Where is bin Laden? Secretary Gates Says No Intel in ‘Years’

Realman1963, Giving info works both ways if you really think hard about it.

Dave; Why would you let anyone know what you know and what you don’t know? One of the cannons of intelligence isn’t just gathering intel, it’s also keeping from the enemy what you do know. Yes, Gates was from the Bush years, but why would he just come out with this? What good does it do?

Of course it’s more important to keep up the lies about him being dead. The hidden Oligarchy is using his existence as a way to keep the public fearful.

JDouglas; And how do you know that for a fact? I know lots of people believe that, but there’s never any supporting information given. I mean you give the exact date of Dec. 12, 2001. Where is your supporting evidence. He may be dead, but I’ve never heard anything really concrete.

Probably buried in one of those hills in Afghanistan

It’s better for us that that he remains a mystery, that way the worlds governments can keep up the scare tactics!

Thank God Obama kept this “genius” from the Bush administration… Nice choice “Barky”, now WHERE is the “change”, let alone the competency!!!
Sounds like somebody couldn’t locate a certan anatomical part of their body with a map, both hands and a flashlight!
Is ANYBODY in politics held accountable for their failures… EVER!!! My God!
No keep Gates on, he’s admittedly succeeding at something… FAILURE!!!

We can read a license plate from 200 miles away, but we can’t find a 6′ 4″ Turban guy on dialysis, anywhere ?? Puzzling.
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He changed his name hee,hee…Don’t tell
anyone.

Is anyone suprised at all by this news, I am not, Bin laden was recruited while in universty in america by the CIA, his was well trained to help over throw a setting government america did not like but just like Castro and Sadam Hussein we blew it and they turned against us, no great suprise anyone willing to turn their backs on their own country men should have never been trusted in the first place.

Bin Laden may have long been dead and buried. Of course the al-cheda gang would rather prefer the world sees him as an elusive and invincible character that cannot be captured.

If I was Gates and I had leads on bin Laden’s location, I’d still tell George we don’t have a clue. Why tip al Qaeda off? It’s the height of conceit that George and ABC think Gates would have told them about information we have on bin Laden! Anyway, the fact that I’ve never heard of anyone doing a voice analysis of the recordings (there hasn’t been any video since about 2002) claimed to be bin Laden. Why not? In the past, such possibly-attributed to so-and-so recordings on answering machines, etc. were always voice-analyzed by ABC News, etc. Why not the bin Laden tapes? Maybe he’s dead (he’s been on dialysis for years) or maybe he’s disguised his appearance and doesn’t want to give that away.

He is dead. He won’t be found. He was on Peritonial dialysis for kidney failure on 9/11. He would not have survived this long in the mountains all these years. I myself did this procedure and was spared by transplant. Others have taken up his fight but OBL, himself, is dead. It is not about one man anymore.

ignoring documented warnings from the Clinton Admins to make his capture/death a top priority.
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Everything was just peachy-keen under President Clinton….no unemployment, no deficit, no problems…right? That’s what all you Democrats keep saying. Everything was sunshine and roses right up to the day President Bush took office.
So why didn’t President Clinton get OBL? All that wonderful information that President Clinton passed on to President Bush that President Bush just ignored. Right?
So why didn’t President Clinton, with all that wonder intelligence catch Osama Bin Laden during his eight years in office? Anyone…

If Obama had bin Laden in his sites, he’d probably do what Clinton did when he could have gotten bin Laden – wimp out. Let’s hope the military misunderstands Obama and shoots first and apologizes later. Otherwise, we’ll need another President like Bush to come in and take the terrorists on with conviction and unrelenting purpose.

Before we went into Afghanistan, we were graced with bin ladens videos quite frequently.
Since we cooked Tora Bora, there have not been any real clear videos of this terrorist. Oh we’ve had audio, that is supposed to be him and some hazy, grainy video of some guy in rags, but not the videos of him sitting infront of the camera like before.
I think he’s dead. Been dead for quite some time.

The current democratic congress, president, and his administration have been threatening the CIA with investigations for a long time. It is quite possible that the CIA is not letting this administration know anything as retribution which is fine with me for many reasons that are too long to discuss here.

GATES,AND THE MEDIA ARE LYING TO YOU—————–BIN LADEN HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE 2002,OF KIDNEY FAILURE.WHAT IDIOTS!

