Gibbs Passes On One Last Chance to Make Health Care Negotiations Transparent

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That’s a rhetorical question right Jake?
Of course this is not a transparent process, otherwise they couldn’t have pushed this crap sandwich this far.
I’m a Cspan junkie and haven’t seen one open debate on this health care bill.
When Americans balk, we’re labeled domestic terrorists…
Unfortunately, most Americans are too preoccupied to notice that thuggery is going on…

Absolutely not, Obama is not upholding his pledge of transparency. His entire administration is narcissitic. They play the game of semantics that ex-spouses and errant teenagers play. It really is infuriating to say the least. His desire is to be a historic president and he will be, a historic failure.

Thank you for asking this administration some real questions .

Obama and Gibbs are both cut from the same cloth of blatant and consistent dishonesty.
Another day, more lies, more hypocrisy.

Another day, more lies
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Please identify the ‘lies’ in the above piece . ..

Jake, thanks for asking what we the people are asking….when are YOU going to run for Congress??? As for Gibbs, the White House mouthpiece, let me just say, he’s no Tony Snow!

If someone does not know what is going on and who is doing what they are either not paying attention or are stupid. The entire HCR process has been totally open. You might argue that some things were initiated behind closed doors, but as soon as the doors were open it was full knowledge. Please name one thing that has occurred that was totally hidden from the American people and that you did not know about within hours.
I would say there has been pretty much total openness, and anyone who says differently has not watched CSPAN, or the news. To deny this is to ignore the facts.

obamacrat for Palin … “You Lie”
No one in their right mind could be for Palin ROFL…much less a used-to-be-Democrat… Someone would have had to have a frontal lobotomy to make that big a jump. As I repeatedly have said Conservatives do not know how to not lie.

Is Obama upholding his promise of transparency? No – but why would he start now? He hasn’t from the beginning.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 27, 2009 4:44:21 PM
“Please name one thing that has occurred that was totally hidden from the American people and that you did not know about within hours.”
Rob, I’ll name 3 for starters:
1. Ben Nelson’s bribe from Harry Reid to
secure 60 votes.
2. Infamous “Louisiana bribe” by Harry Reid.
3. Chris Dodd “100 Million Hospital”.
Need more milk Robbie?

Truthcrusader…
The fact that you just posted those remarks prove you know about them. So, what was hidden? I knew about that practically before the doors were open because I pay attention and can comprehend.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 27, 2009 4:47:37 PM
“I would say there has been pretty much total openness, and anyone who says differently has not watched CSPAN, or the news. To deny this is to ignore the facts.”
Car Dealers love it when Robbie shows up on their lots. Easy Sell that impressionable lad.
Name one single Stimulus or Healthcare Vote that has been drafted in total Transparency Lad.

Isaiah 5:20 “Woe unto you that call evil good and good evil.”
God is against insurance, “surety.” Insurance is based on fear, not faith; it is the devil’s territory. “By faith are you saved.” (Saved from a trap and the bondage and disease it creates.) If you fear losing your health, (house, boat, car, child etc) you insure them. You have to deny God’s power and His promises including “by Christ’s stripes, you are healed” to accept insurance.
Insurance is counter productive. One of God’s laws is, “That which you fear shall come upon you.” Also, “That which you sow, you shall reap.” It requires that you receive (reap) a sickness etc. for which the insurance will pay. We cannot solve the health problem using what God hates.
God warned against debt, interest, insurance, seeking riches and honors, pride and vanity. Our whole national system and most of the world is anti-God; anti-God is evil. Only terror and 4 x 7 curses are pronounced by God against the nation that rejects His commandments and wisdom. UNTIL we turn to Him in truth. (Leviticus 26)
God’s way is freedom; the devil’s territory is force, oppression and compulsion. Compelling people to buy insurance works against God’s law. It forces people to help others and makes enemies instead of close friends. It adds extra costs. It creates a way for major corruptions and bribery. It also pays huge salaries etc for administration costs for those who scramble papers around and decide who gets how much. It pays profits to investors. It brings confusion and hatred for the government like the IRS program. That is not helping the poor; that is using the poor. Health Insurance and other insurance is evil. It denies that God is our source and our protection.
HEALTH CARE REFORM conforms to: “Psycho-Politics-Address on
Health Care and Control.” by LP Beria at Lenin University
(Says only Faith Healing through the Bible can stop
control of the people through health care.) AND
HEALTH CARE REFORM also conforms to “45 Communist Goals For the
Take Over of America.” (control of courts, media, education, medical fields.)
See both at
Marie Devine
God has solutions to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.

