White House Pushes Back on Climate Change Email Controversy

So Dr. Robert Gibbs, B.A. (Political Science, North Carolina State) tells me the science is settled? I want a second opinion. Holdren, a lunatic, doesn’t count.

Specific Scientists have placed themselves in the position of Gods. Having used their influence granted through tax payers’ dollars, they have abused the trust afforded to them placing a dark cloud over the scientific community as a whole. Surely, science will recover from this event as time heals all wounds.
‘Truth is the daughter of time’ was forgotten by this specific Scientific Fiefdom, but acknowledgment of other traditional philosophies which built science to the current respect also have been ignored, such as “Science has no place in politics, religion, entertainment, fame and wealth”. Often, however, such important socially advancing fields as science need set backs and thus force both current and potential abusers to fall back to traditional thinking. This is the nature in the evolution of human thought and growth.
Recent events show the denial by these abusers of social trust, along with their followers, of the devastating magnitude of their deceptive and deviant activity while trying to maintain their stature in civilization. This denial will continue dragging the entire scientific community into the pit. Unfortunately, a self awakened reality of their misdeeds likely will not appear until admission followed by humility becomes obvious to society. Forgiveness is the divinity of our civilization but forgetting never can be allowed.

How much longer are people like Holdren and Inslee going to defend this crap! Now the oceans are more acidic because of CO2 in the air, they can’t defend climate change anymore, becuase the climate is no longer cooperating with their science (maybe we should call it a religion now)? All these climate change spirits are not pleased with our CO2 emissions and they are taking our offering of CO2, and turning it into acid for the oceans, and heat for the artic. These scientists, and politicians are asking us to completely change our lives, pay more for the energy, and live less comfortably based on “the debate is over”. NO, I refuse!

From a software professional reviewing Jim Hansen’s code, discussing temperature stations:
“When you look at the longest lived cohort, those over about 100 years lifetime, there is no warming signal present in the data to speak of. When you look at the much shorter lived cohorts, you find a very strong warming signal, especially in the winter months. On further inspection of the data it looks like a lot of thermometers “arrived” at places with low latitudes AND at airports (newly built as the “jet age” arrived).
It appears that the “consensus” has been greatly influenced by Phil Jones’ mess at CRU and the curious adjustments of Jim Hansen at NASA.

The people defending scientists and science could spend a few minutes directly addressing the contents of the emails.
Good scientists should welcome skepticism.

ABC is finally pulled into actually reporting on an issue and as a continuing indication of how they slant the news, ABC elects to defend bad science practices without investigation. This is akin to taking Nixon at his word (which ABC did not do) in response to Washington Post reports based on unattributed information. The real story is not that the issue has been raised or that the science has been questioned but whether the data set was widely used and if so what evidence resided within that data that would actually cast doubt on “scientific thinking.” Note the extended use of “climate change” instead of global warming? One suspects that others within this group had access to the same data and decided they had been played.

“So, now ABC is reporting on the White House response when it did not report on the controversy from the start?”
Sounds familiar. Van Jones anyone?

This of course places the Whitehouse in bed with the fraudulant hoax perpetrators, where those of us who have watched this international conpiracy develop over the years,knew they were there all along. Investigations with the threat of joining scooter libby ought to keep Congress busy for years,keeping them out of the business of ruining the nation and making it a socialist hellhole.

All I know is that I am freezing in NM right now.

Huh…It’s freezing in NM and snowing in Texas, because of Polar bear made Global Cooling.

Jake, the UEA email servers were hacked, and the emails were retrieved/dowloaded/stolen (pick one), to say that the ‘emails were hacked’ implies that the emails were either altered, fabricated, or falsified…
We have been told the emails were false – they are true.
We have been told that scientists ‘speak a different language’ or have different meanings – that is silly.
We have been told it’s only a handful of scientists – true, but the right set of scientists can have immense impact by limiting who is peer-reviewed or funded.
Now we hear about 2,500 scientists who believe global warming is happening, and that it is caused by man – I assume those are the signers of the IPCC report, right? How many ‘signers’ were included against their will (tried to pull support)? How man scientists involved in this ‘event’ are part of the 2,500 signers? Maybe someone should start subtracting these folks from the 2,500 and see what the real number is?
Also, if I can get 3,000 scientists to dispute global warming do I ‘win’ and my view prvails? Of course not, but that’s how politicians view this issue, as a polling exercise.
Scientists were shown to be suppressing open debate, witholding source data from other researchers, ‘manipulating’ source data, destroying source data, denying peer review to opposing viewpoints, and conspiring to rig the peer-review process in these emails. We need to find out how isolated these acts were… And if someone tries to prevent that assessment, or jump to an uninformed conclusion please, rebouble your efforts to find the truth.
Thanks.

All this denial from people so vested in the AGW scam. Hope our President gets a clue before he walks into Copenhagen blind — again.

Of course the Obama Administration is fighting back–they lose billions without global warming as an excuse.
An excuse to take more of our money.

