Dec 23, 2009 10:26am

Obama Smacked for Telling the Washington Post: ‘I Didn’t Campaign on the Public Option’

ABC News’ Teddy Davis reports: A liberal group, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (P.C.C.C.), is launching a television ad, criticizing President Obama for endorsing a Senate health care bill which includes a mandate to buy insurance but no government insurance option. The ad was produced overnight, according to the group’s co-founder, to respond “to the anger” that progressives are feeling about President Obama telling today’s Washington Post: “I didn’t campaign on the public option.” The ad, which is starting with only $40,000 behind it, is being launched in Wisconsin, in addition to Washington, D.C., in the hopes that Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., will “be a hero and insist on a public option.” Watch the ad HERE: "President Obama should frankly feel ashamed that he promised Americans a public option, got people to believe real change was possible, and then never truly fought for it — instead, pushing an insurance mandate that he specifically campaigned against. Hopefully, our ad inspires one brave senator to represent the will of the people and insist that a public option be in any final bill," said PCCC co-founder Adam Green in a written statement. Contrary to the impression left by Obama’s Washington Post interview, a public option was a part of the health care plan that he developed during last year’s presidential campaign. It did not, however, receive as much emphasis from Obama as other more moderate aspects of his approach. Feingold announced on Dec. 20 that he was getting behind a watered down Senate health care bill while jabbing the Obama administration for its lack of support for a public option. As part of his announcement, Feingold promised to urge members of the House and Senate who draft the final bill to make sure that a government insurance alternative is included. It is unlikely, however, that Feingold or other progressives will have the necessary leverage to get a public option back into the bill. This is because 60 votes are needed to get health-care legislation through the Senate without resorting to a budget reconciliation process which has not been pursued and 60 Senate votes have not materialized for the public option.  –Teddy Davis
 

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But Feingold is going to vote for the “watered down” bill anyway.
Hypocrisy goes both ways, Senator Feingold.

Posted by: The Audacity of Copenhagen | December 23, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Contrary to the impression left by Obama’s Washington Post interview, a public option was a part of the health care plan that he developed during last year’s presidential campaign.
It did not, however, receive as much emphasis from Obama as other more moderate aspects of his approach.
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The “impression” wasn’t left. Obama actively said something that wasn’t true.
And while it didn’t receive as much emphasis as other aspects, one thing candidate Obama *did* emphasize was that he was AGAINST mandates.
He also was very forceful in speeches that people should get what Congress gets.
“If it’s good enough for Congress, it’s good enough for you”, he would say.
So his pointing to his campaign rhetoric is a little rich at this point.

Posted by: MayBee | December 23, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Feingold, Obama, all Demos and Repubs are politicians. Lying becomes second nature to the career politician. Term limits is the only answer. Vote against all incumbents in 2010 and 2012 and we can all start over.

Posted by: jerry | December 23, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am

So his pointing to his campaign rhetoric is a little rich at this point.
Posted by: MayBee | Dec 23, 2009 10:45:22 AM

Actually, that’s a good point. He would have alleviated the blowback by just not going there.
From what I recall, he did announce in a speech on health insurance reform that he’d changed his mind on mandates, and he’s also been clear that while he supports a public option, he thought it was getting too much emphasis. He repeatedly refused to draw a line in the sand over it.
I think because he thinks a lot like I do on certain matters, I don’t get as bent out of shape as others on some of these things– but for those who can’t relate to him, this gives them more fuel for the fire. I suppose its like that for all presidents– actually, all leaders.
As the post states, “It is unlikely, however, that Feingold or other progressives will have the necessary leverage to get a public option back into the bill.” I agree. It’s been unlikely all along, imho, but I think Reid has played it well by not conceding on it too early in the sausagemaking. At one point, the insurance exchanges were on the chopping block, as well as other reforms which are still in the bill and have been improved.

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

He has got the libs ticked off too this is too good. It’s like watching a train wreck.

