By Gorman Gorman

Dec 1, 2009 8:21pm

President Obama Makes Two Immediate References to What He Sees As Bush-Cheney Policy Failures

From the cheap seats here at West Point…

President Obama made two immediate references to what he sees as Bush-Cheney failures — one obvious, one a bit more oblique.

1) President Obama said starting in early 2003 and "for the next six years the Iraq War drew the dominant share of our troops, our resources, our diplomacy, and our national attention – and that the decision to go into Iraq caused substantial rifts between America and much of the world." And "while we have achieved hard-earned milestones in Iraq, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated."

2) In his 3rd graph the president made a reference to the Taliban as "a ruthless, repressive and radical movement that seized control of that country after it was ravaged by years of Soviet occupation and civil war, and after the attention of America and our friends had turned elsewhere."

Keep in mind what Obama's National Security Council chief of staff Denis McDonough said earlier today on MSNBC – as pointed out by Politico's Laura Rozen -- about criticisms from Vice President Cheney.

"If you go back to…the early 1990s when then Vice President Cheney was the Secretary of Defense," McDonough said, "we made a very grave mistake when we walked away from Afghanistan and Pakistan."

-jpt

User Comments

Whine, whine, whine – that’s the modus operandi of the ‘most powerful man in the world.’

Posted by: bullmoosegal | December 1, 2009, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

Of course Obama blames Bush. Obama is a classless ignorant president.

Posted by: jonny | December 1, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

When does BlameBush(TM) stop? I know Obama expected to not have to work, since all he needed to get elected was no experience and a flashy smile, but sorry Mr. President. Being President means more than throwing parties, jamming a socialist agenda down our throats, and inviting celebrities to the White House.

Posted by: Joe Coctosen | December 1, 2009, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Nice to hear from an adult as President.

Posted by: doug | December 1, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

.. let me get a photo with you now, then I can get one with you in your coffin

Posted by: nothing more than a photo-op | December 1, 2009, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

Who were you listening to tonight? An “adult” takes responsibility and doesn’t blame others for everything.

Posted by: Quirkle | December 1, 2009, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

GALLUP: Obama Approval on Afghanistan at 35%…

Posted by: nothing more than a photo-op | December 1, 2009, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Whoever said it was nice to ehar from a President who acts like an adult must be living on mars or something. This is the most childish President we have ever had in this country!

Posted by: Teri | December 1, 2009, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

Breaking news::::: President Obama REFUSES to identify 911 hijackers as TERRORIST

Posted by: nothing more than a photo-op | December 1, 2009, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

If you go back….Yes and if we go back 24 months from now what will it look like Mr. McDonough. And remember that the Secretary of defense serves at the behest of the President. But never mind that, this blame stuff is for the birds. The blame this guy gives his predecessor makes me wonder if he would excuse himself on someones grave, especially someone he apparently dislikes. Suck it up Mr. President, if it were easy we would have any ole fool doing your job.

Posted by: david | December 1, 2009, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

Obama sounds like a whiney adolescent. He asked for the job so quit *itching about it already.

Posted by: Diana | December 1, 2009, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

Its his war now he had the opportunity to withdraw but chose to fight this war so he needs to stop blaming busch and quit making excuses.

Posted by: tammy | December 1, 2009, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

Blame Bush, dither dither dither, Blame Bush.
That’s Obama’s first 10 months in a nutshell.

Posted by: Huh? | December 1, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

From the cheap seats, a comment on the cheap shots at both Mr. Bush and Mr. Clinton (for, did not Mr. Clinton also take his eyes off the Taliban, and didn’t Mr. Clinton also rattle his WMD sabers at Mr. Hussein)?

Posted by: unclesmrgol | December 1, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

I can’t believe these comments. You mean to tell me we weren’t distracted by Iraq? Do you mean we had enough troups in Afghanistan on Jan. 20? The president has to try to rally the public to a war the started EIGHT YEARS AGO! All public opinion polls show the public is tired of Afghanistan. Yes he does have to give a broad recap of why we’re there and why we have to fight this fight. If anyone needs to stop whining it’s his critics like ‘light footprint’ Cheney. Do want the troops sent or don’t you?

Posted by: be real | December 1, 2009, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

What are you guys talking about? That about is childish and ignorant?
Well, ignorant is years of suffering and still there for someone else’s interest. Childish because yo dont agree with his plan. I guess you patience is childish.. you have to make decisions based on what’s right and feasible. Iraq has been a mistake and everyone knows that. Afghanistan has been the focus since day one of Obama. We are tired of this war and if they can help themselves I guess your contradicting your own policies republican! This is a good plan we need to focus on us. Bring the 10 billion dollars home each month from the war to see if that wont create jobs? Whether Afghanistan can be train is the real question, but they have to learn survival skills otherwise we’ll be babysitting for more than 30 years. Is Everyone effort not just Americans!

Posted by: Jody | December 1, 2009, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

“Suck it up Mr. President, if it were easy we would have any ole fool doing your job”
I don’t think everybody who voted for John McCain thinks being President is easy.

Posted by: Skip | December 1, 2009, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

I wish this Community Organizer wet behind his ears better take a good look in the mirror at himself.

Posted by: Joeray | December 1, 2009, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

Did I see several “future Officers” sleeping during their Commander-in-Chief’s speach? When I went through Basic training, the worst thing a new soldier could do was fall asleep during a class. What is going on at West Point?

