Gibbs Bashes Gallup Daily Tracking Poll
ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:
President Obama's presidential job approval rating in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update is 47% — a record low.
The president's job approval rating is below 50% in several other polls, but White House spokesman Robert Gibbs today, when asked about the Gallup results, called them meaningless.
"If I was a heart patient and Gallup was my EKG I'd visit my doctor," Gibbs said. "If you look back I think five days ago we were, there was an 11 point spread, now there's a one point spread."
Gibbs continued, "you know, I mean I'm sure a six year old with a crayon could do something not unlike that. I don’t put a lot of stake in, never have, in the EKG that is the daily Gallup trend. I don’t pay a lot of attention to meaninglessness."
Since mid-November the President"s approval rating has been below 50%, Gallup says, though it has averaged 50% in December, similar to the December averages of 53% for President Bill Clinton and 49% for President Ronald Reagan, who also took office during times of economuc turmoil. Every other president averaged in their first December job approval ratings of 57% or higher.
ABC News Political Director David Chalian points out that the very latest Gallup number, out just minutes ago, is 50%.
Not that Mr. Gibbs is paying attention to such piffle!
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I think it’s pretty clear who the kids with crayons are.
Gibbs is definitely a paste eater.
Surprised he didn’t call the poll “racist” too…
Posted by: Paint | December 8, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Ignore the polls at your own peril Mr. Gibbs. They represent what the public which elected your boss now thinks of him. I’d imagine your own approval ratings are below Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Gibbs has to be the most obnoxious,
condescending, moron who has ever been white house press secretary!
He has to Go!
Posted by: reaganfan | December 8, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Apparently the Marist poll is 46. That’s tied with Sarah Palin – but they are headed in opposite directions.
Posted by: Plumber | December 8, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Great headline at Drudgereport:
WHITE HOUSE SLAMS POLLS: KIDS WITH CRAYONS…
GALLUP: NEW LOW AT 47%…
Lowest of Any President at This Point…
…ONLY 26% THINK HE DESERVES NOBEL
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POLL: PALIN PULLS WITHIN 1-POINT OF OBAMA…
Posted by: nothing more than a photo-op | December 8, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Wait till the middle class taxpayer discovers that 15million illegals WILL be covered under Obamas healthcare plan
Posted by: nothing more than a photo-op | December 8, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Don’t like the message just ignore it as meaningless. Isn’t this the same guy who has been saying polls say that Americans want healthcare reform?
Posted by: jb | December 8, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
He is such a buffoon!
Posted by: Scott | December 8, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
His approval is higher than Reagan’s. And this economic recession is way, way worse.
Posted by: Jake | December 8, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Gibbs is loosing it and I love it!
Posted by: BubbaRight | December 8, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
I agree with Gibbs! There is NO WAY that 47% of Americans approve of Obama. They sure aren’t calling ANYONE that I know!
Posted by: Trisha | December 8, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
I am very disgusted thus far with Obama. I voted for him, raised money, sent money, and took people to the polls.
He, Pelosi and and Reid have failed to change the tone in washington and sound just like the GOP in control did. Its time for divided government again.
Posted by: scott jeffries | December 8, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
reagan had about the same numbers at a critical period like this in his presidency and he was considered well liked. ’nuff said.
but really, the numbers arent far from those who voted against him and hated him before the election. and, the polls right before the election failed to predict the actual turnout for obama. these polls still rely too heavily on land lines. i don’t know anyone but my grandma who still uses a land line. the rest of us, likely obama supporters, use cell phones.
Posted by: birdy | December 8, 2009, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Obviously, Gallup is like Rasmussen, not a serious polling organization–just like Fox is not a serious news organization. Time for the liberal boycott of Gallup to begin. These flat-earthers are like climate change deniers and birthers, they should be isolated and demonized. You know, the way Alinsky taught us to do.
Gallup, we hereby revoke your Bob Gibbs seal of media approval.
Posted by: News Czar | December 8, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
“POLL: PALIN PULLS WITHIN 1-POINT OF OBAMA… ”
Palin’s favorable rating is at 46% in 1 poll.
That is a different rating from job approval.
Obama’s favorable rating is 54.3% in RCP’s poll average with his lowest fav being 50% in the polls listed..
Right winger Andrew Malcolm who wrote that pretends that the favorable and job approval rating are the same.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Tell Gibbs to stop whinning. And his attacks on women and on anything he does not like is getting old but then again that is this administration style and mentalty. I think that is a big part of his poor poll numbers.
Posted by: Ken | December 8, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
“Apparently the Marist poll is 46. That’s tied with Sarah Palin – but they are headed in opposite directions.”
Wrong.
46% is Palin’s favorable rating.
She does not have a job approval rating because she quit her job.
Obama’s favorable rating according got RCP’s poll compilation avg is 54%+
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Bagdad Bob is attacking Gallup? That’s hilarious. His credibility is already shot but he keeps digging.
Posted by: Kala | December 8, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
“His approval is higher than Reagan’s. And this economic recession is way, way worse.”
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Ummmm, not quite…Reagan was at 49%.
– George W. Bush, 86 percent
– Bill Clinton, 52 percent
– George H.W. Bush, 71 percent
– Ronald Reagan, 49 percent
– Jimmy Carter, 57 percent
– Gerald Ford, 52 percent
– Richard Nixon, 59 percent
– Lyndon Johnson, 74 percent
– John Kennedy, 77 percent
– Dwight Eisenhower, 69 percent
– Harry Truman, 49 percent
Likewise, unemployment crested at 10.8% in 1982 under Reagan, however he also had to deal with double digit inflation for a few years.
Obama’s approval ratings have not even seen the impact of inflation yet…stay tuned.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
“these polls still rely too heavily on land lines”
The robo callers do because of some state laws but many other live operator polling organizations are including cell phone samples in their polls including Gallup.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
I want the progressives to keep disregarding public opinion.