Posted by: 'Un-American' | December 23, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am

“Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.”
Oh wait, that was what he said when asked at what point does a baby get human rights?
My bad.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 23, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 23, 2009 11:16:37 AM
I see Congress and the President are really working hard to see that those uninsured get affordable health care coverage before they die. According to FoxNews today:
“Most of the 30 million uninsured helped by the bill won’t get coverage until 2013 at the earliest, well after the next presidential election.”
Yet this lack of humanitarian effort seems not to concern you. I read your posts all day long yesterday and you chided those who had no compassion for the uninsured. Don’t they need help now? Congress and the President don’t seem to have any problems getting the costs to us in effect right away:
“The costs of health care reform being pushed through Congress by Democrats will be felt long before the benefits.
“Proposed taxes and fees on upper-income earners, insurers, even tanning parlors, take effect quickly. So would Medicare cuts.”
Yet somehow they can’t seem to get the uninsured covered for 3+ years. Am I not interpreting this legislation correctly?

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 23, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am

To quote a very famous quote “YOU LIE”. Well Libs., he’s your boy, I don’t know him. PS, get use to being lied to, he’s very good at it. Don’t forget, he started out by lying to a majority of the American voters.

Posted by: Gunnerv1 | December 23, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

I read your posts all day long yesterday and you chided those who had no compassion for the uninsured. Don’t they need help now?

I didn’t chide anyone. I stated my position. Frankly, if you’re going to start out by lying and mischaracterizing my posts, I prefer not to have a discussion with you– I stated my policy yesterday. I will point out that you clearly missed the post where I talked about moving up the date in accordance with the House bill as one of the most important and vital things to keep on the table during Conference.
Have a nice Christmas and New Year’s.

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am

I think because he thinks a lot like I do on certain matters, I don’t get as bent out of shape as others on some of these things– but for those who can’t relate to him, this gives them more fuel for the fire
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I’m not bent out of shape on the public option because I don’t want them.
His problem on this issue isn’t with people who can’t “relate” to him, it is with people who supported him because they believed him when he said he wanted a public option.
He might not have meant it, but he managed to convince *them* he did.
He had his campaign arm, OFA, continue to ask his supporters to push hard for it. They did, and apparently they thought they were doing it on his behalf.

Posted by: MayBee | December 23, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Sorry. I didn’t want *it*.

Posted by: MayBee | December 23, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Whatever, mama. You see stating opinions; I see “lecturing.” What remains is if the 30 million uninsured are so important why don’t they get covered sooner by the Congress and the President? And if they are not, why do the creators/supporters of this legislation act like such noble people?
Q: Why rip the system apart just to satisfy the remaining 15%?
A: Human decency.
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 22, 2009 11:21:12 AM
Can you apply the same type of determined preconceived analogizing to the cost of doing nothing? Because therein lies the actual problem, which is being ignored by the Right.
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 22, 2009 10:41:13 AM
Fortunately, there are some who want to wrestle with the actual problem– not some version of it that suits politically.
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 22, 2009 10:29:48 AM
I’m glad that at least one big tent party in the legislature has returned to the notion of passing important bills that seriously attempt to address big problems, not allowing the perfect to get in the way of the good, the dream to get in the way in doing what we can under the circumstances.
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 22, 2009 12:23:28 AM
Moreover, working toward universal coverage is the decent, moral, humane and compassionate thing to do.
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 22, 2009 3:48:18 PM

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 23, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am

What remains is if the 30 million uninsured are so important why don’t they get covered sooner by the Congress and the President?
Asked and answered: you clearly missed the post where I talked about moving up the date in accordance with the House bill as one of the most important and vital things to keep on the table during Conference.
I do consider universal health care coverage the decent, moral thing to do. Period. You forgot to cut and paste this (yesterday’s Q for O thread):
“Anyway…as you say, we could probably go back and forth, and not really change either’s mind– and this isn’t really the forum for all that. Its worthwhile to hear your perspective, and I am respectful of all opinions, but ultimately its moral for me. Deeply moral. And yet, I do understand where you’re coming from. The truth is neither side can know for sure what the outcome will be of either the status quo or various reforms. As humans, we do our best to learn from others’ experiences and the trends, and we crunch the numbers and read studies an wonks. I’ve found some good things out of the state experiments, you see some bad things. I suppose both sides can sift through all the wonkery and find what they need to justify a position. I’ve seen no clear evidence for not moving forward toward universal coverage as other nations have done with success– and to me it really is the bone-deep “right” thing to do. I don’t judge those who don’t think so if they have legitimate arguments, but they’re not really going to change my mind unless they have definitive evidence– and they don’t. “

