Dec 21, 2009 8:07am

Cloture Sale: Obama, Partisanship Stand Ready for Victories

ABC News' Rick Klein reports: Ladies and gentlemen, we have cloture. Closure can wait. For President Obama and Democrats in Congress, this is a win with some potential losses — of party unity, and of standing with the public, all over a policy they may not wind up wanting to sell. For Republicans, this is a loss with some potential wins — of party unity, and (so they hope) of standing with the public, all over a policy that they may want to continue to see sold. (And the scoreboard may change a bit over the next 11 months.) All of which combines to mean health care will drag out in all its ugliness through Christmas and beyond. It makes the moment perilous for both parties — since it’s easy to overplay what you think is a winning hand. Democrats needed every last one of those 60 Senate votes for the first cloture vote shortly after 1 am ET Monday — and had to cater to 60 egos (we’re still counting the giveaways) to keep the bill on track. It’s a fitting bookend on a frustrating year for the White House: Your final tally of Senate Republicans supporting the president’s biggest legislative priority: zero. Diagnosis: politics. “A year that began with hopes of new post-partisanship has indeed produced change: Things have gotten worse,” Carl Hulse and David M. Herszenhorn report in The New York Times. “Enmity and acrimony are coursing through a debate with tremendous consequences for both sides as well as for the legislative agenda in the months ahead.” “It was to be an era of cooperation,” Roll Call’s Keith Koffler writes. “Coming on the heels of a bitterly contested election, the idea seemed a stretch to some. It was.” “Even as the bills Democrats pursue have become more moderate, the roll calls have become more partisan,” Ezra Klein writes at his WashingtonPost.com blog. “Tonight's vote was a moment of enormous progress for social justice, but evidence of enormous regression in our political system.” Why drag it out now that it’s clear Democrats have the votes? “Because they haven’t got the American public,” Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told George Stephanopoulos on “Good Morning America” Monday. “They have 60 percent of the United States Senate; 60 percent of the American people are against this.” Of the maneuvering that makes the bill deficit neutral, according to the Congressional Budget Office: “It’s one of the great Bernie Madoff gimmicks that I’ve ever seen,” McCain said. “That’s nutty stuff.” Democrats control the place, of course, and the result is undeniable progress on sweeping domestic legislation. A few more votes and a few big fights with the House still loom, but health care reform is now closer than ever to actually happening in the foreseeable future. But some procedures make you sicker before you can get better. As for the latest vote… “This was the big one,” ABC’s Jonathan Karl reported on “GMA” Monday. “Huge differences between the two versions, but the Senate will hold tight.” The political fight ahead: “The reality, I think, will trump poll numbers in the dead of winter as this debate is going on,” David Axelrod told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week.” The Wall Street Journal’s Jonathan Weisman — making his subject that much more popular with the Netroots: “In an interview Friday, [Rahm] Emanuel expressed little concern for the president's standing with the Democratic base. Mr. Emanuel said the liberal wing of the party is already coming back to the fold. … ‘Every time they've gotten close to the deal, they've passed up the opportunity and chosen to walk away from a particular chance where they've lost the forest for the trees,’ Mr. Emanuel said.” The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder: “The bruising year-long battle has left the Democratic party divided, has expended virtually all of the president's political capital, and ithe legislation's fidelity to the goals sketched by candidate Obama are questionable.” Dan Balz, in The Washington Post: “Democrats have a dual problem. They must find the votes to pass a bill to avoid the charge that, even with their big majorities, they are incapable of governing. They also must convince voters that the policy changes they want to enact include far more pluses than minuses.”  