Obama Calls Global Warming Agreement an “Unprecedented Breakthrough”

They agreed to agree to another meeting.What a charade by this collection of morons.

“Mr. Obama will depart the conference earlier than the rest of the leaders due to the massive winter storm headed for Washington, D.C. But, Mr. Obama said that he’s confident with the status of agreement and can leave before an official vote.”
You just can’t make this stuff up folks.

Another massive waste of time from our “comedian in chief” How big was the carbon footprint of this entourage of fools. I’ll bet the scientists won’t put that data out there.

So from your experience of getting people who hate each to agree, gk, what would you have done differently? Or are you just talking from ignorance as I suspect are the majority of commenters on this page?

Very interesting Denbo, what are your thoughts on the matter?

Remember after the Internet bubble burst just as Clinton was taking office?
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Huh?

The climate deal is in the mail..

Humanity versus Global Governance : 10 – 1
A day to celebrate, failure of the socialists agenda of world dominance by non-democratic means.
After fighting all this AGW fraud, we need to start showing that she world as we know it is not going to end tomorrow, far from it!
We have coal for another 1000 years on this planet, and it can be turned into clean burning synfuel at <$60/bbl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel
There you have all the fuel we need, for cars, airplanes etc, at a fixed price of <$60/bbl forever (=1000 years)!
So, why don't we do that? You have all been distracted by this AGW scare, refineries are going up all over the world and will slowly take up the demand as our oil resources shrink.
Life is good after all!
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By the way, I completely support real scientists (read non-climatologists) figuring out what, if any, influence CO2 will have on the climate. If they come back with temperature data we can believe in and models that work (with predictive power), then I will be all ears.
But show me climategate emails, primitive models and corrupted data, and I just want to send someone to prison!
And after you come back with some real science, I, the people, will decide the appropriate response, not you, the scientists. Once you given your input, no more power to you, off stage to the left.
Believe me that the worlds response will NOT be a cap&trade program working as a money making machine for World Governance with a welfare program for the 3rd world kleptocrats!
We may just enjoy the warmer climate, which will probably still not be any warmer than the MWP.
Or, we may throw a little SO2 into the atmosphere to cool things down, big deal.

Obama is good at snubbing people.. when he got snubbed, it ripped thru him like a bandsaw….he was furious, on NBC he was almost incoherent….The guy has been brought down a peg or two now…He’s not as important as he thinks he is.. that why all he got was a “non_binding” agreement…it means nothing but a headline in a left wing media

ABC you have hit an all time low..
This was nothing… just a revamp of old talk and nothing new was even agreed to.
Obama did squat at this meeting, just like the rest of the so called “Leaders of the world”.
What a joke he is and now all of the world is writing about it…
Only ABC news is dumb enough to make it sound like he actually did somthing.

Lawmakers are legislating the behavior of “Mother Nature?” Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids.

Let me be clear.
The time for talk is over.
The Cambridge Police acted stupidly.
Oops… scratch that last one.

“No, legislating pollution by the (rapidly expanding) human race.”
CO2 isn’t a pollutant, genius. It’s PLANT FOOD.

“The President noted that the countries came to the Copenhagen climate change conference with an “ambitious target” to reduce emissions – reaffirming the three components he called for in his speech before leaders earlier today: transparency, mitigation and finance.”
The three components….
China agreed to be as transparent as the Democrats with the health insurance bill.
The WH worked overtime to mitigate expectations.
The evil capitalist countries agreed to finance the capitalist-bashing countries since it turns out that only the capitalist countries have any money.

“it turns out that only the capitalist countries have any money.”
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Oh yeah?

OBAMA: “We agreed to set a mitigation target to limit warming to no more than 2 degree Celsius, and importantly to take action to meet this objective consistent with science.”
Now that’s a real laugh! We humans can’t change today’s temperatures, so what makes us think we can control climate change. Climate change happens! And we can’t prevent it! Climate changed BEFORE man, and climate will change AFTER man.

