Option Out: Last Best Chance at Health Care Deal
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Why travel all that way to collect a Nobel Prize — there’s more than enough peace (and war) to go around at home.
We’ll know soon enough whether peace is indeed at hand over health care — as defined by a deal that can get 60 actual Senate votes behind an actual piece of legislation (to say nothing of the situation in the House). We’ve seen neither the votes nor the legislation yet. We’ve seen previous purported deals collapse inside the time it takes to get a score from the Congressional Budget Office. But part of what makes this breakthrough stand out is that it builds on fresh ideas in a debate where it seemed everything had been said — and seems to be disliked just enough by all the relevant parties. If it works, it’s going to mean balancing the constituencies all over again — convincing liberals that this is almost as good as a full-on public option, convincing moderates that it’s not as bad as one, then maybe even bringing a Republican or two on board for good measure. As for balance — next up, Norway, for a president who has claimed ownership of a war since being named the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Plus — TARP gets a new lease on life, for new purposes that are sort of like the old ones.
In the meantime, if this health care deal is the real deal, take a bow, Harry Reid.
If not, Washington isn’t so bad over Christmas (and what’s wrong with a little hope in a State of the Union speech, anyway?).
The trigger he gets to pull exactly once: “In announcing the agreement, Mr. Reid was apparently trying to create a sense of momentum for the health care legislation, which has been on the Senate floor for nine days, with no immediate end in sight,” The New York Times’ Robert Pear and David M. Herszenhorn report. “The majority leader has not briefed the 60-member Senate Democratic caucus on the agreement, and liberals may have reservations.”
“Under the deal, the government plan preferred by liberals would be replaced with a program that would create several national insurance policies administered by private companies but negotiated by the Office of Personnel Management, which oversees health policies for federal workers,” Shailagh Murray and Lori Montgomery write in The Washington Post. “According to a Democrat briefed on the talks, the deal represents only an agreement among the 10 negotiators to send the new package to congressional budget analysts, not an agreement to support its elements.”
“It’s not a public option, but Democrats say it’s close,” ABC’s Jonathan Karl reported on “Good Morning America” Wednesday.
“The deal might remove one of the biggest stumbling blocks to passage,” The Boston Globe’s Lisa Wangsness reports.
Or might not (and this from one of the senators who was in the room): “While I appreciate the willingness of all parties to engage in good-faith discussions, I do not support proposals that would replace the public option in the bill with a purely private approach,” Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said in a statement.
“Unlikely prospect”: “The senators embraced a more limited proposal that would empower the government’s Office of Personnel Management to put in place a new low-cost national health plan,” Greg Hitt and Janet Adamy write in The Wall Street Journal. “The new national plan would be run by nonprofit entities set up by the private sector, and would be available to the public on the new insurance exchanges that would be created under the bill. If no private insurers sign up with the Office of Personnel Management to offer a national plan, the office would be authorized to implement a direct government-run plan, an unlikely prospect, aides said.”
Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.: “That’s an interesting idea.”
Miles to go: “Several officials stressed that so far, Democrats had technically agreed only on submitting proposals to the Congressional Budget Office for their impact on the bill’s cost and other analysis,” per the AP’s David Espo.
Brian Beutler, at Talking Points Memo: “Now it’s a question of what the CBO says, and then: will Joe Lieberman object to the trigger? This trigger seems awfully hard to pull. But he’s said he’d object to any kind of government insurance option–even triggered–in the past. And if he’s out, what will Olympia Snowe do?”
A Reid adviser, to the Los Angeles Times’ Janet Hook and Noam Levey: “By and large, it’s not a public option, but I think the liberals felt so strongly about getting a bill that allows for comprehensive coverage and meaningful reform, it was worth accepting this. No one believes this is going to be the last word.”
Just because the abortion amendment failed in the Senate — you didn’t think this was going away, did you?
Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., in a New York Times op-ed: “What My Amendment Won’t Do”: “I would like to set the record straight: Our amendment maintains current law, which says that there should be no federal financing for abortion. … Some opponents of the amendment have tried to argue that it would effectively end health insurance coverage of abortion in both the private and public sectors. This argument is nothing more than a scare tactic.”
For the talking-point files: “Buried among proposed programs for the uninsured are dozens of lesser-known provisions — from work breaks for breastfeeding moms to a requirement that chain restaurants disclose how many calories are in the fries,” USA Today’s John Fritze reports.