Early framing: “A challenging closing round of negotiations, culminating in a series of compromises with moderates, threatened to overshadow the significance of what Democrats believed they were close to achieving: the most significant health-care legislation since Medicare and Medicaid were created in 1965,” Shailagh Murray and Lori Montgomery write in The Washington Post. Selling it: “Democrats and the White House were moving to shift the focus from their dozens of concessions — such as jettisoning a government alternative to private health insurance — toward the momentous changes they said it would bring: providing insurance access to 31 million more Americans, cracking down on insurance practices, and beginning to curb healthcare cost inflation,” the Los Angeles Times’ Janet Hook and Noam M. Levey report. The Boston Globe’s Lisa Wangsness: “The voting schedule may hold political risks for Democrats. They are already bracing for a difficult midterm campaign in 2010, and with polls showing declining public support for the health care bill, Republicans will surely remind them that they pushed it through with votes at all hours and even on Christmas Eve night.” Why everyone’s working Christmas Eve: “Obama and congressional Democrats ran on competence, and they need to get this done. It’s getting embarrassing after eight months of maneuvering,” Politico’s Mike Allen writes. Playing out this string — Sen. Lamar Alexander, on ABC’s “Top Line” Friday: “The reason we are [unified] is we see the Democrats determined to pursue a political kamikaze mission toward a historic mistake… We’re ready to stay until Valentine’s Day if we need to.”  A key calculation — one that’s ruining more holiday travel plans than the weekend snowstorm: “Republicans vowed on Sunday to continue their fight while acknowledging that their chances of stopping Senate passage had faded,” Carl Hulse reports in The New York Times. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on “Fox News Sunday”: “We’ll fight the good fight, we’ll fight until the last vote.”  Counting up the goodies — and this may take longer to unpack than the rest of Senate debate: One provision in the Senate bill extends Medicare to “people exposed to asbestos from a vermiculite mine in Libby, Mont.,” Robert Pear reports in The New York Times. “For a decade, Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, has been trying to get the government to help them. He is in a position to deliver now because he is chairman of the Finance Committee and a principal author of the health care bill.” Per the AP: “A $100 million item for construction of a university hospital was inserted in the Senate health care bill at the request of Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election campaign, his office said Sunday night. The legislation leaves it up to the Health and Human Services Department to decide where the money should be spent, although spokesman Bryan DeAngelis said Dodd hopes to claim it for the University of Connecticut.” ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf: “Democratic staffers say there are 11 states with medical schools that could qualify for the funding (we’re still waiting for the list). The Secretary of HHS would decide who gets a piece of the $100,000,000 pie.” Ben Nelson’s vote: “Nebraska will receive $100 million in assistance for its Medicaid program under provisions in the Senate's healthcare bill negotiated by Sen. Ben Nelson (D),” The Hill’s Michael O’Brien writes. “The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) informed lawmakers on Sunday night that the section of the manager's amendment to the Senate's health bill would cost $1.2 billion over 10 years.” Gov. Dave Heineman, R-Neb.: “Nebraskans did not ask for a special deal, only a fair deal. … Senator Nelson negotiated this special deal, rather than a fair deal for both Nebraska and America. The responsibility for this special deal lies solely on the shoulders of Senator Ben Nelson.” Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.: “This process is corruption.” Ugly way to win: “What is supposed to be a victory for people who previously couldn't afford proper health care in the greatest country on this Earth has become something cheap and coarse, those with power using it like some kind of credit card,” Mike Lupica writes in the New York Daily News.
Channeling the outrage and the disappointment — on the left: “Instead of trying to derail the process, which is exactly what conservative opponents want to do, those on the left dissatisfied with the Senate bill should focus their efforts over the next few weeks on getting as many fixes into it as they can,” E.J. Dionne Jr. writes in his column. “And then they can do something else: Start organizing for the next health-care fight. Enactment of a single bill will not mark the end of the struggle. It will open a series of new opportunities.” Reading from that playbook — sort of: “Unfortunately, the lack of support from the administration made keeping the public option in the bill an uphill struggle,” Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said in a statement Sunday. Not convinced: FireDogLake.com is out with its Top 10 reasons to kill the Senate bill. Except that: “Liberal Democrats complain the health care plan that headed for Senate passage isn't good enough, but congressional leaders predict the final version that comes out of Congress is not likely to change much,” Ken Bazinet writes in the New York Daily News. Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D.: “It is very clear that the bill — the final bill — to pass in the United States Senate is going to have to be very close to the bill that has been negotiated here.” Did Senate Majority Harry Reid, D-Nev., make things harder for himself? “The shape of the legislation — and specifically, the fact that there were never going to be 60 votes in the Senate for a government-run public option — has been clear for months,” writes Time’s Karen Tumulty. “So why did Reid insist upon taking the public option to the Senate floor as part of the initial bill he introduced, making the fight even messier and at times seriously jeopardizing Dems' chances of passing such a landmark bill?”
Call to arms, toward a new Senate: “Nobody should meddle lightly with long-established parliamentary procedure,” Paul Krugman writes. “But our current situation is unprecedented: America is caught between severe problems that must be addressed and a minority party determined to block action on every front. Doing nothing is not an option — not unless you want the nation to sit motionless, with an effectively paralyzed government, waiting for financial, environmental and fiscal crises to strike.” Diane Sawyer makes her debut as “World News” anchor Monday — with an exclusive interview with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In the interview, Ahmadinejad refused to look at a copy of a document purporting to show that Iran has been trying to develop a crucial component of a nuclear weapon. “No, I don't want to see this kind of document. These are some fabricated papers issued by the American government,” he said. On “This Week,” Axelrod called that allegation “nonsense,” and warned that “there will be consequences” for Iran if they continue to buck the international community on their nuclear program. McCain, on “GMA”: “We’ve been through nearly a year delay, while the Iranians have steadily progressed…. Time is running out. We’ve wasted just about a year.” Out of Copenhagen — new hope? “The first offer by China and India to limit greenhouse gases in a global agreement may help U.S. President Barack Obama win over members of the Senate who don’t want to impose similar restrictions on American companies,” Bloomberg’s Jim Efstathiou Jr. and Kim Chipman report. Or, not: “The global effort to combat climate change is stuck in essentially the same place after a massive United Nations summit that it was before the confab: with major emitters deadlocked over how much each of them should have to do to curb the rising output of greenhouse gases,” Jeffrey Ball writes in The Wall Street Journal. “Far from resolving the issue, the Copenhagen conference set up months more of international haggling over what to do about climate change.” Gitmo update: “The number of detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay sank to under 200 this weekend with the transfer of a dozen former prisoners in the last day to Yemen, Afghanistan, and Somaliland,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reports. “One hundred ninety eight detainees remain at Guantanamo. Since President Obama took office, 42 detainees have been transferred to other countries, and one detainee — Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani — was transferred to New York City for trial.” Federal offices in the Washington area are closed Monday, as is the Supreme Court. But it will be warm inside the Capitol, as the health care debate continues. On the presidential schedule: “Mr. Obama … will meet with the SAVE Award winner in the Oval Office,” per ABC’s Sunlen Miller. “Launched in September of this year, Mr. Obama challenged every federal employee to submit their ideas for cost-savings in the federal government, soliciting over 38,000 entries from all over the country. The winner this year, Nancy Fichtner of Colorado came up with the idea that patients leaving VA hospitals should be able to take unused medication home with them instead of throwing it away when discharged. Fichtner’s idea will be included in the president’s 2011 budget.” 
The Kicker: “What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can’t make the vote tonight. That’s what they ought to pray.” — Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., the doctor putting on his deacon hat. “It would be disingenuous to say it never crossed my mind, and I'd be just as happy doing an animal program.” — Former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark., to The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz, on whether he’ll run for president again.
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User Comments