Posted by: Mike L | December 8, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
There was a time when I would read Jake Tapper’s Q&A for the WH and get soooo angry because I could not figure out how a washed-in-fabric softener frat boy got away with giving “answers” like he did. The smart ass, condescending, “beneath me” responses he gave were nothing more than spin, spin, spin.
Then I realized that he’s actually a HELP more than anything. He brings to the forefront exactly how arrogant, egotistical and elite this administration really is. They have no clue what the pulse of this country is, and I couldn’t be happier…it makes 2010 and 2012 so much better to look foward to.
For the record, make sure you all check out the biggovernment website by Andrew Brietbart. There is a FASCINATING article on the health care bill and who might have been involved in putting it together. Oh, and take a peek at the Kevin Jones story while you are there. These two articles might give you a little more insight into the Obama administrations actions.
Posted by: Shoe | December 8, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
“Likewise, unemployment crested at 10.8% in 1982 under Reagan, however he also had to deal with double digit inflation for a few years.”
And when it hit that level in 1982, Reagan’s approval rating went as low as 35%.
So why did you try to conflate Reagan’s 1981 Dec rating with the conditions in 1982?
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Nothing like a little bit of DENIAL. It’s one of the 12 steps, isn’t it?
Posted by: Aaron | December 8, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
“These two articles might give you a little more insight into the Obama administrations actions.”
Always gives me a chuckle when right wingers call their manufactured outrages “insights”.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | Dec 8, 2009 2:43:18 PM
Ronald Reagan’s approval ratings fell BELOW 40% during his first term. At about the same time the unemployment rate hit 10.8%, Reagan’s approval rating hit a low of 35%.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
the business of demonizing institutions that disagree with you-Gallup, FOX, Chamber of Commerce et al, is beyond tiresome. You people are in charge-act like it-take the high road, stop whining & bullying and get to the tasks at hand. Good leadership involves thick skin.
I just can’t understand why there is not more outcry over this – in a recession no less, the White House sees clear to impugn businesses in the hopes, presumably, of devaluing them to a point where they can be hurt financially or even destroyed. This is Gallup we’re talking about–and from the biggest soap box in the world, his buffoon sees fit to disparage them and by implication, question their competence – this is the White House doing this – the “People’s House” – this bother anyone else, left or right?
Posted by: ted | December 8, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
This mentality of ignoring the public has been the standard mode of operation since Obama seized power. The more Marxist he is, the worse his numbers go. There is a direct correlation in it that even a 6 year old with crayons could point out with their eyes closed. The White House and ruling party operate with complete contempt of the people to advance their agenda. It’s exactly why Obama has Marxists, Communists, Socialists, and Maoists as his personally chosen, closest advisers and administrators of the agenda. He’s building a a radical leftist machine inside the government. It’s already infiltrated the EPA and the NEA. The FCC is infected as well. The longer the radicals are allowed to control the White House and the ruling party, the worse his their numbers will continue to fall and the more they will hurt the nation. They are not “recovering what Bush did”. That’s only lie to cover the agenda which was euphemistically and ambiguously referred to as “Fundamental Change”. Obama purposefully neglected to state what he was changing the government into, but those who paid attention to his proposed agenda clearly saw the socialism of it all. Most others were fainting, crying, lusting, or struck dumb in awe at Obama’s massive cult of personality. He was more popular than Michael Jackson, John Lennon, and Jesus, combined. Now, people realized, he’s not John Lennon, he’s Vladimir Lenin. Chains you can believe in comrade! Debauching the currency, grinding the bourgeois between the stone do taxes and inflation, striking the death blow to the government, using the media for propaganda, using the media as leverage to create the illusion of consensus and thought organization, the indoctrination of our children in to worship Obama and government. All these things are happening right now and all were direct agenda items of Vladimir Lenin. I never thought I would see this in this country. I thought we were past being enamored with communism as we once were under Wilson. We were told back in the 1960′s what’s coming if we as a nation are not vigilant to guard against it. Nikita Khrushchev warned us about this. He said, “You Americans are so gullible! We don’t have to invade you! We will destroy you from within without firing a shot! We will spoon feed you socialism until your Communists and don’t even know it! We assist your elected leaders in giving you small doses of Socialism until you suddenly awake to find you have Communism. the day will come when your grandchildren will live under communism!” With Obama and the ruling party’s help, that promise will be made true. With willing help from the socialists of the democrat party. The moderates of the party aren’t enough in number as too many of them sell their votes to the socialists. The real moderates have been forced mostly form both parties. Firs tthe republicans ran them off, but it took 4 years to do it. The democrats are running them out now at a record pace. Some of the socialist democrats have actually stated that the agenda now now longer requires them and they are not even wanted anymore. The moderates in the party actually are threatened for refusing to support the socialist agenda.
Posted by: TexBork009 | December 8, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
I love how he tells us that he doen’t pay attention to the polls (“meaninglessness” he called them) but then in the same breath he tells us what the spread of the poll five days ago was compared to today. Hmmmmm.
Posted by: Shannon | December 8, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Meanwhile, you have the “purveyors of rational discourse” like Harry Reid out there comparing opponents of Health Care Reform to supporters of slavery.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
So is Gallup now on the ‘enemies’ list?
Posted by: bct | December 8, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
What Gibbs should have said: “The President realizes that the public is very unhappy with the current economic environment. This is quite naturally reflected in the current approval ratings. At the moment the only numbers the President cares about is the unemployment numbers and the deficit numbers.”
Instead Gibbs said, “Wahhhh I don’t believe these numbers. Wahhhh Gallop isn’t trustworthy. A bunch of 6 year olds with crayons. Wahhhhh”
Does anyone see Gibbs lasting all 4 years? I am sure Rahm loves him so he will be here for a while.
Posted by: den | December 8, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
“since Obama seized power”
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You discredit your entire post in the first few sentences by claiming Obama seized power – that’ a big bunch of BS spin.
Obama was elected by a good majority in a democracy, he did not ‘seize’ power. Go back and start over.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
I’d rather hear what Gibbs had to say in response to a compelling and important question on something that acutally matters.