The sound you hear is that of all the global warming LIARS erasing and changing thier hard drives

In one corner we have the established scientific fact of human-caused global climate change. In the other, we have a well-coordinated, industry-funded PR campaign to promote a handful of cranks, crackpots and outright frauds in a transparent attempt to muddle the debate and forestall action. In the middle of this, a criminal hacks into a University computer, steals private e-mails, and releases a carefully-selected, selectively edited selection. Anybody think this is a mere coincidence on the eve of the Copenhagen summit? Anybody think that these criminal scumbags are NOT bought and paid for with petrodollars? Anybody honestly believe what the Denial Campaign is trying to sell you? Anybody remember Big Tobacco doing EXACTLY the same thing?

Yukon Sam—- Many of us doubted any validity of AGW from the start. These emails have caused resignations already which would certainly lead most to believe these are not a hoax. Global warming is mother nature, AGW is BS.

Interesting these emails!”"”"”"”"”I really wish I could be more positive about the Kyrgyzstan material, but I swear I pulled every trick out of my sleeve trying to milk something out of that. It was pretty funny though – I told Malcolm what you said about my possibly being too Graybill-like in evaluating the response functions—he laughed and said that’s what he thought at first also. The data’s tempting but there’s too much variation even within stands. I don’t think it’d be productive to try and juggle the chronology statistics any more than I already have.”"”"”"”"”‘

No one thinks climate change is a hoax: the climate changes every day. It’s Anthropogenic Global Warming that is the hoax. Remember when the handy name change occurred? A couple of years ago when that big climate conference headlined by Al Gore had to be canceled because of the early and heavy snow that shut D.C. down. It’s been Climate Change ever since. I read yesterday that carbon trading was invented by Ken Lay of Enron fame. What a scam. Thanks for mentioning the issue, Mr. Tapper. The American media has been shockingly slow to cover this major story.

Jake – Why don’t you do an article on what the rest of the world is reporting? Scientists being investigated, stepping down, the content of the emails, the thousands of scientists who don’t agree with the 2500 and the fact that they have not allowed debate and now we find that it should be debated because there is FRAUD.
Where is journalism? Aren’t you guys journalists? Shouldn’t you be ahead of the public on this?
It seems everybody in the world knows more facts about this scandal than the investigative reporters that should be keeping us informed.
Come on Jake – go against the grain – be a rebel – don’t let their agenda silence you!

The White House is framing this scandal as another debate on global warming instead of a serious breach of integrity that erodes the field they claim to champion: Pure Science.
This whistle-blower’s cache of info indicates an idealogical tribalism that threatens to make historic fools of this administration. They should be leading the voices of concern, and championing a full examination of the record.
Instead, once again, they prove to be petty, a Mini-Me White House, and only capable of “acting stupidly”.

“No one has been as badly let down by the revelations in these emails as those of us who have championed the science,” he wrote. “We should be the first to demand that it is unimpeachable, not the last.”
-George Manbiot in the Guardian UK

Robert GIbbs is a fool – Of course the climate is changing. It always does. Its global warming that is the hoax!

Actually, CBS had a pretty fair article on their web site yesterday. It’s simply a matter of time before ABC et al will have to begin reporting on this. Think about the Edwards controversy, it was out there and everyone who used the internet already know all the details before the MSM started to cover it.

“Climategate” broke about two weeks ago. As of yesterday or the day before, the scandal had been mentioned exactly once (“This Week”) by ABCCBSNBC.
This is sick. The only possible reason to spike the story is to keep ordinary people in the dark about the revelations. For the global warmists it was, “Hide the decline.” For their acolytes in network boardrooms, it’s, “Keep the lid on.”
I know Tapper would cover it big-time if he were allowed to. Anyway, another reason to distrust Charlie, Katie, and Brian. It’s not that they lie or spin. It’s the omissions, stupid.

Actually, CBS had a pretty fair article on their web site yesterday. It’s simply a matter of time before ABC et al will have to begin reporting on this.
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This issue has been covered by the main stream media since it broke – they just didn’t go hysterical like the right wing bloggers did.

So FINALLY somthing from A.B.C. about this fraud called global warming. I know it might damage the chances of getting tax and trade pushed through but India and Australia already killed theirs, The truth is such a pesky thing isn’t it ?

I finally found out that
Climate Change = They are talking + We are paying the bill.

CNN = Biased Reporting + Deleting My Postings + Personal Destruction … CNN is our big name of Cable News?
I was a CNN viewer for 15+ years. I changed my channels after the election of 2008.

Obama should order these guys to merge for his sake: CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS.
The above formula is : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

I would recommend a look at the emails of all the other so-called non-biased scientific organizations who have studied this and found global warming to be real. I suspect you’d find the same sort of thing.
Most of them are, I predict, purging their files of incriminating data. The only people for global warming are the ones making money(our money) off it. Hard to believe that liberals would be motivated by something as horrible as greed isn’t it? Anybody personally experienced or witnessed global warming?

its snowing in texas, earliest snow in texas in 90 years. what a hoax.i have hired experts to prepare enviormental impact reports….these experts opinions shift dependeing on the funding source. the govt has been funding these studies and they get what they paid for.