New polling numbers: It’s one thing to hate on Gallup — but what does Robert Gibbs think of Quinnipiac now?
“American voters give President Barack Obama a split 46 – 44 percent job approval, his lowest ever, and both the health care reform package that he wants Congress to pass and his personal rating on handling health care now win support from less than four in 10 Americans, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.”
“Voters disapprove 52 – 38 percent of the health care reform proposal under consideration in Congress, and they disapprove 56 – 38 percent of President Obama’s handling of health care, down from 53 – 41 percent in a November 19 survey.”
A boost of sorts — in a mixed bag of a poll: “A Bloomberg National Poll conducted Dec. 3-7 gives Obama a 54 percent overall job-approval rating. Yet Americans have a negative view of his efforts on the economy, health care, the financial crisis and the federal budget deficit,” per Bloomberg News’ Heidi Przybyla and Nicholas Johnston. Worth touting, with the president headed abroad again: “The only area where he earns high ratings is foreign policy, with 59 percent of Americans saying they approve of the way he manages relations with other countries, and 62 percent who support his plan to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, though opinion is divided about setting a deadline for withdrawal,” they write.
Since health care is solved and all — get ready for the long plane ride.
“When President Obama travels to Norway to accept his prize on Thursday, he faces a far different challenge than those who have gone before him: He is a wartime leader, accepting a medal that is a commendation to peace, which even he insists he does not yet deserve,” Jeff Zeleny writes in The New York Times.
David Axelrod: “There is one very pregnant question. … How do you reconcile your role as a commander in chief with your aspirations to promote a more peaceful world at a time of war? That’s a question that he’s going to explore in some detail.”
“Administration officials say the speech, which the president is drafting himself, will address the irony of receiving a peace prize a week after ratcheting up the war in Afghanistan, and the need for continued leadership on nuclear disarmament,” Elizabeth Williamson writes in The Wall Street Journal. “It will also test his humility — an element speechwriters across the political spectrum say is important for countering critics who say the prize is based more on his rock-star persona than his achievements.”
ABC’s Karen Travers: “Obama will walk a delicate line in his acceptance speech and the White House said he will acknowledge that he accepts the peace prize as a war president. Aides said he will address Afghanistan and the decision to add troops there and present it in the overall context of the award he is accepting.”
This may not even be his toughest trip to the region this month: “It will be almost impossible for Obama not to disappoint the world when he arrives here next week — in large part because the world keeps ratcheting up the expectations on him,” Politico’s Lisa Lerer writes from Copenhagen.
“When Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency announced Monday that it was declaring global warming a danger to human health, the administration might have hoped it was merely providing a catalyst — a sense of U.S. commitment — on the first day of two weeks of talks here. But leaders from the United Nations and the European Union insist that the EPA endangerment finding is something bigger — proof positive that Obama must have another rabbit to pull from his hat.”
New goal? “Who needs a binding global climate treaty? That was essentially the message delivered by Jonathan Pershing, the Obama administration’s deputy special climate change envoy, when he held an off-the-record briefing for US nongovernmental outfits at the Copenhagen climate summit on Tuesday,” David Corn writes for Mother Jones. “Speaking to about 200 people from various environmental groups, Pershing made the case that a non-binding political agreement — in which the world’s biggest emitters of greenhouse gases would pledge to take various actions to reduce their own emissions — would be more effective than a treaty establishing firm and legally enforceable commitments.”
Advice he’s not going to take, from someone he generally doesn’t take advice from — in the wake of “Climate-gate”: “This scandal obviously calls into question the proposals being pushed in Copenhagen. I’ve always believed that policy should be based on sound science, not politics,” former Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, writes in a Washington Post op-ed. “Without trustworthy science and with so much at stake, Americans should be wary about what comes out of this politicized conference. The president should boycott Copenhagen.”
Surely there won’t be anyone criticizing the president while he’s on foreign soil… “House Republicans are preparing for a trip to Copenhagen and looking to derail Democratic efforts to negotiate an international climate agreement,” Politico’s Jake Sherman writes. “About a half-dozen Republicans will make the trip to Denmark to oppose plans for cap-and-trade legislation, express their discontent with the scientific community that researches climate change and call for the United Nations to halt any negotiations until the academic scandal known as ‘Climategate’ is resolved.”