Posted by: Serafina | Dec 8, 2009 2:00:08 PM
You’re rationalizing the whole situation. Gibbs represents the current administration and especially the President. Support of Gibbs by not sending him packing is a black mark on the President – whether he’s pushing a big agenda or not.
And you (and they) better start dealing with reality. You can name all the “agenda” items you want. Without jobs, you’ve got nothing.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Fastest in history to fall to 47%. Period.
Oh, how I am laughing!
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | December 8, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
His approval is higher than Reagan’s. And this economic recession is way, way worse.
Posted by: Jake | Dec 8, 2009 2:24:48 PM
Snap out of your dream state, Jake! This is the here and now, not some classroom discussion of past presidents. It’s what Obama IS doing and ISN’T doing that’s important. Not some unicorn comparison to make you feel better about the inexperienced Senator you voted into office. Time to man up Jake.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
I agree with Gibbs! There is NO WAY that 47% of Americans approve of Obama.
Posted by: Trisha | Dec 8, 2009 2:27:38 PM
Now THAT’S funny!
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
“Does anyone see Gibbs lasting all 4 years?”
You’d be hard pressed to find a press secretary who lasts that long, McCurry was the last to make it 4 years (not in a single term of office).
Its got to be one of most reviled jobs one can have.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
I think it’s pretty clear who the kids with crayons are.
Gibbs is definitely a paste eater.
Posted by: Paint
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Now that made me laugh…thanks!
Posted by: wow | December 8, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
What Gibbs should have said: “The President realizes that the public is very unhappy with the current economic environment. This is quite naturally reflected in the current approval ratings. At the moment the only numbers the President cares about is the unemployment numbers and the deficit numbers.”
Instead Gibbs said, “Wahhhh I don’t believe these numbers. Wahhhh Gallop isn’t trustworthy. A bunch of 6 year olds with crayons. Wahhhhh”
Does anyone see Gibbs lasting all 4 years?
Posted by: den | Dec 8, 2009 3:09:57 PM
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Interesting points den. I’m not sure what the thinking is on Gibbs, other than some kind of loyalty factor. Is it possible he saves all his hissing for Tapper – that there is some problem between the two of them? Does the whole press corp behave childishly?
den your explanation of the Gallup numbers seems to be the sensible one.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
And when it hit that level in 1982, Reagan’s approval rating went as low as 35%.
So why did you try to conflate Reagan’s 1981 Dec rating with the conditions in 1982?
Posted by: Ryan C | Dec 8, 2009 2:51:21 PM
And what does this have to do with the current administration and the decisions the President is making today? Are the conditions the same? Is he making the same decisions as President? Will he make the same decisions in the next 3 years? Is the Congress the same? Are they making the same decisions? The comparison is a crock thought up by liberals grasping at straws.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
“Likewise, unemployment crested at 10.8% in 1982 under Reagan, however he also had to deal with double digit inflation for a few years.”
And when it hit that level in 1982, Reagan’s approval rating went as low as 35%.
So why did you try to conflate Reagan’s 1981 Dec rating with the conditions in 1982?
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Yes, Reagan’s approval ratings were FAR worse – and he got elected to a second term.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
“Fastest in history to fall to 47%. Period.”
Bill Clinton hit 37% in June of his first year and his approval rating stayed in the low to mid 40′s until Sept.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
At the moment the only numbers the President cares about is the unemployment numbers and the deficit numbers.
Posted by: den | Dec 8, 2009 3:09:57 PM
Bwwwaaaaahahahahahahahaha! That’s rich. Really rich! That’s what I call C-O-M-E-D-Y-!
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
You’d be hard pressed to find a press secretary who lasts that long,
Its got to be one of most reviled jobs one can have.
Posted by: Ryan C | Dec 8, 2009 3:16:43 PM
More excuses and goal post moving from “the crew.” I’m sure you made the same statements for all of Bush’s press secs, right?
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“And what does this have to do with the current administration and the decisions the President is making today?”
When looking at poll trends, historical comparisons are useful though not predicative.
And right now Obama seems to be mimicking Reagan’s approval trend (though Reagan dropped like a rock to 35% in early 1982) with some basic similarities in the conditions faced.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
More excuses and goal post moving from “the crew.” I’m sure you made the same statements for all of Bush’s press secs, right?”
Post moving?
Most press secretaries last 2 or 3 years.
The last press sec to serve wire to wire was the first Bush.
Feel free to argue that press secretaries commonly serve out the President’s term regardless of the facts (especially in the TV/24 hour news cycle era).
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
You’d be hard pressed to find a press secretary who lasts that long,
Its got to be one of most reviled jobs one can have.
Posted by: Ryan C | Dec 8, 2009 3:16:43 PM
More excuses and goal post moving from “the crew.” I’m sure you made the same statements for all of Bush’s press secs, right?
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How is pointing out the history of the position `goal post moving`?
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Is it possible he saves all his hissing for Tapper – that there is some problem between the two of them?
Posted by: tierra | Dec 8, 2009 3:20:53 PM
This not a blame game to the millions out of work! And you can’t start blaming the press corps when things start going wrong. Didn’t he just tell a woman last week to calm down? Wasn’t there some sort of Major Garrett problem earlier? Hasn’t Gibbs been a snot in general to just about everyone? He represents the current administration and the President of the United States. This is not a time for saying Gibbsy is just Gibbsy. They already have one of those: his name is Joe Biden. They are supposed to be professionals. They ARE running the country after all!
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
This administration cares nothing about facts. The do everything based on feelings or convention.
Posted by: Elle | December 8, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
`goal post moving`?
Posted by: tierra | Dec 8, 2009 3:32:47 PM
Post moving?
Posted by: Ryan C | Dec 8, 2009 3:32:42 PM
You were perfectly happy with Gibbs being a jerk before. Didn’t here a peep about how hard the job was back when Obama’s poll numbers were high. But since the reality of this EPIC FAIL comes to pass… now poor Gibbsy is struggling because the job is unpopular. Poor baby. Better move those performance goal posts back a little!