Posted by: RetiredArmy | December 1, 2009, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

If the president can’t take responsibility for his own actions, then he should resign.

Posted by: Jeff | December 1, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

“President Obama made two immediate references to what he sees as Bush-Cheney failures”
You’re reaching pretty hard here to make a headline. During the campaign Obama AND McCain made many full on direct attacks on Bush failures. Bute the comments of Obama’s you cited are hardly attacks until you provide intrepretation that requires that context; and McCain would likely have made similar attacks.
And when Obama said, “while we have achieved hard-earned milestones in Iraq,” he is making an “attack” (by your definition) on himself and his well publicized opposition to the surge. Obama isn’t flinging mud and attacking, we saw how his shop looks like when they do that during the campaign. Here he is laying out his rational argument with supporting evidence, and yeah – ‘these policies were wrong, failed utterly and therefore need to change’ is important supporting evidence.
Bush’s neglect of Afghanistan was wrong and Obama’s blanket opposition to the surge in Iraq was also wrong, therefore we shouldn’t repeat them.

Posted by: jhw539 | December 1, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Anyone can do what Obama has and is continuing to do, make false promises, lie, add an additional 30,000 people to our health care(and bill us for it),send additional troops to Afganistan(at a cost of an additional $30million on top of the $60 million it’s already going to cost US, for a grand total of $90million!!!!!
And if that didn’t hurt enough, he refuses to call muslims who attack us on our own soil and kill 13 of our SERVICE MEN AND WOMAN, terrorists!! By the way why hasn’t the President of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, order Maj.Hassan to be tried as a terrorist in a military court(THE SAME ONE THAT TRIES OUR TROOPS!!)?

Posted by: joann | December 1, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

The little boys in men size shoes screwed this war up, and left it and a Strategy to the “other guy”. Tonight, I saw a President that spoke to the World as an Adult. Not a weakling bully, but a leader. He is cleaning up the Mess left by fools. Tammy…you are defending an inept past President and you can’t spell his name. Since when have you began to follow politics or even cared about America? I know, when Mr. Obama was elected President. Ask yourself why, I already know. And “childish” doesn’t equate to NOT looking like the rest.

Posted by: sara | December 1, 2009, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Afganistan was left “hanging” because the “boys” that started the fire, didn’t know how to put it out! So shut up and let a rational Adult do it.

Posted by: sara | December 1, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Jake, the policies were a failure….look around everyday! Dah!!

Posted by: sara | December 1, 2009, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

Joann..what has the President lied about….did you say anything about the many troops in in Iraq and Afganistan prior to now…maybe if you screamed back then, you wouldn’t be screaming now. Calling names doesn’t nigate the fact that the Al Qaeda killed 3,000 plus Americans on 9/11. Isn’t that’s the reason Why we went there in 2001? Oh, I see you forgot.

Posted by: sara | December 1, 2009, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Hindsight is 20/20 isn’t it? And what may have seemed like a good plan years ago might look awful today. No doubt any job worth doing is usually hard and no one is correct all the time. So Bush screwed up, according to the President. He may have but is it really necessary to bring the point up? Couldn’t we all say look Mr. president, you said the stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%. It didn’t. You missed the mark by a few million. While we may comment about it no one else is embarrasing him by publicly pointing it out. So again I say suck it up, be a man and be a leader and be a President for all the people.
And please! Stop allowing the dregs of society stumble around uninvited at your cocktail parties. It makes the country look bad.

Posted by: david | December 1, 2009, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

America created a dictator monster in Iraq, and Bush fixed it. America created an Islamic terrorist monster in Afghanistan, and Obama is fixing it. The difference is, the Iraq fight was justified by a Cheney-lead conspiracy to go to war on the false premise it had something to do with 911. In contrast, the Afghanistan fight is justified by honest reference to the premise it really did have something to do with 911. In mid-2011, if the plan falls short, Obama can add 20,000 early-2011 and take out 2,000 and observe he started the withdrawal. Where politically will the left go..they have nowhere else to go, and Obama was never a pacifist like them anyway.

Posted by: supportourpresident | December 1, 2009, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

To quote John Kerry: “Mr. President how can you ask somebody to be the last man to die for a mistake?”
My how the opinions of the left have changed in some 30+ years later.
“We marched right in, we can march right out… Just come home”. If you don’t know who said this, you should look it up.

Posted by: jafo | December 1, 2009, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

You asked for this job, it is a hard job, and there are no ‘free passes’ – stop complaining, assigning blame, and making promises you don’t intend to keep.
Just lead the country of of the messes you watched form from your campaign’s 747 while your buddies Reid and Pelosi ran the Senate & Congress (respectively)… This acting suprised at how bad things are is wearing a bit thin.

Posted by: N2vip | December 1, 2009, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

Blaming Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney accomplishes nothing to the work to be done, and added nothing to his speech.
Time to quit blaming others and deal with the situation as it is today. Every president inherits problems from his predecessors. He is starting to find out that criticizing a president is a lot easier than being one, but still he spends time criticizing. Man up Mr. Obama!

Posted by: Terry | December 1, 2009, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

we will fight any foe help any friend

Posted by: Terry | December 1, 2009, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

“And please! Stop allowing the dregs of society stumble around uninvited at your cocktail parties. It makes the country look bad.”
Surely Obama doesn’t have any need to take unsolicited advice from somebody who thinks a state dinner for important foreign dignitaries is a ‘cocktail party’. -Talk about looking bad!