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

I’m not bent out of shape on the public option because I don’t want them. His problem on this issue isn’t with people who can’t “relate” to him, it is with people who supported him because they believed him when he said he wanted a public option. He might not have meant it, but he managed to convince *them* he did. He had his campaign arm, OFA, continue to ask his supporters to push hard for it. They did, and apparently they thought they were doing it on his behalf.
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Didn’t mean to imply you were bent out of shape, and on “relating” I should have used a different word. I meant I think there are some who ARE bent out of shape and many who read the tea leaves much, much differently than I did. So what I mean is that how I read the tea leaves all along (same on Afghanistan) led me to the conclusion that (a)it was nearly impossible to get a worthwhile robust public option through the Senate — but smart from a negotiating stand point to keep it in there as long as possible, and give the netroots an opportunity to pressure the Senate to see if there would be any shift and (b) that sometime around Thanksgiving Obama would announce he was sending a significant number of troops. In my shorthand, I guess, I consider having seen that, and it turning out that way, as me being able to “relate” and maybe see the chessboard in similar way. Maybe not, but I’m not a kool aid drinker– I believe when someone tells you what’s going on you should believe them and not just see what you want to see.
Personally, I didn’t see a government public option as a big piece of his platform. Ever. But I’m not saying people shouldn’t fact check and speak out if they’re upset. I’m just not. I get where the President is coming from.

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

I do consider universal health care coverage the decent, moral thing to do. Period.
Posted by: progressive mama |
I do too. The Democrats? Not so much.
The single most important reason to reform the system and Congress has failed miserably.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | December 23, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

I do too. The Democrats? Not so much.

The Republicans? Much less so. (I’m open-minded, but partisan because of the lack of true choice when it comes to party platforms.)
We need alternate parties– a four or five party system.
Since I’m a realist, to me incrementalism– a step at a time– is better than nada.

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Since I’m a realist, to me incrementalism– a step at a time– is better than nada.
Posted by: progressive mama |
We’ll we been told that tens of thousands die every year due to lack of health insurance. And that doesn’t even scratch the surface of all the suffering from non life taking illness.
Congress has decided that they can live with that which is despicable.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | December 23, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

If Senators care more about what the Big Insurance lobbysists want than what their constituents want, how can there be real reform?
How can there be real reform when there is no competition from a public option?
Answer to both: there can’t.
But we will still hear about how the Senate bill is better than nothing, that it is a start, yada, yada, yada.
The Senate bill isn’t a start. It is a pit. It gives more power to Big Insurance, entrenches them even more and let’s them think that they can throw their weight around even more than before.

Posted by: Joe | December 23, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

I prefer not to have a discussion with you–
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 23, 2009 11:36:30 AM
But you will anyway…
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 23, 2009 12:09:58 PM

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 23, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Since I’m a realist, to me incrementalism– a step at a time– is better than nada.
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 23, 2009 12:37:20 PM
Yes, I’m sure after the President will get a standing ovation at the State of the Union address for “saving the uninsured” and then the tap dancing and goalpost moving will begin as 3 years goes by and the uninsured continue to be uninsured while the govt gets fat on more taxes. What hypocrites the Democrats are. It’s a grand plan if you can stomach it. I can’t.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 23, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

What, liberals are finally discovering that Obama lies, lies without compunction, lies in such a way as to show contempt for the people who is supposed to be representing? What will they think of next?

Posted by: Chiara | December 23, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

What hypocrites the Democrats are. Posted by: Live! From DC! It’s Sat Night! | Dec 23, 2009 1:22:56 PM
And yet only the Democrats are willing to tackle real problems and do the jobs they were elected to do.
We’re taking several important steps toward universal health care coverage and an improved health care system, with pilot programs aimed at working on the cost curve issue.
And the Republicans?
Nothing. Just more nihilism.
What hypocrites the Republicans and their comrades the tea partiers are (and looky, they’ve lined themselves right back up with the GOP after denying they were Republicans for most of the year!)

Posted by: The Worst Decade, courtesy of the Republicans | December 23, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Actually, that’s a good point. He would have alleviated the blowback by just not going there.
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Nobody made him say it. He offered it up on his own.
So the question is why?