“If you want to talk about liberals or progressives, consider quoting Rachel Maddow, Glenn Greenwald Paul Krugman, Think Progress, Steve Benen from Political Animal, the folks at TPM, or Markos of Daily Kos.”
Yikes…that’s quite a cast of characters. From my POV, these folks are pretty far Left. It’s tough to quote these Lefties when:
- I don’t watch Maddow, so therefore can’t quote her
- You mean Enron advisor Paul Krugman? (and, as we will witness next week, having a Nobel Prize on your resume doesn’t necessarily mean one has accomplished anything)
- I don’t waste time reading any of the propaganda delivered by the balance of your list, so I can’t quote them either.
I am aware of Matthews’ latest blunder only due to the publicity he received for his sheer stupidity. As long as he is included within the same line-up as unhinged ranters such as Olbermann, Schuster, and Schultz, he will be painted with same brush.

Most of them are, I predict, purging their files of incriminating data.
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That’s your opinion and nothing more.
Scientists who have studied the East Anglia emails say there was nothing deleted. So you don’t even have the initial example, never mind your fantasy projections.
And yes, scientists do attack studies they consider weak or improperly conducted – it’s part of the process.

Folks, please keep in mind that even disregarding climate benefits there are a lot of good reasons to cut our carbon emissions. The legislation the Senate will vote on–the Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act–would reduce our reliance on foreign oil, shore up our national security, and cut air pollution. Most importantly, it would create millions of jobs across the country. Skeptical of the job-creation claims? Just look to Germany, where a carbon tax has spurred the greatest job growth that country has seen in ages. Clean energy jobs already exist by the thousands in most American states, and we’re destined to see more if we enact the clean energy bill. At an estimated cost of just $3 to $4 a month for the average American (according to independent analyses by the CBO, EPA, and Energy Dept.), those are benefits we can’t afford to say no to.
As for the CRU emails, they unfortunately cannot take away the fact that glaciers are receding, sea ice is melting, and crop yields are dropping, to name just a few of the visible signs of climate change. The US Senate must resist the attacks of those who would put conspiracy theories before progress. We need them to enact the clean energy bill as soon as possible.

“”"”"Scientists who have studied the East Anglia emails say there was nothing deleted. “”"”"”"
Posted by: tierra
I guess boss man quit for nothing then. OK everybody, the hoax is over. Nothing to see here. Seriously Tierra, are you defending AGW still?

“”"”We need them to enact the clean energy bill as soon as possible.”"”"
Posted by: Marie
You probably won’t see any argument against clean energy, but you will see an argument against AGW as many didn’t believe it in the first place. Global climate change is all mother nature and we can’t do anything about it.

half these crooks dems and reps will profit from a climate bill or cap and trade. Gore is a multi millionaire from it and his pals are right behind him. This is a haox.
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It’s the oil industry crooks who are trying to preserve their domain of pollution. Same as always . . . now who would be involved in oil that we’ve heard of before? Bush? Cheney? The right wing?

“As for the CRU emails, they unfortunately cannot take away the fact that glaciers are receding, sea ice is melting, and crop yields are dropping, to name just a few of the visible signs of climate change.”
Sorry, these are not “facts” – They are talking points of the AGW priests and believers.
“(The) American Power Act would reduce our reliance on foreign oil, shore up our national security, and cut air pollution. Most importantly, it would create millions of jobs across the country.”
Know what else would reduce reliance on foreign oil, shore up our national security and would create millions of jobs while cutting our foreign debt? Extracting oil and gas that lies below the ground we walk and off the shores we swim. Know what would cut air pollution (and, ironically, would provide a foundation for the “electric car nirvana” the libs desperately crave)? Construction of nuclear plants.
But neither of these options fit the liberal paradigm nor do they pay out to the liberal political class on their cronies.

I believe the “2500 other scientists” base many of their conclusions on the raw data provided by the CRU.
The raw data CRU provided to these scientists was skewed as shown in their source code.
I’m willing to be there is some serious WH strong-arming going on to make sure none of these 2500 scientists decide to reconsider their opinions.

The Global warming alarmists know deep down the jig is up. Unless the libs are illiterate are unable to grasp the simple fact that the earth has been cooling since 1998. Man made global warming is a lie that has been outed and will continue to be exposed for the hoax that it is. THE ORIGINAL DATA HAS BEEN DELETED AND MANIPULATED… THIS IS NOT SCIENCE.

It’s hard for me to credit so many people being played for suckers by the Denial Campaign, but I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. Their previous hit, the “Smoking is Harmless” campaign managed to delay regulation for years, a huge win for Big Tobacco even after figuring in the cost of the lawsuits years later for their litany of lies and deception.
The industrial titans paying the same people the same big bucks for the same propoganda will doubtless face the same lawsuits for their lies… assuming there’s anybody left in the aftermath to file suit.