Anyone who thinks this process is the way laws were meant to be passed is clearly lost and beyond correcting. A certain sense of honour and integrity is required necessarily to be involved in such matters of public policy. A fact that is now completely lost in Washington D.C.. Transparency? You have got to be kidding!! Unfortunately our mainstream media has no teeth, for a candidate for President to make such a simple promise, “CSpan cameras in the room so you can see who is fighting for you” and to completely lie about something as important as this and get away with it, completely unscathed. ON FILM, PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID THIS!! No big deal I guess, I most likely just don’t understand what the meaning of the word is, is. No effect on the future integrity of Presidents, usually sleeping with an intern will probably lower most people’s expecations, huh.
Oh well, hope and change?????

People have no idea what a transparent government would look like – after the secret conivings of the last administration. They know so little about what was kept secret in the last administration, it’s hard to recognize the changes that have been made.
You only need to think one word to understand the changes that have been made in terms of more open government . ..
That one word is . . .
Cheney

Jake–
BEST show ever. Nalipatano looked ridiculous explaining why we missed Abdul–Gibbs was nailed on transparency–McConnell could not explain his free spending.
As a President supporting, right leaning atty–never saw better .

Jake: I’d love for you to be the moderator every week on “This Week” You really nail both sides with fearless pertinent questions.

Gibbs is a freakin’ liar. His boss is a freakin’ liar.
I hate the Democrats and everything they stand for.

Sorry moderate, I disagree . . .
This is the first time the public has been able to follow and be involved in ANY legislation to this degree.

The only thing that is increasingly transparent is that this President talks in platitudes and then, when he has a perfect opportunity to deliver a morsel he acts like he never really said it. Even guys I know that are sympathetic with the President are starting to view him as a talking head.
It is to the point that even he cannot defend his record on transparency and bi partisanship. he even told us at one point “he was going to make government cool again.” (of course, this “again” part is debatable) He is so inclined to mislead, redirect and misrepresent that the whole process is repugnant.

moderate . ..
This is the first time the public has been able to follow and be involved in ANY legislation to this degree.
If you can find examples that disprove this, present them.
You may dismiss input from the AMA, nurses association, seniors associations, mayors, hospitals, the Mayo clinic, native organisations, veterans organisations – the list goes on and on. There have been so many organisations that have had input into this legislation.

I think Politifact got it right. I was disappointed by the lack of transparency when it came to the initial wheeling and dealing with Big Pharma and others. BUT I also think that during the campaign Obama was distinguishing the process from the way Hillarycare went down– and this process was more out in the open, without living up to the campaign promises. There were town halls, debates, bills online– plenty of time to weigh in and digest. So it wasn’t quite the total lack of transparency that some are claiming– but there weren’t negotiations on CSPAN.
We can keep pushing for more transparency. I think President Obama will continue to move incrementally toward a more ideal situation in that regard.
I’m not nearly as disappointed with this “broken promise” as I was when Bush did a full 180 on his promises related to the environment and climate change. His efforts to evade responsibility included greatly exaggerating obstacles, denying or twisting the science and promising magic bullets where there were none.

That one word is . . .
Cheney
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I knew that Bush & Company was going to end up as the culprit here. LOL – it was just a matter of time.
Let’s check that campaign promise checklist and see if Bush & Cheney ever made a promise of transparency. Oh yeah – he didn’t. Then again, it is Bush and Cheney that are liars, not Obama and Biden.
So when it is all said and done does the Obama administration ever get tagged as liars? Even Bill Ayers said that the forecast to be out of Afghanistan in 18 months is a lie. Does that make Obama a liar? What about the Stimulus plan? The President told us that this would save and create jobs and we needed to pass it right away (to the point that he didn’t permit anyone to read it before it was signed). It hasn’t delivered. Is that a lie? His promise for bi partisanship? Transparency? Gitmo? Or maybe his promise to go through the budget line by line and assess every single earmark to assess their effectiveness and productivity. he hasn’t done that – not once. Does that make him a liar? Or what about when he got up in front of God and everybody last week and talked about fiscal restraint and prudence. Turns out he has spent more money than any other President – ever. Does that speech make him a liar? And, the promise that he was going to bring “change” in the way Washington does business – fact is, it is more of the same on steroids. Does that make him a liar?
This whole business of Obama being a politician and “they all lie” is nonsense. If a man tells you he is going to do something and he doesn’t do it then, fact is, he either owes an explanation (that we buy) or he lied. He is doing and not doing things he promised and he is not offering any kind of explanation or excuse – he just acts like he never said it; he has lied. Do enough of that and pretty soon you get tagged a liar.
If I voice this concern the next thing you know tingle-up-the-leg Mathews is questioning whether my friends and I are racists.