Anyone who believes this BS needs their head examined.
A nation that can kill with a unseen drone operated by a guy in a cubicle in Langley… A nation that has satellites circling the globe, with the ability to see and ID things as small as license plates on cars… and all the really advanced tech that is kept from public knowledge… not to mention the hundreds and hundreds of $$$Billions of dollars spent in the ‘Terror Wars’ …
And we, the dumb taxpaying public, is supposed to believe that the ‘instigator’ – the man, who if he did not exist there would have never been a 9/11 – is too difficult to track down and now for years upon years there has been no intel on his whereabouts.
This is nothing more than further proof that 9/11 was indeed an ‘Inside Job’, perpetrated on the American public and the world by the ‘Hidden Hand’ that hides behind the CFR.
This would all be laughable were it not for the Murdered Firemen, Policemen, Office workers and pilots and passengers. And all the death that followed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now, Iran? There will be a day of reckoning. I’m glad that blood – enough to fill a large lake – is not on my conscience.

Bush = Fail

Bin Laden died eight years ago this month. That’s why sixth months after 9/11, Bush said he didn’t know and didn’t care where Bin Laden was, he knew that Osama had died.

Obama stated in his speech at West Point that we were going after al qaeda who planned 9/11 at the epicenter of where
they planned that and are currently planning more.
Truth is, we are escalating to fight the Afghans for their own country. Bin Laden is dead. According to all reports, what is left of al qaeda is in northwestern Pakistan. Our troops are being sent to southern Afghanistan.
It is turning out that Bush and Cheney were right to move the front of the war out of Afghan. No one has ever defeated those people. They ran al qaeda out which was their mission going in. They kept a minimal number of troops to ensure they didn’t come back.
When Obama got in office, he immediately stepped up the bombings in Afghanistan and escalated the war there by driving more and more Afghans to join up with the Taliban to fight us and run us out of their country.
This is not going to end well for the US on top of the fact, we cannot afford it.

When Bush began ramping up for the Iraq invasion, he led us to believe that Bin Laden was probably dead. But then he came back alive and was always ready to dispatch a timely tape to fan our fear and bolster the Bush/Cheney/Rove national security fear index. Someday we may learn the real story behind Bin Laden. We do know that by intention or incompetence Bush let him escape from Tora Bora.

It’s been obvious from the get go, no-one ever really wanted to catch Bin Laden how else could we continue with the war on terror? When I read these blogs and the excuses to continue these phony wars I realize how many stupid people there are in the US. Bin Laden is probably hagging out in a Presidential Palace in Saudi. Soon the Cheney and members of the PNAC will have their way, what a bunch of creeps. They won’t stop until it’s WW3 and Obama is no better than Bush.

If people were held accountable in government, Obama would be out already. Lie machine. I guess he didn’t take history in school. You let the generals run the war. Maybe he took islamic history. he is a moron and a sad, sad, sad commander in chief.

As a Republican Secretary Robert gates originally worked for Bush.
With Obama wanting to be bipartisan, Secretary Robert Gates is working with/or against Obama, in the same position.
The lesson to learn is:
Democrats go out of their way to work with Republicans.
Republicans go out of their way to work Against Democrats.
Republicans Never work well with others.
I say, Kick the Republican bumb Gates out and begin to have Independents replace the Republicans.
At least Independents also believe in being bipartisan and try to work well with others.

kept hearing about these “safe havens”, that I thought were safe places for terrorists to be and off limits for the U.S. to attack. Unreal…. nobody ever questions this stuff…

With Obama wanting to be bipartisan, Secretary Robert Gates is working with/or against Obama, in the same position.
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Angie,
Bipartisanship is a two-way street. Successful bipartisanship REQIRES compromise and give and take.
President Obama says he wants to be bipartison. I really don’t believe him. Look at everything passed or even debated by Congress since he was sworn in.
President Obama’s idea of bipartisonship is: Everyone has to agree with me.
If the Republican representatives do not go along with what he and the Democrats in Congress want to do, they are ‘naysayers’, ‘obstructionists’, ‘anti-Americans, and various other negative names.
There is NO true attempt at compromise. It’s all bully-tactics and rule by might of numbers. That is not bipartisonship.
Having scolded President Obama and the Democrats, let me turn my attention to the Republican members of Congress. Work with the President and Democrats! You don’t have to agree with everything they want, but at least try to negotiate in good faith whether they want to or not.
To President Obama, Democrats, Republicans and Independents. We American citizens are tired of the bikering and posturing. You were elected to SERVE America and her citizens. DO IT!

Two questions for ABC News.
Didn’t you guys report that according to widespread agreement among US intelligence that there are only about a hundred AlQaeda left in Afganistan? I guess a thousand troops for each one is necessary.
WHY does the FBI Most Wanted poster for Bin Laden not state that he is wanted for conspiracy to commit the 9/11 attacks? They must know something we don’t.
Seriously, many of us would like to know the truth even if it is as ugly as we think it is.

I think I was wrong before, Osama has moved to China, had an ethnic-Chinese makeover, and is now making drywall for export.
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Either that or all those cheap toys made with dangerous parts and high-lead content toys to kill our youngest generation.