Posted by: Skip | December 1, 2009, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

A year ago we were all in a panic with Bush/Cheney policies leaving our economic system teetering on the edge of collapse. Obama saved our economic system. Never forget that.
Now a year later, Afghanistan is also at a crisis point. Bin Laden was surrounded in 2001. Those who engineered and attacked us on 9/11 were within our grasp. If Afghanistan and Bin Laden was the top priority of Bush/Cheney and they did not have a Saddam fixation, we would not be at this juncture. Never forget that.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | December 1, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

TO everyone on here that is saying that this did not start on bushs watch or whatever is being said on here. stop already. To the people on here that think that Pres Obama does not know that this is his war. Stop. He is sadly aware that he inherited this war because your pal ( the ones that just love idiot boy and his idiot posse) did not finish the job they just decided to start a new one in Iraq. I am a military wife and I have like many other families and troops that have paid the price for not getting the Afghan problem under control. We are tired just as much as the rest of you all.If not alot more. You all who love idiot boy just don’t want to admit it that he (bush failed to get Bin Laden ) so I guess he did not do his job either!!! Hey this is to skip, When you say ole fool, I guess you mean any old republican like McCain right!!! I don’t like this as much as the rest of you.

Posted by: milwife | December 1, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

Obama’s lesser criticism of W shows Obama to be an improvement over W’s greater criticism of B. Clinton. Every president will criticise the predecessor. Obama is a wise man and criticism of W. continues to be minimal.

Posted by: supportourpresident | December 1, 2009, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. -JFK
I was stuck with this mess so I’ll do the minimum to save face hoping I don’t get stuck with a defeat. We can’t really afford this since I’ve already spent us into oblivion with the stimulus and plan to double down with health care, but I’ll still sent in 30k or so, just to satisfy the critics for the time being. Oh well… (paraphrase of Mr Obama, 12/1/2009)

Posted by: Terry | December 1, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

“President Obama made two immediate references to what he sees as Bush-Cheney failures”
You’re reaching pretty hard here to make a headline… Obama isn’t flinging mud and attacking, we saw how his shop looks like when they do that during the campaign. Here he is laying out his rational argument with supporting evidence, and yeah – ‘these policies were wrong, failed utterly and therefore need to change’ is important supporting evidence.
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I totally agree with this. I think this entire article is just meant to put us at each other’s throats at a time when we should be able to come together and support our troops, President Obama and General McCrystal. I have very mixed feelings about war, any war.. but I have strong feelings about national security and giving our troops the resources they need, including a clearly defined mission unrelated to nation building when we have tons to do here at home in regards to shoring up our economy.

Posted by: Cara | December 1, 2009, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

“A year ago we were all in a panic with Bush/Cheney policies leaving our economic system teetering on the edge of collapse. Obama saved our economic system. Never forget that.”
I’ve never laughed harder in my life! LOL! Is this why the “Obama admin approved” unemployment rate is over 10%? He promised with his stimulus it would never get over 9%. Never forget that.
He said the Iraq surge would never work. Now he’s copying Bush/Cheney surge strategy in Afgan. Never forget that.
This one term prez has approval numbers dropping faster than a stone. What goes up must come down. Never forget that.

Posted by: LOL! | December 1, 2009, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

The Afghanistan fight provides pre-emptive positioning in support of the CIA covert activity against Al Qaida in Pakistan, and thereby is a continuation of the Bush doctrine. In mid-2011, if the plan falls short, Obama can add 20,000 early-2011 and take out 2,000 and observe he started the withdrawal. Where politically will the left go..they have nowhere else to go, and Obama was never a pacifist like them anyway.

Posted by: supportourpresident | December 1, 2009, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

Do anyone remembers the “Bush Doctrine?” His “doctrine” was to go to war to prevent a “threat”, be it real or not…..and President Obama is left with a war that is REAL.

Posted by: sara | December 1, 2009, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender… -Churchill
We will send 30k more into the breech, but will have all forces out by 2011… –Obama

Posted by: Terry | December 1, 2009, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

I totally agree with this. I think this entire article is just meant to put us at each other’s throats at a time when we should be able to come together and support our troops
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Is it just me or does Jake Tapper seldom fail to go for the cheap shot?
Raise your standards Jake.

Posted by: tierra | December 1, 2009, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

“A year ago we were all in a panic with Bush/Cheney policies leaving our economic system teetering on the edge of collapse. Obama saved our economic system. Never forget that.”
I’ve never laughed harder in my life! LOL! Is this why the “Obama admin approved” unemployment rate is over 10%? He promised with his stimulus it would never get over 9%.
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Obama never promised with his stimulus the unemployment rate would never get over 9%.
If he did, provide a quote, date and source.
And yes, the free-fall collapse we saw at the end of the Bush term has been staved off.

Posted by: tierra | December 1, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

If you let a bully come in your front yard, he’ll be on your porch the next day and the day after that he’ll rape your wife in your own bed. – LBJ
We will try to get the lower level Taliban to come over to our side… -BHO

Posted by: Terry | December 1, 2009, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm

The biggest surprise?
Obama had an additional prompter that actually let him look the American people in the eye.
But only for a few seconds out of his whole speech/lecture.
As usual he was more egghead than president, more professor than Commander-In-Chief.