“it turns out that only the capitalist countries have any money.”
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Oh yeah?
Posted by: tierra |
I’ll restate.
it turns out that only the capitalist countries are stupid enough to spend money they don’t have on this nonsense.
There. Fixed it.

There. Fixed it.
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You fixed nothing . . . it’s still grossly damaged from what happened under George Bush’s watch . .. he sold us to the Chinese.

As he did . . . you ever read any of the news stories posted on this blog?
Posted by: tierra |
You mean where he crashed the meeting he wasn’t invited to?

Obama Calls Global Warming Agreement an “Unprecedented Breakthrough”
Mr. Obama gets stranger by the hour…

it’s still grossly damaged from what happened under George Bush’s watch . .. he sold us to the Chinese.
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Oh yeah? How much did he get for us?

Yes, I mean the meeting he made happened where the negotiations finally took place and the deal finally got struck.
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The Chinese treated our president like Chucky Schumer treats flight attendants and it pisses me off.
The “unprecedented breakthrough” was POTUS shoving his way into the meeting uninvited. What you call a deal was actually a “non-binding political accord” according to this blog.

The “unprecedented breakthrough” was POTUS shoving his way into the meeting uninvited. What you call a deal was actually a “non-binding political accord” according to this blog.
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That’s right, as you remember because you’ve been following this so closely over the past days – there was NO agreement shaping up until President Obama made his presence felt.

All he got for us was DEBT to China . ..
Posted by: tierra |
That describes Obama’s deal for GM and Chrysler.

And we can’t prevent it! Climate changed BEFORE man, and climate will change AFTER man.Posted by: James Danley |
Oh. wow.
Tierra was right to mention ocean acidity.
I’ve found it’s not a very useful time to argue with those who are ardent skeptics with some other entrenched interest, or flat-out deniers. On another thread I mentioned George Monbiot’s theory that the science is just too scary and uncomfortable for some people, and that seems to fit in a wide range of circumstances. In many ways, its easier to deny.
Regardless, leading on alternate energy and green initiatives is important in many ways even if you totally leave out the dangers that come with global warming, which some view as “fearmongering.” So, leave that out and think about this: Besides being good for our economy, the environment and our ongoing prospects as the world’s leading nation, investing in green initiatives, renewable energy and sustainable lifestyles while cutting fossil fuel emissions is necessary for public health (just ask the people who are get cancer from drinking tainted water downstream from coal mines, or the kids who get asthma from living near coal-burning power stations) and national security (as an aside, even the US Army now believes that the geopolitical instability brought about by climate change will be one of the biggest threats to our security in the future, and then there’s our dependence on foreign oil). Moreover, as far as I know (though deniers never cease to amaze me), most climate skeptics and even the most ardent deniers acknowledge finite resources such as oil and other fossil fuels won’t last forever, right?
Therefore, whether conservative Americans believe in global warming or not shouldn’t be a major consideration here. Why? Because most of those same American conservatives claim to believe strongly in business and self-determination—and no matter what they may believe, the rest of the world has embraced climate change science and/or the other benefits to be gained from renewable energy and changing over to more sustainable lifestyles including how we do business. This has opened up a global market for green technologies and renewable energy—a market looking for leaders. We can join the race and win it, or we can lose out. Losing has never struck me as the American way.

The “unprecedented breakthrough” was POTUS shoving his way into the meeting uninvited. What you call a deal was actually a “non-binding political accord” according to this blog.
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Actually, Andrew Light of the Center of American Progress frames it in a way that may help you understand the “breakthrough” part–
“[I]f successful, this interim agreement represents a fundamental game changer in how the world looks at ending carbon pollution. This was not an agreement forged among our closest allies in the developed world; it was forged among a group of developing nations [China, Brazil, South Africa, and India] that had met prior to the meeting to declare that they would never move beyond one of the core guiding assumptions of the Kyoto Protocol: that the world is divided between developed and developing countries and that only the former are required to take steps to curb their carbon emissions and be held accountable for those reductions.
… to those who will decry this agreement as a poor start I can only say this: it is a start and our job now is to go through the door that has been left wide open to turn it into a new binding agreement by the time this meeting convenes again in Mexico City.”

