By Gorman Gorman

Dec 16, 2009 8:15am

Doctor is Out: A base-less drive for Obama, as Dean roils health care debate

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: The public option died this week. We don't yet know if it's the week's biggest casualty.

Between health care reform and his sliding poll numbers, the danger for President Obama is that he's entering a base-less stage of his presidency, as he presses his top priority.

The independents who powered him to victory are fleeing; just 43 percent now approve of his job performance, in the new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Democrats are still supportive — but the liberal base is growing anxious over health care, which has seen its favored flavor of soup watered down beyond recognition. The Senate bill (if you can call it that before it's back from the Congressional Budget Office) went from a public option to a Medicare expansion to none of the above — mostly to assuage one senator who's particularly loathed by the left.
 
Enter Howard Dean — still a force in the progressive movement. (And still not a friend of Rahm Emanuel's.)

The left now has a powerful spokesman for the argument that's been building for weeks. Even if Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders and Roland Burris aren't with Dr. Dean, this is a tough way to pass a bill.

"Decisions are being made about the long-term future of this country for short-term political reasons, and that's never a good sign," the former DNC chief told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America" Wednesday.

"This is a bigger bailout for the insurance industry than AIG," Dean added. "At this point, the bill does more harm than good. … This is an insurance company's dream."

For the record, the White House position on health care is far closer to Joe Lieberman's than Howard Dean's. Yes, only one of them gets a vote. But only one of them is a Democrat, too.

In this context, deadlines take on new significance. Allowing the skepticism and the outright opposition to build on the left — that's no recipe for happy holidays.

The backdrop — the president is down into thin air at 50, in the new ABC News/Washington Post poll: "A double punch of persistent economic discontent and growing skepticism on health care reform has knocked Barack Obama's key approval ratings to new lows, clouding his administration's prospects at least until the jobless rate eases," ABC Polling Director Gary Langer writes.

"Fifty percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post poll approve of the president's work overall, down 6 points in the last month; nearly as many, 46 percent, now disapprove. On the economy, 52 percent disapprove, a majority for the first time. On the deficit, his worst score, 56 percent disapprove."

On health care, "A bad-news majority for the first time," ABC's Jake Tapper said on "Good Morning America" Wednesday, with 51 percent saying they disapprove of the health care reform efforts.

The Washington Post's Dan Balz and Jon Cohen: "After a year of exhortation by President Obama and Democratic leaders and a high-octane national debate, there is minimal public enthusiasm for the kind of comprehensive changes in health care now under consideration. There are also signs the political fight has hurt the president's general standing with the public."

"The erosion in the president's standing has been driven by continued slippage among political independents, particularly among independent men. For the first time, a majority of independents disapprove of his overall job performance, and independents' disapproval of his handling of health care and the economy tops six in 10," they write.

There's always the left — right up until the moment there isn't.

"Congressional liberals are getting kicked in the teeth repeatedly on their way out of town for the holidays," Roll Call's Steven T. Dennis and Emily Pierce report. "Are they getting a public health insurance option? No. Medicare buy-in? No. That jobs package? Not so fast. Don't even ask about cap-and-trade."

"Liberals signaled on Tuesday that they would hold their noses and vote for a version of the measure that would strip out some of their most cherished provisions, including an expansion of Medicare and the possibility of a government-run insurance plan. But the House seemed unwilling to fall in line," Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Robert Pear report in The New York Times.

"Democratic leaders focused on keeping progressives' disappointment and anger in check so the Senate could quickly pass a bill before Christmas deadline," Lisa Wangsness and Susan Milligan write in The Boston Globe.

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill.: "They're not happy. I'm not happy. … We just don't want to lose the opportunity, the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

Realities: "Congressional and White House sources tell ABC News the Obama administration has been urging Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Senate Democrats to give in to moderate holdouts and to move forward with a scaled-down bill that includes no public option and no Medicare buy-in," ABC's Jonathan Karl and Devin Dwyer report. "The question is whether Senate liberals will agree, and, following that, if liberals in the House — many of whom have said they would vote ‘no' on any bill without a public option — will go along as well."