On jobs — stretching TARP: “ABC News has learned that [Wednesday] the Obama administration is expected to announce it is extending the controversial Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, until October 2010, with the purpose of using it to free up credit for small businesses to expand and for homeowners to secure their mortgages through the Obama administration housing program,” ABC’s Jake Tapper, Charles Herman, and Matt Jaffe report.
The pushback: “It’s a huge shell game to try to give political cover to the fact that he wants to create a new stimulus program of about $200 billion,” Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said on ABC’s “Top Line” Tuesday. “All you’re doing is borrowing more money.”
Not convinced — The Washington Post editorial board: “The fundamental question is how much job-creation ‘bang’ Mr. Obama can hope to get for the additional borrowed bucks. Unfortunately, it’s hard to know, because he offered no dollar amounts and relatively few programmatic specifics.”
Politics Daily’s Jill Lawrence: “Presumably financing will be Topic A or at least B at the White House on Wednesday, when congressional leaders are scheduled to meet with the president to discuss jobs.”
Where it matters: “Obama gave a shot of momentum to congressional efforts to move a package quickly, though it remains unclear when a Senate bogged down with the healthcare debate will take action,” The Hill’s Sam Youngman and Walter Alarkon write.
Going out from the White House Wednesday: “Today President Obama announced nearly $600 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (Recovery Act) awards to support major construction and renovation projects at 85 community health centers nationwide and help networks of health centers adopt Electronic Health Records (EHR) and other Health Information Technology (HIT) systems.”
It’s Coakley in the Kennedy seat — and it wasn’t even close: “Attorney General Martha Coakley easi ly captured the Democratic nomination for the US Senate last night and took a giant step toward smashing the state’s political glass ceiling, as she parlayed her straightforward style and strong appeal among women into an overwhelming victory against a trio of male opponents,” The Boston Globe’s Matt Viser and Frank Phillips write.
“Rolling up large margins in nearly every community in the state, Coakley, 56, became the first woman nominated by a major party for the US Senate in Massachusetts. She will face state Senator Scott P. Brown, who won the Republican Party’s nomination yesterday, in a Jan. 19 special election to fill the seat held for 47 years by the late Edward M. Kennedy.”
“Many of those Democrats who were thought to have been waiting for the chance to run for the Senate declined to enter the race, paving the way for Coakley, the only statewide-elected official in the contest,” Jonathan Martin and Josh Kraushaar write for Politico. “Coakley won nearly every municipality across the state, though narrowly trailed Capuano in the city of Boston. Capuano also carried the academic hubs of Cambridge and Amherst and his home base of Somerville.”
The Kicker:
“If I was a heart patient and Gallup was my EKG I’d visit my doctor… I’m sure a six-year-old with a crayon could do something not unlike that.” — White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.
“I think the doctor might ask him what’s going on in his life that would cause his EKG to be fluctuating so much.” — Frank Newport, Gallup’s editor-in-chief, in response.
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Romney Makes His Case to Conservatives at CPAC
The reason why the President can’t get the support of the constituency that elected him is because we voted for someone who was going to give us real health care reform. The president wants to know if we still do great things in this country? The answer is obviously NO. You have to be willing to make some people angry in order to do so. When we started, 60% of Americans wanted universal coverage or single payer. Now, the repubs spend all their time acting like those of us who don’t support the bill must all be opposed to reform. No. Its just not enough. SCRAP the bill and start OVER.
Posted by: lovebugs | December 9, 2009, 8:48 am 8:48 am
There were a large number of congressmen who pledged to vote against any bill without a public option.
Will they, or was it just talk?
Posted by: Joe White | December 9, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Sorry lovebugs but “we” don’t want anything whatsoever to do with this bill or anything like it. “We” want the private sector to do what the private sector has always done and that is repair all the ills of the fed. gov’t, pick up the slack for the lazy on public assistance, and basically help cure all the problems in American society. “We” hate the federal government and don’t want them touching our healthcare. “We” can do it ourselves. The fed. gov’t is a joke and breaks everything it touches. You need to wise up.
Posted by: penny31 | December 9, 2009, 9:07 am 9:07 am
One point being considered is that everyone over 55-years old will be forced to buy Medicare.
Why is the government deciding this group of Americans’ quality of health care?
Are American citizens 55+ not capable of making their health care decisions?
Perhaps this demographic should cash out and go on welfare.