Posted by: MayBee | December 23, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

“…to me incrementalism — a step at a time — “.
Posted by: progressive mama | Dec 23, 2009 12:37:20 PM
Sounds like ‘The Boiling Frog Story’:
The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

Posted by: The Audacity of Copenhagen | December 23, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

Posted by: The Audacity of Copenhagen | Dec 23, 2009 5:05:16 PM
Actually, did you hear that from Republican strategists? Because if I wanted to be as partisan, I’d say it reminds me of the plan of the past 30 years or so, since Reagan– deregulation, tax cuts, implemental steps taken toward achieving the utopia of an ideology that shrinks the middle class, increases poverty, and spikes the number of uninsureds, creating a wider and wider gap between the “haves” and “have-nots” and ending in our current economy.

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

“And yet only the Democrats are willing to tackle real problems and do the jobs they were elected to do.”
Is that so? Well, America doesn’t see it that way.
Rasmussen: “Just 29% of U.S. voters now say the country is heading in the right direction, the lowest level measured since early February, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
Forty-one percent (41%) of voters nationwide now favor the health care bill, but 55% are opposed. This is the fifth straight week with support for the legislation between 38% and 41%.
Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters nationwide say that it would be better to pass no health care reform bill this year instead of passing the plan currently being considered by Congress.
Republican candidates now have an eight-point lead over Democrats, their biggest lead of the year, in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.”

Posted by: Mary | December 23, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

I quit the so-called Progressive Change Campaign over this attack ad. I’m tired of lazy liberals who demand instant gratification. President Obama is NOT a king, and we live under a representative form of government. After 50 years of political activism, I have come to realize that means we argue all the time and nobody is ever completely satisfied. Yeah, I pushed for the public option, but what we’re getting is a foundation to build on, and that’s a helluva lot more than we’ve had. Social Security didn’t look much like it does today when FDR first signed it into law, so I’m hanging onto my hope instead of whining about compromises.

Posted by: Elizabeth | December 23, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

@Mary: “Is that so? Well, America doesn’t see it that way.
[..."]Forty-one percent (41%) of voters nationwide now favor the health care bill, but 55% are opposed. This is the fifth straight week with support for the legislation between 38% and 41%.”"
Nice spin. Here’s the problem: when the public option was IN the bill, 60% supported it. Support has dropped BECAUSE the Democrats have caved to right-wingers.

Posted by: Thad | December 23, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

“Support has dropped BECAUSE the Democrats have caved to right-wingers.”
Democrats don’t need “right-wingers” to pass anything. They have supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.

Posted by: Mary | December 23, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Democrats are now becoming right wingers, using the power of government to force us to buy a product from a private company. There will be no incentive for insurance companies to lower prices or to offer decent coverage because they know we can’t cancel our policies.
And I am very disappointed in Obama for lying about he public option. That’s why it’s important to judge a candidate by his voting record, not by his words. Obama’s Senate voting record was more conservative that Hillary’s, but the Obots didn’t want to hear that. Furthermore, Obama voted ‘Present’ over 100 times whe he was the Illinois state legislature. Anybody who votes ‘Present’ that many times in a very shory legislative career, has no core values. If these fools on the left had done their homework, Americans would not be be getting this rotten bill today!

Posted by: Shelley | December 23, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

Re: “I pushed for the public option, but what we’re getting is a foundation to build on…”
Says who? Those are talking points. If a Democratic president with a majority in the Senate and the House could not stand up to the health insurance industry, then when will they be able to?
Obama is weak.

Posted by: Shelley | December 23, 2009, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

Democrats don’t need “right-wingers” to pass anything. They have supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.
Posted by: Mary | Dec 23, 2009 7:36:13 PM

This is entirely false. Thad is correct.
psssst, Mary– the Democrat tent is large and we have some conservaDems (right wingers) in it. Ever hear of Lieberman, Nelson, Lincoln, Landrieu? We do need right wingers and centrists to pass anything. We do not have a supermajority of left wing progressives. Period. Full stop.

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

Says who?
Says every reputable health care wonk, a long list of highly credible health economists, the AMA and the AARP.

Posted by: progressive mama | December 23, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Even with ” definitive evidence” that Obama’s only consistency is LYING, the true believers will go down in flames with him, ever faithful, just like the true believers in Germany did.