Despite fumbling the expectations game, this is still a major victory for the president. He promised a health care bill and he delivered. That’s an aspect that cannot be understated.

Posted by: Matt | December 21, 2009, 8:14 am 8:14 am

This is simply a game to most of them. No one really cares the cost, no one really cares about all the back room deals, the payoffs, the bribes as long as their is a victory to declare.
And while those really wishing for health care will have to pay a few years for it before they reap the benefit of what they think will be something free, the folks who “bought” these yummies for them will never ever have to worry about their care for they won’t be part of the plan for the “little people”

Posted by: david | December 21, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am

Dem health care means death to more babies Nelson sold his doul to the devil judas.

Posted by: Daniel | December 21, 2009, 8:54 am 8:54 am

Only ~25% of Nevada and ~30% of Nebraska voters wanted Obamacare. And yet their elected protitutes chose to ignore their wishes with the 2010 elections coming up. What Democratically affiliated organization (aka Soros related) will be hiring them?

Posted by: deanbob | December 21, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Or should I ask What Democratically affiliated organization (aka Soros related) has promised them a job if the constituents of their respective states do not reelect them?

Posted by: deanbob | December 21, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am

What may apear to be a victory for Obama will be labeled a defeat next election. The democrats will be held accountable at theelection, lose seats and then the true accounting of this “victory” will be become manifest.

Posted by: jonny | December 21, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Too much pork! But Obama will ignore yet more campaign retoric and sign it anyway.

Posted by: LongT | December 21, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

It is a good day. The 1st piece of the puzzle towards CHANGE in our country is moving towards the right direction. The Senate health care bill, while not having all we hoped for, contains a lot of structural changes to the current system. These we can build upon. Some of the President’s supporters are pushing for the use of Senate reconciliation process that requires just 51 votes to pass a bill.
The reconciliation process is not for passing some types of bills. The current Senate bill contains things that the reconciliation process cannot be used for.
I predict that a public option or medicare buy-in specific bill will go through that process after our President signs the current bill.
We are in a war with long-entrenched corporate interests. Losing a battle does not mean we have lost the war. It means that we should brace for more action. President Obama stated this during last year’s campaign: CHANGE would not be easy as entrenched interests would fight to maintain the status quo. Nothing good ever comes easy.
It is really really sad that it came down to Republican Senator Coburn praying openly in the Senate chamber for the death or incapacitation of a Democratic senator. Is the GOP = Taliban??

Posted by: New Wave | December 21, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

By dems. You all think we are stupid. The dem party the party that once and still is about holding down the poor is going to be defeated. the grass roots are campaining hard. You do not see it because abc and others are hiding from the main stream. believe me’ its coming.

Posted by: Jim Rod | December 21, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Oh happy day! I am so excited we are on our way to a healthcare bill. The Republicans will rue the day they all voted “No” for a bill that will lower the defict by a trillion dollars over the next decade, and which will save lives, jobs, and our American way of life. We are finally moving this country in the right direction. Thank you Democrats!

Posted by: Amy in Maine | December 21, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am

New Wave; “I predict that a public option or medicare buy-in specific bill will go through that process after our President signs the current bill.” Where have you been? These are dead! The insurance industry has been saved! What the heck are you smoking?

Posted by: LongT | December 21, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Amy, we will see won’t we. I wouldn’t blow up baloons just yet.

Posted by: LongT | December 21, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am

So…political bribery ( Extra Medicaid for Nebraska, paid for by the rest of the nation) still is alive and well in DC….and all you morons voted for “change’?

Posted by: angus | December 21, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Another good thing from the recent Senate votes is that by now all Legislators have ‘shown their hands’.
The President and the American people now know who is who when we need to pass important bills.

Posted by: New Wave | December 21, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am

These liberal socialists are sealing their own fate- thank God. They are so blinded by their own belief in agovernment created utopia, that they fail to see that real change is a comin’ 2010! The American people realize that they have been fooled by the MSM last year, and they are not happy about it.
As for obama, his poll #’s are dropping faster then any other president in history. I can’t wait to see him sent back to that swamp of corruption known as chicago in 2012.

Posted by: Palin4prez | December 21, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Amy- will you still be saying way to go dems when you get that letter denying treatment for your mom or dad ? Because they are too old. ITS IN THE BILL! You will be just one of many who was fooled.

Posted by: scotty | December 21, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am

the Republicant’s will only Goose step to Party line. They fought Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Seatbelts in cars etc. The only things they seem to like are Wars, rebuilding of our Client States(Iraq Afghanistan etc.) and Tax cuts for the Upper 3%, and Deregulation. In fact their “deregulation of the Private Sector” mantra gave us countless Bernie Madoffs, and Near Depression Collapse of our Financials– Had it not been for Govt. Intervention We would be walking breadlines(over 140 banks have failed this year– It was Govt. infusion of funds that rescued our financials.
During WW11The top 3% paid 93% in taxes– Bush lowered that to 38% , a reckless act in wartime, which contributed significantly to our Recession.