I just watched Gates on one of the liberal propaganda efforts on an alphabet network. The man lies poorly. Why is he still here? I saw John McCain trying to prop up Obama’s surge-while-retreating show, reaching across the aisle to Al Queda & the Taliban. I am ashamed and sick of the whole lot in Washington, D.C.. Let me know when the revolution starts.

> c’mon CIA, it’s time to celebrate the holidays.. isn’t it about time another video/audio surfaced?

malcat-good point. It is Christmas time after all!

Give it a rest. We’ve spent years chasing a ghost. Afghanistan was Russia’s Vietnam. At full power the Ruskies spent 13 years in Afghanistan and left with their tails between their legs. Who ran them out, you ask. U.S. trained and supplied, Bin Laden. U.S. involvementin Afghanistan will end in tragedy. Obama better get a room at Dover AFB.

That stumped tooth, dirty dog John Kerry knows where he is. Read the senate report and it will tell you.

he had plastic surgery and is now living ing the white house.

Aah, there are dialysis machines all over the place in Tora Bora. You can’t go down a goat path without stumbling over one.

Bin Ladin is DEAD DEAD DEAD..George Bush got him….. Thanks George

I honestly do not think Bin Laden will ever be captured. For one, he is a figurehead only, a symbol, and not terribly important in himself at this point. For another, IF he were captured, that would mean a trial or at least some public forum in which he could TALK, and that, I suspect, would prove terribly damaging to certain interests in the US who were complicit, perhaps even BEHIND the 9/11 events. He will either be killed (assuming he is still alive, which is dubious) or never found. I have known this from the get-go. The last thing desired is a full airing of actual facts re’ his relationship with the CIA/US powers that be. And to focus on him at this point is a red herring. Leave him to die in a cave somewhere if he has not already. Focus on the agents we CAN FIND and fight every day.

Thank you, George! Even that you didnt do your usual “Next – Sunday Funnies” only to show the obituaries becouse of the fact that you had ran out of time. Still – it was nice.

No news? He’s dead! Only fools and liars keep perpetuating the existence of the much needed boogeyman!
Benazir Bhutto was assassinated only two weeks after she told the world in a BBC interview that OBL was and has been dead for quite a while!
Now it’s time to go after the real criminals.
A good start would be- Bush,Condie,Rumsfeld,Rove,Kristol.Bremer and Cheney!

It’s been less than a week and Obama’s already weak excuse for a strategy in Afghanistan has been duck walked backward by several years, termed by Clinton and Gates a process toward ‘transition ‘ only, and only a’conditionally based’ pull-out, plus scripted ‘demands’ to get into an expansion of the war to Pakistan — what will 6 months bring?
The reason that Obama, Clinton and Gates are all having extreme difficulty defending this BS is all the same:
The key to understanding the impossibility of Obama’s dilemma is that he is trying to defend a Global Empire with American blood and treasure.
Obviously Obama will not articulate this reality, and thus his plan entails seminal incongruities, which are seen by a few, but sensed by the wider audience of Americans.
Obama has tried to gloss over these incongruities by using the historical techniques of Empires’ salesmen — he has engendered fear by characterizing the enemy as a “spreading cancer”, or ‘falling dominos’ like communism — but the real spreading cancer is the Global Empire that hired him to guilefully defend it with American blood and treasure.
Historically, the salesmanship of Empire has always been based on promising the domestic population that they will share the ‘spoils of war’, or the ‘safety of winning’, in return for fighting, and paying, for imperialist adventures.
But Obama, although a consummate salesman, will encounter increasing resistance from the American populus because of the unique incongruities of fighting and paying for a Global Empire with domestic dollars and dead, and without any benefits actually accruing to the American public.
Obama’s dilemma in selling and defending the escalation of war first in Afghanistan, and then in Central Asia and the greater Middle East, is the same as his dilemma regarding his escalating defense of the very same Global Empire on Wall Street —- that all the benefits are privatized and all the costs are socialized.
Alan M
Sanford, Maine

“Where is bin Laden?” I figured Obama and team would have gotten him by now.

