Obama’s High Stakes Copenhagen Gamble

Barry:
Pack your snow pants

“Without common action, extreme temperatures will create a new generation of poor, with climate change refugees driven from their homes by drought, climate change evacuees fleeing the threat of drowning,”British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said.
“We face the nightmare of humanity becoming the species that dies out just as a parasite does as it devours its host,”Papandreou said.
World class fearmongering.

140 private jets, 15,000 delegates,10,000 environmental activist, a hundred world leaders and 5,000 journalist
david | Dec 17, 2009 7:28:22 PM
Lets see, so that’s (15,000+10,000+5,000+100)/140 jets =>
215 people per private jet? That’s not bad, it’s better than commercial actually.

“Temperatures will stay low at least the next three days,” Henning Gisseloe, an official at Denmark’s Meteorological Institute, said today by telephone, forecasting more snow in coming days. “There’s a good chance of a white Christmas.”
Delegates from 193 countries have been in Copenhagen since Dec. 7 to discuss how to fund global greenhouse gas emission cuts. U.S. President Barack Obama will arrive before the summit is scheduled to end tomorrow.
Denmark has a maritime climate and milder winters than its Scandinavian neighbors. It hasn’t had a white Christmas for 14 years, under the DMI’s definition, and only had seven last century. Temperatures today fell as low as minus 4 Celsius (25 Fahrenheit).
HA!!!! Wonder what these global warming cultists are going to say to each other…hey, sure is friggin freezing outside…oooopps !

Kabuki Theatre.

Warmest decade on record.
Posted by: tierra | Dec 17, 2009 8:19:03 PM
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prove it. you have no cred.

Jake Tapper has got it all wrong. We are not discussing “Obama’s” high stakes. We are talking about ours. We are talking about the planet’s future.
Because,for real, it’s not nice to pimp slap Mother Nature. And right now Mother Nature is turning into real female dog – and we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Besides, I have vested interests. I am a nickel and dime investor looking for promising green technology stock. Several of the companies I’ve invested in have already given me a nice return – and I want “mo’money.” I might add that my pension CalSTRS also invests in green technology – so the prospect of not having to spend my old age in a homeless shelter is more than appealing.
Beyond me, green technology is a “win-win” for everyone on the planet. The Chinese are already making advances in this country – several solar and wind companies have already established a foothood here. Why shouldn’t they want more? Green technology is an emerging multi-trillion market. The investments we make now in the smartgrid, for example, will pay for themselves 4 times over. Green technology means jobs, jobs, and jobs. That’s the reason the USW put a big banner on its headquarters saying “Good jobs . Green jobs.”
If we fail to act, it’s not Obama who will lose – all of us will lose. Why would any one oppose a win-win proposition – especially Wall Street?
I am glad I voted for Obama, and wish him God-speed at Copenhagen. We all need it.
P.S. To any one who wants to make a snide remark, I’ll just say do your homework. Before you post a blog, read Al Gore’s latest book Our Choice.

Al Gore: Pay no attention to the flakey stuff falling, it’s the earths dandruff caused by the massive assault on the scalp of the mantle of the planet which rich white americans CAUSED !!!!
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Not that you’re stupid; but what you’ve typed is stupid nonsense . ..

Green technology means jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Posted by: William Joseph Miller |
Do you know anyone with a green job?

Regarding ‘warmest decade on record’.
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“Earlier Tuesday, the UN’s weather agency boosted the sense of urgency surrounding the conference with data showing this decade is on track to be the hottest since records began in 1850, with 2009 the fifth-warmest year ever. The second warmest decade was the 1990s.
“Only the United States and Canada experienced cooler conditions than average.”

Not that you’re stupid; but what you’ve typed is stupid nonsense . ..
Posted by: tierra | Dec 17, 2009 8:46:31 PM
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exactly. And so is the GW story….
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Well, again what you type is stupid.
Your story is just nonsense you made up. Global warming is supported by decades of research, decades of data and all of the National Science Institutes of every western country in the world. Nothing in the ‘stolen emails’ changed any of this, despite the Fossil Fuel Industry’s attempts to spread their propaganda – ably assisted by the dogmatic right wingers and creationists.
Your silly imaginings do not compare.

A President doesn’t generally put his prestige on the line like this time and again and come back home so empty handed.
Denbo | Dec 17, 2009 8:37:32 PM
Is this the new lie Republicans are trying to make true through mindless repetition? Bush Sr’s biggest achievement in his visits to Japan to deal with the trade imbalance in the 80′s was throwing up during a state dinner. And by your absurd scale, Reagan’s speech to the British Parliament was a failure since he did not get anything for it (indeed, was derided as an “ignorant cowboy”):
“The march of freedom and democracy will leave Marxism-Leninism on the ash heap of history, as it has left other tyrannies which stifled the freedom and muzzled the self-expression of the people.” -1982
I’m not expecting anything from Obama’s trip over there other than the standard diplomacy that is another small step to rebuilding the soft power that peaked with Bush Sr and cratered to nothing with Bush Jr. And no one who pays attention expects anything to get done on emissions control ever since they took moves that effectively banned the of reconciliation to pass the emissions bill (they kept the option open for the health care bill).