"The president firmly told Democrats: The time for bickering is over," Karl reported on "GMA" Wednesday. (And it will have to be just Democrats: Karl reports that Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, "doesn't like this latest compromise" and is "poised to vote no.")

The man in the middle — in more ways than one. "Depending on one's point of view, [Sen. Joe] Lieberman might be a turncoat who deserves to be booted from the Democratic caucus for good. Or he's a critical moderate voice who's protecting Democrats from far-left elements inside their own party," per ABC News. "On this, both sides agree: Lieberman himself couldn't be happier."

Back on the left — Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y.: "We need the president to stand up for the values our party shares. We must stop letting the tail wag the dog of this debate," Weiner told The Wall Street Journal's Greg Hitt and Janet Adamy.

Rep. George Miller, D-Calif.: "We in the House have made a beautiful souffle, but the Senate has scrambled an egg," Miller told the Los Angeles Times' Janet Hook and Noam N. Levey.

A bit broader: "House Democrats' long-simmering frustration with the slow pace of the Senate has begun to boil over, with a broad swath of Democratic representatives accusing their Sen ate colleagues of failing both their party and their country," Politico's Patrick O'Connor and Manu Raju report.

But … the towel looks tossed: "Reid does not have the votes for a public option, so in a world of alternatives you've got to focus on what you can get," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.

For those who need another excuse to be disappointed — the drug reimportation amendment failed Tuesday: "Even before the vote came, it had become clear that President Obama's aides had the votes to kill the proposal Senator Obama once co-sponsored," The Washington Post's Dana Milbank writes. "Tuesday's final clout tally wasn't even close. The drug companies won with nine votes to spare."

Not that the fight is over in the Senate: "I'm not on the bill," Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., still concerned about the abortion language, told Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown. "I have spoken with the president and he knows they are not wrapped up today."

Launching in Pennsylvania: a TV ad from the Susan B. Anthony List, playing Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., against his late father, on abortion coverage. "Who Shall Live?" the ad asks.

And that final potential complication: "A more pivotal player could be the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Its staff is in regular contact with senators, who routinely tweak and drop provisions in their legislation after CBO advises them it could be too costly," McClatchy's David Lightman reports.

Michael Gerson, in his Washington Post column: "Democratic health reform legislation promises everything to everyone while imposing a series of hidden burdens to make a massive new entitlement affordable, at least on paper. So its authors are in a game of beat the clock: Pass the legislation before those burdens are fully disclosed to the public."

Crowding: "While the decision to put off the debt fight — as well as potential clashes over highway construction, antiterrorism laws and satellite television rights — takes Congress off the hook for now, it significantly complicates the Democratic calendar for 2010," The New York Times' Carl Hulse writes. "Democrats now will have to resolve all those policy disputes while preparing for a vote on President Obama's request to add 30,000 troops in Afghanistan and, perhaps, still wrestling with health care. At the same time, the delay pushes some of the more politically delicate issues, like as an increase in the debt limit, that much closer to the November elections."

It's crowded in 2009, too: "President Barack Obama used the backdrop of a suburban Virginia Home Depot Tuesday to press his plans for job creation, the third event in four days in which the president has tried to show his concern for economic woes on Main Street," The Wall Street Journal's Jonathan Weisman and Elizabeth Williamson write.

"But political realities are clouding Mr. Obama's efforts. On Tuesday, House Democratic leaders unveiled a $75 billion job-creation package that doesn't include the two new ideas the president proposed last week: tax rebates for home energy-efficiency renovations — dubbed ‘cash for caulkers' — and tax credits for small businesses that hire new employees."

Perfect time for immigration reform: "I think it's critical," Rep. Yvette Clarke, D-N.Y., a co-sponsor of the newly introduced immigration bill, said on ABC's "Top Line" Tuesday. "It's a winner for the American people."

New title for Ben Bernanke, on the eve of the Senate Banking Committee's consideration of a second term for the Fed chief: Time's Person of the Year.

