Obama: Climate Change Agreement Not Perfect, But a ‘Substantial Step Forward’

Anyone who says: “the science is settled” doesn’t know what they are talking about; but anyone who says that knowing that those who have been doing the “science” have been caught sexing up the data, distorting the review process and preventing proper outside checking of the data is a liar.
I like Obama and for his sake (and healthcare in the US) I hope he gets away with this, but as for the science it is complete tripe and those involved should have a proper peer review: by a jury in a court!

“But here is the bottom line: we can embrace this accord, take a substantial step forward, and continue to refine it and build upon its foundation.”
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I’m sorry, Mr. President, but I don’t trust you or any of the other participants on this one.
The data is suspect, and the real motives and intentions of those who want this are suspect as well.

What a bunch of BS! Follow behind all in step. Smarchennager said so. Oh, thats right, Conan. Dumb dumb dumb.

To Mike Haseler,
I hate to break this to you but based on your statement the programmer who worked with the databases and code must ALSO be a liar.
For in his programmer’s log he admits to ‘sexing’ up the data. He also admits that he has data for a weather station in Australia that didn’t exist.
But don’t take my word for it. Look up the Harry Read Me file for yourself.
I don’t consider you a liar by the way, I just think you and many others are stuck in a ‘groupthink’ mentality.

“While the reality of climate change is not in doubt, our ability to take collective action hangs in the balance,” he said.
A perfect example of taking a phrase, repeating it as often as you can so that those who have nothing better to do can have something to worry about and get behind this misleading movement. And as President, changing regulations can insure that the men who helped you to office can and will get terribly wealthy from all these “changes”.
When a corrupt, dictator bad mouths our way of life, capitalism, and gets the biggest applause of anyone there then you know that this is a movement that is not to our benefit.
This movement is far worse than any street preacher predicting doom and the end of time or people convinced space craft are nearby coming to rescue them…after they, the believers, kill themselves.

For 3 millions of years the Rockies stood tall. But in less than 30 years The Rockies are loosing their peaks at a faster rate.
For millions of years the Ice berge, Ice glaciers have stood with no change. But in 30 years+ the glaciers have been breaking off and melting.
Living in desert with change in climate last year, having snow in December, January, February, and March, Yet you believe there is no change in our climate.
Our water supply has been in droubt for 30 years. Our water supply in resevoirs, rivers, lakes and streams have dropped each year for 30 years. Yet you believe there is no change in our climate.
Maybe when you have a blizzard on the 4th of July you will finally admit that man has destroyed this planet.

Now is the time.
This can’t wait.
The time for talk is over.
Obama has become so predictable.
And everyone knows he is ALL talk.

Darlin’ you must be very young to think that the earth must stay the same over millions of years unless we did something “bad” to change it.
We are supposed to be here. We are supposed to make our lives more beautiful, better, easier over time.
The Audacity of Copenhagen | Dec 18, 2009 9:20:38 AM
I think that post pretty clearly lays out what we’re dealing with: Thirty years of data collection and analysis blown off by a religious belief that Mother Nature is personally invested in keeping humans happy.
To steal a joke, it’s not global warming it’s just God hugging the planet close.

“Maybe when you have a blizzard on the 4th of July you will finally admit that man has destroyed this planet.”
I thought the greenhouse gas emissions–especially that nasty CO2–were supposed to be making us warmer? You know this decade being the “warmest” on record (since 1850)!
Finally, what about the cyclical weather changes on the other planets? Is man causing them as well?

“Yeah, look at how he talked those Somali pirates into giving up their hostage.”
I must have missed something! I thought it was the Navy SEAL sharpshooters who took out the Somali pirates! And all along I thought President Obama WAS just all “talk” (as in giving the orders). Thanks for clearing that up!

I’m sorry that people you trusted lied to you Angie and jhw. I can even understand the good hearted intentions behind wanting to “save the planet.” It’s probably the same feeling a lot of AGWers had at the beginning. A feeling of control, like they good do something good. In fact, many probably still think that way. Unfortunately for them they were hoodwinked.
I don’t even blame the scientists who first posited the theory. Science is about theories and proving them accurate or debunking them. What it’s not about is altering data or computer models to fit your theory and make it believable. That’s politics, or more aptly, the religion of politics.
Religion mockers like jhw need to look in the mirror and see how staunchly they defend their new religion. Maybe you can use it to find some empathy for others who don’t think like you do.
Ice ages are nothing new, neither are the warming periods after them. Man is the newer addition to the equation. Not in the sense that he’s causing the change, because the change existed prior; but in the sense that he’s arrogant enough to think he caused the change and therefore arrogant enough to think he can fix it.