Go ahead and wallow in your word semantics while 17% of the country is unemployed if that makes you feel better. BTW: have YOU created a job for anyone recently? Maybe you should pledge an oath to Obama and create a job – make that old trickle up theory of his really work!
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
The figures never lie Mr. Gibbs, but liars like you sure can figure.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
with some basic similarities in the conditions faced.
Posted by: Ryan C | Dec 8, 2009 3:28:14 PM
Wow, very interesting. Yawn. Were they the same ideologically? Would you expect the same result going forward?
I don’t think it’s a good idea to start comparing something that happened so recently with something that happened 25 years ago. It’s too soon to draw any conclusions about the past 10 months. History looks different as years go by and you can actually see how decisions affected subsequent events.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
This not a blame game to the millions out of work! And you can’t start blaming the press corps when things start going wrong.
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Sorry, the economic crash wasn’t the press secretary’s fault – we know when that happened and who was at the reigns.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
“You were perfectly happy with Gibbs being a jerk before”
I said quite a few times that Gibbs and his performance as Press Sec are in line with other press secretaries.
I have been thinking more of Ari Fleischer and Joe Lockhart of late in regards to Gibbs. Maybe McCurry, he was a master.
“Didn’t here a peep about how hard the job was back when Obama’s poll numbers were high.”
Huh?
What are you talking about?
Part of the remarkable nature of Obama’s higher poll numbers was the conditions in which he was getting them.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Go ahead and wallow in your word semantics while 17% of the country is unemployed if that makes you feel better.
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The country was shedding something like 700,000 jobs in a month under Bush.
“Meanwhile, after 21 consecutive months of recording six-digit job losses, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics said the world’s biggest economy shed only 11,000 jobs – with the jobless rate moving down to 10 per cent from 10.2 per cent.”
Not perfect yet, by any means – but way better than that complete collapse and chaos left by the last administration.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
“Go ahead and wallow in your word semantics while 17% of the country is unemployed if that makes you feel better.”
Again its nice to see the right wing embrace the U6 employment figure after years of ignoring it.
For those that are unfamiliar the U6 figure measures long term unemployed and under employed (those who are able to and want to work full time but onyl have part time jobs) as well as the recently unemployed.
The U3 figure is the one we are most familiar with as measuring unemployment.
Right wingers avoided this number in the Bush economic bubble because it was twice the U3 figure which we are most familiar with.
So who thinks the right wing will actually embrace the U6 measure and continue to use it regardless of the party of the President or is it just a cynical attempt to confuse people?
“BTW: have YOU created a job for anyone recently?”
Yes actually though only part time work for 2 positions.
Today I got to tell people about their Christmas bonuses.
Though I certainly have quite a few friends who have been laid off or are working cut hours.
And unlike the right wing I don’t consider the unemployed to be parasites.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
“the economic crash wasn’t the press secretary’s fault – we know when that happened and who was at the reigns.”
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No, it’s not the Press Sec’s fault, he’s just a fool’s errand boy. But we do know who’s been writing the laws since January 2007, and that would be the Dems that have controlled both branches of Congress, which currently has a 27% RCP approval rating and is pushing legislation that the majority of America does NOT want…it’s laughably arrogant that Obama now has the gaul to decry a TARP bill as something that he inherited when it was largely designed by his current Treasury Sec, and he also voted FOR it. This bozo is taking the American public for fools and we are now beginning to the wipe the stardust from our eyes.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
“It’s too soon to draw any conclusions about the past 10 months.”
Agreed.
So when will you stop doing so?
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
“But we do know who’s been writing the laws since January 2007, and that would be the Dems that have controlled both branches of Congress, which currently has a 27% RCP approval rating”
Finny thing about that the GOP ratings are far worse than the Democrats in Congress.
In fact the GOP brand is so damaged by its inherent rank hypocrisy that a mythical tea party candidate kicks their butt.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
.it’s laughably arrogant that Obama now has the gaul to decry a TARP bill as something that he inherited when it was largely designed by his current Treasury Sec, and he also voted FOR it.
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Please provide a quote, source and date for Obama ‘decrying’ the TARP bill.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
“The president’s job approval rating is below 50% in several other polls, but White House spokesman Robert Gibbs today, when asked about the Gallup results, called them meaningless.”
Wow. What a tone-deaf administration. First oblivious to Tea Party protesters and now this. I suppose that for ideologues, ideology trumps information and current events.
Posted by: Jamal | December 8, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
What a tone-deaf administration.
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Not really. When you consider Reagan fell to 35% approval during his first term, dipping just below 50% pales in comparison.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
“Please provide a quote, source and date for Obama ‘decrying’ the TARP bill.”
You’re gonna be waiting for a very long time.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
“Please provide a quote, source and date for Obama ‘decrying’ the TARP bill.”
You’re gonna be waiting for a very long time.
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It seems so easy for right wingers to fabricate things – or just outright lie. Why?
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
“Funny thing about that the GOP ratings are far worse than the Democrats in Congress.”
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The Dems have been driving the bus and writing the laws since January 2007. Spin it any way you want Mr. Ryan C. Gibbs, but 27% is 27% and the American public is NOT happy with what they are doing when they have a 64% DISAPPROVAL rating.
The generic congressional ballot of both Rasmussen and Gallup currently favors the GOP, but no one can argue that “anti-incumbency” is going to dominate for the next few years until some serious House (and Senate) cleaning is done…and there are more incumbent Dems than Reps. People are paying very close attention to what these politicians are doing and how they are voting.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
What a very silly response. I find it highly interesting– in a diabolical, hypocritical way–that the opposition wants to dictate when and how to look at history (in other words, only when it benefits them.)
Posted by: Gwen | Dec 8, 2009 4:11:36 PM
I find it interesting that you just described what the left has started doing in the past month. Obama has been trying to name drop Reagan for a while now, but this similar poll numbers crap has just started cropping up since Obama’s numbers started nose-diving.