Posted by: Kate | December 9, 2009, 9:09 am 9:09 am
No one should care about this “last chance”, because the entire proposal is stupid.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 9, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
The weather is getting bad in Washington. Just look out the window today. Having said that, I hope that Reid is not giving us, the people, a snow job as well.
Posted by: James L. | December 9, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Penny said “We want the private sector to do what the private sector has always done and that is repair all the ills of the fed.” The private sector has done a ‘bang up’ job, and with the ball in their court, increases in health-care are off the charts. Same old, same old. They won’t change on their own, and why should they? They continue to rape the unfortunate as well as their own supporters for profit.
Humanity is losing it’s ‘human-ness’ all for the mighty dollars. It will be oour undoing.
Posted by: gdguynbalt | December 9, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
If there is no public option, what is the point of this bill? I think that if people 55 and over lose their jobs and health plans, getting on medicare is good.
Posted by: Kathy | December 9, 2009, 10:30 am 10:30 am
I find it ironic that the ‘Red States’, which push against government programs are the highest recipients of such programs.
The ‘Blue States’ contribute more to federal revenue than they receive.
Posted by: New Wave | December 9, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am
dream on new wave dem states are going oh excuse me they are bankrupt
Posted by: natale from mass. | December 9, 2009, 10:41 am 10:41 am
The dems are digging their political graves by pushing a bill that a majority of the public is against.
Posted by: Pittsburgh Patriot | December 9, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
gdguy: As usual, you bring in the emotional argument and ignore fact. You said:”They continue to rape the unfortunate as well as their own supporters for profit” Do yourself a favor and do your own research, go look up the profit margin for Humana, then Google……
Posted by: stickman | December 9, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am
There is no CHANGE!!! It is STATUS QUO/Democrats and Republicans are dirty. 99.99999% of politicians are one notch below child molesters. The bottom line is our gov’t is lazy, corrupted and useless and most of corporate America is no different. Communism, socialism, democracy and any other ism are just words and ideas in the wind. The truth is that we are slaves to masters. We can not brake away from that system of slavery until we become free from materialism, tyranny, oppression and greed. We will not see this change in our time. It may take a 1000 years of more suffering and pain before man finally realizes that he must evolve into something special. So to have your sanity keep believing in the smoke n mirrors that our politicians and so called spiritual leaders give us. Or you have another choice. It is better to die standing then to live on your knees— Emiliano Zapata The choice is yours. GOOD OLD BOYS!!!!
Posted by: cony007 | December 9, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Scam- it is not about health care and helping the needy, it is all about control of the American people…..This is why it doesn’t take effect until 2013 and still 30 million are not covered.
Posted by: Peter King | December 9, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Ah, its in view now: mandate health insurance. ( which was the goal all along ) Funny thing is, we can’t pay…
Posted by: j1 | December 9, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am
The latest proposal may likely open up Medicare to 55+ from July 2010. So the wingnut rant about 2013 effective date is no longer valid.
Posted by: New Wave | December 9, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am
NEW WAVE,
The reason the red states have more people on goverment programs is because that is where the majority of the blacks live. Democrat entitlement programs are a way of life in the south thanks to democrats. The republican population are sick of it but you dems keep sending them handouts!!! They pay for their food with food stamps, pay for their gas with welfare checks, all while talking on their Obama phones and driving their mercedes to their section 8 house!! ENOUGH WELFARE!!
Posted by: HH | December 9, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
None of this really matters, the USA’a days as a leading super power are numbered. Once the world no longer uses the dollar for world trade, something that is closer than you think, we will not have health care or anything else to worry about….you will spend most of your day trying to survive in the new 3rd world country!
Posted by: David Portland oregon | December 9, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am
The bottom line is that every new deal is a step closer to making reform legislation a reality. It’s another win for Dems and the president.
Posted by: matt | December 9, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Medicare is a good ins. and much cheaper than what we are paying now. My mom had Medicare and a small supplemental BCBS and all of her bills were paid…she was very ill for 4 years and on diallysis. I have a HMO and am paying double what she was plus my employer contributes double what she was paying. I think Medicare for those over 54 is a great idea.
Posted by: Barb | December 9, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am
The obstructionist GOP keeps talking about what the Private sector will do — Well guess what– The Private sector crashed in recession- Less Govt. would have had the banks totally failing, and shered in Bread line depression- Govt. Intervention has so far kept us out of total catastrophe. If you took away Medicaid, Medicare,Social security, Disability and unemployment – The Country would collapse– The less Govt. mantra is a crock– And one, I might add, the GOP champion, till they get reelected. Then deficits don’t matter as Cheney once said. A Public Option would be good but may not be passable with the Paid off Representatives the Insurance lobby has bought!!!