Wednesday in Copenhagen — Sen. John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is in town. His speech (already delivered) takes on the Chinese, as well as his fellow senators:

"Some of my colleagues in Washington remain — like some leaders elsewhere — reluctant to grapple with a climate crisis mostly measured in future dangers and parts per million, when they're confronted every day with the present pain of hard-working people in a tough economic time," Kerry planned to say, per USA Today's Kathy Kiely.

"To pass a bill, we must be able to assure a senator from Ohio that steelworkers in his state won't lose their jobs to India and China because those countries are not participating in a way that is measureable, reportable and verifiable," he adds.

What Obama's set to arrive at, on Friday: "The possibility of failure was in the air — the UN climate chief symbolically carried a life preserver to an early afternoon press conference — because so much needs to be done," The Boston Globe's Beth Daley writes.

Sarah Palin, swinging back at Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, R-Calif.: "Why is Governor Schwarzenegger pushing for the same sorts of policies in Copenhagen that have helped drive his state into record deficits and unemployment?" she posts on her Facebook page. "And while I did look for practical responses to those changes, what I didn't do was hamstring Alaska's job creators with burdensome regulations so that I could act ‘greener than thou' when talking to reporters."

Wednesday marks the 2009 New Hampshire debut of Gov. Tim Pawlenty, R-Minn. (and the first-ever trip by Alex Conant).

Roiling the landscape in Florida — a poll that has Gov. Charlie Crist, R-Fla., tied with Marco Rubio in the GOP Senate primary.

Staying put: "Spokespeople for Reps. Ike Skelton (D-MO) and Tim Holden (D-PA) say the incumbents will seek another term. Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA), another incumbent the NRCC has been pressuring to step aside, refused to confirm whether he will run again," Hotline's Reid Wilson and Erin McPike report. "Meanwhile, other potentially vulnerable incumbents have also assured the DCCC they are staying put. Reps. Ben Chandler (D-KY), Jim Matheson (D-UT) and Chet Edwards (D-TX) all told Dem leaders they would seek additional terms. A spokesperson for Rep. Lincoln Davis (D-TN) later said he will run for re-election as well."

Smart take — on why the Houston mayoral race matters: "The landmark election Saturday of America's first big-city lesbian mayor in Houston represents more than just a milestone in identity politics," Jonathan Martin and Ben Smith write for Politico. "It also signals an unmistakable evolutionary step in n ational politics, one that provides further evidence of a trend that helped make Barack Obama president: growth-oriented communities like the Texas metropolis, rather than aging big cities or nostalgia-inducing small towns, are setting the course of the country's political direction."

The Kicker:

"Why don't we all begin to have some fun? … Let's pass the bill." — President Obama, in his caucus meeting with Democrats, as quoted by The New York Times.

"We welcome the scrutiny from the press." — President Obama, not taking any questions on a health care bill that even most senators have not actually seen.

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User Comments

Why do some politicians hold their mouths’ funny?

Posted by: LongT | December 16, 2009, 8:47 am 8:47 am

Millions of Dollars is what Lieberman got from the Insurance Companies to vote their way.
The Republicans who shouted out the loudest against Medical insurance health care reform also got millions of dollars from the Insurance companies.
Lieberman and the Republicans are passonate about the millions of dollars they received from the insurance companies.

Posted by: Angie | December 16, 2009, 8:57 am 8:57 am

The ABC/WaPo poll goes against what other recent polls have shown, which is a slight rise in Obama’s approval. And much of the concern over health care will be eased somewhat if a bill is passed in the Senate.

Posted by: matt | December 16, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am

Reconciliation Reconciliation Reconciliation– The GOP used it under Bush– A bill without a public Option is a resounding win for the Insurance lobby and their paid off Senators. The party of No, and their lapdog Lieberman, are obstructing to their corporate masters will!!!

