Obama Says Disappointment Over Climate Change Summit Is ‘Justified’

Walking back the “unprecedented breakthrough”. egnahc dna epoh!

Busted!!!!!

Obama was desperate to not come home empty-handed again, so he settled for anything.
He swooped into Copenhagen expecting an adoring audience but instead got rolled by China and insulted by Chavez.
Obama looks like he’s winging his way through everything.

AGW is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated.

Looks like Obama’s old stand-by “blame Bush” isn’t working well anymore.
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It’s not ‘Obama’s standby’ – it’s anybody who paid any attention over the past 8 years.
It is Obama’s job to wrestle with the severely collapsed economy; but he did not create it.

I think there’s some real relief that he doesn’t have to worry about pushing through massive climate change legislation immediately after health care.

Wishing You a Mao-ee Christmas
Official White House Christmas tree features controversial ornaments including an orb depicting Mao Zedong
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Oh good, you’ve changed your mind again. Obama is no longer in the pocket of Wall Street, the big banks and the health insurance industry – he’s back to being an evil destroyer of democracy. Excellent. Love the workings of the Republican right wing mind.

Bernie Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in prison for swindling billions from investors.
The European police agency Europol has revealed that the fraudulent trade in carbon credits that affected a number of countries over the past few months is far more widespread than previously thought and could have cost EU taxpayers up to €5bn in lost revenue over the past 18 months.
I wonder how many years Al Gore will get sentenced to?

1,200+ limos, 140 extra private jets and caviar wedges and champagne wishes – Copenhagen’s climate change summit produced as much carbon dioxide as a town of 165,000 people.
IF any of these people really believed in Climate Change/Global Warming/Algoronomy whatever, they wouldn’t have been able to justify this waste of time, resources and money.

Stay focused. We are talking about the Global Warming scam.

Were you not hugged enough as a child? Scooter Libbey has nothing to do with the Global Warming scam. Peace out…

Depite your slurs, the only criminal we’ve seen in the Vice President’s office recently was VP Cheney’s Chief of Staff Scooter Libby.
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Posted by: tierra |
No controlling legal authority.

Why wasnt this done as a giant teleconference? Nobody had to travel anywhere.
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That’s a good question. Have you ever been to a conference? There are many great things about conference – all kinds of networking takes place on a casual basis and participants generally go home inspired and ready to pursue whatever it is they’re involved in – corporate sales, volunteer work . . .whatever is the focus of the conference.
On the other hand, you’d have to think this is going to be one of the last global warming conferences with this type of mass conglomeration of people – those days are pretty much over.
Personally, I’d like to see all business meetings taking place electronically with business travel restricted – and travel resources on the planet saved for pleasure and culture.

More than 100 people are killed from the cold snap across Europe, according to the guardian.co.uk and 79 killed in Poland freeze according to canada.com – and we’re supposed to believe in the global warming hype?
Ah, but yes, when it’s 115 degrees it’s global warming, when its -15 degrees its global warming, when there are earthquakes miles below the earth’s surface it’s global warming, when there’s a meteor shower millions of miles above the earth’s surface it’s global warming . . . inconvenient truth?
More like A Convenient Excuse.

More than 100 people are killed from the cold snap across Europe, according to the guardian.co.uk and 79 killed in Poland freeze according to canada.com – and we’re supposed to believe in the global warming hype?
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You don’t fall for that pathetic logic do you? Because the weather gets cold in winter, global warming can’t be happening?
You’ve got to be kidding.

We really dodged a bullet on this.
Kudos to the brave soul that released CRU emails and documents.
Remember this regardless of your political persuasion, If the government/media is trying to scare us its probably trying to get you to do something irrational

“You don’t fall for that pathetic logic do you? Because the weather gets cold in winter, global warming can’t be happening?”
Earthy, please start using the term “climate change.” Fits into the agenda better these dyas. See you at the next conference and let me know if you need a ride on my Gulfstream!

Personally, I’d like to see all business meetings taking place electronically with business travel restricted – and travel resources on the planet saved for pleasure and culture.
Posted by: tierra | Dec 24, 2009 1:39:06 AM
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Further affirmation of disconnect from reality.
Business travel is on the upswing as jobs continue to move offshore (I’m headed out of country next week for this very purpose). ObamaCare further decreases competitiveness of U.S. industry (already saddled with the highest (outside of Japan) corp. tax rate in the world). Liberals, who generally do not work in private industry, have no idea what’s going on, but yet think they have all the answers and can run the economy from DC.

You don’t fall for that pathetic logic that because the weather gets hot in the summer global warming IS happening, do you?
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No, but we know this has been the hottest decade on record, winter and summer both included and temperatures from around the world. And the data collected long term by scientists around the world indicates the same.

Correction: “No, we don’t KNOW this as the collection methods and analysis are INCONSISTENT”

Thank God that a couple of our Senators had the good sense to get there and tell the rest of the world that Obama couldn’t promise them anything.
The whole cap and trade scheme has been exposed as a way to move money around the world and enrich some dictators. The greed is causing an implosion within. It was too much for all to just toe the line long enough for Gore and the Chicago Climate Exchange to take their piece off the top and split the rest with the dictators and the United Nations.
I am glad that God snowed on their parade.