Posted by: brian | December 9, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Do we really want the government in charge of our health care. They can’t even do a receiving line at the White House.
Posted by: Jeff | December 9, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
And by the way, why didn’t the Republicans do something about the healthcare the eight years they were in office? Bush said he would…Instead they had a war that costs billions and in Iraq when we should have been in Aftganistan…it would have been over by now….and also the terriorists have multipled. And then they will blame Pres. Obama.
Posted by: Barb | December 9, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Hey, let’s bastardize Medicare some more. I guess you can “buy in” to the program anytime from 55 to 64…..how much will your premiums be? DUNNO. Must I be retired…after all, it is medicare….DUNNO. We have been scolded by everyone from the President on down that Medicare is going broke…how much will this political proposal to pass this bigger piece of healthcare junk reduce the sooner or later chaos we are told will happen?…DUNNO……but, what the hell, if it helps us get to the 60 votes we need to get home for Christmas…not holidays…for Christmas, for crying out loud vote “yes” on the medicare substitution.
Posted by: justj joey | December 9, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
David Portland oregon | Dec 9, 2009 11:08:41 AM……The US was well on its way to what you describe under Bush II; control by the Dems began in 2006, with many of the decisions Obama is critical of, he was part of; but with the ‘fundamentally change America’ policies, we have accelerated that pace. Many people who voted for Obama, have decided they now are concerned with his decisions. If they speak out against these policies, we may be able to slow that pace. But only a return to fiscal sanity will return the US to its former status.
Posted by: deanbob | December 9, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Barb said: ” I think Medicare for those over 54 is a great idea.”
I think this is a grand Idea.. then I will retire at 54, my 401k is shot anyway, get on medicare and NOT WORK ANOTHER LICK the rest of my life. Like my MOM and DAD, my house is paid for and they have Medicare with a sup., but they worked their ###es off until they were 64!
Hell, that means ALL of us can quit working at 54!
Posted by: ajax | December 9, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Yes, those 1 and 2 week jobs really went a long way to employing millions of unemployed! How about all that money that supposedly went to districts that don’t exist? If Obama wants to divert TARP money to infrastructure spending, why hasn’t he spent the stimulus money that’s already allocated?
Posted by: deanbob | December 9, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
You folks are just lazy, medicare, medicade, ss, post office, the fed, fannie, freddie, all BROKE. They are a joke, just like this garbage. If you ran your household the way the gov runs theirs they call it bankruptcy. Get your head out of the sand and save for your own retirement, insurance, home, and healthcare. If these stupid programs were not there to begin with you wouldn’t depend on them would you?
Posted by: stickman | December 9, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
ajax | Dec 9, 2009 11:27:48 AM….After we set the age at 54, we can abolish work all together and everything we all need will automatically be provided. Yes!!!!!
Posted by: deanbob | December 9, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Liberals and Democrats should educate themselves and understand that this bill is not the way to go. This bill is unacceptable. Read it yourselves.
How can anyone support a bill that enables politicians and lobbyists to determine what kind of treatment options you as the patient can and cannot receive? If you and your doctor decide upon a specific treatment option and if it is not on the “treatment checklist” created by politicians and democrats, then you will not be covered for that treatment. This is a downright disgusting display of a government takeover.
What this bill is doing is having politicians and lobbyists treat the symptoms, disease, surgeries, etc rather than have your doctor treat you as the patient. This is bad for all of us.
Posted by: WoW | December 9, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
brian—– I seem to recall the GOP was against the public option from the beginning. Maybe the Dems are starting to actually see the light. Still, the majority of we the people are against this legislation. We need true health care reform, not a government subsidized insurance company.
Posted by: lfrichar | December 9, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
One more thing before I get the do gooders against me…. I certainly do believe that we should help the “less fortunate”, that however is not you. Get off the computer and do something.
Posted by: stickman | December 9, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
lfrichar | Dec 9, 2009 11:37:30 AM…..I think it is obvious to many that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don’t care what the people (of all parties) want. They are driven by what those who contributed many millions (billions?) of $$$$ want.
