Dec 18, 2009 9:50am

Senior White House Official: The ‘Chinese Are Dug In’; ‘We’ve Done What We Can’ in Copenhagen

“We’ve done what we can here,” a senior White House official in Copenhagen, Denmark, tells ABC News. “The Chinese are dug in on transparency and are refusing to let people know they’re living up to their end of the agreement.”


After landing in Denmark early this morning, President Obama met with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao during a bilateral at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen to press the case that China needs to allow for transparency.


“The President’s priority is to make our economy far more focused on a clean energy economy that creates jobs,” the official said. “He is here to work constructively and participate in hoping to get an international accord. But not getting one here won’t change wanting to transform our economy to create the new foundation he’s talked about.”


The original goal of the Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen was a legally binding international treaty reducing greenhouse gas emissions worldwide. It became clear months ago that at least partly because of the Chinese refusal to commit to serious greenhouse gas emission cuts, that would not happen.


Leaders from more than 190 countries have spent the last two weeks working on a more informal agreement, but that might not happen either.


President Obama said publicly today that “we must have a mechanism to review whether we are keeping our commitments, and to exchange this information in a transparent manner. These measures need not be intrusive, or infringe upon sovereignty. They must, however, ensure that an accord is credible, and that we are living up to our obligations. For without such accountability, any agreement would be empty words on a page.”


He also noted that the agreement must “have financing that helps developing countries adapt, particularly the least-developed and most vulnerable to climate change.”


He noted that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tried to resolve a separate issue — the need of developing nations for money to help mitigate environmental rules and adapt to environmental chamges — by offering to help raise $100 billion dollars to address their climate change needs.


But the US offer, Clinton underlined, was only “in the context of a strong accord in which all major economies stand behind meaningful mitigation actions and provide full transparency as to their implementation.”


President Obama noted that as well, saying the offer was on the table “if – and only if – it is part of the broader accord” including transparency.


Read more HERE.


– jpt

User Comments

“The Chinese are dug in on transparency and are refusing to let people know they’re living up to their end of the agreement.”
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Yeah.
Nobody saw that coming.
The Chinese threw a NYT employee in jail a few years ago because he told the paper there was going to be a change in Chinese leadership.
They wouldn’t cooperate with the WHO during SARS.
Transparency just isn’t their thing.

Posted by: MayBee | December 18, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Interesting – when Bush had problems with Kyoto because of the Chinese and Indians he was the worst guy on the planet. Why isn’t Obama judged in the same way ?

Posted by: JP | December 18, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Copenhagen 2 – Obama 0
Smart Power! Meh~

Posted by: Jim | December 18, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Even with Obama’s messianic charisma and promises of $100 billion in US cash for “environmental justice” in the developing world–The One can’t convince the world’s top CO2 emitter, CHINA, to agree to strangling their own economy.
Wow, who would have seen that coming?

Posted by: Ich Bin Ein Beginner | December 18, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am

AGW is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the planet’s population.
Even if it were true, would you want Al Gore’s hands on the thermostat for the planet?
The law of untended consequences cannot be ignored.

Posted by: Terry | December 18, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

But the US offer, Clinton underlined, was only “in the context of a strong accord in which all major economies stand behind meaningful mitigation actions and provide full transparency as to their implementation.”
All show, no dough?

Posted by: The Audacity of Copenhagen | December 18, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Good for the Chinese to tell the global warming fools (and ‘the one’ in the WH) to go to hell!

Posted by: sebenza | December 18, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Maybe the Chinese are looking at the “transparency” of the obama administration and see no need to be any different!

Posted by: thomz | December 18, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Get the big bus out to throw China under – and they didn’t even bother throwing Dean under–they just ran over him back and forth until he was splattered everywhere–welcome to the land of thuggery, Governor Dean–cool, huh, what you helped wrought?

Posted by: ted | December 18, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Obama votes present. Again.
Obama….
The constant lying.
The childish whining.
The disgraceful bowing.
The staggering arrogance.
The poisonous radicalism.
The dangerous narcissism.
The astounding incompetence.
Obama wants to put as much of the private economy under government control as possible to create his nanny state utopia where he is the boy king.
Let’s continue to stand strong against Obama in every way and get Congress out of the hands of the insane Pelosi and Reid in 2010.
Obama is a smug, smirking con man. Nothing more.