Posted by: tanarg | December 24, 2009, 12:48 am 12:48 am

Obama told the Washington Post that he did not campaign for a public option. Think progress has documented that this is nothing but weasel words from Obama.
Think Progress has documentation of Obama’s 2008 campaign health care website, what he said on 6/15/09, 7/17/09, 7/20/09 and 9/20/09.
TPMDC has a video of Obama back in July 2009 where Obama said that the bill he signed must include a public option.
Google it: “Obama Demands The Bill I Sign Must Include Public Option”
Obama can play all the games that he wants to but no one is fooled by them.
The Senate bill is a sell out to Big Insurance and Big Pharma. Obama, Reid, Lincoln, Lieberman, Nelson, Landrieu and others are sell outs. Obama cut back room deals with Big Insurance & Big Pharma. Big Insurance & Big Pharma stocks are at a 52 week high now.
What do Big Insurance & Big Pharma get from the Senate bill?
No drug re-importation, a monopoly to stop generic versions of biotech drugs from coming to market, people being forced to buy insurance that they don’t want (Obama campaigned against Mandatory purchase of insurance), the elderly in some cases having to pay up to 300% more for insurance, being taxed to pay for some of this, yet benefits and being able to purchase insurance doesn’t kick in until 2014.
Big Insurance & Big Pharma also got something else that they wanted: no public option in the Senate bill. A public option would help keep costs down due to competition with Big Insurance, and due to people paying for it with their premiums.
The Senate bill is not a “start.” It is a trap.
Let’s hope that the 60+ progressives in the House of Reps hold firm to their pledge that they signed that they will not vote for any bill that does not contain a public option. If they go back on their pledge, throw them out in Nov. 2010 along with the sell-out Senators that are up in Nov. 2010 or primary them before then if at all possible.

Posted by: Joe | December 24, 2009, 1:17 am 1:17 am

Obama bent his supporters over. He has what he wants, so the people that voted for him won’t get anything unless Obama happens to think it is political advantageous for him. He tricked all his supporters into thinking he was a different sort of politician, and it ends up he is even more twisted than most. Watch out next time some one tells you that they can solve all your problems for you.

Posted by: David E. Connolly, Jr. | December 24, 2009, 1:28 am 1:28 am

Posted by: Joe | Dec 24, 2009 1:17:27 AM
Joe I’m not sure I believe the quote from the Washington Post is accurate.
We have the quote pulled out of context . . . and we now have other media quoting the Washington Post quoting Obama.
What if the Washington Post got it wrong? Or out of context?
Then the whole issue falls apart . ..

Posted by: tierra | December 24, 2009, 3:07 am 3:07 am

@Tierra
If we allow the route that you bring up, in the way that you bring it up, then it becomes way too easy for people to worm out of what they say.
If WaPo got the quote wrong (and what Obama said is there for anyone to see and read at WaPo) then Obama, Gibbs, Axelrod or someone in the administration should have corrected WaPo.
Given that no one has stepped forward to say that WaPo got it wrong after all this time, that tells me that WaPo got it right and quoted him accurately.
Obama was just caught, plain and simple. Think Progress, TPMDC and others caught him red handed.

Posted by: Joe | December 24, 2009, 4:28 am 4:28 am

(and what Obama said is there for anyone to see and read at WaPo)
Posted by: Joe | Dec 24, 2009 4:28:57 AM
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I’ve read it Joe. And the Obama ‘quote’ looks very odd. It is out of context and inserted in the middle of two of the writer’s paragraphs, as if it descended on its own from nowhere.
I’d like to see it in the context of what Obama was saying.
We’ve seen so many quotes taken out of context and used against politicians and public figures.
Where is the context for that statement?

Posted by: tierra | December 24, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

President Obama: YOU LIE, again.

Posted by: mjishernameo | December 25, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Shelley said;
Democrats are now becoming right wingers, using the power of government to force us to buy a product from a private company. There will be no incentive for insurance companies to lower prices or to offer decent coverage because they know we can’t cancel our policies.
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That happened long ago, but many of us missed it for years. They tried to hide it in rhetoric. President Carter adopted Milton Friedman’s policies. He was the one who fixed the USA and the Federal Reserve on a rightward path by appointing Volcker and Greenspan, apostles of Friedman to head the Federal Reserve. And Kissinger to manage Operation Condor and other matters. And many other things credited to the right he saw done.
Clinton was also a neoliberal. Like Carter, Reagan, and Bush. We can thank him for GATT, NAFTA, and the WTO.
http://reason.com/archives/2007/02/21/the-life-and-times-of-milton-f/

Posted by: WilliamBlake | December 25, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

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