Posted by: deanbob | December 9, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
stickman | Dec 9, 2009 11:39:14 AM…..Ben Franklin said the uncomfort of poverty should be the motivation to get out of it. But too much welfare has removed that incentive.
Posted by: deanbob | December 9, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
In the space of 12 hours Mitch McConnell’s webpage had 2 opposing views on Medicare. The screenshots were so funny and unbelievable. President Obama/Sen Reid are using advanced Chess moves on the GOP and the GOP are running round in circles.
They are hell bent on removing 2 words ‘Public Option’ from the bill not knowing that the bill now contains even better ideas than what the Public Option plan had.
They planned to campaign in 2010 on TARP funds being a waste, now the funds are almost breaking even and will be used for main street-oriented small business programs. Part of it will even go towards reducing the deficit.
The GOP chips are gradually being taken away from them. Yet they keep mouthing off meaningless slogans.
Posted by: New Wave | December 9, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
deanbob — It’s almost been like a competition between Reid and Pelosi. First, Pelosi comes out with her 2018 page legislation, then Reid pushed his. If they would read them, they are probably identical. They are difficult to read and reference so many other programs it’s ridiculous. On top of all that, it doesn’t address the rising cost of health care. So, as health care rises, so will the insurance premiums, unless the government adds more money to subsidize even more. We have high health care costs and the governments answer is a government subsidized insurance company….What a crock!
Posted by: lfrichar | December 9, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
New Wave —- Campaigning on TARP? Yeah, no I don’t think so. Seeing as Obama missed his unemployment rate by over 2%, he better ensure this $200 billion creates an awful lot of jobs because he missed his 3 million by over 2.5 million. They did about as good as cash for clunkers.
Posted by: lfrichar | December 9, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
it was bad enough with the Dems in congress the last 3 years and a not so good president (bush). Now we have an antiAmerican president that is trying to make us a 3rd world country. How’s that hope and change working for you today?
Posted by: jjj | December 9, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
ABC where is the news about Penn (hillary’s buddie) getting 6 million stimulus dollars to save 3 jobs at his firm???????????????????? This is the most corrupt administration in the history of this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: jjj | December 9, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
jjj — Also, Penns firm received almost $3 million for advertising the switch to digital TV. What’s so big about that? Well, Axelrod used to work for that firm and that firm still owed Axelrod $2 million from previous wages! Nothing like payoffs right in front of our eyes.
Posted by: lfrichar | December 9, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Kate, the government is NOT considering FORCING everyone over 55 to buy into Medicare. It is an OPTION. So many people spew false information around to make a point and it all sounds good until you realize they don’t know what they are talking about. And Penny31, the private sector does not solve problems…they make as much money as possible and will stop at nothing to increase profits. Its the government that helps ensure the food you buy is edible, the toys you buy don’t have lead in them, etc. Its because of the government that the private sector is held accountable and the people are not taken advantage of as much.
Posted by: kevin | December 9, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
JJJ You are deluded if you think Obama is responsible for the Financial state of the Country– Bush had a surplus 8 years ago from Clinton which he squandered on Two wars — and tax cuts for the wealthy( Bush being the only President in history to give tax cuts during wartime) The upper class paid 90% plus during WW11
Bush lowered their taxes. So stop blaming Obama who was left the greatest financial Crisis since the Great Depression!!!!
Posted by: brian | December 9, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Why does our government make things so difficult? They couldn’t look to other countries to see what they did????
Posted by: TED | December 9, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
If there isn’t single payer or a public option for working poor people, it would only be humane to give the poor working people who will die waiting for health care a prescription for insulin so they can overdose themselves and die without the pain of wasting away over years. The Republican plan is for us to die quickly then give us some help there at least.
Posted by: Brenda | December 9, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Health Care Legislation in the Senate? BCS Playoff Legislation in the House? How much do these matter if you can’t pay for food or home because congress hasn’t dealt with the expiring unemployment extensions. Unemployment extensions are needed immediately because they lapse on Dec. 31. Health care is important, but it is long term. Unemployment is immediate. I’m shocked by the lack of coverage this gets. It’s not glamorous and it might not get you an appearance on the Sunday talk shows, but you will be helping millions of Americans. Isn’t that worth it?
Posted by: Bob | December 9, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
nice health bill dems…i bet it will be as successful as the stimulus bill. frankly anything is better than a public option. time to pull ourselves up off the couch, away from NFL football and find a job or create a job…obama and pelosi are not going to save us or give you the health care they duped you on.time to buy a caulk gun…by the way those jobs are going to the unions.