Posted by: brian | December 21, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Palin4Prez: Did you hear that your star, the Wasila Queen won the Political Lie of 2009 award for the ‘Death Panel’ lie from Politifact.com ?
Congrats !!

Posted by: New Wave | December 21, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am

As a Nebraskan I am EMBARRESSED!!! Ben Nelson is a sell out. Regardless of what pool you look at 25-35% of Nebraskan’s want this bill.
But NO, these Senators continually say they know more than the public and know what is best of us as citizens. Last person who did for me what was best was my parents! Last time I checked the Senators aren’t my parents!
Ben is going to be gone soon…..so Mr. Nelson, get your pockets lined because retirement is coming soon….oh yea you are a Senator, you already have one of the best retirement packages around.
Embarressed and Disgusted in Nebraska!!

Posted by: Sue | December 21, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am

New Wave
Did you hear that your man, the corrupt socialist from chicago, now has the lowest poll #’s of any prez in US history at this point in their presidency?
Also, rationing leads to the government deciding on who gets care and who doesn’t. In other words, it leads to DEATH PANELS.
Why don’t you liberal socialists realize that government run states like Nazi germany, mao’s china, stalin’s russsia, pol pot’s cambodia, mussolini’s italy have all led to the deaths/murder of 200,000,000 people in the last 100 years.
Socialism, which is the path to communism according to karl marx, does not work. It gives the government too much power.

Posted by: Palin4prez | December 21, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Nelson and Landrieu deserve a pat on the back, among others who sold their vote for this reckless bill.
1.2 billion for one and 300 million for another. I’m impressed by their barganing prowess.
Time will tell if it means anything after the bill gets through the conference committe.

Posted by: bobtherepublican | December 21, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Medicare has unfunded liabilities in excess of 29 Trillion dollars and Social Security has unfunded liabilities in excess of 5 Trillion dollars. The debt of the federal government is now in excess of 12 Trillion dollars and this bill is estimated to probably cost in excess of 2 Trillion dollars if it passes. For 2008 the revenue collected by the Treasury was 2.7 Trillion dollars and the expenditure was 3.6 Trillion dollars. For 2008 the increase in revenue was 1% from the previous year while expenditures increased by 25% over the same time frame. I fully expect 2009 to reflect the same picture if not worse as this administration has broken all records in spending. Where do you suppose that this money is all going to come from?
The US Constitution grants 17 and only 17 enumerated powers to Congress. All other powers are regulated to the states. Where in the Constitution is Congress granted the power to provide/fund health care/insurance for the citizens?
Is Nelson’s deal for Nebraska even legal? He is forcing the remaining 49 states to pay for Nebraska’s increase in Medicaid funding for the next decade. This sounds like it could be in violation of Article 1 Sections 9 and 10 of our Constitution; Oh wait the idiots in DC have decided that the Constitution doesn’t apply to them.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | December 21, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Sandcrab1612
And Alaska has alot of bridges built with federal dollars.
At least the funds going to Nebraska are going to people who need it.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | December 21, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Reid and Polosi are a couple of crooks. They are liken to 1920′s gang land gangsters. They are bribing and paying off anyone they can to get a vote. They are spending our maoney as if they have a blank check. Reid and Polosi should be brought up on imbezzeling charges and racketeering. The American Majority knows this is wrong and costly. Wake up people and kick them out of office.

Posted by: Jim Rod | December 21, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Palin4prez
My nephew has a pre-existing condition and lost his insurance when his company downsized. Now he pays $1600 a month for Cobra.
This bill is going to keep my nephew insured, and millions of Americans just like him.
This is not socialism, this isn’t universal health care, the private insurance companies stock is soaring, every one pays, but everyone gets coverage, and my nephew will NOT DIE for lack of insurance. THat’s what it means to me.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | December 21, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Democrats in a position to turn back legislation brokered behind closed doors, rushed to meet some ludicrous deadline and kept unavailable for true review and evaluation have sold their souls for 30 pieces. Nelson, Landrieu, Lieberman…all prostituted themselves for pork. Talked a good game but showed that everyone has a price for their vote. All you happy dems – why are you jubilant about a bill you know little about and won’t take effect until 2013 or 2014? What happened to transparency, public viewing on C-Span, no new taxes, no increased costs?? I want change in health care as muchg as anyone else, but not this way. Our freedoms are being held hostage by an out-of-control, arrogant government.