Without China and India taking a full and fair share of GHG REDUCTIONS the US shouldn’t promise a thing. They’ve taken a lot of our jobs, now they need a competitive energy advantage as well? NO WAY!

THAT is the crux of the whole scam! There are a lot of people who have a vested interested in global warming–including some scientists and researchers, who receive government grants as long as they continue to promote global warming.
James Danley | Dec 17, 2009 9:19:32 PM
Right, that’s the problem – all those fat cat scientists and PhD students fixing results to gang up on the poor defenseless oil, coal and gas companies. The same way that fat cat scientific community ganged up on the poor, defenseless tobacco industry in the 70′s and 80′s.
Luckily, many of the same folks who helped poor ‘ol cigarette companies are now working hard to defend the oil, coal and gas companies. They don’t seem to have any money to actually collect data or provide any refuting evidence- you know, science – but they’re doing their best to make noise.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can
speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical…The main basis of the claim that
man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely
upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface
system.” – Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to
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receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190
studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

She said there IS a warming, but she’s skeptical that it’s caused by man. She didn’t call it a hoax.
Posted by: Skip |
Seems like a reasonable position to me but to the believers she is a heretic.

Right, that’s the problem – all those fat cat scientists and PhD students fixing results to gang up on the poor defenseless oil, coal and gas companies.
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Hahahah!

The believers are being assailed from every angle.
Skip | Dec 17, 2009 11:05:48 PM
Not quite true. No one is attacking them with hypotheses supported by actual research and data (ie, science). If they did and successfully brought forth data to support no CO2 impact on climate, then they would win the Nobel faster than the guy who was pushed to the fringes for saying ulcers could be caused by bacteria – who then actually *proved it* and became a star overnight. There are huge rewards in the scientific community for overturning the accepted dogma.

Until the global warming disciples can explain how it was not warmer in 1000AD when a. vinifera grapes grew in England, b.labrusca grapes grew in Newfoundland and c. animal husbandry was going on in Greenland the entire theory is not sustainable.If the tree ring data does not account for these historic FACTS it cannot be considered a reliable measure of contemporary temperature.However, Dr. Mann’s Hockey Stick graph is largely based on tree ring data from the Yamal peninsula in Siberia.The fact that Mann ignored data from the same series that showed that the tree line was much further north during the same period is absolutely shocking.

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” – Nobel Prize Winner for
Physics, Ivar Giaever

There is definitely risk associated with climate change. The reserve food supply on Earth is measured in months or even weeks.
Posted by: Skip |
Why do you assume that a warmer planet would be bad for the food supply?

“First of all, I didn’t want to be on this panel.”
“And I did a little research on Google before I went on this panel, and, uh, so I don’t claim to know much about the global warming really, but I looked at Google — .”
Nobel Prize Winner for
Physics, Ivar Giaever

“First of all, I didn’t want to be on this panel.”
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At a glance, I thought this said “First of all, I didn’t want to be on this planet”. And I thought, “Madon’, this deniers will quote absolutely anyone!” –which isn’t too far off the mark given the long line of fruit loops associated with denier groups.

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.”
Nobel Prize Winner for
Physics, Ivar Giaever
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Dec 18, 2009 12:39:55 AM
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“First of all, I didn’t want to be on this panel.”
“And I did a little research on Google before I went on this panel, and, uh, so I don’t claim to know much about the global warming really, but I looked at Google — .”
Nobel Prize Winner for
Physics, Ivar Giaever

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t
have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on
scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” – Indian geologist
Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported
International Year of the Planet.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Dec 18, 2009 1:55:47 AM
Foghorn I’ve already discredited two of the out of context, right wing blog, parroted, cut and paste scientist quotes. Do I have to discredit them all – or will you do some research on your own?

Seems like a reasonable position to me but to the believers she is a heretic.
Foghorn Leghorn | Dec 17, 2009 10:34:36 PM
Really? Can you provide any citation or evidence to back up that wild accusation?
Former Vice President Al Gore (November 5, 2007): “There are still people who believe that the Earth is flat.” Gore also compared global warming skeptics to people who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.”

“What should we as a nation do? Decisions have to be made on incomplete information. In this case, we must act on the recommendations of Gore and the IPCC because if we do not reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and the climate models are right, the planet as we know it will in this century become unsustainable.”
Dr. Joanne Simpson
Posted by: tierra |
Now why would leave out her very next sentence?
“But as a scientist I remain skeptical.”

Do you know that cocaine is not addicting and children learn their gender behaviors through their socialization?
I know this is true because those were the “facts” I learned in my college classes in the early 80′s.
I learned of course, through my own observation, that both these theories were bogus when two of my friends entered rehab for cocaine addiction and my son enjoyed making guns out of his peanut butter sandwich (I wouldn’t allow toy weapons in the house.)
He wasn’t too fond of the baby doll I gave him either. :)
Science is theory. There is way too much politics involved in this one. We need more investigation and study.
Finding clean, alternative fuels is a great idea in its own right. If solar was cheaper everyone in CA would have it now.

Marge Simpson: We wouldn’t be in this trouble if you’d just pay the heating bill.
Homer Simpson: I thought Global Warming would take care of it. Al Gore can’t do anything right!