Posted by: catman | December 9, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Giving our healthcare plan management and the regulation of the private insurers over to the OPM will be only as good as the Administration in office at the time. If GW Bush were in office and we had this OPM overseeing healthcare, just where do you think we would be regarding the private insurers cutting their rates and being willing to cover people with pre-existing conditions? Would the Bush Administration enforce these actions? We need a bill that flat out provide rules that provide affordable healthcare for the masses, no matter who is in office and how they feel about it.
Posted by: lwba | December 9, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
ted we dont look to other countries…they look to us and then steal our ideas and sell products we invented…its called china.
Posted by: catman | December 9, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Brian, I can’t wait untill the Bush tax cuts expire and EVERYONE’S taxes go up. Look it up player it’s not just the rich, then when you make just enough to not get the subsidy for healthcare insurance that you are forced to buy and your energy bills go up at least $100.00 a month (Barry’s estimate) This joke of a term will come to a quick end.
Posted by: stickman | December 9, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
brain : so your ok with the 800 billion stimulus that did nothing but lose jobs ? I agree it was not good when he got here but he has made it worse. remember the fanny freddie mess was all Dems.
Posted by: jjj | December 9, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
To: Kay Hagan cc: Richard Burr, Heath Shuler
I follow voting records and it appears you cast a wrong vote on S.Amdt. 2962: to prohibit the use of Federal funds for abortions.
I just have to ask what do you have against precious little babies that you would cast a vote in favor of using federal funds for their dismemberment and destruction?
I am concerned that you may support the ObamaCare bill as well since this is the second incorrect vote concerning it. I will be working on a letter to the editor concerning your stance.
Please wake up to the reality of the $12 trillion national debt which Obama and the congress he seemingly owns plans to double to $24 trillion by year 2019. ObamaCare plays a significant role in this increase.
It seems that there is no problem so bad that foolish politicians cannot make it worse!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | December 9, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
reid, Polosi and Boxer are history. They will not be in any house after their next elections. 23% approval rating tells me if I was them that I was in trouble for not listening to my bosses the AMERICAN voter
Posted by: Jim Rod | December 9, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
The Democrat plan:
“hmmm insurance is very expensive, overpriced we think. Many people can’t seem to afford it, so let’s pass a law that FORCES them to buy it”
CBO has already said that premiums on the ‘Public Option’ would likely be AS HIGH or HIGHER than private plans.
How is that ‘helping the poor’?
Then they add huge fines and the threat of JAIL time if you don’t buy insurance.
wow Democrats, is that what ‘reform’ is all about, sending Americans to jail?
oh yeah I guess so because once you’re in jail, your health care is covered!
Posted by: Joe White | December 9, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
brian – You said “Bush had a surplus 8 years ago from Clinton which he squandered on Two wars”
The debt of the federal government was January 20 1993 when Slick Willy took office $4,188,092,107,183.60 and on January 20 2001 when he left it was $5,727,776,738,304.64 resulting in an increase of $1,539,684,631,121.04 during his entire administration. On January 20 2000 the debt of the federal government was $5,706,174,969,873.86 which is still an increase of $21,601,768,430.78 thus not agreeing with your argument that the Slickster had a surplus when he left office. When politicians claim to have a balanced budget they are using smoke and mirrors as they count borrowed money as money they can spend and use to up the spending level of the budget. You do not have a balanced budget if you are counting on borrowed money to use in your budget. You don’t do it from year to year in your life because you know that you have to pay it back some time so your personal budget may from time to time include borrowed funds but you also pay the interest and principal over time to clear the debt. Somehow the federal government does not believe in this financial principal that all of us have to follow in our daily lives, it wouldn’t be so bad if they only occasionally did it but the last administration to actually reduce the debt of the federal government was that of Herbert Hoover.
The problem is government, career politicians have taken over and their first job priority is either getting elected to office or getting re-elected. Their next job priority which is far below the first is to pass legislation the people need. Ask yourself would you spend millions of dollars for a job which pays only slightly more than $200k per year and in the case of a member of the House of Representatives do it every two years? It is time to get rid of the career politician and get folks in office who are there to do the people’s business rather than line their own pockets. All present Congressmen and all running for Congress in the future should be asked to fully support proposed Constitutional amendment COE09E33. This is a simple easy to understand two page bill, Google COE09E33 to read it for yourself. This one simple bill would result in change that we the people could really believe in.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | December 9, 2009, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
For profit= rationed care and denials same old same old. Insurance companies are powerful and donate heavily so they can continue to hurt the people of this country for profit.