Posted by: older&wiser | December 21, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

New Wave
Calling obama a socialist is not “name-calling”, it correctly describing his political beliefs. For that short time as a senator, obama’s voting record was further to the left of the outspoken socialist senator from VT. I would say that qualifies him as a socialist. Obama hates capitalism, which is why he has surrounded himself with like-minded fanatics his entire life.
Also, why should I care that the MSM gave Sarah Palin some fictitious award? This is the same group of people who told us all that obama walked on water, isn’t it? How is that hope and change working out for you these days?
Government run healthcare is nothing but DEATH PANELS deciding who is worthy of care and who isn’t. Why would the government ever funnel money to those individuals not capable of helping the economy (handicapped, elderly, mentally impaired)? It wouldn’t, just as it has refused to do around the world where the socialists and communists have taken over.

Posted by: Palin4prez | December 21, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am

In the long run this is the best thing to happen to the Republican Party. This farce of reform will backfire and leave layers of egg on every democrat that voted for it. After supporting Senator Harkin (D) for most of my adult life, I cannot wait to vote against him. At this point I’d vote for Lady Gaga over him. Anyone but him. This is a reckless hollow victory for the dems.

Posted by: New Independent | December 21, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am

david, Daniel, deanbob, jonny, LongT, Jim Rod, angus, Palin4 ? and scotty ……. Elections have Consequences, or didn’t you know that? YOU LOST, get over it!!!
Did you call your Opponents “cheaters” when you Lost as a kid? That’s contagious.
60 of 100 folks “bickered back-and-forth” (some originally (about 10%) sided with the Opposition) then concluded – and Agreed that the Daily DEATHS of 123 Legal American Citizens – (who Couldn’t access Health Care) Had To Be Addressed and Corrected.
Then, Conversely 40 of 40 folks (the Opposition) Lied, Misrepresented and Refused to offer Positive and/or Productive Input and maintained their “Robotic Thinking” And “Lock-Step Objections”, throughout the process. The republican’ts even refused to accept the DOCUMENTED FACT that “123 Citizens Die Daily” from the Inability to Access Health Care!!! Be proud… Be very proud to be associated with these Patriotic and compassionate Americans! (I wonder if any of the 123 Daily… could be their relatives? I sure hope Not!)

Posted by: bobj72 | December 21, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am

Amy in Maine – Won’t argue that changes are required in health care/insurance but I have real problems with this bill.
1. There is no reason that it has to be this long, it could be covered in 100 pages and easy for anyone to understand instead of all of the gobbly-gook it now contains.
2. Although we were promised transparecy and discussions on C-Span, that hasn’t happened. All negotions have been behind closed doors out of sight.
3. Although people say the Rebuplicans have done offerred nothing on this bill I find that hard to believe and even harder to believe that 100% of amendments they offerred were rejected along party lines.
4. With the size of the federal government debt the final bill has to be 100% revenue neutral (no smoke and mirrors like they are using, premiums have to pay 100% of the cost).
5. The final bill should not add one single government employee but should instead work on reducing the size of the federal government.
6. The final bill should impose NO unfunded mandate (increase in Medicade participants) on states, many of the states are currently in financial trouble because of unfunded mandates from the idoits in DC.
7. Address all of the potential constitutional issues prior to its passage, the attitude of Pelosi when asked where the federal government was granted the power to pass this legislation with the response of “you have to be kidding” is completly unacceptable. They need to address these issues prior to passage as any legislation will be tied up in court challanges for years.
8. Mandateing that employers provide insurance coverage for employees. The idiots have failed to realize that two actions will happen; one the wages for employees will be reduced to compansate for the employer cost of insurance and/or two jobs will be reduced to compansate for the employers cost of insurance.
There are many more areas of this bill which stink and the prostitution of our elected officials is totally iresponsible on their part. The idiots in DC have totally failed to display any fiscal responsibility and I can’t wait to see the Treasury report on the amount of revenue collected in 2009 and the amount of expenditures for the same period. The way these idiots are going it will be obvious to all but the brain dead that the fedeeral government is broke and spending on all programs not specificlly authorized in the Constitution including social programs will have to be reduced just to balance the budget and begin to reduce the debt of the government.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | December 21, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am