Posted by: Jackson | December 18, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

“We’ve done what we can here,” a senior White House official in Copenhagen, Denmark, tells ABC News. “The Chinese are dug in on transparency and are refusing to let people know they’re living up to their end of the agreement.”
Quite an odd statement regarding Transparancy from an administration that so touted that during the election. For them to be surprised and to even comment on it is laughable. So the O can speak indignent, jut out his jaw and look mean but all know what a joke he is and what is happening in the hallowed halls of our institutions here, what goes around comes around. So it seems that the hot air gases and such are really being emitted from Copehangen, I’ll bet the populace will be quite happy when they are gone.

Posted by: Pete Ramos | December 18, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Wow… if nothing really comes from this meeting what does that mean? Normally these things are all worked out prior to the top dogs meeting face to face.
Amazing that a group of people who all say in unison “we are doomed if we do nothing” apparently are unwilling to do very much at all.
Do the believers really believe?

Posted by: Denbo | December 18, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am

So it’s the Communists that are saving us from stupid unscientific measures that impose more socialistic control on the USA?
Oh Boy, this is one for the history books

Posted by: Shawn S | December 18, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am

I blame SNL.

Posted by: bob | December 18, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am

“We’ve done what we can here,” a senior White House official in Copenhagen, Denmark, tells ABC News. “The Chinese are dug in on transparency and are refusing to let people know they’re living up to their end of the agreement.”
Sounds vaguely familiar from this administration. It sounds very muck like, “Its Bush’s fault we can’t get it done.”.

Posted by: Dale in Nj | December 18, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am

I see where the openly proud Communist/Marxist Party is marching in those streets and demanding social justice from the evil capitalist countries (USA), and Chavez received thunderous applause after he demonized capitalism and then proceeded to demand tons of money from same evil, capitalist countries (USA). I am thinking to myself, why in the hell would our leader of the last truly free people on Earth go there and try to appease these types? Why would we promise billions to the thug leaders across the globe and just believe the money will be put to the proper use? Righhhhhttt. Why have we allowed a sign to be hung on the back of America saying, “Kick Me. I Deserve It.”?

Posted by: teesee | December 18, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Isn’t amazing that a Communist government with no democratic accountability cares more for the interests of its people than Western democratic governments who will prostitute its own people with non-existent money.
I never thought I’d live the day to be cheering a Communist country!

Posted by: Robert | December 18, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am

We’re lucky that China didn’t ridicule us for wanting to send money to 3rd world countries. They could have said “America is bankrupt! They owe us trillions of dollars. As their main creditor, we refuse to lend them money for this purpose. If you need money, talk to us.”

Posted by: lightduty | December 18, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Obama KNOWS he has NO authority to enter the US into anything there. He can say all he wants to but he is not going to get SQUAT from the American people or congress especially now that we all know the science is worth doodly squat!
Ignore it all you want Obama, but it is all a lie, and we know you and Gore are in the fraud up to your eyeballs. We know you gave he and a lot of others a helluva lot of our tax money as Il Senator to set up the fraud Chicago exchange board along with the escaped criminal electric commissioner from Iraq, and other arabs. Then OF COURSE, they all pumpped hundreds of thousands into your campaign.
It will all come out when we force the investigations, and the trials which will be coming bring it all out.
You and Gore and Soros are done scaring people into giving up their liberty for a criminal LIE!

Posted by: patriotparty1 | December 18, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Obama bowed again thats why they told him to go fly a kite. They are at least smart enough to not destroy their ecomony over a bunch of feel goodism

Posted by: 'Un-American' | December 18, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

—When your attempt at recreating the Congress of Vienna with a third-rate cast of extras turns into a shambles, when the data with which you have tried to terrify the world is daily exposed as ever more phoney, when the blatant greed and self-interest of the participants has become obvious to all beholders, when those pesky polar bears just keep increasing and multiplying – what do you do?
No contest: stop issuing three rainforests of press releases every day, change the heading to James Bond-style “Do not distribute” and “leak” a single copy, in the knowledge that human nature is programmed to interest itself in anything it imagines it is not supposed to see, whereas it would bin the same document unread if it were distributed openly.
After that, get some unbiased, neutral observer, such as the executive director of Greenpeace, to say: “This is the single most important piece of paper in the world today.” Unfortunately, the response of all intelligent people will be to fall about laughing; but it was worth a try – everybody loves a tryer – and the climate alarmists are no longer in a position to pick and choose their tactics.
But boy! Was this crass, or what? The apocalyptic document revealing that even if the Western leaders hand over all the climate Danegeld demanded of them, appropriately at the venue of Copenhagen, the earth will still fry on a 3C temperature rise is the latest transparent scare tactic to extort more cash from taxpayers. The danger of this ploy, of course, is that people might say “If we are going to be chargrilled anyway, what is the point of handing over billions – better to get some serious conspicuous consumption in before the ski slopes turn into saunas.”—