“”"”there must be general agreement about the underlying science. There isn’t now.”"”"”
Posted by: sagman888
I would say there is a general agreement that one side manipulated information. One email even stated, and I quote, “it’s not science, it’s a gut feeling”.

“Before drastic action is taken, there must be general agreement about the underlying science.”
Agreed. Let’s make the (far-reaching) assumption that AGW is real. The costs of ADAPTING to climate change would be FAR LESS than the costs to try to PREVENT global warming. Yet, this option is never (or rarely, at best) discussed. Also not discussed would be the potential benefits of an Earth that is a few degrees warmer. Instead, the hucksters and hacks rush towards wealth re-distribution as a solution. Why? Because wealth re-distribution brings power and riches to the corrupt politicians and their cronies. In the meantime, REAL and TANGIBLE problems go unaddressed.

terria…i ve hired many scientits/enviormental experts…and you get what you pay for. the earth has been cooling recently,must be because of global warming?

tierra — Oh I forgot, the Democrats have the market cornered on education and intelligence and apparently, science. I am no right wing nut, but for you to hang on to a theory so hotly debated for the past 15 years after this is amazing. I am all for cleaning up our environment. You don’t seem to understand the very SCIENTISTS benefitting monetarily are the same ones’ manipulating data. You think the oil companies are behind this? Maybe Cheney and Bush? For as stupid as many believed they were, if they were able to pull this off, even i might have to call them……well, smart!

Oil is not threatened by regulation supported by AGW believers and political hacks.
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Oh of course, the oil industry is not at all threatened by the regulations that will be imposed if carbon emissions are to be limited – not at all! Hahahah . . .
Of course they will be greatly impacted – their product contributes MAJOR parts of the carbon in the air and they will pay for that.
You don’t think major oil industries, or the tar sands in Canada or Venezuela, will be financially HUGELY impacted by any kind of cap and trade, or tax, or fines?
Time to get in touch with reality.

“They have an agenda to discredit global warming (can you say ‘oil industry’ boys and girls?) and go back to wasting and pollution – again creationism and the ‘faithful’ rears its ugly head – it’s in God’s hand, not ours. I believe in science.”
Tierra – You may “believe” in science, but you apparently do not “understand” science. Regulations/Policies/Legislation craved by the AGW crowd are not a threat to Big Oil. None whatsoever. Oil will, for the foreseeable future (and most likely the rest of our lifetimes), play a big role in our energy consumption habits. As I previously stated, coal would be the energy sector most likely to be impacted by AGW-friendly legislation.
So, put away the Big Oil/Bush/Cheney/etc. conspiracies. Your assertion does not hold water and comes off as pure “Bush did it” partisan scapegoating.

tierra…oil companies wont be afected,,,we will as the cost of cap and bull will passed on to the consumer.nothing green works until gas is above 4.50 a gallon, which would further crush our economy. watching how unsuccessful this admin is at job creation, i am beggining to think that perhaps further erosion of our economy maybe part of the plan.

so, if this kind of acrimony is common in science, but not a big deal because “over time” what’s right and wrong is “sorted out”, wouldn’t the proper approach for the administration be to hold off on cap and trade and endorsing further international treaties until things are “sorted out over time?” idiots!

“You don’t think major oil industries, or the tar sands in Canada or Venezuela, will be financially HUGELY impacted by any kind of cap and trade, or tax, or fines? Time to get in touch with reality.”
No, I don’t. I know who will get impacted: Those of us who are interested in having less of our hard-earned wages appropriated by the government, those of us who would like to drive something more than a compact toy car, those of us who aren’t interested in paying more and more for electricity, goods, and services.
Oil isn’t going away. While you may “believe in science” you do not understand that there are no energy sources currently available that have the energy density and portability to service our transportation (and other) needs on a large scale. Progress will be made. But for you to claim that Big Oil/Bush/Cheney, etc. are behind the “denier movement” is nothing less than absurd.

there also used to be a “consensus” that the earth was the center of the universe until a little thing like the copernican theory blew that up.

. But for you to claim that Big Oil/Bush/Cheney, etc. are behind the “denier movement” is nothing less than absurd.
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Of course Big Oil is behind funding the denier movement – that is clearly illustrated by Tim Ball and his crowd. Amply funded by Big Oil.
Why don’t you just come out front and admit it – most of the denier research has been funded by Big Oil.
Then at least you’d be partially truthful.

None of the raw data was destroyed. Copies of the data were purged, but records of the raw data are maintained by the collecting stations. NOAA has reams of it online, if you want to crunch it yourself.