Posted by: millie | December 1, 2009, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

The idealistic all-out phrasing of war goals by Churchill and JFK is finally being replaced by prudent realistic, measured, attainable war goals by Obama. This new approach to political expression of war goals is historically significant.

Posted by: supportourpresident | December 1, 2009, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

How can Obama talk about speaking out for human rights knowing he lacked the courage to stand up for the Iranian protesters? He has no shame.
I hope Americans are informed enough to know what a fraud Obama is.

Posted by: ollie | December 1, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

Obama had an additional prompter that actually let him look the American people in the eye.
But only for a few seconds out of his whole speech/lecture.
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p.s. – if ‘eye contact’ is so crucial to you, watch any of the President’s weekly addresses on the White House web site.

Posted by: tierra | December 1, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

As usual he was more egghead than president, more professor than Commander-In-Chief.
millie | Dec 1, 2009 10:51:03 PM
Only a Republican considers calling someone highly intelligent an insult…

Posted by: jhw539 | December 1, 2009, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

Obama cannot give one speech without whining about how tough he has it, without bragging about how much he has done for our pitiful country, and without blaming Bush.

Posted by: hank | December 1, 2009, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

How can Obama talk about speaking out for human rights knowing he lacked the courage to stand up for the Iranian protesters?
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What did you want him to do to ‘stand up’ for Iranian protesters? Start bombing Iran?

Posted by: tierra | December 1, 2009, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

…being replaced by prudent realistic, measured, attainable war goals by Obama…
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Ok but lets’ not expect anyone to fight and die or be maimed for prudent, realistic, measured goals. Who wants to be the last guy killed before our withdrawal in 2011?
Either fight to win, or get out now.

Posted by: Terry | December 1, 2009, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

Who wants to be the last guy killed before our withdrawal in 2011?
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Who wants to be killed in any war?

Posted by: tierra | December 1, 2009, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

The idealistic all-out phrasing of war goals by Churchill and JFK is finally being replaced by prudent realistic, measured, attainable war goals by Obama. This new approach to political expression of war goals is historically significant.
Posted by: supportourpresident | Dec 1, 2009 10:52:00 PM
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I agree. Great response to Terry and his ilk.
It wasn’t a soaring, saber rattling, cowboy or chest thumping speech. It was sober and pragmatic.
He spoke directly to the military, giving them a clear mission and time frame. He recognized them for being responsible for the security of the globe, and he assured them that he hadn’t made a decision rashly.
He spoke directly to Karzai– no blank check.
He spoke directly to the Afghan people– help us help you and we’re not in it for occupation.
He spoke to the world– I’m not saber rattling but you owe us a thank you.
He spoke to our allies– we’re not in it alone; others have sacrificed much as well, and your security and assistance is vital to us.
He spoke to the left– this isn’t Viet Nam, and this IS a national security issue.
He spoke to the perpetual war complex– sorry guys, no can do. This isn’t about nation building and war profiteering. Get over it, and tell Cheney to stuff it.(Okay, I made up the part about Cheney, but I do wish he’d stuff it.)
He spoke to the American people– I know the economy is important and that we have issues here at home. I haven’t forgotten.
We’re not in a war in which there will be a clear victory– it’s a war against terrorists. He talked about that.
It was a good speech. Appropriate to the type of war we’re in– where victory is hard to define.
My hope and prayer is that by the end of the president’s term, KSM has been successfully prosecuted and sentenced in a civilian court of law, Gitmo has been closed, the military has delivered a more stable Afghanistan and the capture or death of bin Laden, and the troops can all come home to a country where the fundamentals of the economy are REALLY strong again, or well on their way and jobs are aplenty particularly green jobs that help lead globally in that sector.
Of course, those on the right would STILL complain ….

Posted by: Cara | December 1, 2009, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

Again, the democrats try to cover their own deficiencies by resurrecting the ghost of Bush (booga! booga! booga!)And Cheney (wonga! wonga! wonga!). Although they certainly didn’t do everything right, they left Obama with pretty much a non-problem in Iraq. Ever notice how the Media dropped Iraq as a news story after Obama’s inauguration? I haven’t. Stand up and be a man Obama! You didn’t “inherit” this situation, you ASKED to have it as YOURS to resolve. Can’t take the heat? Get out of the kitchen, cry baby!

Posted by: johnnydx1 | December 1, 2009, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

You didn’t “inherit” this situation, you ASKED to have it as YOURS to resolve.
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Yes he wanted -and wants – the job, and yes . .. he did inherit a mess economically and in the case of Afghanistan – in war.
We all know Afghanistan was put on the back burner by Cheney and Bush (in favor of attacking Iraq) – and that for 7 years the Taliban and al Qaeda regrouped and got stronger.

Posted by: tierra | December 1, 2009, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

For 8 years we had a moron and his goonies run our beautiful nation into the toilet. We had both parties assisting him as well. Hopefully now that we have someone who can speak English properly and actually use his brain to his full potential. We don’t need left wing, right wing or any kind of wing to get us back on course. What we need is for every USONIANS to stand up and be counted for. These terrorist hammered us in 2001. We need to be united on this,or then every person who died on 9/11 and in both wars died for nothing. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Posted by: cony007 | December 1, 2009, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Bring them HOME!!! You were (s)elected to END the war, NOT escalate it!!!

Posted by: jafo | December 1, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm

Jake, what’s your point? That the references were valid? Or that, a year into his presidency he shouldn’t be harping on the Bush administration anymore?
It makes a big difference which one you mean.