Posted by: Climate Fraud Deniers | December 18, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am

This Copenhagen auction and Cap n Trade is for the Fat Cat Bankers, Wall Street and corporations who are put by our supposed representatives above our needs.
The environmental cause is a good one but to put it bluntly, it has been hijacked. Follow the Money folks.
Why are none of these criminals in prison ?
Why are these institutions allowed to grow bigger when too big to fail is the gun they held to our heads in the first place ?
Instead of first fixing the issues that led to the crisis, these traitorous politicians are using the crisis, they enabled and created, to ram odious bills through without reading and understanding them.
We The People need to try everything within our power to stop any new legislation until the crimes and their causes which led to the destruction of our economy are addressed and the criminals are punished instead of rewarded.

Posted by: Unwilling Hostage | December 18, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Do the believers really believe?
Posted by: Denbo | Dec 18, 2009 10:39:22 AM
Oh they believe, but they are a bunch of social eliets, posturing for the cameras. Trouble is they believe but they cannot PROVE IT! Our eyes are proving it. We can measure ice on the Arctic too and funny how it does not add up to what was being reported by Gore. We can see snow falling where it has not in 14 years. God has a funny way of getting in the way does he not?

Posted by: patriotparty1 | December 18, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Nancy Pelosi a few minutes ago on CNN…
….we came to Copenhagen to talk about jobs …
Nancy, don’t go to Copenhagen to talk about jobs…. go to Detroit!

Posted by: Terry | December 18, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Obama’s message in Copenhagen:
Let’s do something even if it stinks.
Looks like Obama’s plan to save the planet is the same plan he has for Health Care.
Pass anything just to save my legacy.

Posted by: tyler | December 18, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

It’s ironic that one of his favorite oratorical tics is “The time for talk is over.”
We can only but hope that this teachable moment for our Presidential Intern in Chief will be the one to finally sink in.

Posted by: Bob | December 18, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Didn’t Obama learn anything from his last trip to Copenhagen?
Great job, O-fer!

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am

—India and China have taken a united stand and walked out of the climate summit as Copenhagen talks fail.
Tensions prevailed at the climate talks at Copenhagen today, as Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh and China premier Wen Jiabao walked out of the summit along with their respective delegations, as talks failed.—

Posted by: Obama's Epic FAIL | December 18, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am

All of a sudden Obama is worried about the future of our kids/grandkids?
He’s worried about lowering the temperature 2degress over the next decade but not sticking them with massive debt?

Posted by: hank | December 18, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Just like the red lights in cold areas. The fools run headlong in and put in ECO GREEN bulbs and now they have to pay people to go clean them off, and there will be wrecks and possible people killed because they cannot see the lights because they are not hot enough to melt the snow!
Some city I forget where is passing out light bulbs through the electric company, you have no choice, here they are and they bill you on your electric bill. Those bulbs are a health hazard, and a landfill nightmare with the mercury! Now on what contract did those people sign saying they would purchase light bulbs for whatever price they company decides to charge them? Totally illegal, and unconstitutional.
The lawyers are going to have a boom time the next few years litigating all of this crap from Obama.
What a bunch of morons!!!!!!!!

Posted by: patriotparty1 | December 18, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

Well the rest of the world should work that much harder if the US, China and India won’t do their part.
And those that believe in AGW must redouble their efforts too.
Quit driving those cars. Only one child. No meat. No heat, unless it is powered by wind. No TV, No Computer, No Cellphones (don’t get me started on electronic pollution) Eat only the food you grow. No plastics. Only natural detergents. Only natural fibers for clothing.
AGW believers, lead the way, we will follow soon.
/sarc

Posted by: Barnone | December 18, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

This Copenhagen is really about setting up a world dictatorship through the World Bank. It will answer to no sovereign nation.
The Establishment wants to have it in place before the completely collapse the dollar.