So basically you just described the left – not the right in the “when it suits them” dept.
Fail. Try again.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
If the economy continues to recover, health care reform energizes the base, unemployment decreases and people start finding jobs, Afghanistan goes well, financial reform goes through, Gitmo gets closed– Obama will likely be re-elected very handily.
Posted by: Gwen | Dec 8, 2009 4:11:36 PM
Wow, that’s a long list – none of which has happened yet (don’t bother arguing about the economy recovering, I’m not buying it).
You forgot “if donkeys fly.”
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
“Please provide a quote, source and date for Obama ‘decrying’ the TARP bill.”
You’re gonna be waiting for a very long time.
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It seems so easy for right wingers to fabricate things – or just outright lie. Why?
Posted by: tierra | Dec 8, 2009 4:32:24 PM
More manufactured outrage from an Obama worshipper on the outside looking in and watching the dream go “poof.”
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
“These two articles might give you a little more insight into the Obama administrations actions.”
Always gives me a chuckle when right wingers call their manufactured outrages “insights”.
Posted by: Ryan C | Dec 8, 2009 2:56:03 PM
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It gives me a chuckle when the left wingers ignore the “manufactured outrages” when they have proof that the event happened or the person involved was REALLY involved. But that’s fine, you keep living in your little dream world. I’m not out to bash Obama at every turn, or any other liberal for that matter, but when things are going on that need to be put out there for the public to discern, and the MSM decides to bury it, that’s not journalism, that’s butt kissing. So, again, I will tell the folks here to read the two articles at (Andrew Brietbart website). One concerns the wording and agenda of the current health care bill, the other concerns Kevin Jones pushing his homosexual agenda at some public schools. Go ahead, read them and decide for yourself. I’m not pushing anyone one way or the other, I just want people to see something besides the blinding light of Obama and “his people”.
Posted by: Shoe | December 8, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
The Obama White House never takes responsibilty for anything. They always blame others. The ecomony is terrible so they blame Bush. The war in Afghanistan is a mess so they blame Rumsfeld. Obama’s poll numbers are low so they blame Gallup.
Posted by: James | December 8, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
The more he makes conservatives shriek, the more I like him– and I was just kinda neutral before.
Posted by: Gwen | Dec 8, 2009 4:45:18 PM
Makes sense. You probably raised your hand when the bell rang to remind the teacher to assign homework. You and your “ilk,” that is.
(I had a hamster named Gwen once. It spent the whole day using that little wheely thing. Never seemed to know when to give up, get off the wheel and join the “right-thinking” hamsters. Just kept running and getting nowhere. But I digress.)
Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 8, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
“but this similar poll numbers crap has just started cropping up since Obama’s numbers started nose-diving.”
Gee could that be because Obama’s poll ratings most closely resemble Reagan’s at this point in their terms?
See Reagan’s poll numbers nose dived his first term as well.
In fact so did Clinton’s but Clinton’s fall was much more dramatic (he was down to under 40% in June) and he recovered late in his first year before falling again in his 2nd.
There’s another reason both Clinton and Reagan are mentioned frequently with Obama beyond polling and economic conditions and is each man ran on a campaign of change.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
It isn’t surprising that Mr. Obama’s poll numbers are dropping-for all the talk of brilliance and competencenthe reality is easy to see-aside from spending money he hasn’t done much.What has happened has come from Pelosi and Reid; executive decisions seem to be coming from Gates and Bernanke-Bush holdovers.What is surprising is Gibbs childish response- he should know that this administration is all peception; if the Obama myth is held up to the disinfectant of sunlight(something that the press has avoided) it is easy to see that there is nothing there.
Posted by: Nephron | December 8, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Who hasn’t Gibbs and the White House insulted yet?
Posted by: Blago-Gate | December 8, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
“The generic congressional ballot of both Rasmussen and Gallup currently favors the GOP”
Gallup’s figure is a month old it should be updated this week.
Last 5 polls in RCP’s poll compilation
Rasmussen: GOP +4
Democracy Corp: Dem +2
CNN/Opinion Research: Dem +4
Gallup(1st week Nov): GOP +4
Pew(from late Oct): Dem +5
Rasmussen had the GOP up 6 or 7 pts for nearly all of Nov.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
“It seems so easy for right wingers to fabricate things – or just outright lie. Why?”
Because their perceived reality trumps the reality the rest of us actually experience.
Besides lying works. Their base is at the same time incredibly gullible AND too proud to admit they’ve been had.
They are the metaphoric pigeon to the GOP con artists.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
As his polls continue to decline, the question will arise “Who is this guy?” He was not properly vetted by the press. The press kept mum if the information was not favorable. The demand to see his original long-form birth certificate will be back and soon he will be force to release it. Why not now? What does he have to hide?
Posted by: Terry | December 8, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
They have just begun to tank.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 8, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
There are Gallup Polls and more polls. They change daily BUT they do tell you what people are thinking at that moment. Maybe it is time for Obama, Congress and yes the news media to listen to the People.
You work for us, “WE THE PEOPLE”
Posted by: Ed | December 8, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
“Mr. Gibbs, if you discount Gallup as a group of charlatans, which current survey do you feel best measures the President’s true ‘approval’ rating? Would it be Rasmussen? CNN/Opinion Research? Fox News/Opinion Dynamics? American Research Group? Pew Research? NBC News/Wall Street Journal? The New York Times/CBS News?
Take you time,Mr. Gibbs, take your time.”
Posted by: beeman | December 8, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Only an inexperienced, ideologically-driven hard-Left demagogue could take job approval ratings in the 70% range upon inauguration to under 50% in <11 months.
While it is true that Clinton's ratings were comparable to Obama's at this point, Clinton realized he needed to move towards the center and also had a majority-Republican Congress to balance power between the two parties. Obama will not move towards center (it's not in his nature) and Pelosi and Reid will not steer towards center either.