Posted by: brian | December 16, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Health Care Reform = New Social Conflict between Law Abiding Taxpayers and Treasonous Governments?
This health care reform bill is nothing more than a power grab and a government’s structure, for the beginning of the fundamental change from our present free market and capitalist system to one of a fascist socialist form of big government, by the government for the people.
A power grab being constructed in the middle of darkness, behind closed doors and private deals and payoffs being directed from a corrupt Chicago gang of political insiders and unelected czars from within the white house itself.
It contains clauses which are clearly unconstitutional and contrary to the very oath of office these politicians from all parties and independents alike took and swore to uphold. Not in a free country and nor in the peoples constitution does it give government the right to force or demand citizens to buy healthcare or any other service that the government deems appropriate, or be jailed for failure to do so!
Our Senators, Congress members all are governing like diminutive Kings and Queens, which they are not. If Senator Joe Lieberman, a Jews independent member of Congress sitting with the democrats, succumbs to personal threats that have already been made against his wife and himself and does not continue to uphold the wishes of the majority of the people, which presently stand s at 61% against this structural reform of Americas heath care system, Joe will become a member of the gang of sixty.
History will record this gang of sixty Senators as the treasonous bunch of politicians who themselves succumbed to blindly following the orders of paid political special interest groups, unions and lobbyists indirect opposition to the voters and a violation to the constitution they all have sworn to uphold, but apparently have not read.
Any final passage of this structural reform health care bill will be the end of the start of this administrations illegal and unconstitutional attempt, to fundamental change and circumcise and castrate the Constitution of the United States of America. God help them all.

Posted by: peterclarke | December 16, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Angie and brian
I agree with you. How can we trust the senators to do the right thing when they are owned by the insurance companies? I trust Dr. Dean, and it makes me so nervous he’s against this bill.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | December 16, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Why don’t the Dems pass health care reform? They have all the votes needed in the house and senate and they have a dem president. I’m starting to wonder if they are any good.

Posted by: pleasepasshealthcare | December 16, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am

I am starting to like this bill. The way I look at it is that it has all the stuff republicans wanted in the first place and not much of what the libs wanted. so go ahead and pass it. You know I’m not sure you won’t get some moderate repubs to vote for this now.

Posted by: jjj | December 16, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Thank you Senator Lieberman. Sincerely, thank you.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | December 16, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am

ALL of this could have been stopped if we had the kind of campaign reform BARACK OBAMA wanted when he was in the senate. If you make it illegal for PACs to make the contributions they make, these senators would not have all been bought off. That is a fact. They are ALL bought off. They make me sick.

Posted by: angela Mancuso | December 16, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am

All of you idiots who are for want government run insurance are failing to look at the larger picture which is the debt of the federal government. Since the administration of Herbert Hoover the idiots in DC have been spending more than they have been taking in from revenue. Over the last 10 years the debt has skyrocketed upwards and is rapidly reaching the point where it is unsustainable. Without finicial responsibility in DC we won’t have money to pay for the things we already have, so until the debt is brought under control no new spending.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | December 16, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am

OK, so right off the bat – I am an unabashed liberal. I would love to have a public option in the bill and I HATE what Lieberman has done. Having said that – this is the art of governance and THIS is why we elected Obama. Thing about it for a moment. The choice is not between a bill without a public option and a bill with one. That would be easy. The choice is between a bill without a public option and no reform at all. And given THAT choice, I will always choose reform now and carry on the effort to add other progressive ideas in the years to come. The best way to do that? Elect more progressives! But let’s not close our eyes and ignore the realities in the Senate. Fortunately or unfortunately, our decisions get made by people who we have elected. They have votes – in the Senate and in the Congress. And the only way we have right now to pass bills is to get 60 votes. So WHAT are we going to do besides get indignant?? We do what Kennedy said – get what you can get RIGHT NOW, and then begin the fight for more the very next day.
So, here’s a note to all my fellow liberals – this is a win, believe me. A health care reform bill that achieves a LOT. It does not achieve everything. So, let’s get this in the bag and begin or fight afresh tomorrow.
80% of what we want is better than 0%.

Posted by: Sunil | December 16, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Limousine liberals and RINO republicans have been harming our financial system for years. With the elections of 2006 and 2008, the inmates are truly running the asylum.
The fact that liberals are trying to pass a massive gov’t takeover, without any REFORM measures directed at cost cutting included in it, is insane. Calling this bill “health reform” is as dumb as believing the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is actually in the business of protecting our individual liberties (they protect pedophiles and have been trying to ban our right to bear arms for years).
Hopefully this bill will be crushed and the liberals utopian dream of a gov’t run way of life will be defeated.

Posted by: Dave | December 16, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am

We are in a war with long-entrenched corporate interests. Losing a battle does not mean we have lost the war. It means that we should brace for more action.
President Obama stated this during last year’s campaign: CHANGE would not be easy as entrenched interests would fight to maintain the status quo.
My prediction is that medicare expansion will come up as bill on its own. It will be a way to make medicare solvent since having people less than 65 buy in (at premiums even 200% of what older recipients pay) would increase inflow of funds from people who would not need as much medical procedures as our elderly citizens.

Posted by: New Wave | December 16, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

I saw this bill failing because of the lobbiesst that have made sure that it will stop. The Republicans do not want health care reform because it’s not their idea and not good for the money grubbing insurance companies. I am a believer that Obama need’s to say, I’m stopping this train wreck of legislation. I am starting from scratch and look at other capitalist countries that have made health care reform happen in their nations and it’s working. Then start get it done and don’t take no for an answer. When will the Congress and Senate start listening to the people, because I want health care reform with a public option. Health Care Reform is a mmust.

Posted by: Katie Mc | December 16, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am

when was this country taken over by comies. this dictatorship may work in such places like cuba or the old ussr.

Posted by: bubba | December 16, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

but we live in the united states of america, where the highest percent of people don’t want goverment heathcare. The usa is one of the few places where people still have a little bit of free will left for there selfs to make decsions. If Barek Obama bin laden the first terriest president of the usa gets his way you can kiss free will good bye and better days good bye

Posted by: bubba | December 16, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

pleasepasshealthcare – Why? I feel Republicans are the party of bad ideas, but they are generally unified. I feel Democrats are the party of no ideas, and all of them think their ideas is equal or better to the next and want their 15 minutes of fame instead of working as a group. Makes absolutely no sense that with a plurality, they can’t get their agenda thru. I am a Democrat and I want to slap them all out of love. Stop watering down this bill so that you can say you passed something. Either do it right or leave it alone.

Posted by: FunInChicago | December 16, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

So the bill does contain insurance can not discriminate due to pre-existing conditions, and can’t drop a person who is getting to expensive to cover. Those were big items for the Dems. But they’d throw those away because they can’t get the public option. Wow they really are more interested in sticking it to the insurance companies than they are helping the people. They are convinced the only way is to create a huge beauracracy that will far exceed the estimates of costs just like medicsre and ss did. The Dems are bent on taking the ‘No Tax Left Behind’ path to finance this monster. They should just force insurers to offer a non-profit plan that has basic coverage and the insurers can make money on the group plans and the more expensive ones.

Posted by: jschmidt | December 16, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

bubba – you sound like a bubba. What did you do, 1 year, 5 years, 10 years ago that you can’t do now? And no, I am not referencing your physical agility, I am talking what freedoms have you lost?

Posted by: FunInChicago | December 16, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Kill…the…Bill…

Posted by: jafo | December 16, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

New Wave – the Medicare option went down the tubes long before now. The Finance Committee recevied a report when they were working on this piece of crap bill that lowering the age to be eligible for Medicare would do nothing but rapidly accelerate the death spiral of the program. Medicare currently has in excess of 35 Trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities which is why it is an unsustainable program.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | December 16, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Katie Mc – Health care reform may be a must but it must be done in a fiscally responsible way. There is no more room to add to the debt of the federal government so the only option is for the idiots in DC to figure out a method to fund their program so that it is 100% neutral. The smoke and mirrors they are using are not working. You can’t take funding out of one bill and then put it in anotheer bill and say see we didn’t increase the spending we reduced it. You can’t collect revenue for a program for ten years and spend money on the program for six years and say see at the end of 10 years it pays for itself. That is the problem, there is no funding available for what the idiots on the left are trying to ram down the throats of us who pay taxes.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | December 16, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

Millions of Dollars is what Lieberman got from the Insurance Companies to vote their way.
The Republicans who shouted out the loudest against Medical insurance health care reform also got millions of dollars from the Insurance companies.
Lieberman and the Republicans are passonate about the millions of dollars they received from the insurance companies. posted by Angie
——————
So are the Democrats. You do know that insurance companies and other companies involved with health care donate to both parties along with independent candidates, don’t you?
You might say lobbyists are ‘un-biased bribers’.

Posted by: malcat | December 16, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Someone said: “Lieberman and the Republicans are passonate about the millions of dollars they received from the insurance companies.”
Bull-oney, if that’s true, then it must also be the case that the Democrats were driven by their drug-company backers when they rejected an amendment to the Health-Bill that would have allowed people to import cheaper drugs from Canada and Mexico.
This goes both ways, if the insurance companies are supporting Republicans and influencing them, then the Drug-companies are supporting Democrats and influencing them.
Fact is, there too much lobbying and money backers influencing ALL our congressmen & senators. That is where real reform needs to take place. You can’t fix a system when the fixers are corrupt.

Posted by: Danny | December 16, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

As a Progessive I am not surprised at this total failure of a bill as this is how our inept government has acted for 30 years or more. Our government is for big business only – you and I count only on election day. Time to overhaul this dysfunctional government and go back to laws anti-trust laws and laws governing comercial banks and keeping them separate from investment banking. Also we need to nationalize the FED and take back control of printing money and the value thereof. No more out sourcing government jobs with no oversight! We need a governemnt by the people and for the people and not by corporations for corporations. Greedy capitalism is DEAD.

Posted by: eyeonyou | December 16, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Whew!” …….. you guys had me worried!!!! ….. For a while there, I thought that a bunch of you non-government, worker-type, “commoners” were going to be “buying into” … “my”… government subsidized (public option, i.e., the Federal Employee Health Benefits (FEHB) insurance program. Well, at least that’s what those 10 Democratic senators were talking about last week.
Damn, I’m so glad that so many of you fools bought into that Republican “socialized medicine” scare, and, basically, shut down that health reform bill! Thank God! Now, all you non-government type commoners out there won’t be trying to creep into “my” Federal Employee Health Benefits (FEHB) program (public option), with that “Buy-In” crapola those 10 Democratic senators were talking about last week. I mean, can you imagine if that happened?….. Then, all those public option-type benefits that I get to enjoy would have to be shared with you commoners! … Hey, let me make this PERFECTLY CLEAR to all you non-government types out there…ONLY “us” government-employee elites get to enjoy cheaper, “public option” like, health insurance like our FEHB program. If more of you try to “buy-into” “our” program, guess what? It messes up my public option insurance and that won’t make me too happy! You know, the old saying, “too many cooks spoil the broth”… well, same prinicple applies here with “my” public option insurance, the FEHB! …. LOL
In the meantime, oh yeah (LOL) go ahead and complain… so your civilian health care insurance premiums have risen on the average of 8.8% each year for the past ten years? So you’re paying $9 more for every $100 you spend on health care, each year, and it’s going to continue like that… “OK, annnnnnd?” (LOL) That’s your problem!……
(LOL… Just remember, when your insurance premiums climb next year, by $40, $50, $60… and the same thing happens the year after next… and the year after that… and so on, and so on….. please remember to send your “Thank You” notes to the Republican party and Joe Lieberman! They earned your thanks and mine also… “Whew!”) … LMAO!

Posted by: GeorgieBushie | December 16, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Nice to see someone in the Dems, with some position, admit the truth, which the public already knows.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 16, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

Well, at least Dean is being honest about this really bad bill.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 16, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

I don’t care if it’s a good bill we need health care now. anything is better than nothin. I can’t believe we can’t get this trough now.

Posted by: pleasepasshealthcare | December 16, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Funinchicago: I don’t know about bubba, but I am losing the freedom to run my business the way I see fit. I have to pay for all of theses intitlement programs, porkulus bills, health care ponzi schemes, climategate, and all of the other government programs these loser politicians dream up. Good ridance dumBO and your fellow crooks Pigolosi, Reid, Franks etc.

Posted by: Todd | December 16, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

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