Poverty, overfishing oceans, nuclear & insolvent bandid states can be dealt in the same way. Majority of world leaders believe in taking responsiblity. Thats new and the rest will follow or can be forced upon on a day that that will come.

What you will lose is your Individual Freedom, Self Determination and a chance of achieving the American Dream.
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Nonsense James – sounds like more paranoid, fear mongering from the right wing as identified in the recent Anti-Defamation League report.
The ultimate goal is to take responsibility for the damage we are doing – we’re such clever creatures, but we need to adjust every now and then. And especially now, when the worlds population is escaling into very large numbers of people.
We have a choice of doing our best, or pretending we’re just ignorant apes and it’s all SOMEBODY else’s responsibility.
Most of the naysayers are dinosaurs trapped in OLD, fundamentalist middle eastern religious belief systems (Islam, Judaism, Christianity), anti-science, bigoted and so on . .. .
I think your paranoia about the Democrats is seriously misplaced.

Posted by: James Danley | Dec 19, 2009 1:40:26 AM
Do a news search for “Acid oceans: the ‘evil twin’ of climate change”.
It will give you some of the scientific assessment of the increasing ocean acidity.

Unprecedented. Well, that describes Obama pretty well. He loves that word, narcissist that he is.
But the whole thing is spin to cover-up just another big time failure, nothing accomplished. Which, actually, is just as well since the whole thing is just a hoax & a scam anyway.
The Chinese had the right approach, they’re a lot smarter than the looney-leftists & they left Obama looking like the fool he is.

Thank goodness for another failure by Obama.
This CO2 based global warming is all a scam.

Tierra.
You ask me how I know. Well, for one, I actually READ scientific studies & always keep a degree of scepticism, which is what science is all about. Second, the evidence in inconclusive & especially weak in establishing a link between climate change & human activity. Many studies conclude that the sun’s activity is of far greater importance. Third, there is little evidence that CO2 concentrations are particularly important re: warming – CO2 concentrations have varied over the millenia & this did not always correlate with increased temperatures.
Shall I go on?
However, what is even more disturbing is the fact that so much falsifying of data took place, something which you would know about if you bothered to research your opinions.
I would also add that it is apparent that Leftists have hijacked this debate as a pretext for a very different agenda, in other words RED became GREEN.
This is a scheme, a scam, a hoax.

How ironic, that on the 70th anniversary of “The Wizard of Oz”, we should be reminded to pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

Follow the money….follow Maurice Strong.

More pomposity from the Unprecedented One. I think ‘The World’ may actually openly welcome a new president in 2013 after 4 years of this self-serving blowhard.

“Do a news search for ‘Acid oceans: the ‘evil twin’ of climate change.’”
John Heilprin’s article fails to even mention undersea volcanic activity. I would imagine that the “pollutants” emitted from undersea volcanic activity are much more concentrated than those that the oceans absorb from the greenhouse gases that are in the atmosphere. There are hundreds of undersea volcanoes. One might expect that when there is a rise in land volcanic activity there would likewise be a rise in undersea volcanic activity. The Hawaiian volcano, Kilauea, has been in a nearly constant eruption since January 1983. Frequently the lava flows into the ocean.
So doing an in-depth study of oceanic acidity and not taking into account undersea volcanic activity would be tantamount to doing an in-depth study of the game of baseball and not even covering the effects the pitcher has on the game.

“‘…but survival depends on accepting we live within limits.’”
Do those limits include abolishing Capitalism and the Free Market? Are limitations placed on Individual Freedom and Self Determination? Do those limits include a massive wealth redistribution program and possibly placing caps on income?