“Seriously, what’s the ulterior motive here?”
Al Gore exited public life with a net worth of under $5 million in 2000. His net worth is now measured in the tens (hundreds?) of millions. Phil Jones of CRU was the recipient (or co-recipient) of some $19 million in research grants between 2000 and 2006 (a six-fold increase over what he’d been awarded in the 1990s). Michael Mann of Penn State has received global prestige and notoriety through his “climate science” work. Imagine if it were somehow revealed that AGW is a hoax – Do you think these men would be affected in very negative ways?
The Far Left craves power, control, and expansion of government. If they are able to regulate energy (the “food” of our economy) through a crisis such as AGW, don’t you think they would have a vested interest in “believing” in AGW?
Make sense?

Yep, phrases like “grow a brain” really persuade me to see your side of things.
Enjoy having all the answers, pal. Must make life a lot easier. Oh, and keep responding to people asking you to flesh out and articulate your ideas and assertions with condescension and insults. That’s really productive, too.

@Neil OK, first thank you for actually citing something other than a free-floating hatred of “liberals” in responding to my questions.
Just to walk through this a little more, then, so Third World countries have perpetrated this hoax over the last 10 to 15 years, involving 2500 of the world’s scientists as well as first-world governments including the United States, in order to get $10 billion a year in aid?
I’d find that a lot more credible if you could show me that those countries aren’t already receiving at least that much in aid for other development programs (like fighting AIDS–does that mean AIDS is a myth, too?). And if you could help me figure out exactly how they’d have the resources to perpetrate such a massive conspiracy and hoax, but still need our resources as badly as they do…

PS @Neil so far our conversation has been mostly civil, but please do not put “crazy rightwinger” in quotes as if I said it. I have not used such a phrase once and I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth. I am simply asking the people here who are so certain that a conspiracy is afoot to continue logically down that path and help me at least better understand their point of view, even if I don’t necessarily agree with it.
However you want to criticize the idea of the cash being requested by the UN is one thing — that still does not necessarily a) connect to the emails or b) mean there is a worldwide suppressive conspiracy among scientists, which is the original assertion we were debating here…

@Beth
” I am simply asking the people here who are so certain that a conspiracy is afoot to continue logically down that path and help me at least better understand their point of view, even if I don’t necessarily agree with it.”
My post at 5:45:10 PM provides insight. Giving to “Third World nations” is part of the scheme for re-distribution of wealth (and attainment of power – he/she who controls the purse strings controls all).

“Right now for many people, their ideology is driving their view of science,”
Yes, including the “scientists” themselves. Notoriety and personal gain is also appear to be driving “scientists” views of science.

Testify OR resign. If this was a GOP policy proposal backed by big oil and gas the media and the left would be howling and clamoring for heads to roll.
But since it’s for a tax on breathing and any and all productive industry… Crickets. The hypocrisy is deafening.
Let’s see, we borrow money from China to buy cheap crap we don’t need, forcing people to be laid off here in the US, and for the luxury of owning cheap, toxic, products.
Why not just manufacture stuff HERE like we used to, that is actually safe, with unionized labor that will be paid a living wage, and contribute to OUR own economy. Oh, that is SO “last century.” Exploiting the Third World, leaving America to rely on Government assistance, and be harmed by toxic food and product through “free trade” is totally to way to go in the 21st century. If we are this stupid, we deserve to fall apart.

Doing science is a big business. No one does science without someone paying the bill. The scientists at CRU were doing what every scientist does–says what his employer wants to hear. So, to pick on the CRU for supporting global warming for money is unfair–the whole darned scientific establishment does what it does for money. It’s wrong, but that’s the way it is.
As for asking the White House to comment on the emails, isn’t that like asking Madoff if he did anything wrong?
And some of John Holdren’s comments were intellectually dishonest. For example, when he says that temperatures have been higher today than for the last 1000 years, he’s being evasive. The question is: Is this relevant to whether or not the globe is warming? And no, it isn’t. And is it relevant to the main claim of Hansen, Gore and other AGW fanatics, that we face catastrophe? No, it isn’t. There has been thousands of times more CO2 in the atmosphere before, we’re still around, and the globe has been much much hotter and we’re still here.
Climate science as currently understood and done needs to be disbanded, for climate science today is no better than the ridiculous creation science. Then climate science needs to be re-organized, re-funded, and re-done. We can wait an extra year or two. Using bad science, really religious dogmatism, as the basis for making grandiose plans for geo-engineering the planet, and making unsupported alarmist claims is unscientific, irrational, and immoral.

Of course they are pushing back. Nixon tried the same thing, the only problem is that they are way behind the curve and we won’t tolerate this fraud. Things didn’t work out too well for Nixon. Who will be the Woodward and Bernstein on this one.

An observation…
This story/article was current this afternoon.
Notice how quickly it is burried within the site. While the doom and gloom global warming stories (from days/weeks ago) are easier to find.
Just pay attention to what stays up and what gets quickly burried, if it makes the front page at all.