Posted by: Wide Awake | December 18, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am

From Greenpeace:
“President Obama crossed the ocean to tell the world he has nothing new to offer, take it or leave it. He now risks being branded as the man who killed Copenhagen.”
Hey if Obama had not presented himself as the guy who could solve all the world’s problems, if the media had not hyped him as a Messiah–maybe he wouldn’t get the blame.
Arrogance, narcissism, hubris–now it’s all coming back to bite him.

Posted by: millie | December 18, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Copenhagen 2
Obama 0

Posted by: 'Un-American' | December 18, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

The motive of the legislation being pursued now is not being pursued for altruistic objectives, but rather for the profit of corporations, the empowerment of whom in this decade is growing exponentially. Promoters of this need to step back and think about who they are empowering by pushing this, in their unquestioning allegiance to a seemingly innocent and laudable objective of helping the planet, the common man, and consider the concrete and calculable collateral damage to our individual freedoms .

Posted by: bob | December 18, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Obama is the laughing stock of the world. The world doesn’t hate, fear or respect us, they laugh at us. He is worse than Jimmy Carter and that’s saying something.

Posted by: jennifert7 | December 18, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am

The “time for talk” is never over for Obama. It’s all he knows how to do. Everyone is tired of hearing his talk. He is such an embarrassment.

Posted by: jennifert7 | December 18, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am

Iranian forces take over Iraq oil well …
As global cooling advances, the resource wars will increase and become increasingly violent…

Posted by: Terry | December 18, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Barack Obama, June 2008:
“Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; THIS WAS THE MOMENT WHEN THE RISE OF THE OCEANS BEGAN TO SLOW AND OUR PLANET BEGAN TO HEAL; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.”
Obama in Excelsis Deo!

Posted by: I'm Not a President, but I Play One on TV | December 18, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

Resident Obama is the puppet of British Fascism. He serves the Crown not the USA.

Posted by: Peter Lui | December 18, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am

“Iranian forces take over Iraq oil well …”
Posted by: Terry | Dec 18, 2009 11:34:35 AM
…and Obama will be nowhere near as tough on Iran as he has been on Israel and his domestic political opponents.

Posted by: The Chicago Way | December 18, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

The Chinese will have Obama as a foot note in their HS History lessons in about 70 years, and that foot note will simply declare: Failure

Posted by: versionthirteen | December 18, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am

I have a powerful computerized climate model that I have been “tweeking” for the last few years. It is proving to remarkably accurate. It shows that the cyclical warming period is ending and that global temperatures will continue to decrease over the next century. As this occurs, arable land will decrease dramatically leading to famine on a terrible scale. In addition, there will be resource wars for remaining fossil fuel deposits.
Of course it’s lie, but so is AWG.

Posted by: Terry | December 18, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am

I lose my job on 12/31. Help.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 18, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Glass jaw meet clenched fist.
Obama should go back to Oprah where he belongs and leave politics to grownups. He could have a nice little show about decorating, or fashion. Yeah, that would be real nice…

Posted by: R. Thomas | December 18, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Only the Chinese are dug in? Oopsie… India too?
“India and China have taken a united stand and walked out of the climate summit as Copenhagen talks fail.
Tensions prevailed at the climate talks at Copenhagen today, as Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh and China premier Wen Jiabao walked out of the summit along with their respective delegations, as talks failed.”

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 18, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Thank you, China and India!

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

And while China and India walk out, the NBC Today Show covers “mega-scandal” involving Palin’s visor. Pathetic.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 18, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Apparently ABC is also hot on the trail of the Palin visor controversy – with video and everything. Excellent work ABC!
Any video of China and India delegations walking out of the Copenhagen summit?

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Sat Night! | December 18, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Official White House response:
IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!

Posted by: fedupinflorida | December 18, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Another Obama success in international politics – bringing Indian and China closer together. All hail.

Posted by: Terry | December 18, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

From Copenhagen today”
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said he “still” smelled sulfur after President Obama made a keynote speech at the Copenhagen climate conference Friday, accusing the American president of carrying same satanic Chavez believes followed Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush.
Chavez, who was not included on the original list of speakers for the final day of the summit, ended the proceedings with bitter references to the Peace Prize-winning Obama as the “Nobel Prize of War.”
“The Nobel Prize of War just finished saying here that he is here to act. Well, show it sir. Don’t leave by the back door,” he said.
Three years after Chavez likened Bush to the devil during a speech at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, the socialist strongman tore into Obama, claiming Friday that “it still smells like sulfur in the world.”
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I thought “our standing in the world” had improved since the coronation of The One? We in the U.S. hear it all the time, but apparently Hugo hasn’t received the message. Perhaps Gibbsy or Axelrod can give him a call and fill him in. Or, perhaps The One can send a personal letter as he did for Kim Jong-Il earlier this week…

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Thank you, China and India, for walking out — and Russia, for releasing the info about the cherry picking of Russian temperature stations. The greedy Left overreached, and this fiasco is hopefully over for this generation.

Posted by: Doug | December 18, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Obama is the worst president of my lifetime now beating Carter. I never thought I would see a person so unqualified and yet so supported by the mainstream. Just like everything else in pop culture…Obama’s star is fading fast. He is just like a pop star who released a few hot albums and now everyone discovers he doesn’t sing live and everyone else writes his songs.
No substance with Obama. All show. No go.

Posted by: Doug | December 18, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Obama came to Copenhagen to “…act, not talk…” and all he did was talk, as usual. His hope to be President of the World is sinking faster than his approval ratings as President of the United States. It’s obviously time to crank up the teleprompter and make some more speeches.

Posted by: joe | December 18, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Obama was put into power to hide the crimes of Bush and the financial giants that bled our country dry.

Posted by: George Williams | December 18, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

Phony President – Phony Crisis.
Who many of these criminals will be in jail within 5 years for this hoax?
Albert Gore needs to be one in particular who get a dose of jail time for the billions he conned out of gullible leftist fools.

Posted by: LogicalUS | December 18, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

“Iranian forces take over Iraq oil well …”
Posted by: Terry | Dec 18, 2009 11:34:35 AM
…and Obama will be nowhere near as tough on Iran as he has been on Israel and his domestic political opponents
The Iranians must be cracking up…

Posted by: Daoud | December 18, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

‘Obama was put into power to hide the crimes of Bush and the financial giants that bled our country dry.’
No doubt Geithner is stopping such things by O!

Posted by: Easy Money | December 18, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

-Albert Gore needs to be one in particular who get a dose of jail time for the billions he conned out of gullible leftist fools.-
Gp easy on Al. He only uses his private jet 4 times a week now to help the planet…

Posted by: AGW | December 18, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

For the first time in my life, I am proud of China!

Posted by: Michelle | December 18, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

As much as I dislike Chavez at least he isn’t a phony like Obama. And he certainly has the guts to say what he means without worry about what others will think of him.
Chavez speaking about Obama at Copenhagen:
“The Nobel Prize of War just finished saying that he is here to act. Well show it sir. Don’t leave by the back door. It still smells like sulfur in the world.”
How will the left and the media react when a shoe is hurled at Obama’s head? It’s only a matter of time.

Posted by: ollie | December 18, 2009, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

obama is the Rodney Dangerfield of American Presidents.
He gets no respect.
LMBO!

Posted by: ceeLeelee | December 18, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Obama’s star is fading fast.
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Not really. 52% of Americans approve of the job Obama is doing.
The Republican right wing and the parrots of the right bleat away their anti-Obama rants – but they have to – they can’t think beyond their own tight little bigoted box.
We had 8 years of Bush, Cheney, Libby and the Republicans – Americans are not stupid enough to want to go back to that.

Posted by: tierra | December 18, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

ollie
Do you really think the MSM will report Chavez’s comments about Obama smelling like sulfur?
They loved it when Chavez said that about Bush–showed it over and over again.
Here’s what the MSM will say about Obama’s trip to Copenhagen.
Obama had strong words for those not
willing to cooperate with his plan to save the planet.
The MSM will blame China for Obama’s failure in Copenhagen.
They’ll gush about his speech and never mention sulfur.

Posted by: larry | December 18, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

Now we find out that George Bush was Chinese

Posted by: John Q Public | December 18, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

The world doesn’t want more American money or a promise that’s only good until the next administration. What the world wants is something useful. The new jobs need to be in technology that the world needs to make poverty and ignorance obsolete. We don’t want the ill effects of fossil fuels so pass laws that get viable product patents off the shelves of those that lock them away from the public domain. There were wind-up toys before the small batteries came along. I can even come up with a low maintenance generator for domestic use that is a hybrid of Solar, compressed air, springs, electric generator, and storage cells. There can even be solar powered pumps to compress air for electric generators to run cars. Our energy does not need to be beholding to corporate energy suppliers or governments that manipulates humanity through deprivation. The industrial revolution is over! The communication revolutions is nearly over; energy needs are limiting its completion. Now we need to get the energy revolution in full tilt.

Posted by: TX_MBell | December 18, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

“(Chinese Premier) Wen indicated China would keep its emissions limits voluntary and unilateral.”
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Sounds like something George Bush would have said. Totalitarianism mindset.

Posted by: tierra | December 18, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

“Not really. 52% of Americans approve of the job Obama is doing”
Nice try, tierra. Here is the reality:
12/7/09
PRINCETON, NJ — Barack Obama’s presidential job approval rating is 47% in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update, a new low for his administration to date. His approval rating has been below 50% for much of the time since mid-November, but briefly rose to 52% last week after he announced his new Afghanistan policy.
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Obama is poised to end his first year in office with ratings lower than any other recent president at end of first year. Yeah, we’re real impressed with the guy.

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

seems like such a short time ago when the Dixie Chicks and Michael Moore were vilified for opposing republican policy…..
as opposed to today, the nutty and crazy right wingers, tea partiers, all foaming at the mouth at such critical issues like whether Mrs Obama wears long sleeves….
but the artwork, and signage that appears at the fake rallies, despite the content is pretty funny in a sick insensitive way

Posted by: Chanson Du Roland | December 18, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

seems like such a short time ago when the Dixie Chicks and Michael Moore were vilified for opposing republican policy…..
as opposed to today, the nutty and crazy right wingers, tea partiers, all foaming at the mouth at such critical issues like whether Mrs Obama wears long sleeves….
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Republicans and the right wing are hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do.

Posted by: tierra | December 18, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

“Sounds like something George Bush would have said. Totalitarianism mindset.”
Bush was accused of many things, but being feckless and spineless were not among them.
Same cannot be said of The One. He has demonstrated his weakness in his dealings and messages on multiple occasions: the Chinese, Nancy Pelosi, the Iranians, Chavez, Ortega, Castro Brothers, Putin, etc. – This list goes on….
The expiration date for “Bush Did It!” has passed. Many pundits on the Left have noted this, you are apparently slow to receive the message.

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

“Not really. 52% of Americans approve of the job Obama is doing”
Nice try, tierra. Here is the reality:
12/7/09
PRINCETON, NJ — Barack Obama’s presidential job approval rating is 47% in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update, a new low for his administration to date.
Posted by: tjp612 | Dec 18, 2009 2:53:12 PM
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Try to keep up tjp612.
It’s not 12/7/09, it’s 12/18/09 and Gallup has Obama’s approval rating at 52%. You can access Gallup’s page on the internet.
Reagan sank to 35% during his first term and was re-elected. Historical perspective.

Posted by: tierra | December 18, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

“Try to keep up tjp612.”
Great comeback! Today’s debacle in Copenhapen by The One will not help his approval ratings. He’ll be back below 50% soon. Regardless of this brief uptick, he’ll still end the year with the worst Presidential Jpb Approval Rating of ANY recent president.
Speaking of “historical perspective” Reagan took actions to improve the economy, was strong on foreign policy, and was an optimist which is how he recovered ratings and was re-elected.
Obama is doing the opposite of Reagan. Historical perspective indeed.

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

As I read some of the comments (things about phonies, and other nonsense) I’m reminded of a very intriguing piece I read recently by Julian Sanchez called The Politics of Ressentiment:
“Ressentiment is a sense of resentment and hostility directed at that which one identifies as the cause of one’s frustration, an assignation of blame for one’s frustration. The sense of weakness or inferiority and perhaps jealousy in the face of the “cause” generates a rejecting/justifying value system, or morality, which attacks or denies the perceived source of one’s frustration. The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability.”
Sanchez says a lot, but ultimately he says,”this is a doomed project…It effectively says: We cede to the bogeyman cultural elites the power of stereotypical definition, so becoming the stereotype more fully and grotesquely is our only means of empowerment.”
In this environment, I’ve noticed, things like sheer guts and gut feelings– even if dead wrong– are elevated over a brain and a heart, nuance and civility– as long as one doesn’t blink when following that gut feeling.

Posted by: Elsa Marie | December 18, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

“Try to keep up tjp612.”
Great comeback!
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No, it wasn’t a ‘great comeback’ – your information was not current and thus inaccurate. These things are important regardless of how ‘important’ you think your opinions are.