2010 midterms will be ugly.
Posted by: tjp612 | December 8, 2009, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
“Besides lying works. Their base is at the same time incredibly gullible AND too proud to admit they’ve been had.”
Hmmm…Sounds like Obama and his supporters to me….
Posted by: tjp612 | December 8, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
“The demand to see his original long-form birth certificate will be back and soon he will be force to release it”
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
“Hmmm…Sounds like Obama and his supporters to me…”
tjp parroting Beck “Of course not. At <10%, his Cabinet has less private-sector experience than any other Cabinet since 1900."
Politifact: "We'll acknowledge that rating someone's degree of private-sector experience is an inexact science, and it's true that Beck accurately relayed the information contained in Cembalest's chart. But at PolitiFact we hold people accountable for their own words. So we rate Beck's claim False."
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
“At least Dems in Congress actually DO something and attempt to solve problems rather than writing up magic pony job plans”
Posted by: Gwen | Dec 8, 2009 4:23:56 PM
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Are you talking about the $787 billion stimulus bill that has “created or saved” all those jobs leaving us at 10% unemployment? Wait, we’ve actually lost 3 million jobs since that was signed but Obama said it would CREATE 3 million jobs…so by my count, we are now 6 million jobs behind schedule. Or are you talking about the $410 billion porkulus bill stuffed full of all those earmarks Obama said he would not tolerate? Wait, maybe you are talking about the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill based on junk, discredited and manipulated “science” that will kill jobs, increase taxes, and reduce GDP? I know, it’s the $1.2 trillion government takeover of healthcare they’ve been working so hard on!
But I get you…as long as they are DOING something, anything…you are happy…nevermind if they are REPRESENTING anyone besides their own special interests.
No matter…I am patient and take a lot of comfort in the fact that some balance and sanity will be restored in November 2010.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
“Only an inexperienced, ideologically-driven hard-Left demagogue could take job approval ratings in the 70% range upon inauguration to under 50% in <11 months."
ROFLMAO!
As opposed to a ideologically hard right demogagogue who took his 60%+ approval (sympathy for an assasination attempt no less) rating to under 40% in <10 months.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Gibbs acts like a four year old….which makes him a perfect match in this WH…bunch of bratty children.
Posted by: mjishernameo | December 8, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
“2010 midterms will be ugly.”
Probably.
How many tea party candidates will result in Democrats being elected?
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
“The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.”
Still waiting for you to expound on the brilliant, private-sector experience of Obama’s Cabinet.
As expected, you avoided addressing the issue and instead reverted to cut-and-paste, knee-jerk response.
How about “Left-wingers always cut-and-paste and then cut-and-run” (?)
Posted by: tjp612 | December 8, 2009, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
“Without ARRA, the GDP would be negative and unemployment would be higher– plus there would be shortages of teachers and police officers and states would in even bigger trouble than they are.”
This is a myth. Besides, I thought Obama stated that ARRA would “save” (whatever that is) or create 4 million jobs, 80% (90%?) coming from the PRIVATE sector? Has that happened? Why all the talk about “firefighters, policemen, and teachers” when the overwhelming number of jobs created/”saved” were to come from private sector?
Posted by: tjp612 | December 8, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
“How many tea party candidates will result in Democrats being elected?”
Wishful thinking on your part, not going to happen.
Posted by: tjp612 | December 8, 2009, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
“Still waiting for you to expound on the brilliant, private-sector experience of Obama’s Cabinet.”
Chu in corp research
Salazaar as a franchisee
Geithner in finance.
Donovan in finance.
Tha of course does not include the private sector experience of Hillary, Locke & Vilsack as lawyers.
I do find it amusing that you are upset that I will copy paste (giving credit to the source) to debunk the lies you parrot.
I suppose next you will accuse me of spending too much time n the internet.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
“This is a myth”
So the CBO is lying?
Because that is what they are saying.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
“Wishful thinking on your part, not going to happen.”
If it only were wishful thinking, I would not be so excited.
You morons are gonna conduct a RINO hunt when you should be grabbing the best candidates you can in every single race because of the anti-incumbent feeling.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
The left wing extremists that post in here are nothing more than lying parrots that cannot beging to explain how any of their radical legislation is going to be paid for without driving us all further and further into suffocating debt. We cannot afford any of the outrageous spending programs these clowns continue to dream about.
Social Security and Medicare are nothing more than Ponzi schemes and should be phased out or paid for. But no…the current administration and congress prefers to ignore these unfunded multi-trillion entitlements while adding more of them.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Maybe Gibbs and anderson Cooper can come out of the closet together!! Ha Ha Ha!!!!
Posted by: Knot Jammin, Jr. | December 8, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
“Social Security and Medicare are nothing more than Ponzi schemes and should be phased out or paid for”
Michael Steele, are you listening?
Please make this message the focus of your campaign in 2010.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
“This was all over fact check sites including PolitiFact and Media Matters, as well as several newspapers and blog”
Even the guy who wrote an explanation that originally accompanied the chart being passed around the right wing echo chamber sans explanation is disavowing it.
He’s embarrassed at how the right wing has used his study which he deems highly subjective.
Who could blame him since he considers himself to be an honest researcher.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
My mistake.
Got any answers smart guy?
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Mr. Obama who has had the most favorable media treatment of any politician in recent times has an approval rating of 47 percent.
Ms. Palin who has had the worst bashing by the media of any politician in recent times has an approval rating of 46 percent.
Maybe the American people are not so stupid as the media thinks…
Posted by: Terry | December 8, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
This just in:
Obama administration predicts $30B loss on auto bailout.
So let me get this straight…the government bails out the auto industry unions to the tune of $82 billion and expects to be repaid $52 billion. With these types of returns and geniuses running out country, why would anyone trust them with government run healthcare?
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
“Got any answers smart guy?
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | Dec 8, 2009 6:33:44 PM”
They are two different solutions though the same problem.