“Climategate” made the whole thing silly with a lot of the top scientists proven to be in collusion with each other in rigging the data.
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Nonsense. From politifact . ..
Independent of CRU’s data, agencies and academics all over the world are coming to essentially the same conclusion: Climate change is happening.
Just take a recent report issued by the United States Global Research Program, an arm of the government that, since 1989, has been coordinating and integrating federal research on changes in the global environment and their implications for society. The report states that “global warming is unequivocal and primarily human-induced. … Warming over this century is projected to be considerably greater than over the last century. The global average temperature since 1900 has risen by about 1.5ºF. By 2100, it is projected to rise another 2 to 11.5ºF.”
There are other ways to quantify these changes. NASA, for instance, tracks data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado at Boulder to see how temperatures are affecting the arctic. The most recent data show that 2009 marks the third-lowest Arctic sea ice minimum on record.
Similarly, data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that sea levels over the past 100 years are rising at an average rate of 1.7 millimeters annually, “which is significantly larger than the rate averaged over the last several thousand years. Since 1993, global sea level has risen at an accelerating rate of around 3.5 mm/year. Much of the sea level rise to date is a result of increasing heat of the ocean causing it to expand.”
And here’s an important point on NOAA’s Web site:
“A number of agencies around the world have produced datasets of global-scale changes in surface temperature using different techniques to process the data and remove measurement errors that could lead to false interpretations of temperature trends,” the Web site says. “The warming trend that is apparent in all of the independent methods of calculating global temperature change is also confirmed by other independent observations, such as the melting of mountain glaciers on every continent, reductions in the extent of snow cover, earlier blooming of plants in spring, a shorter ice season on lakes and rivers, ocean heat content, reduced arctic sea ice, and rising sea levels.”
In short, temperatures are rising.

Climate change is not about climate change.
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Your opinion on climate change is just that – an opinion.
What the scientists around the world are using to assess climate change is called science.
Big difference between your opinion and scientific data and assessment.

For those who want to quote our esteemed NOAA and NASA.
A veteran meteorologist, Anthony Watts, had reason to doubt the reliability of US Surface Temperature Records so he founded http://www.surfacestations.org and set out to audit 1,221 weather stations operated by the National Weather service.
After surveying over 70% of those sations, he issued a report that states:
“(W)e found that 89 percent of the stations—nearly 9 of every 10—fail to meet the National Weather Service’s own siting requirements that stations must be 30 meters (about 100 feet) or more away from an artificial heating or radiating/reflecting heat source. In other words, 9 of every 10 stations are likely reporting higher or rising temperatures because they are badly sited.” (Pg. 1) T
he report concludes, “the raw temperature data produced by the USHCN stations are not sufficiently accurate to use in scientific studies or as a basis for public policy decisions.” (Pg. 17)
It gets worse.
We observed that changes in the technology of temperature stations over time also has caused them to report a false warming trend. We found major gaps in the data record that were filled in with data from nearby sites, a practice that propagates and compounds errors.
We found that adjustments to the data by both NOAA and another government agency, NASA, cause recent temperatures to look even higher.
The conclusion is inescapable: The U.S. temperature record is unreliable.

Q. Is there any question that surface temperatures in the United States have been rising rapidly during the last 50 years?
A. None at all. Even if NOAA did not have weather observing stations across the length and breadth of the United States the impacts of the warming are unmistakable. For example, lake and river ice is melting earlier in the spring and forming later in the fall. Plants are blooming earlier in the spring. Mountain glaciers are melting. Coastal temperatures are rising. And a multitude of species of birds, fish, mammals and plants are extending their ranges northward and, in mountainous areas, upward as well.

Bottom line, if scientists don’t want to be made to look totally foolish, they should first determine what is “natural” in climate change before trying to ascribe any changes to some preconceived and biased theory.
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I think they’re very aware of this.

Posted by: Alcheson | Dec 25, 2009 2:08:31 AM
Nonsense, you’re going to have to stop reading that party line drivel . . . or at least research what the actual scientists have to say in response to those hacked over talking points.

Do we or do we not have a AGW problem?
In four ways of analyzing the data, the answers are no, no, inconclusive and potentially a problem respectively. However, the fourth way is an unscientific and bogus way to analyze the data.
First way: Analysis of the geologic records alone. Going back over a million years, nothing looks out of the ordinary. Current temperatures are not higher than they have been in the past and CO2 is actually much lower than they have been numerous times in the past. Given where we are in the current Milankovich cycle… we are experiencing temperatures as precisely as would be expected. Not surprisingly, most geologists are against AGW.
Second way: Proxy data from things such as Tree Rings. Temperatures have been fluctuating up and down a degree or two over the passed 2k years. Proxy data shows that since 1960, the average global temperature and been trending down, not up! Thus AGW based on proxy data alone shows nothing to worry about.
Third way: Temperatures measured by thermometers over the passed 100 or so years. Thermometer temperatures went up early in the century, down in the middle and trended up once again up until almost the year 2000. Since 2000 however, the overall trend line has been flat to slightly downward. However, it has been shown that urbanization could be causing an upward bias in the temperature readings, especially in the latter half of the century when concrete and asphalt paving took off. Due a limited amount of good thermometer data contaminated by urbanization requiring adjustments to be made, plus the downward trend over the past decade while CO2 continues its march upward is at most… inconclusive.
Fourth way: Combine proxy data with thermometer data. Use proxy data up until 1960 (but not after 1960 because that shows declining world wide temperature!) and use thermometer data post 1960 and plot it on one graph. Now after applying some smoothing and “correction factors” (as shown in the exposed “Harry_readme” file) to the proxy data to minimize the MWP and little ice age you get the famous “Hockey Stick” temperature graph that indicates we potentially have a serious problem with CO2 (at least up until the year 2000).
This fourth way is what has now been revealed as the “hide the decline” exposed in the emails. By getting rid of post 1960 proxy data and splicing in thermometer data, you “hide the decline” and produce a nice hockey stick. Unfortunately, AGW scientists are now terribly distraught because thermometer temperatures since 2000 have strongly diverged from their nice hockey stick model and it has become a total “travesty” that they have no way to explain it.
There you have it for the average person, just exactly what is going on in climate science.