Posted by: tierra | December 18, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

Posted by: tierra | Dec 18, 2009 3:24:50 PM
Cling to your “52%” today, tierra. He’ll be back below 50% before the end of the year. Count on it!
Obama’s fall in approval ratings this year has been nothing short of spectacular.

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

“We have to spend our way to prosperity.”
This is Obama’s economic plan for America.
And may explain why very few take him seriously anymore.
Probably the 30% that think America is on the right track. Wall Street, special interests, the poor enslaved by the government.
Obama did not look like a rockstar in Copenhagen. He looked like an angry has-been.

Posted by: tyler | December 18, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Cling to your “52%” today, tierra.
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I wasn’t ‘clinging’ to today’s Gallup poll, I was merely pointing out the 52% approval rating for Obama.
You on the other hand were ‘clinging’ to an old 47% rating.

Posted by: tierra | December 18, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

“Hypocrite.”
Snappy. Well done, tierra.
Others would disagree with “52%”:
Friday, December 18, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 28% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14.
The number who Strongly Disapprove of Obama’s performance has now topped 40% for seven straight days and his overall Approval Index rating has been in negative double digits every day for over a month.
Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. That matches the LOWEST level of approval yet recorded for this President. FIFTY-FOUR PERCENT (54%) now DISAPPROVE.
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Yeah, you’re right, the public really digs this hard-left re-distributionalist…

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Yeah, you’re right, the public really digs this hard-left re-distributionalist…
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CNN’s poll of polls has the President at a solid 50%.
And you right wing Republicans will have to make up your minds – is Obama pandering to Wall Street, the big banks, and sold out to Big Pharma OR is he a ‘hard left re-distributionist’?
The right wing Republicans seem so confused and muddled in their arguments on here.
Your big mistake is attacking the President for ‘everything’ he does – it makes your arguments very easy to see through.

Posted by: tierra | December 18, 2009, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

Obama is still holding secret meeting in Copenhagen right now.
The Health care bill is being written in secrecy behind closed doors- and will likely be jammed through on Christmas Eve as was the Federal Reserve Act in 1913.
I am getting crazy tired of all the back room wheeling and dealing of my and my childrens’ futures.
What do they have to hide ?

Posted by: joe smith | December 18, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

“Your big mistake is attacking the President for ‘everything’ he does – it makes your arguments very easy to see through.”
Actually, this is not true. But Obama offers no shortage of positions, lies, actions, and broken promises (remember all the transparency we were promised?) that it just SEEMS we attack ‘everything’ he does!

Posted by: tjp612 | December 18, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

… attacking the President for ‘everything’ he does – it makes your arguments very easy to see through.

Not only that but exaggerating it to the point of the comments from the opposition actually standing as grotesque, heavily exaggerated caricatures of reasonable opposition — but then, the real kicker, is that the Republicans are embracing the caricature and now acting as though the real deal with some bits of merit is weak tea.
Its the Sanchez’s ressentiment thing, mentioned @ 3:21:05 PM.

Posted by: Elsa Marie | December 18, 2009, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

I don’t mind the president making private deals with some countries. I don’t even mind having the Secretary of state commit $100 billion dollars, that nobody has, to pay off the dictators and terrorists (including north Korea, Iran, Iraq Cuba etc.) What I do object to is having the Secratary of state for the United States commit $100 billion dollars from the “developed countries” with the arrogant attitude that now Canada MUST contribute our share. I consider the United States as a great neighbor but this is way over the top. Hillary does not speak for us nor does she have the right to dip into the Canadian treasury.

Posted by: murray from Canada | December 18, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Hi Tierra-
Missing the point,,polls up a little one day down the next..depends on which one you look at.
What is undisputable is the rapid downtrend, not matter which one you look at. 50% favorable approval is not a mandate, not is it “solid” when fully one half DO NOT approve. ANd I tend more toweards Rasmusson based on history. They have predicted the outcome in the last three presidential election with one half of one percent acurracy. And they are in mod 40′s

Posted by: randy faria | December 18, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

sorry about typos…working two jobs, and am tired….

Posted by: randy faria | December 18, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

Obama is an ignorant liar, who makes me physically ill

Posted by: Rick | December 19, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

How ironic that half the posts in here just disappeared. It’s no wonder ABC’s ratings continue their downward spiral, maybe they are linked to Barry’s support.

Posted by: RickOden | December 20, 2009, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

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