Posted by: Hege1321 | December 9, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Does the bill reduce health care costs? No
Does the bill provide a means for all to be insured? No
So, what is the purpose of any of it?
Evidently it is critical that a Health Care Bill gets passed because they said they would. Who cares that it does not improve any aspect of the health care problems. Perfect.
Posted by: Ronjon | December 9, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
All I can say is it sucks to be our president, I think he bit off more than he could handle….I am one to give him props, being that I supported him for a short time, but the truth is, hes out of touch with America….GOD BLESS US ALL
Posted by: israel | December 9, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
“Sorry lovebugs but ‘we’ don’t want anything whatsoever to do with this bill or anything like it. ‘We’ want the private sector to do what the private sector has always done and that is repair all the ills of the fed. gov’t, pick up the slack for the lazy on public assistance, and basically help cure all the problems in American society. ‘We’ hate the federal government and don’t want them touching our healthcare. ‘We’ can do it ourselves. The fed. gov’t is a joke and breaks everything it touches. You need to wise up.”
By “we”, of course, penny, you mean “you”. You need to clue in that you are not the majority. Most Americans DO want the government to fix healthcare, because it’s the private sector that’s ruined it.
Posted by: Cal | December 9, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Ed Taylor, would you vote to increase, decrease, or leave welfare where it is for now and forever?
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Posted by: secreg756 | December 9, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck…They are calling it an insurance arrangement that will be supervised by a federal agency and it’s for people without insurance. IT’S A PUBLIC OPTION. And they’re not saying anything about how it will be funded. At the same time they’re extending our financially insecure medicare system without revealing how they’ll fund that. And they have the audacity to redirect TARP money being repaid by the financial sector from its legislated application of paying down our national debt. More stimulus money without congressional approval, and the bulk of the original stimulus money sits uninvested while most of what has been invested can’t be accounted for. Wasn’t the promise that we taxpayers would get the TARP money back with interest, that it would be applied to the national debt which amounts to taxpayer liability?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | December 9, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
“But part of what makes this breakthrough stand out is that it builds on fresh ideas in a debate where it seemed everything had been said…”
Grow up, Rick. These ideas have been sitting on the sidelines throughout. When Bachus outlined his orig. Sen. committee’s bill, who was the dark haired woman standing to his right? She was a member of his staff who had just stepped down as Vice President of a major insurer! Think she took that staff job to promote government run insurance?
A couple months ago, on this board, I wrote that I believed that the government option would disappear or would be reduced to accepting people who were very high risk or otherwise uninsurable.
In either case, the for-profit insurers get a big boost in both subscribers or reduced probability of paying big money.
Watch. Next the insurers will make sure their puppets in D.C. don’t prevent them from denying coverage or limit the tricks they use to deny people already insured.
But, having those points in the ORIGINAL bills, the Congressmen can go back to their constituents and say, “I tried to get that done, but it just wouldn’t pass that way,” and wriggle off the hook that would have caught them doing NOTHING about the most important points.
Posted by: The_Mick | December 9, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck. I gree with that statement. the rest of your posting is so full of holes it’s Swiss Cheese. Apparently you are not fully aware of the facts and meanings of the public option v other choices. There are no other real substanitive choices thyat will work. They will only make the insurance industry richer, the American people poorer, and the CEO’s of the health cartels richer than they ever deserved to be.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck…They are calling it an insurance arrangement that will be supervised by a federal agency and it’s for people without insurance. IT’S A PUBLIC OPTION. And they’re not saying anything about how it will be funded. At the same time they’re extending our financially insecure medicare system without revealing how they’ll fund that. And they have the audacity to redirect TARP money being repaid by the financial sector from its legislated application of paying down our national debt. More stimulus money without congressional approval, and the bulk of the original stimulus money sits uninvested while most of what has been invested can’t be accounted for. Wasn’t the promise that we taxpayers would get the TARP money back with interest, that it would be applied to the national debt which amounts to taxpayer liability?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | Dec 9, 2009 4:48:24 PM
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Posted by: secreg756 | December 9, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm