POTUS (Still) Copenhagen Bound, Despite Setbacks in Denmark

I hope he is taking some green transportation to get there.

How much CO2 will Obama be producing when he takes his flying SUV to Hopenchangen?

“The elements of getting an agreement are there if countries like China will make some common sense agreements about transparency.”
Glad to see the President doing his job as America’s head diplomat. There is no real cost to America having him go to the table to discuss an issue that most of the world is taking very seriously and absolutely no downside to being seen as more reasonable than China. Obama isn’t a king flitting about out of boredom, he’s the President and interfacing with other countries to ensure good relations is his job. (Something that has been accepted and well handled by 9 out of 10 of our last presidents.)

jhw539-Times have changed, reality has set in. We are broke. It doesn’t matter what presidents did before as far as wasting tax dollars to hobnob with foreign officials. Obama should telecommute or fly commercial. And what can come of this conference. We pay reparations to poor countries. We do some cap and trade nonsense. Besides if you look at the history of the earth’s temperatures, we are in a very cool period. In other words, we are due for a warmup.

He’s so green in his 747′s

Obama isn’t a king flitting about out of boredom, he’s the President and interfacing with other countries to ensure good relations is his job.
Posted by: jhw539 |
Last night you called him a liar and a fool. Today you are slurping him over his handling of foreign relations. Why don’t you cite an example or two of Obama’s foreign successes. We’ll compare and contrast those with Israel, England, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, France, China, Russian and Honduras, to name a few of the non-successes.

Funny that Obama has to go out of the country to get any positive attention.
Teleconferences to save the planet!

Fascist Hyena-The Carter Doctrine is what started much of the hatred. It is ironic. Carter was not as peaceful as some may think.

Hope Copenhagen Int’l doesn’t delay AF 1 due to the snowfall.

it sounds like China and India are the only countries acting with some sense.

A blizzard in Copenhagen.
Too funny.
Look outside Al!!!

Will Obama take Valerie, Oprah, and Michelle on this trip to Copenhagen?
It worked out so well last time.

“A blizzard in Copenhagen.
Too funny.
Look outside Al!!!”
People made it happen!

He never made any such promise. McCain did, but Obama never, ever made that promise.
Posted by: jhw539 |
google “we are going to ban all earmarks”.
Foghorn Leghorn | Dec 17, 2009 1:25:39 PM
More lying. That was in DIRECT reference to the stimulus bill, which did indeed ban earmarks (although a handful did slip through – not a surprise with a $787 measure). The post I was replying asked “What happened to his promise to ban earmarks?” in reference to the *current* spending bill. Obama NEVER MADE ANY SUCH BLANKET PROMISE. And he actually took some hits during the campaign for refusing to match McCain’s blanket promise made during the debate.
Did someone hijack your login name? You’re acting like a chariacture of a ‘lying right winger’ today.

The post I was replying asked “What happened to his promise to ban earmarks?” in reference to the *current* spending bill. Obama NEVER MADE ANY SUCH BLANKET PROMISE. And he actually took some hits during the campaign for refusing to match McCain’s blanket promise made during the debate.
Posted by: jhw539 |
Moving the goal posts again, I see.
You claimed he never, ever said it. He did. Yes it was directed at Porkulus I (oh, and what you call a “few” earmarks was in fact the second most earmarks EVER in one bill.)
If you were only talking about the current spending bill then the repeated references to John McCain and the campaign make no sense at all.
Still waiting on that list of foreign policy successes. I’ll hold my breath.
Tools and fools. Today’s Democratic party.

–Moving the goal posts again, I see.–
Kind of like “global warming” to “climate change.” ‘Scuse me while I cherry-pick data…

The news outlets have been citing over and over all the problems going on in Copenhagen. The Danish text, Africa and the G77 walkout, China balking over the US.
Is this really phony posturing?
Last time Obama went to Copenhagen he really embarrassed himself. I am sorry but as we all REALLY know a President doesn’t go to make a pitch for something unless ‘the fix is already in’.
The same could be said of his trip to Asia. In both instances our President came back empty handed.
Contrast that to former President Bill Clinton running to grab the two Al Gore reporters from North Korea. Would he have gone there if it wasn’t already decided the women were going to be released? Of course not only an ‘amateur’ makes that mistake.
So one wonders if our current President has learned that lesson. Is he going to save COP15 from the chaos or is he just going to add to it?
Right now his poll numbers are down and part of the reason is people now believe he isn’t up to the job as President. Coming back empty handed once again more people will join the ‘magic’ has rubbed off group.
While I am not a real believer in AGW I AM a believer in a strong President when it comes to foreign affairs.

From Russian with love…
Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.
The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory. Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country’s territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports. Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.
The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.
The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating uninterrupted observations.
On the whole, climatologists use the incomplete findings of meteorological stations far more often than those providing complete observations.
IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations.
The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

“Have you ever heard of the IPCC, the Intergovernment Panel on Climate Change created in the 80′s by the UN to provide research summaries in the field?”
Yes, I have. It is composed of “scientists” who have a vested interest in making claims that AGW is “real”. No more AGW, no more funding for these “scientists”.
The AGW research field is a corrupted industry.

“the President is still committed to going.”
Really. What a surprise. Another chance to take a plane ride on us and add to his own ever-expanding global footprint.
What’s the total up to now in Copenhagen? How many tons of CO2 (not to mention the hot air). It’s amazing all the hot air over there hasn’t warmed the place up to equator-like temps!

Snow and freezing temps in Copenhagen. Priceless.
Putz

the entire “Climategate” argument from our right-wing bloggers is based completely on a British wingnut blogger citing Russian sources.

Russia is not going to play nice.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn
we’ll just have to nuke em’, before they get us

–See POTUS last trip to Copenhagen to close the deal on the 2016 Olympics.–
How’d that work out?

This should be great for Obama he can sign onto some stupid climate agreement while the China, Russia & India laugh at us.

Let’s quit the name-calling. Can we all agree that the United States should convene its own objective, transparent Climate Truth Commission and stop outsourcing our climate science to the United Nations? It defies common sense that we allow the UN to serve as both judge and advocate (IPCC & Kyoto Protocol, Copenhagen).
– Robert M

HOWARD DEAN: I’m going to support President Obama when he runs for re-election. Not vigorously. I’m going to vote for him.

“Democrats have regained the slim edge they enjoyed earlier this year over Republicans in the latest update of Gallup’s generic congressional ballot for the 2010 House elections, and now have a slight 48% to 45% lead among registered voters.” Gallup

SCARY HARRY HIDES THE HEALTH BILL!
The Bill being debated is NOT the bill that will be voted upon, only Reids conference knows what in the real Bill

Flag-Waving Communists & Socialists March in Copenhagen to Stop Global Warming…
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and Obama and Gore will be right with the commies

Union pulls back on supporting Dem health care bill…

NBCNEWSWSJ POLL: Americans Souring on Democrats…

and Obama and Gore will be right with the commies
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You right wingers and Republicans have to make up your mind – is Obama pandering to Wall Street, the Banks and the Health Insurance industry OR is he a commie redistributing the wealth to the poor?
You seem very confused.

tierra:
never heard of a conservative complaining that he is pandering to insurance companies…remember, we LOVE capitalism. Get yer facts straight.

We heard on 12/10 from the Chinese delegate at Copenhagen that population control was key to global warming policies. Does America even know about China’s one-child policy? Tyrannical China is the leading country in social injustices. Their one-child policy is a complete stripping of a human’s basic freedoms not to mention their oppression of religious liberties.
Nevertheless, Obama is steadfastly “committed” to these people. Obama will put these people before America. He is committed to wrecking global freedom because he is not a man of his own conviction, only somebody else’s. Jumping on the global warming bandwagon is the latest jetsetting trend and Obama is just following the latest popularity herd.
Global warming politics is science you say? Nonsense. Bastardized science, complete with tainted figures, scuttled data, and covering up of facts to prop up the theory that MAN is shaping universal temperatures. This geocentric view that man is the center of the universe was, as it is now, framed solely for one purpose: to establish worldwide control of the masses.
China would be spreading its errors all over the globe. This will be the result of “manmade global warming”: manmade global policies that dictates our lives.

Nevertheless, Obama is steadfastly “committed” to these people. Obama will put these people before America.
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Bullcrap. More business with China was orchestrated under Bush that Obama has even had a chance to contemplate.

Copenhagen summit veering towards farce

Posted by: mjishernameo | Dec 17, 2009 5:11:32 PM
So what?

What a difference a year makes. The stock market has come a long way in the past 12 months and so have President Obama’s approval ratings, but in the opposite direction.
The latest WSJ/NBC News poll shows Obama’s approval ratings have slipped below 50% for the first time in his presidency and have suffered the steepest first-year decline in modern American history.
There’s good reason Obama’s poll numbers have fallen, most notably his mishandling of the banks, as Henry and I discuss here and in the accompanying clip. Obama may talk tough about “fat-cat bankers” but the actions of his administration suggest policy is still being conducted at their behest.

colonized mars??? huh?
hahahhahahahahahahahahahah

CNN Poll of Polls: Obama approval rating stabilizes
According to a CNN Poll of Polls compiled and released Thursday, Obama’s approval rating in polls taken in the past week averages out to 50 percent, with 44 percent saying they disapprove.
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And Obama’s approval rating far surpasses that of the Republican party on ALL of the issues.
And the Democrats have regained the edge with registered voters.
“Democrats have regained the slim edge they enjoyed earlier this year over Republicans in the latest update of Gallup’s generic congressional ballot for the 2010 House elections, and now have a slight 48% to 45% lead among registered voters.”

“Obama to put political capital on the line at climate change conference.”
Oh no, doubling down on a losing hand. This does not bode well for America.
How can this administration justify the $100 billion and jet fuel when we are so far in debt?

How can you justify one hundred billion dollars??? Obama’s thinking if it gives the impression that global warming is a valid issue and makes him the hero in the eyes of some, then 100 billion dollars of tax payers’ money is a small price to pay…come on you know his MO by now…It’s Obama,s world we just happen to live in it…Those of us who disagree can just deal with it…until 2010 anyway…

You right wingers should acquaint yourselves with some history and facts.
Reagan fell as low as 35% during his first term – and was re-elected. Obama is no where near that . ..

because his INTERVENTIONS HAD EXCELLENT BENEFIT TO THIS COUNTRY …we cut taxes, people were prosperous, crime went down and the country was very, very happy.
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According to whom?
If you explore this issue a bit and google around, the data bears out the fact that the economy of the Reagan years was a story of an inflationary recession followed by recovery, but not one of any sustained or true improvement in performance. We didn’t see that until the Clinton years.
In fact, as Krugman has put it, Reaganomics was a one-hit wonder. (I love that. Its so true if you take a good long look at the graphs.)
By the time Reagan took office, stagflation was near its end and according to many economists, that can be credited to a move away from monetarism and a three year contraction (which started during the last year of Carter’s term) of the money supply by the Fed under Paul Volcker as well as to the 1980s oil glut.
In addition, I find it hilarious that some folks worry about the deficit on the one hand, and then cite Reagan or Reaganomics on the other. He tripled the deficit and flipped us from a creditor into a debtor nation. I read somewhere that due to the defense buildup under Reagan, Pentagon spending during his administrated averaged $34 million an hour.
And , frankly, not everyone was prosperous. My family sure wasn’t, nor were most of the families in my neighborhood. By the late 1980s, middle-class incomes weren’t much higher—if at all– than they had been a decade before, and the poverty rate had risen. So, while the wealthy unquestionably benefited from their huge tax cuts, the poor and lower middle class lost much ground.
As Bill Clinton once put it, the Reagan-Bush years “exalted private gain over public obligation, special interests over the common good, wealth and fame over work and family. The 1980s ushered in a Gilded Age of greed and selfishness, of irresponsibility and excess, and of neglect.”
And W. wasn’t all that much different , though Bushonomics caused actual pain, grief and a near depression.
Lastly, have you all seen this? It gets at the approval rating comparisons between Obama and Reagan:
From the AP, via Media Matters, Dec. 20, 1981:
The public’s confidence in the economy and opinion of President Reagan’s performance remain near their lowest levels since he took office, according to the latest Associated Press-NBC News poll.
The nationwide poll, of 1,602 adults telephoned Dec. 14-15 in a scientific random sampling, said 48 percent think Reagan is doing a good or excellent job as president. Last month, the president’s approval rating was 46 percent, his lowest since it peaked at 66 percent last spring.

“US President Barack Obama has launched intense after-hours diplomacy with China, hoping to salvage a new world climate pact after warning that an imperfect deal would be better than no pact at all.”
My take? At least we’re trying. There’s not a whole lot we can do– and there never really was given the status of meaningful climate change legislation, the economy and the opposition at home– but I remain grateful that the President went to Copenhagen, and that we’re not kicking this down the road and ignoring the issue completely (though I understand the disappointment of small island countries and environmental activists). Baby steps with an eye on the ball and the long game.