Dern it! I dun sure did know that all this stuff was one hot-diggidy hoax and a big dern con-spiritsy! I knew dat all along… I mean, even that ther north poler melting thing, I’ve seen all the piktures! But, I new it all along…I knew them thar 2500 scienctist hired lots of North Poler types to keep blowing all that ice with there hair blowers…. same thing my wife does in the winter when we need some water!
Those scienctist think there con-spiritsy is working and they fulling us… we done did catch them this time!
LOL…. *wink*

ClimateGate is just another illustration of the bastardization of science on the altar of political ideology. It is a bastardization for which there is no redemption. Obama is still going to Copenhagen, he probably wants to meet these climate “scientists” so they can show him how to “hide the decline” in his employment statistics

It sounds as if NOAA administrator Lubchenco may be a part of the “consensus science” problem.
There are at least two areas of scientific discussion where peer groups are established based upon belief thus guaranteeing that a particular view is perpetuated. Those areas are anthropogenic global warming and evolution. In both areas any science to the contrary of the politically correct belief is summarily dismissed, and the presenter marginalized.
The addition of 406 new scientist signatories now brings the total up to 31,478 scientists and 9,029 PhDs who completely refute alarmist claims and agree that increased CO2 is beneficial to our planet. Furthermore, this is just one of many such petitions and declarations all stating the same thing, signed by thousands of scientists around the world.

Justice should see to it that Al Goracle is exiled to Alaska where he’d have to wear shorts and a T-shirt, while reading Sarah Palin’s report on the benefit of oil and the natural gas pipeline she brokered. The USA must seek justice against those who created this massive Madoff scam!

Cap n’ trade question: How does auctioning the “right” to pollute” while subsidizing the Third World’s “right” to pollute (benefiting from the proposed carbon tax in the 1st place, without any carbon restrictions) actually STOP global pollution? Anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller??? This is the best they could come up with? I think we can do better stopping pollution, if we actually made that THE goal, instead of just an empty slogan to pass a global tax that goes to the UN.

“Society needs to be changing as much as wildlife is changing,”
So if (which is a stretch, but in the interest of furthering the argument) AGW is “real”, why don’t we (humans) ADAPT to AGW (at a much lower cost) than wreck our economy in pursuit of fractions of a degree of “cooling”?

I’d suggest everyone read “Climate Gate: the 7 Biggest lies”by Katherine Goldstein, published in the Dec 2 edition of Huffington Post.
To sum up these lies, Goldstein points out that Evidence. global warming is supported by hundreds of thousands of scientific papers written by tens of thousands of scientists from different scientific disciplines. The evidence is way too vast to be discredited by the nay-sayers of Climate Gate.
In fact a recent scientific report indicated the carbon dioxide content in the atmosphere has risen to 390 parts per million. And bear in mind, carbon dioxide is only one greenhouse gas. Methane is far more dangerous, and the methane content in the atmosphere is also rising.
I’d suggest people read Our Choice by Al Gore, which not only outlines the problem but proposes a large number of solutions.

This is something called a “fact based rebuttal”:
“Holdren argued Wednesday that the more important issue is that in 2006 the National Academy of Sciences — which “undertook a thorough review of all of the relevant data sets and all of the methods of analysis, not just the data set used by these particular authors or the methods used by these particular authors” – “concluded that the preponderance of available evidence points to the conclusion that the last 50 years have been the warmest half century in at least the last 1,000 years and probably much longer.”" – Holdren the misinformed.
What the National Academy of Science actually said: “There is sufficient evidence from tree rings, boreholes, retreating glaciers, and other “proxies” of past surface temperatures to say with a high level of confidence that the last few decades of the 20th century were warmer than any comparable period in the last 400 years, according to a new report from the National Research Council. Less confidence can be placed in proxy-based reconstructions of surface temperatures for A.D. 900 to 1600″

“There are at least two areas of scientific discussion where peer groups are established based upon belief thus guaranteeing that a particular view is perpetuated. Those areas are anthropogenic global warming and evolution. In both areas any science to the contrary of the politically correct belief is summarily dismissed, and the presenter marginalized.”
Global warming skeptics overlap with creationists.
Can;t say I’m shocked.
And people wonder why the right wing is though of as anti-science.

“So if (which is a stretch, but in the interest of furthering the argument) AGW is “real”, why don’t we (humans) ADAPT to AGW (at a much lower cost) than wreck our economy in pursuit of fractions of a degree of “cooling”?”
Why seek to stem obesity when we can just enlarge everything to accommodate the obese.
How does one adapt with huge population centers likely to be affected by rising sea levels?

Should Michael Mann should be barred from the IPCC process? “Because the scientific assessments in which he may take part are not credible anymore.”
- from Eduardo Zorita, Climate Scientist at the GKSS Research Center, Hamburg, Germany on his website.

“(water vapor accounts for 95% of greenhouse gasees)”
Quantificational obfuscation. Water vapor is in equilibrium and is self regulating by evaporation and precipitation. As a long term modifier it can be disregarded. CO2 is extremely difficult to recapture once it’s loose in the air. Start planting lots and lots of trees and plants.

“Back in 1988, James Hansen of NASA predicted that the planet would now be experiencing catastrophically higher sea levels as the result of AGW. It never happened.”
Gotta a quote? Versus right wing talking points?