With Social Security, in the short term I would seek either a modified payroll cap (in which taxes start again after a certain income level say $250K) or eliminate it altogether.
For Medicare, I would make the health insurance system a single payer one so Medicare would cease to exist.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
“Ms. Palin who has had the worst bashing by the media of any politician in recent times has an approval rating of 46 percent.”
That would be her favorable rating.
She doesn’t have a job approval rating because she quit her job.
“Maybe the American people are not so stupid as the media thinks…”
True but the right wingers obviously are if their media is telling them that favorable rating and job approval ratings are the same and they repeat it.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Ryan C – swapping Medicare for single payer, or turning 100% of the healthcare industry over to the government does not answer my question. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT? At a minimum, Medicare is a $36 trillion unfunded mandate…at a maximum, $80 trillion. You are basically turning one Ponzi scheme into another even LARGER one.
You could eliminate ALL the salary caps on the payroll tax now and forever and it still would not be enough to cover the long term Social Security deficit. This Ponzi scheme does not work either.
Do you even know what a Ponzi scheme is? What the government is doing with Social Security and Medicare makes Bernie Madoff look like a jaywalker.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
“Ryan C – swapping Medicare for single payer, or turning 100% of the healthcare industry over to the government does not answer my question.”
I would agree it does not answer your question because you do not understand it.
Single payer simply changes the pay mechanism from private insurance to the government.
Its how Medicare operates now.
Except this would be available to everyone.
The healthcare system from R&D to hospitals to doctors would remain largely the same as it is now.
“You could eliminate ALL the salary caps on the payroll tax now and forever and it still would not be enough to cover the long term Social Security deficit.”
Correct which is why I referred to as a short term (short term being for the next few decades) solution.
Long term we need fewer old people and much more young people.
The problem is how do you get there.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
“I knew a yellow lab puppy named Gwen”
Ya know the women who comment here can take care of themselves so I usually keep quiet when insults are thrown.
But you cross the line when you call a woman a dog.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
“Long term we need fewer old people and much more young people.
The problem is how do you get there.”
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Answer: Your single-payer, job-killing healthcare plan will get us there because everyone will die sooner with less money.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
“Answer: Your single-payer, job-killing healthcare plan will get us there because everyone will die sooner with less money.”
That must be why European countries with single payer enjoy longer life spans while spending less money on healthcare than we do.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Ryan C – I know you are smart enough to know that those life expectancies statistics and healthcare expenses you are throwing around from Europe are totally misleading. Please give everyone here a little more credit than citing statistics lifespan and infant mortality that are measured inconsistently across countries with varying degrees of ethnic diversity.
If you would prefer to have no choice in how much you pay or what type of healthcare you want, then just say so. But don’t come in here claiming that the healthcare you get in Europe is of superior quality and that they live longer because of it.
That is just another blatant, bald-face lie and you know it. But then again, it mirrors the tactics of this administration that knowingly lies to and misleads the public in order to advance the most radical left wing agenda in this nations history.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Speaking of polls
Media Matters”“The erroneous percentages Fox & Friends showed in its graphic added up to 120 percent (even without the 15 percent who responded that they weren’t sure).,” wrote Ari Rabin-Havt, Media Matters’ vice president of communications and research. “More importantly, Fox News’ presentation of the data made it seem as though 94 percent of Americans think it’s at least “somewhat likely” that climate scientists falsify their research data.”
FoxNews’s response to lying?
“But Lauren Petterson, executive producer of Fox & Friends, told POLITICO that she sees no error in the graphic. And for that reason, there will be no reprimand of staff under the “zero tolerance” policy.
“We were just talking about three interesting pieces of information from Rasmussen,” Petterson said. “We didn’t put on the screen that it added up to 100 percent.”
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
Geithner in finance-still couldn’t correctly figure out his Income Tax-assuming he wasn’t CHEATING!
Posted by: Nephron | December 8, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
“Ryan C – I know you are smart enough to know that those life expectancies statistics and healthcare expenses you are throwing around from Europe are totally misleading. Please give everyone here a little more credit than citing statistics lifespan and infant mortality that are measured inconsistently across countries with varying degrees of ethnic diversity.”
So minorities bring down our score so we should not count them?
Usually I would laugh but that just makes me angry.
But hey at least you did not claim that Americans are particularly violent resulting in more murders.
“If you would prefer to have no choice in how much you pay or what type of healthcare you want, then just say so.”
Do you have employer provided health insurance?
Do you have a choice beyond the plans offered?
Would you be offered compensation if you refused to accept that health insurance preferring to go without or buy it on your own?
But beyond that I’m curious about this non existent health insurance system you envision.
“But don’t come in here claiming that the healthcare you get in Europe is of superior quality and that they live longer because of it.”
I think there are several factors in why Europeans outlive us. One of them is their healthcare and the easy access to it.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Even “Messiah’s” don’t get reelected with a 10-20% unemployment rate… Have we ever seen this fall from grace before… Oh Yeah… H.W. Bush, what does each situation have in common, hmm???
Obama’s first term, is looking a whole hell of alot like H.W. Bush’s first.
Barack, Barack, Barack, haven’t you learned from history? It IS the Economy STUPID!!!
Posted by: jafo | December 8, 2009, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Even “Messiah’s” don’t get reelected with a 10-20% unemployment rate…
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Pretty sad when the right wing has to cheer for a high unemployment rate in order to have any hope of getting their Republicans elected.
Not a chance.
Posted by: tierra | December 8, 2009, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Liar.
So are you saying that America has the same ethnic diversity as Sweden? Are you also saying that African Americans, Asian Americans, Whites, and Latinos all have the same life expectancy in the U.S.?
You better re-check your numbers on that buddy.
Yes I do have employer provided health insurance and yes I do have a couple of choices, but I wish I had more. I could also choose to waive coverage and buy it on the open market for a lot more money if I chose, but no my employer would not subsidize me if I went that route, and neither should the government if I have a job.
