislation that lined the pockets of insurers and pharmacuticals..they don’t give a dam# about the american people and they have proved it time and again.The debate now goes to the floor of the senate..which is how democracy is supposed to work…this election was about health care..american people voted for this centerpiece…so now go to work…fix the bill and get it passed-and quit being obstructionist

Posted by: cowgirl | November 23, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

“I will correct something. It’s not $100 million, it’s $300 million, and I’m proud of it and will keep fighting for it.” — Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., tripling the size of this year’s “Louisiana Purchase.”
jhw,That is Change you can Believe In,Democrats plan to buy votes just like they did with ACORN.

Posted by: Johnny L | November 23, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Were you just as upset when Republicans bought votes to get their bills passed when they were in the majority, or is your outrage a one way street?

Posted by: gary | November 23, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

cowgirl – You said “…they-republicans said the same thing when medicaid and medicare were enacted 40 years ago..It was accused of being a “socialist” program then as health care is now.”
Maybe the Republicans were correct when they fought Medicare as it has an unfunded liability of $89 TRILLION dollars. The liability is what the government has promised to pay in the future to Medicare recipients and it is unfunded as they don’t have the money to pay for the medical care promised. Maybe, just maybe the Republicans are looking at how Medicare has gone since its inception and see this health care legislation as nothing but something that came from the south end of a north bound cow.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | November 23, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

perhaps you may want to PERSONALLY ask the millions of elderly what they think of medicare,,,instead of the republican party…THEY more accurately reflect the opinions of america…there must be quite a few republicans who are on it

Posted by: cowgirl | November 23, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

furthermore…sandcrab…if republicans would quit going to war everytime they get into office…we wouldn’t have all those unfunded trillions of war debt…we could use that money to help our own people..

Posted by: cowgirl | November 23, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

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