Then again, it is Bush and Cheney that are liars, not Obama and Biden.
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Well, Bush and Cheney probably were liars, but that wasn’t my point.
My point was if you want to see standards set for lack of transparency, you would be looking at the Bush administration. It’s my assessment the Obama administration is a vast improvement.
Do you remember the press secretaries for Bush? They would robotically repeat the same phrases regardless of what they were asked.

… it is Bush and Cheney that are liars, not Obama and Biden…. Posted by: Lone Star Rules | Dec 27, 2009 10:44:39 PM
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Sometime check out David Corn’s top ten Bush lies from 2003 (I’m a uniter, not a divider; This allows us to explore the promise and potential of stem cell research;My plan unlocks the door to the middle class of millions of hard-working Americans)- that is before the second campaign and second term, and focuses mostly on the the 2000 campaign and the first couple years in office, or read David Corn’s book, which has a lot more.
Ultimately, its pretty clear Bush-Cheney misrepresented intelligence data– some would say brazenly and purposefully– and relied on dishonest arguments to whip up support for war with Iraq. They also made numerous false statements about the provisions and effects of his super-sized tax cuts.
Then there’s Karl Rove and Bush’s Interior Department. Whoo boy!
I don’t think Obama, Biden and Axelrod come close to being in the previous administration’s category.
I don’t think its fair to tag all of Bush’s alleged lies as lies– but its bizarre to watch people defend Bush and call out Obama, when he hasn’t even completed one year yet, and he’s trying to put us on a better path than we’ve been on.

You’re in good hands because somebody has finally figured out a way to force thirt million Americans to buy health insurance or pay a fine.

Dave: Thank you, very well put. I do believe Rob is in dire need of attention, from a girl.

“…There were town halls, debates, bills online– plenty of time to weigh in and digest. So it wasn’t quite the total lack of transparency that some are claiming..”
The only reason there were townhalls and debates is because the Republicans managed to keep Pelosi from forcing a vote on the thing before August. Then in August the teapartiers filled the townhalls and asked their representatives if they had read the bill, and a lot of them hadnt. There was not transparency because Obama wanted it, we got transparency because millions of ordinary Americans loudly demanded it.
A Congress which forces to vote on 2000 page bills without giving anyone a chance to read them first is not being transparent.

A Congress which forces to vote on 2000 page bills without giving anyone a chance to read them first is not being transparent.
Posted by: Yehudit
of course the vote was to bring the bill up for more discussion as to what aspects of the senate and house versions might make it into a final bill to be voted on, so you’re wrong.. no law has been enacted, only further consideration..doesn’t matter if it had a million pages, ..

Sarah has more hands on experience
Posted by: TruthCrusader
she is the poster child for the ‘peter principal’,
‘I must chuckle’ every time she posts more inanity from her facebook page, denies science, bails on her supporters, states that her quitting the Govs was a result of her detractors, takes on those dastardly late night hosts, she is the perfect american fraud/huckster .. do you really want to get into things that she has said that are such nonsense it makes republicans and conservatives run away from her

Sure XX, I can’t sleep. Let’s match Obama & Palin lies and see who has more of them as well as the severity of each.

Tierra, thank you. I am impressed with your reply. What time is it where you are?
Peace

Well they dont want us to see a bunch of criminals giving each other millions and millions of our tax dollars to each other, or for us to see that this entire bill is constucted for the insurance companies that gave so much for their elections.