Religion mockers like jhw need to look in the mirror and see how staunchly they defend their new religion.
Jen B. | Dec 18, 2009 9:51:58 AM
Lets see, science has doubled the average lifespan and brought about an unprecedented age of prosperity while feeding and clothing an astonishing 6 billion+ people… I’m quite a fan of it. It has saved my daughters life twice now and she’s only two and a half.
I attend church for my religion, but as an engineer I use my ability to reason to interpret this world. You can feel free to test God, to support abusing the wondrous system he created while blindly demanding He deal with it. I will continue to support using the gifts he gave us to scientifically and rationally ensure the environment that will support my children.

“…then you do not have even a basic knowledge of the science.”
And I was always under the impression that when temperatures increased that it got warmer! Thanks for setting me straight!
So if the greenhouse gas emissions can also cause extreme cold temperatures, then how do we know whether the ice caps will completely melt or refreeze and spread towards the equator? Then how can we be certain that the sea level will rise 20 feet in the next 40 years?

Obama: Climate Change Agreement Not Perfect, But a ‘Substantial Step Forward’
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For all the bedwetting Libs in here that means…Get your wallet out middle class

‘What a bunch of buffoons’…

(AP) If they fail to reach a climate deal in Copenhagen, world leaders flying in their private jets and huddling in five-star hotels will have little to show for their efforts beyond a big, fat carbon footprint.
The U.N. estimates 40,500 tons of carbon dioxide will be pumped into the atmosphere during the 12-day conference – 90 percent of it from flights. The rest comes from waste and electricity related to transport to and from the conference center and lodging in and around the Danish city.
In other words these self adsorbed knuckle heads want you and I to turn back the thermostats while they “save the world”.
Typical lear jet liberals.

“…which is nothing more than a plan for massive wealth redistribution governed by a small group of elites.”
That’s only 50 percent of it! Global Warming and Healthcare Reform are also about that small group of elitists controlling every aspect of our lives–what we eat and drink; what products we can or cannot purchase; and one day how many children we can have!
Yep! The sheep need to wake up!

that small group of elitists controlling every aspect of our lives–what we eat and drink; what products we can or cannot purchase; and one day how many children we can have!
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More fear mongering from the Republican right wing just as outlined in the recent Anti-Defamation League report.

Posted by: Mary | Dec 18, 2009 2:32:12 PM
You dispute any of those points about the health care system? Would love to see it.
And you think that compares with fear mongering and demonizing the Democrats as “small group of elitists controlling every aspect of our lives”.
Where is the rational thought Mary? Has it disappeared completely from the ranting right Republicans?

Lets see, science has doubled the average lifespan and brought about an unprecedented age of prosperity while feeding and clothing an astonishing 6 billion+ people… I’m quite a fan of it. It has saved my daughters life twice now and she’s only two and a half.
I attend church for my religion, but as an engineer I use my ability to reason to interpret this world. You can feel free to test God, to support abusing the wondrous system he created while blindly demanding He deal with it. I will continue to support using the gifts he gave us to scientifically and rationally ensure the environment that will support my children.
Posted by: jhw539 | Dec 18, 2009 10:00:02 AM
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Nicely articulated thoughts in a semi-hostile arena. Sadly, geo-politics trumped geo-science, but I think only the naive believed that wouldn’t be the case, given the worldwide economy, and the status of meaningful climate change legislation here at home. I’m still glad the President made the trip.
I wish the Republicans like Inhofe and Barton had stayed at home. I find them highly embarrassing, particularly on a world state. A reporter told Inhofe he was simply ridiculous yesterday.

“I wish the Republicans like Inhofe and Barton had stayed at home. I find them highly embarrassing, particularly on a world state.”
At least they don’t trash the USA at every stop and bow to dictators.