Posted by: D | December 1, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

Jake, what is your point? Seriously, what are you trying to say? Let’s be honest here: Bush was, and always will be an idiot. Cheney was, and always will be a deranged demon. Give President Obama a chance already. He’s been in office for less than a year. Your type didn’t want us to judge Bush until 30 years out of office. How can you judge Obama now? Keep playing up to your dumb right wing base, the rest of us aren’t buying it. We read, not just look at the pictures!

Posted by: New Yorker | December 2, 2009, 12:02 am 12:02 am

It’s been almost a full decade since our country was savagely attacked on 9/11. Tons of money have been spent and countless lives of American heroes have been lost. But Bin Laden & co. are still alive and well, firmly entrenched in the tribal areas of Pakistan seeking to destroy us. That makes me sick! Obama is stepping up to get this job done after the long wasteful detour of the Bush years. Every American should be applauding that we are finally focusing on what should have been our real mission after 9/11. Pat Tillman and so many other patriots were betrayed by Bush’s bait and switch. But we must finish the job that Pat began – the job the whole world supported us in doing.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | December 2, 2009, 12:32 am 12:32 am

god I must be on the huffington post site

Posted by: john | December 2, 2009, 1:03 am 1:03 am

Bring them HOME!!! You were (s)elected to END the war, NOT escalate it!!!
Posted by: jafo | Dec 1, 2009 11:47:45 PM
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Actually he campaigned that we had to focus on Afghanistan. It was no secret he was going to escalate that war. I say, go for it but get it done in a reasonable amount of time and if the Afghan govt and citizens don’t step up then pull out and let them take care of themselves.

Posted by: dk | December 2, 2009, 1:22 am 1:22 am

Russia tried that, gee now HOW did that work out for them. Oh yeah, broke, balkanized and defeated… Welcome to the new Amerika!
All of our troops are overseas, our borders aren’t even secure, and we are indebited to foreign nations… If that isn’t a recipe for invasion I don’t know what is. Oh right, China is already buying property in the USA (the Presido in SF), and what they don’t have the United Nations already does… Ever go to a National Park these days… Why is it listed as a “UN Biosphere Project”? Who gave away our national parks and resources over to the United Nations.
Do you read about how the IMF enslaves the third world in debt by giving them loans with the resources as collateral? What has impoverished the third world, is being unleashed by not only this President, but the ones preceding him. Are you sure you still live in “America”, you may want to read the fine print.
Want to save the country, bring the troops home, protect OUR lands, and invest all of that military pork and waste (you know the defective Halliburton showers that electrocute our own men and women, and force them to bathe in Untreated human waste!) back HERE in the USA! Too much too ask you say? Then WHY are you complaining???

Posted by: jafo | December 2, 2009, 3:17 am 3:17 am

Bring them home and stop this insane waste of lives and money.
This is the only real reason obama was elected and now he wants to play Bush while bashing him in the same breath.
Change you can’t believe in.

Posted by: Tiara | December 2, 2009, 6:31 am 6:31 am

Chris Matthews of MSNBC felt West Point was the wrong venue for President Obama’s speech on the War in Afghanistan: “I saw if not resentment, skepticism. I didn’t see a lot of warmth in that crowd out there, uh, the president chose to address tonight. And I think that is interesting. He went to maybe the enemy camp tonight to make his case.”
You really can’t make this stuff up.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: Jenn | December 2, 2009, 7:08 am 7:08 am

“Keep playing up to your dumb right wing base, the rest of us aren’t buying it.”
Jake is a Democrat, genius. He also happens to be a true journalist.

Posted by: Jenn | December 2, 2009, 7:11 am 7:11 am

The last time I checked Obama volunteered for the job of President and begged Americans to give him the job. Sorry pal… you have to actually BE PRESIDENT when you are elected. Stop blaming the previous guy and do your job. Oh…I forgot…maybe this job isn’t his pay grade.

Posted by: Jim | December 2, 2009, 7:11 am 7:11 am

Listening to Obama last night and Hillary watching Obama last night, I flashbacked to all their many, many negative comments about Bush during the 2008 election campaign. Anyone remember what they promised “they’d do” once they took back the White House? It wasn’t what they’re doing in lockstep now. Guess when they saw all those top secret security reports Bush and Cheney were reading for 8 years, they realized their dove talk would be dead duck for America talk. If it were me, I’d just have Microsoft and corporate America invade Afghanistan and Iraq and let the greed that results from capitalist ventures invading nations democratize both countries. Isn’t that what corporate America did for us with China? They gave them Walmart and greed and China suddenly opened their doors and said “more, more”.

Posted by: Rob | December 2, 2009, 7:23 am 7:23 am

Thank God that Obama was elected. Can you imagine if we had mccain and palin making these decisions. God Bless you President Obama, we’re with you.

Posted by: pt | December 2, 2009, 7:25 am 7:25 am

Jenn, I agree with most of what you say. This jerk that calls himself President took his liberal mass to another photo op at taxpayer expense. He is a traveling machine. What was wrong with the Oval office? Wasn’t this speach directed to the American People? Are we in trouble?? I can’t wait to see some more rhetoric at the upcoming job summits. Just more photo ops and handpicked praisers. Where are the jobs? With Biden? Does he hand them out like raffle tickets? God help us.

Posted by: Gudgolf | December 2, 2009, 7:36 am 7:36 am

Obama is such a Monday Morning Quarterback on the war on terrorism (if he even acknowledges such a war…).
It’s HIS war now, and we’ll see just how much better this community warrio…er, organizer can oversee combat operations.

Posted by: Ken | December 2, 2009, 7:44 am 7:44 am

When you have been in the job for a year, it is time to stop blaming things on others, who were doing their best to do the job well.
Obama needs to stop standing on the past, and find his own two feet to stand on.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 2, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Jake is a Democrat, genius. He also happens to be a true journalist.
Posted by: Jenn | Dec 2, 2009 7:11:01 AM
Actually, imho, he used to be a “true journalist” now he’s WH press corps for MSM– and they’re usually not as good as those who do true investigative journalism– no time really from what I can tell. He’s lost some of his mojo, though that might be the job.
This post and headline is red meat for a certain ilk– it doesn’t provide substance pertaining to putting the squeeze on Pakistan, or any of the important stuff.
However, he is MUCH better than Tweety, no doubt.
I wish people wouldn’t try to hang Tweety on the liberals. I, for one, can’t stand him. And he’s not a “liberal.” He’s a jerk. A total hack.

Posted by: Cara | December 2, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jenn | Dec 2, 2009 7:08:41 AM
So, are you an American? That’s a pretty broad diss.
“Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, “of freedom; worthy of a free man, gentlemanlike, courteous, generous”[1]) is the belief in the importance of individual freedom. ”
The word liberalism is derived from liberty.
Economic liberalism = free trade.

Posted by: Cara | December 2, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Talk about living in the past…what right does Cheney have to condemn the president on any decision. He and his cohorts got us into a war we did not need (Iraq) with lies and misconceptions and they did not pay for it either. The sent soldiers to Afghanistan where the really bad guys are and for got about them giving little or not support financially or with weapons which were not defective. This president did the right thing by giving a pull out date. Of course it is conditional on conditions on the ground but he let them know that if they do not help themselves, our time and money is over. Good for you President Obama. I say Obama has a strong backbone…he said he is closing Guantanomo and he will, he is fighting for health care which is badly needed when no other president since Clinton would, and he is laying down the law in Afghanistan. We will never win this war and that is not our objective. The objective is to get them to have a system where they can be self productive and possibly be an ally. Education is the key here and that will bring knowledge that we are not their enemy. Schools are finally starting to flourish and hopefully other things will succeed and this country will be on its own soon.

Posted by: talmag | December 2, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am

“Talk about living in the past…what right does Cheney have to condemn the president on any decision.”
Obama is supposed to conveniently refrain from mentioning the past administrations blunders while their architecs get to deride him on matters they obviously know little about. I think we should never allow anybody to forget what happens when you elect corporate stooges like Bush and Cheney to high office who then try and run this country like a business, which it is not.

Posted by: Skip | December 2, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

We just can not leave.If we pull out now the Taliban will crucify every female in Afghanistan. We must leave the Afghan people with a chance to survive and grow. The US liberated Europe and Asia from tyranny and oppression. That is who we are. Liberators for freedom. Like it or not.I don’t care if you are a Republican, Democrat, or any other party we must stand together on this. We invaded Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction. We didn’t find them and then our reasoning in Iraq took a change to helping the people of Iraq to rebuild itself. It will take years for Iraq to rebuild itself but we are giving them help to do that. Our original goal in Afghanistan was to destroy the people who attack us. It did not happen. So now we must change our goal to helping the Afghan people. Just like Bush had to change and decided to help Iraq. We can not abandon these two countries. If we do then all those lives that were sacrificed were for nothing. I hate war but hate the idea of cutting and run more, especially because we created a lot of this mess. Our country is a mess because of the lack of accountability. But in the end it is our fault because we were asleep at the helm. Everything that is happening to us is a wake up call that we need to get off our behinds to do something for our country instead of complaining. During WWII my grandmother helped built warships to beat Hitler and his kind. We need to step up to stop the new Hitler of our times and that is extremism.

Posted by: cony007 | December 2, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am

This guy just shows how weak and ineffective he is when he is still pointing at the prior administration’s actions instead of being a true leader, He should be taking responsibility for current conditions, having taken office almost a year ago and sitting on his own military advisors’ provided guidance (which he has not taken)until the time was right for a West Point photo op.
What can you expect from a legal aid attorney (I know, “community organizer”; in the legal community, legal aid atty=community organizer) who foolishly believed he could run a country just because he speaks well and looks nice in a good suit.

Posted by: just saying | December 2, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

As opposed to electing legal aid attorneys who are inexperienced in both the business world and the military who try to run the country like some kind of community organizing project?
Yeah, right.

Posted by: not laughing with you | December 2, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

This guy just shows how weak and ineffective he is when he is still pointing at the prior administration’s actions instead of being a true leader, He should be taking responsibility for current conditions,
Posted by: just saying
maybe the prior administration’s actions need to be admitted by the ‘rightwing’ as abject failure, maybe problems in america started before 1/20/09,… maybe Cheney should shut up,..
btw: re: Ever go to a National Park these days… Why is it listed as a “UN Biosphere Project”? Who gave away our national parks and resources over to the United Nations. Posted by: jafo
the nonsense contained in your posting (typical of the right), can be checked as to what the program is….but you need to cast it as a conspiracy, like all the cowardly republicans
Biosphere reserves are sites recognized under UNESCO’s Man and the Biosphere Programme, which innovate and demonstrate approaches to conservation and sustainable development. They are of course under national sovereign jurisdiction, yet share their experience and ideas nationally, regionally and internationally within the World Network of Biosphere Reserves. There are 553 sites worldwide in 107 countries.

Posted by: Oh Yeah | December 2, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Oh Yeah,
You’re babbling again….. you may want to try rebuttals that use facts, rather than relying on stream of consciousness gibberish. It’s not working for you.

Posted by: just saying | December 2, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

“…who try to run the country like some kind of community organizing project?”
This country, like any country, IS a gigantic community. When that finally dawns on you people you might understand why Obama is far more qualified to run this country than John McCain.

Posted by: Skip | December 2, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Posted by: just saying |
still can’t admit the catastrophic failures of Bush/Cheney can you?.. that’s OK, the facts speak for themselves and are there for all to see..
report to the nearest secret FEMA camp for ‘re-education’…

Posted by: Oh Yeah | December 2, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

skip,
Oh puhleeze:”This country, like any country, IS a gigantic community.”
Noticed that you didn’t dispute the fact that the current potus has no business or military experience that would give him some kind of credibility as a leader.
Oh! That’s right: He has no business or military experience that would give him credibility.
Nice try, though.

Posted by: Not laughing with you | December 2, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

He should be taking responsibility for current conditions,
Posted by: just saying
your implication is that Obama somehow caused conditions in America today, which is obviously wrong and foolish , why do you want to give give Bush a free pass on responsibility for 8 years of republican policy that didn’t work?

Posted by: Oh Yeah | December 2, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

I think we should never allow anybody to forget what happens when you elect corporate stooges like Bush and Cheney to high office who then try and run this country like a business, which it is not.
Yeah, so we now we elected a wimp whose sole purpose is to run around the world appologizing for the USA. Now he thinks he can play the tough guy.
Let’s see, exactly how “qualified” are all these economic advisors and self-accliamed experts who helped create the economic mess and still constantly “mis-read” everything to do with the economy today?
The country wants the President to LEAD, not take every policy decision as a chance to say, its not my fault the guy before me messed it up!
America is sick of hearing how tough it is for the boy-blunder!

Posted by: Mike_C | December 2, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

no business or military experience that would give him some kind of credibility as a leader.
Posted by: Not laughing with you
Bush’s ‘military experience’ .. did what?
1 unfinished war, abandoned troops,
1 mistaken war based on lies
Bush’s ‘business experience’? his family and Saudis sponsored him, did nothing on his own.
left America in a great place didn’t he?
credibility by republicans ? a joke

Posted by: Oh Yeah | December 2, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

An e-mail dated February 22, 2003 revealing that CIA officials met with Bush administration officials to discuss how the agency should respond to a letter from Representative Jane Harman (D-CA) advising the agency not to destroy the tapes. While it was known previously that the White House participated in discussions about the disposition of the tapes, this is the earliest record to date of any such discussions and provides a damning timeline that sheds even more light on the extent of the Bush administration’s micromanagement of the CIA’s torture program.
Serious questions remain about the extent to which the Bush White House and other government agencies were complicit in the CIA’s destruction of the tapes, and releasing these and other documents in full is essential to fully understanding the responsibility of high-level officials for torture.

Posted by: No Mas | December 2, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

Oh Yeah,
Let’s See…..
Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Charlie Rangel,..etc
They just playing with themselves as the economy imploded right?…Nothing those buffoons did could possibly have anything to do with what happened, could it…..

Posted by: Mike_C | December 2, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Oh Yeah,
Why successful leaders are more likely Not to be liberals: Real leaders, instead of trying to blame others for current situations, accept situations and work to improve them. Leaders like to make improvements rather than making excuses (like pointing fingers at others) for why situations can’t be improved.
Leaders do not want to be victims or blamers. That is why good leaders are respected and followed.
By the way, nice try at blaming Bush/Cheney for current conditions. You may wish to (although you will probably rather deny it)remember that it was the democrats who were in charge of the legislative branch for several years at the end of the Bush Admin.
Good-bye and Good Luck to you.

Posted by: just saying | December 2, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

it was the democrats who were in charge of the legislative branch for several years at the end of the Bush Admin.
Posted by: just saying
again, Bush is responsible for nothing?..Dems came in 2007….. the Dems were able to negate all of Bush policies,? and that Bush stopped his own polices? false…..
no one has to ‘try’ to point out the ineffectiveness and failures of Bush… it’s right in front of your nose if you care to look..
it’s curious that you think all was great from 2001 – 2008, no problems whatsoever right?
guess you also believe Dana Perino when she said there were no terrorist attacks on America during Bush’s term.. or Cheney saying Afghanistan was fine when they left office…
you folks can continue to try to re-write recent history, but America knows better
in case you missed it, from 2006 on, republican ‘leadership’ has been voted out of office..
mission accomplished

Posted by: Oh Yeah | December 2, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Posted by: Mike_C
I didn’t say that Dems were blameless….only that there isn’t one rightwinger/republican/conservative here willing to admit that republicans did anything wrong on any Republican policy decisions from 2001 through 2008
want to name names?
Michelle Bachmann, Virginia Foxx, Jean Schmidt, Ensign, DeMint, Sessions, Bohener, McConnell Tancredo, and a cast of thousands

Posted by: Oh Yeah | December 2, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

“Yeah, so we now we elected a wimp whose sole purpose is to run around the world appologizing for the USA”
Unless you’re claiming the USA never makes mistakes, being honest about them shows strength and garners respect. It’s foolish to expect others to receive our criticism without being willing to accept some ourselves. Bush-style ignorant saber-rattling is a waste of time.

Posted by: Skip | December 2, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Unless you’re claiming the USA never makes mistakes, being honest about them shows strength and garners respect. It’s foolish to expect others to receive our criticism without being willing to accept some ourselves.
======================================
Skip,
Time to take off your Obama blinders son!
If the world was free of terrorist organizations & countries like Iran & NK, your utopian approach might possibly have merits…..
From N. Korea to Iran to the “AFK-PAK”, our enemies are more emboldened than ever.
Terroists now KNOW now there is not even the “threat” of real interrogation now and that fools like you would allow your family and mine to die before you get down and dirty with an enemy that truely believes killing innocent Americans is a great honor!
They now KNOW if they are caught, this group in power now would rather grant them the rights of US citizens and give them an open-forum to spout their propoganda for weeks in a trial.
They now KNOW we so “PC”-oriented here that we wont even act on info about someone like Nidal Malik Hasan because its looks too much like profiling and being “anti-muslim”. After all the evidence about his action and comments, our officials cringe at calling him a muslim terrorist.
They now KNOW they can just train have the occasional little hit & run attacks from now til June 2011, then they can ramp it up after we leave.
Yeah, I feel “safer”!

Posted by: Mike_C | December 2, 2009, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Yeah, I feel “safer”!
Posted by: Mike_C | Dec 2, 2009 2:58:44 PM
____________________________________
You should feel at least as safe as under the previous administration.
1) North Korea completed and tested their first nuclear weapon on George Bush’s watch,
2) Iran developed their secret nuclear facility on George Bush’s watch (the facility was just exposed under Obama administration),
3) The Bush administration dithered for 7 years on Afghanistan allowing the Taliban and al Qaeda to regroup and become stronger . ..
From where I sit, we’re all WAY ahead with this new administration.

Posted by: tierra | December 2, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

“…fools like you would allow your family and mine to die before you get down and dirty with an enemy that truely believes killing innocent Americans is a great honor!”
You may think I’m a fool but I think I’m smart enough to try and stop people like you from bringing this country down to the same level as the terrorists. My family has the courage to believe the ideas this great nation was founded on are worth dying for. They know our troops are certainly putting their lives on the line. The implementation of these policies you support were being used as recruitment tools for insurgents who are attacking our troops.

Posted by: Skip | December 2, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Mike C,
You are trying to argue facts with someone who does not have anything factual to contribute to the discussion and who delusionally and moronically is accusing you of being on par with a terrorist.
There are other forums where people have fact-based discussions. This does not appear to be one of them.
Thanks to those in your family who have died so others can be idiots.

Posted by: Not laughing with you | December 2, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

“You are trying to argue facts with someone who does not have anything factual to contribute to the discussion and who delusionally and moronically is accusing you of being on par with a terrorist.”
Torture is not on par with being a terrorist? -Maybe not on the same scale but what is torture? It’s terrorizing somebody to get information you want. And don’t tell me these people were convicted of anything before they were tortured, some of them could be completely innocent. As for arguing facts pardon me if I didn’t notice any. However I wouldn’t disparage Mike for arguing about his opinions anyway no matter how reprehensible I find them since I believe it’s what these comment pages are for, not just posting facts.

Posted by: Skip | December 2, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Obama is an embarrassment.

Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | December 2, 2009, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

I feel “safer”! … ‘Terroists now KNOW
Posted by: Mike_C
you contradict your own assumptions…..
if killing americans is an honor for the terrorists why would they fear capture, or interrogation?
it’s all for their religious jihad and martyrdom right?
when will the ‘right’ ever learn to stop assuming the rest of the world and every other culture thinks like Americans do?
‘you would allow your family and mine to die ‘
nonsense….
is your flag lapel pin on?
want some freedom fries?
plastic sheeting and duct tape in place?

Posted by: Oh Yeah | December 3, 2009, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Oh yeah,
Perhaps you need to go back in history and look at how “the world” is always asking the US to “fix” things.
From wanting our aid everytime a group of people on this planet has hard times to having us be the one carrying the big stick because we are the only ones who can.
As far as terrorists dying for their cause, I was talking about the those who are at the “foot soldier” level. If you paid any attention to how most of the groups are put together, the guys at the top of the pyramid tend not to be the ones on the streets with bombs strapped to themselves. They always seem to find others to do the actual dirty work. These “masterminds” are the ones that enhanced techniques tend to find use on. I am not one who wants to see us use those techniques on a day-in day-out basis, but also it is foolish & stupid to TELL your enemies what your not willing to do. Especially in this particular fight, we are at war with various groups and organizations, not a particular country/government or a group of countriesas in wars of the past. The rules are different, and if we are going to ask our soldiers to fight, I want them to everything at their disposal to achieve the objectives. That includes our intelligence agencies.
As I said before, YOU would run head long into a gunfight with knife!

Posted by: Mike_C | December 3, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

I feel “safer”! … ‘Terroists now KNOW
Posted by: Mike_C
you contradict your own assumptions…..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Have you EVER heard of SARCASM??????????

Posted by: Mike_C | December 3, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

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