HEALTH INS STOCKS HAVE BEEN SOARING..that is a dead giveaway, that Obama has sold out to the lobbyists. MANDATING US TO BUY FROM THESE GREED MONGERS OR PAY FINES IS DEPLORABLE. This family wont’ lift one finger or spend one dime to re-elect this delegator-in-chief. All he does is fly around, delegate and give speeches. What a let down. THE FINAL STRAW WAS, (and I don’t know why this hasn’t gotten media’s attention more) was the defeat of cheaper drugs for ALL AMERICANS. OBAMA AND EMMANUEL’S DEAL WITH BIG PHARMA, STOPPED IT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMMEDIATE RELIEF TO ALL FAMILIES. HE IS A LOUSY LEADER.

Posted by: mackie | December 21, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

If I did like the senators did – I would be in jail. I thought it is a crime to offer or take a bribe. Blago ass may soon be behind bars for offering a bribe- these people are scum, low life and need to be voted out.

Posted by: Linda | December 21, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Linda
The holdout Senators wouldn’t have gotten their “bribes” if any Republicans had crossed party lines to vote on the bill. If Snowe had voted for the bill she helped to craft, Reid would not have had to cave to the conservative Democrats to win their votes.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | December 21, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

I have never heard of anyone touting social security and medicare as shining examples of good government programs…unless you read it here.
But Amy and New Wave, go ahead and make those appointments four years from now and don’t be expecting to see Harry, Dodd and the rest getting their exams with you..they’ll be in some really nice private hospital (probably that one that cost 100 million that no one knows where its at) getting those manly annual checkups while your husbands and boyfriends will be bent over a table getting their exams at the dmv office.
Congrats!

Posted by: david | December 21, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am

“Government run healthcare is nothing but DEATH PANELS deciding who is worthy of care and who isn’t.”
Ever hear of insurance companies? They’re currently doing the exact same thing.
“Why would the government ever funnel money to those individuals not capable of helping the economy (handicapped, elderly, mentally impaired)?”
The government is currently funneling hundreds of billions of dollars to these same groups you claim will be left out.

Posted by: gary | December 21, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am

FROM A BUSINESS OWNER. The ten people I employee was put on notice about potential layoffs. I will have to lay off several of them and make the others work harder to cover the tax hike in this bill. I am barely covering expenses now to save my workers jobs. I wont be able to keep the doors open with the tax hikes.

Posted by: coastlinecascott | December 21, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Oh that is funny – Blame Olympia Snowe for the democrats bribing other democrats in order to pass this. It’s her fault?? FUNNY! I thought Bush was the blame all and everything on guy?

Posted by: New Independent | December 21, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Bribes, payoffs, kickbacks. Thomas Jefferson must be rolling over in his grave. The only institution I had hope in has become nothing but a clearing house for pork and thievery with a bunch of riverboat gamblers running the show..with our money.
We keep hearing the old adage about spending money like a drunken sailor. Well, first, the sailor was spending his own money. Second, when the sailor ran out of money, he quit drinking.

Posted by: salty | December 21, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am

obummer.

Posted by: obummerguy | December 21, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am

when the monstrosity shows itself for what it really is, to whom with the democrats direct the blame after they are the only ones to vote for it? what revisionist history will they apply?

Posted by: davidfrat21 | December 21, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

When this is all said and done, BO is going to be more unpopular then even jimmy carter- something I thought I would never see!

Posted by: Dave | December 21, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Listen to the Democrats crow.
‘we have victory’
‘we have a health care bill as promised’
No, actually you have 2 health care bills that are irreconcilable.
They are public option and non-public option.
Matter and anti-matter.
They will destroy one another on contact.

Posted by: Joe White | December 21, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

Dream on Joe White et al…

Posted by: New Wave | December 21, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

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