The other thing is that once they are Bush haters they hate everything about him – remember Bush is evil and stupid.
Here is a case in point on this emotional issue with Bush.
Here is tierra on the issue of Obama versus Bush as speakers.
“{Watch his interviews with journalists, town hall responses or speeches with paper script. He’s so far beyond the last guy there is no comparison.”
There is no doubt that tierra hates Bush and not a little bit. We have all heard it many times. It is just interesting that when supporters of Obama are confronted on his failings they invariably default to Bush s*cks and the world is a better place now that he is out of office (because he lies).
So did Obama win or did Bush lose the last election?
In the next election who will Obama run against? himself? It should be interesting to hear him say “and the failed policies of my earlier administration…” (just kidding, tierra)

Jake, you must be laughing at these comments. I sure am.

Obama lied Jake – get used to it. Surely you knew he was a leftist to whom truth is but an occasional choice of weapons of deception?
Gibbs doesn’t cause, nor can he change anything. He’s a robotic mouthpiece for the great ruling class (whoever they are)
Had your fellow professionals done their constitutionally protected mission, America would not be in the serious trouble that it is in now.

It doesn’t matter if this administration is transparent or not. It doesn’t matter if they are corrupt or not. It doesn’t matter if they lie or not. All that matters to anyone is that Bush lied. Bush ruined everything. (extreme sarcasm here). Blah, blah, blah.

I oove the ignorant libs truther who says thath Sarah Plain “denies science.” Well the sCIENTIFIC DATA STATES THAT GLOBAL TEMPS HAVE GONE DOWN OR 10 YEARS IN A ROW! just proof of how religious libs have become. G Warming is based upon sunspot activity as the rest of the solar system as also warmed

Bush isn’t president anymore, for crying out loud, get over it already!
The endless obsession with Bush looks like some type of mental illness – seriously. I can see why the right has nicknamed it Bush Derangement Syndrome. Newsflash – wake up from your coma – Bush has been gone from office for almost a year now and isn’t President anymore
This is all Obama’s baby now – this is now Obama’s economy. It’s now Obama’s war in Afghanistan and Iraq. It’s now Obama’s foreign policies (or lack thereof) that shape our stance in the world. It’s obvious he’s in way over his head and he behaves like a thug in the way he’s treated allies and enemies.
I never thought I’d say this but if a Democrat were to have won I wish it had’ve been Hillary rather than O’Bamboozle.

This is all Obama’s baby now – this is now Obama’s economy.
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It’s Obama’s job to wrestle with the severely damaged economy he found when he took office – but he most certainly didn’t create it regardless of how much the Republicans and the right wing would like to write George Bush out of the recent economic history.

Hell to the NO. When is Gibbs going to scrape up the filaments of integrity he may find sticking to his shoes and leave this position of chief book licker for Obama? Seriously, I see a Scott McClellan-like tome in his future.

All I know is that we were far better off in six years of Republican rule than we have been in the last 3 years of Democrat rule. I sincerely hope that the American voter can now see why Democrats should never be put in charge of anything. The lying, deception, lack of transparency and defiance of the will of the governed is shocking.

Jake, why didn’t you ask Gibbs where the ‘transparency’ was on December 17, when Obama gave INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) the authority to OVER-RIDE our Constitution’s 4th Amendment Right against Unlawful Search and Seizure and the Freedom of Information Act?

Of course Obama lied about transparency, as he lied about many, many things he focused on in his campaign (if you remember he had a commercial saying that government-run healthcare was an extreme position that he did not hold!). He has lied about tax cuts, about lobbyists, about pretty much everything including creating the “most transparent” administration in history. I’m not 100% sure if these “promises” were made with the intent to break them or if he’s just so naive and inexperienced that he actually thought no one would pay attention or care.

Everyone needs to face it, we have a president that is a flat out LIAR. He said whatever people wanted to hear to get elected so he could make a push to socialism. This is the most corrupt administration and congress EVER. Everytime Gibbs talks he looks like a moron. The votes were televised? I am embarrassed to be an American with Reid, Pelosi, Obama and the jam it thru without reading it BS. Here is hoping Mass. smartens up and elects a Repub on 1/19, or if it comes to it one or two Senators aren’t around to cast a vote. I would ask for one of the lefties to come to their senses and do what us Americans want, but having a Senator drop is more likely.