Lubchenco, the NOAA administrator, needs to be fired. His statements are all either provably false or intentionally misleading. The e-mails were NOT taken out of context, they indeed do establish a pattern of academic misconduct, obfuscation, data fudging, and a collusion to destroy data. Lubchenco is a LIAR.
No organization is predicting 11.5 degrees of warming in the next 90 years. No way.
The surface temperature increases he refers to are polluted by temperature measurements made inside cities, some next to buildings and furnaces.
The record clearly shows that the hottest year was 1998, and that the Earth has not warmed at all since 2002. His climate models predicted alarming levels of warming during that period, the models were WRONG. HIS MODELS DO NOT WORK AND HE KNOWS IT.
And this quote “Temperatures in the next couple of decades will be primarily determined by past emissions of greenhouse gases, but increases thereafter will be primarily determined by future emissions”. That’s NONSENSE. The temperature has no way to know when the CO2 was emitted.
FIRE THE MAN.

Science has now been polluted by politics. The big clue here for anyone with a brain is when blowhards like Gore says “the debate is over.” The debate is NEVER over in true science. There is always room for debate, new data and amazing discoveries – unless, of course, politics has seized control of science.
Now the debate is only over when the politicians say so.
This whole scam is not about saving the planet, it’s about power. A handful of power hungry politicians are salivating to tell us all how to live, how much heat we can have in the winter, how much electricity we can use; how much gas we can put in our cars, and how much a/c we can run in the summer. They’ll do this by allotting a carbon footprint to each individual, then proceed to tax the crap out of us.
WAKE UP. It’s only the beginning.
Do you see Al Gore driving a Prius, or cutting back on his $30K a year electric bill? The sky-is-falling climate gurus are the worst bunch of hypocrites I’ve ever seen.

Skip:
For most “sane” people their religion doesn’t hurt others.
As for pollution, most people do not believe in trashing the earth because of a better life , afterlife as that is counter to any religion. If that were true our country would not be where it is today and would more resemble some third world country. As we learn of the dangers of our use of resources we adhere to better policies to preserve them and I can say over the 40 years in Industry we do a remarkable job in protecting the environment. When data is so complicated that “only a few remarkable scientist can truely understand it” and when we learn that perhaps the data isn’t as solid as it should be then we have every right to question the motives of the people behind it. We need to keep finding better ways to meet our needs and stop pollution but this warming stuff needs more study by many more people-people without their own agendas.

It’s hilarious watching the alarmists trying to desperately defend their religion. Face it. The Man-Made Climate Change Religion is on it’s way out. Reverend Al Gore’s sermons were based on nothing but his own hot air. Any heretical scientist who opposed The Message was demonized and pushed out of the way.
Despite destroying the data, the truth is finally coming out. Sorry, but manhandling data to fit your pre-existing theories doesn’t count as “science”. Force-fitting your desired model on data and having a statiscal R^2 correlation of <0.05 doesn't count as "science". That's called "a made up line" and anyone pushing that nonsense should be laughed off the stage.
The lefties are going to have to come up with a new scam to overhaul the world economies.

Rebuttal #2 of jock:
“”…climate models predicted alarming levels of warming during that period.. ”
WRONG. Climate models are only intended to predict long-term trends. The multiple factors that affect year-to-year variation are too complex to model.”
The climate models were unable to predict the cooling between 1940-1980. TThey failed to predict the cooling between 1998-present. The only thing they “predicted” was the potential warming trend from 1980-1998, but only retroactively. The climate change models have been utter failures at actually predicting anything, yet you still cling to them? Why? Clearly, it’s not a faith based on logic or science.

Putting aside the very disturbing evidence that the data was fudged, innumerable “models” have been constructed to make a killing in the stock market. All fail, as the stock market, like climate, is a complex adaptive system with emergent, not imposed, order. Such systems resist perturbation, are resilient, and hindsight does not invariably lead to foresight. Back in the 1990′s, before Al Gore realized one could make a buck off of it, people like James Lovelock argued the “Gaia” Hypothesis: the Earth was a living organism capable of resisting the very change he now states we are causing. Follow the money. Al Gore is Elmer Gantry and the curtain has been parted. The Romans grew wine grapes outside of London and the Vikings farmed a green Greenland. Who would have guessed they had SUV”s?

According to an article on Wall Street Journal three days ago by a meteorology professor of MIT , there was a mini ice age in the period from 15th to 18th century, therefore the weather in the world shown warming trend when the mini ice age was ended.

Austin, was that MIT scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen? He’s the head of MIT’s climatology department. He’s also one of the thousands of real scientists, engineers, and statisticians who question the MMGW Religion that is supposedly “settled science”.

This is just one more example of the mainstream media hiding the big news of the day from the American public. We’ve had ACORN and Van Jones and now Climate-gate. But try as they may, network journalists can’t “hide the decline” in global warming science or a similar “decline” in journalism standards causing their own ethically bankrupt actions.