It is a height of sheer absurdity for US government to claim that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are in danger of falling in to the hands of Islamic extremists if Taliban insurgency wins in Afghanistan when Pakistan’s current democratic as well as previous military governments are sheltering and protecting the leaders of that very Taliban Afghan insurgency in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan.
General McChrystal clearly laid out in his assessment to President Obama that:
1. Most insurgent fighters in Afghanistan are directed by a small number of Afghan senior leaders based in Pakistan that work through an alternative political infrastructure in Afghanistan.
2. The Quetta Shura Taliban (QST) based in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan, is the No. 1 threat to US/NATO mission in Afghanistan. At the operational level, the Quetta Shura conducts a formal campaign review each winter, after which Mullah Mohammed Omar (Afghan Taliban Chief) announces his guidance and intent for the coming year.
3. Afghanistan’s insurgency is clearly supported from Pakistan. Senior leaders of the major Afghan insurgent groups (QST, HQN and HiG) are based in Pakistan, are linked with al Qaeda and other violent extremist groups, and are reportedly aided by some elements of Pakistan’s lSI. Al Qaeda and associated movements (AQAM) based in Pakistan channel foreign fighters, suicide bombers, and technical assistance into Afghanistan, and offer ideological motivation, training, and financial support.
Pakistan is sheltering and protecting these Afghan insurgent groups to reestablish its writ in Afghanistan as and when US leaves.
As Times of London reported on 9/28/09, Pakistani government started to relocate Afghan Taliban’s QST leaders to Karachi to protect them from impending US drone attacks on Quetta after the submittal of General McChrystal’s assessment.
With an ally like Pakistan, US has NO chance of winning in Afghanistan no matter how much military efforts or aid US pours there.

Now that US occupies AFPAK, it can prepare for occupation of Iran. To get dumb Americans support the forthcoming war on Iran, OBL has to be spotted in Tehran or Bushehr. Soon the world headlines will flash the news of intercepts of OBL messages coming out of Iran, and the fat-assed Americans will be ready with their support for the war. War is America’s lifeline.

Of course, Osama bin Laden is dead. While he may have survived Tora Bora, maybe, his dependence on dialysis was grave at that time. A couple of years ago, video went out to the world showing an Osama bin Laden with no gray in his beard. International experts studied the images carefully and concluded that this was a look-a-like. There was an earthquake in northwestern Pakistan in 2005 that killed over 70,000 and injured an additional 200,000. There were those at that time who said that Osama bin Laden had died in the aftermath. So al Qaeda wants us to think that Osama lives and most everybody plays right along with it despite the reality. Why?

Ask Mulla Krekar

There’s a good chance that OBL might be found in a WHERE’S WALDO book.

I know some people are confused about issues of facts, but OBL was never on the payroll of the CIA. Osama even stated this himself. On the other hand the mujahideen got money from the CIA.
The idea that the CIA creating OBL is a myth.

The lefty nutjobs accused Bush of waiting until the election to kill bib laden to gain vote.
So now, what is baracks excuse?

Forget about bin Laden. Even if he is captured/obliterated, whatever, he will become a martyr, and even more of a cult figure than he is now.
Concentrate on the “findable” tentacles of Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and obliterate them. Then, if bin Laden is finally tracked down, he will become an irrelevancy – a footnote to history.

He is already DEAD folks and the enemy wants us to believe he is still alive.

1. I wouldn’t expect SECDEF to admit intel on Bin Laden even if he did know more. This would defeat the purpose of covert intelligence.
2. I don’t think it’s “startling” that we don’t know Bn Laden’s whereabouts; the only thing mind-boggling is why we’re still in Afghanistan where our admitted foe is not now and has not been in about 8 years.
3. What’s the real story here? What is our responsibility to rebuilding Afghanistan now that we’ve invaded it? Yes, we could bail out without guilt in that Afghanistan caused the flap in the 1st place by refusing to give up Bin Laden. However, this would overlook the fact that the current administration (whatever the recent election discrepancies) is NOT the former Talibani-led regime who did the dirty deed, and a vacuum of power could lead to a hotbed of terrorist activities and reprisals against US-sympathizers similar to the fall of Saigon. I am for pull-out, in as humane as way as possible, yet as quickly as possible. No, I’m not a dove. Yes, if we knew Bin Laden’s whereabouts, I would be for sending in forces to take him out (regardless of borders).

OBL is known to be dead. He was also an asset. There is no such thing as US intelligence. I know this first hand; it is my work. Wars are waged for reasons having nothing to do with the propaganda the State Department crafts (and does so poorly). Only Americans bother to defend America–only Americans are so foolish.

Bin Laden is dead, has been for years. If he were still alive, Al Queda would have released a new video with him holding a recent newspaper and yapping about how the infidel would burn … blah, blah, blah.
He’s dead. There is no reason to believe otherwise. That’s why there’s no intel.

Here is another good possibility. President Obama should ask some of his relatives with connections over there if they know anything on his whereabouts. OR Why make this so politically correct just send in a few lawyers like the ones digging up information on Sarah. They have excellent fact finding skills that could be put to some practical use.

Now let me get this straight. The CIA self admittedly stated that Bin Laden was at Tora Bora and could have been captured with more Rangers inserted. Gen. Tommy Franks decided against this and Bin Laden escaped. So now, people want to blame this administration? Has the ability to objectively think through issues disappeared entirely from American discourse?