He may not have accomplished what you thought he would but there was nothing achieved before he stepped in and this little bit is better than nothing. The heads of state came back to talk to him which shows how much respect they have for him as they were already at the airports. This deal is better than no deal and as he said the koyota deal was binding and some contries paid no attention to it. This is a start which is better than nothing. I think it is time to finally give him some credit for a change instead of finding the negative in everything he does.

The heads of state came back to talk to him which shows how much respect they have for him as they were already at the airports.
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That’s pretty fast turnaround for the revisionist history. Yesterday, on this blog, the facts were just the opposite.
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At about 730 pm Denmark time – the president was supposed to have left an hour before — he learned that Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, with whom he was supposed to meet, was meeting with the leaders of India, South Africa, and Brazil – the main players holding up any sort of political agreement.
The president heard about this and said he wanted to go to the meeting.
“Four against one,” an official said to the president.
“No problem,” he replied.
A senior administration official says the president “barged into the meeting,” where he joined China’s Wen, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Brazil’s President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma.
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“Unprecedented Breakthrough”………..What’s unprecedented is that anyone is buying this hoax.

Framing your argument in these terms plays right in to the hands of those who think that AGW alarmism is a political more than a scientific movement.
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To keep it simple, I disagree. I think it shows that I and others think blanket denialism is politically motivated, rather than based on science. I don’t put all skepticism in the same bucket. I think some is poltically motivated, and some is based on questions with the science and the computer models.

The “one” is an “Unprecedented fool”.
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Hilarious that the smear campaign against the President is lame enough to attack based on one word (‘unprecedented’).
Shows just how shallow and lame the attackers and their agenda really are.

What a load of crap. There is plenty of oil, plenty of water, plenty of food on land and in the ocean. What we have too many of are people. The first to go are all the politicians. Has no one heard of birth control?? Any population, be it bacteria, roaches, rats, or deer if overpopulating its environment will eventually self destruct and die. It will happen to people too.

“I think it shows that I and others think blanket denialism is politically motivated, rather than based on science.”
Actually it is the global warming/climate change activists who are IGNORING science. Specifically the science which shows that the Earth has undergone extreme changes in climate for millions of years–and long before the estimated existence of the human race. So to now all of a sudden blame the climate changes of the past few decades on man is not only ridiculous, it is pure arrogance.

“Actually, it is pure arrogance to think the human species can create and release all kinds of industrial chemicals, pollute the waters, pollute the sky, pollute the land – as if we own the planet and can do anything we want to it – we don’t own the planet.”
See that is the crux of the problem–it’s all about pollution. The environmentalists got little traction for cleaning up the environment based on the merits of that issue alone so they incorporated it into a fearmongering campaign that it is the pollution that is causing global warming/climate change. The fearmongering campaign had some roots, especially since it is being taught from K-12 in public schools. Climategate didn’t help the cause! And now more people are beginning to realize just what a scam the greenhouse gas emissions causing global warming/climate change really is.
If you want to clean up the environment, then you should do so based on the merits of THAT issue: Breathing in polluted air is unhealthy; Drinking or bathing in polluted water is unhealthy; We need to clean up the environment to live healthier lives; cleaning up the environment and limiting the emission of pollutants will lower the costs of heathcare!

Tierra, I challenge you to find where I ever said burning fossil fuels or just releasing fossil fuels does NOT create pollution.

The environmentalists got little traction for cleaning up the environment based on the merits of that issue alone so they incorporated it into a fearmongering campaign that it is the pollution that is causing global warming/climate change.
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That’s your OPINION. None the less, the bottom line remains the same.
Releasing fossil fuels into the environment creates pollution. Period. Burning fossil fuels creates pollution. Period.
Now let’s move on it.

“China also took note of the corruption endemic in Europe’s [cap-and-trade] systemcommunist China being against “wealth redistribution” is just so far out there.