Why can’t I buy insurance from another state to increase my options? Even if the insurance is not as good in the state I live in, but may cost less, why can’t I make that decision myself without some bureaucrat making it for me?
You have said in the past that if we were allowed to buy insurance across state lines (like I can buy other types of insurance) all the insurance companies would go to the states with the cheapest costs and then cut services, but this shows your fundamental lack of understanding and ignorance of how markets work. If there is a demand for something, the market will supply it if a profit can be made – barring government regulation prohibiting it. Right now, the health insurance market is anything BUT a free market. Open markets, and costs will come down. That is ECON 101…I suggest you take that class sometime because I am getting tired of teaching it to you and giving you F’s.
The government has already proven it cannot run healthcare as evidenced by Medicare being totally insolvent and financed primarily by the premiums paid by the 85% of the population that currently has private insurance.
You are dead wrong and you know it but your radical left wing ideology continues to guide you.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | December 8, 2009, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
“Right now, the health insurance market is anything BUT a free market”
And the insurance companies like it that way.
So does the GOP.
Posted by: Ryan c | December 8, 2009, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
“So are you saying that America has the same ethnic diversity as Sweden? Are you also saying that African Americans, Asian Americans, Whites, and Latinos all have the same life expectancy in the U.S.?”
No, I am saying your blaming our heterogeneous society and minorities in particular for our lower life expectancy is disgusting.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 8, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
How to save money for medicare? Here is the logical extension of the Democrats’ drive for “Social Justice.”
Simply stated, no government financed medical care for those exceed normal life expectancy.
For example, if you are older than 77 years old, no government financed medical coverage for you (i.e. Medicare)(except for “pain pills”).
Most of the money is spent during the final two years of life, so this policy will save a lot. The savings could be spent on children of impoverished Americans and illegal aliens, thereby achieving “Social Justice.”
Basically, if you are over the age of 77, it is your patriotic duty to die.
Posted by: Terry | December 8, 2009, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
I blame BUSH for bringing us the war.
I blame Obama for the $ Trillion deficit.
THEY ARE EQUALLY BAD. BAD. BAD.
We were/are stupid to elect both of them.
Posted by: talk from sf | December 8, 2009, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
This not only is a smack to Gallup, but also to American voters. That’s whose opinion they represent.
Posted by: djaymick | December 8, 2009, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
For example, if you are older than 77 years old, no government financed medical coverage for you (i.e. Medicare)(except for “pain pills”).
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Exactly the kind of paranoid, fear mongering the Anti-Defamation League pointed to in their recent report.
Posted by: tierra | December 9, 2009, 12:51 am 12:51 am
HE IS THIN SKIN, CAN NOT TOLERATE ANY CRITISISM. THE PEOPLE WHO conducted the polls which were not favarable of him will be the next target to attack after FOX.
I hope this will not happen.
Posted by: talk from sf | December 9, 2009, 1:41 am 1:41 am
Even “Messiah’s” don’t get reelected with a 10-20% unemployment rate…
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Pretty sad when the right wing has to cheer for a high unemployment rate in order to have any hope of getting their Republicans elected.
Not a chance.
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Pretty sad the left wing cheered for body bags the last 8 years so they could get elected.
Party cheerleaders are pathetic losers and are solely responsible for the current situation.
Posted by: mephisto | December 9, 2009, 6:22 am 6:22 am
Its the JOBS, stupid
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | December 9, 2009, 7:55 am 7:55 am
At the beginning of this President’s term there was a young conservative that used to contribute to this blog with some regularity. I liked her.
One day in the middle of a debate about Stimulus/the Democratic vision for this country, our economy or something she said “dare I say it?” To which I responded “absolutely.” She then said “The Emperor has no clothes.”
At the time the President was on the upstroke of his popularity – he was new in office and was considered to be a kind of rock star. Critics from the right were considered useless, out of step with the world, old news, wrong. I even remember posters on this blog envisioning the end to conservationism and has visions of the funeral for the Republican Party. her voice – all our voices were muted because of the wave of the President’s popularity.
She said it then – and it looks like the world is seeing it now.
“The emperor has no clothes.”
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | December 9, 2009, 8:14 am 8:14 am
Hope and Change = Bait and Switch
Posted by: Terry | December 9, 2009, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Is Gibbs the best that this administration can do to enunciate its policies? While I know this would be a mean task for any citizen with any degree of understanding of what is…and what isn’t…happening down in lalaland….Washington, that is…Gibbs serves as a personification of what the Obama administration is all about….totally lightweight. I can hardly wait for the next presidential election. This country HAS GOT TO GET GOING.
Posted by: justj joey | December 9, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Let’s try to keep our eye on the ball here, Cara.
I think you miss the point – in fact, based on what you retorted, there is no thinking about it – you flat out don’t get it.
First, she didn’t copy some lame Liberal characterization of Palin – at best, that connection is a stretch and, frankly, alludes to the whole wardrobe controversy that emerged late in the campaign. So – umm – tyou missed that altogether.
Second, her proclamation back at the beginning of the year was a whisper of what appears to be what the poll numbers are reflecting today.
And, finally, you may think that the liberals hit a bull eye with the Palin characterization but that discussion is in another universe – let’s try to keep our eye on the ball here. The discussion is about the President’s approval rating and turns out to be from Gallup.
But feel free to ramble on about some personal characterization about Palin in this context – it gives me something to laugh about.
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | December 9, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
“Pretty sad the left wing cheered for body bags the last 8 years so they could get elected.”
Speaking of which I see the right wingers stopped posting about Afghanistan casualties and how much they are pained by them
Guess I was very right when I called that a cynical and disgusting ploy.
Posted by: Ryan C | December 9, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
I think you do. I made the point I wanted to. LOL.
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That’s good – bring up an entirely subject and try to find some imaginary way to connect the dots.
I like it.
Plus it keeps you from having to actually make a point which has to be a genuine relief.
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | December 9, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Mike, who was “cheering”?
Posted by: Really? | December 10, 2009, 12:23 am 12:23 am