So it is with Dims, if these emails PROVED global warming instead of showing it is a hoax then they would be screaming and setting their hair on fire. But because the emails prove that the data is falsified and the conclusions are lies then Dims want to not talk about it. AND ABC, CBS, NBC still HAVE NOT mentioned one word of this on a TV program, not one word. Some news outlets huh. Ha

“The IPCC process needs to be fixed, as a matter of the greatest urgency. Read David Henderson or the Wegman report to see how. And in the meantime, let’s have some independent inquiries into what has been going on.”
- Financial Times of London

It is a sad day when the 3 major networks, and the ‘paper of record’ are about to be scooped by South Park!

But because the emails prove that the data is falsified and the conclusions are lies
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The emails prove nothing of the sort.

AGW is a vast hoax designed to take your
your happiness, your liberty, and eventually your life.
Posted by: Terry | Dec 3, 2009 11:30:42 PM
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Exactly the kind of paranoid, conspiratorial, fear mongering from the right wing documented in the recent report from the Anti-Defamation League.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
- Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

“The amount of increased C02 from whatever source is lest than 1/2 of 1 percent.”
I guess 1/2 of 1 percent is supposed to sound very small. Would you hesitate to chug down a glass of water that had this much hydrogen cyanide in it?

The fossil fuel industry and their paid scientists are starting to get really worried – just like the tobacco companies in the past.
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Tobacco companies hired both scientists and publicists to try to prove cigarette smoking was not harmful to human health.
They did this for years to try to protect their profits – regardless of the truth.
Same thing is happening now – the fossil fuel industry is paying publicists and scientists to attempt to counteract the large body of scientific evidence showing the effects of green house gases.

Mr. Gore and friends are the ones acting paranoid, conspiratorial and using fear mongering.
You’d think everyone would be happy to learn that the scientists are faking the data.
We can still develop alternative energy sources, drive our better MPG cars and make less garbage but we can STOP being paranoid that the earth is in dire danger.
The news that this has been a hoax should be celebrated UNLESS…
You were planning on making a lot of money off of this fear mongering, either in the form of taxes (the government), or in the sale of carbon credits (Mr. Gore).
OR, the thought that you are saving the planet is the only reason you feel worthy and superior to others. Nature abhors a void. When religion falls out of favor, we must find another source of meaning for our lives.

Remember we predicted global cooling and a new ice age 10 years ago
Posted by: Gar | Dec 3, 2009 11:49:17 PM
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“Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth’s surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis never had significant scientific support, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding” Wikipedia
Big difference – global cooling was a lot like the global warming deniers – little if any scientific support, but a whole bunch of duped popular attention.

The gravy train runs on black gold and coal.—–
Exactly, that’s why the left wants to tap into it with punishing tax burdens for its use…

Wait a minute… WHAT climate change email controversy? I don’t remember reading about any climate change controversy here.

Unbelievable, MSNBC is running an article:
“With the world losing the battle against global warming so far, experts are warning that humans need to follow nature’s example: ADAPT OR DIE.”
And, “…President Barack Obama and Congress are talking about $1.2 billion a year from the U.S. for international climate aid, which includes adaptation.
“The U.N. climate chief, Yvo de Boer, said $10 billion to $12 billion a year is needed from developed countries through 2012 to “kick-start” things. Then it will get even more expensive…”
HEY Congress, Obama, UN nutter! We can SEE you. We know what you are doing. This is all a ruse. Stop making a power and money grab.
The good news is we are all going to be just fine.

Posted by: Terry | Dec 4, 2009 12:37:25 AM
Nobody has ever built a nuclear plant that made a dime. It takes almost as much energy to refine the fuel as you get back out. Operating costs are very high. The waste they generate is a nightmare the true cost of disposal of which has never truly been calculated. Unless there is some huge technological breakthrough it’s a dead end unfortunately.

The only way you could possibly make it pay better than energy conservation is by cutting corners and it just is not going to fly with the public. They are extremely suspicious of nuclear power-plants as it is. I don’t know if you remember the huge grassroots ‘No Nukes’ movement of the late 70s early 80s–when it really comes down to it nobody and I mean nobody wants a nuclear plant in their backyard. I can’t see how it would be any different this time.

Holdren co-authored “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions,” which seems to argue that even years after birth a baby is not yet a human being.
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Hahaha! And you believe Canada Free Press?

My goodness, any rational human being could see the clues world-wide pointing to our big problem of climate change. Glaciers melting to record levels, first frost dates moving further and further back, (I’m a gardener and in our area the first frost date was always on or before September 25th, for the last twenty years it is a few days later each year, this year it was November 5th. That is a big difference.) as well as severe long-lasting drought in many areas that didn’t have drought before.
Don’t fall for the false information pushed by the oil industry and others who benefit from things staying the same.

Terry said, Dec 4, 2009 12:37:25 AM:
“Unless there is some huge technological breakthrough [nuclear power] is a deadend unfortunately.”
Google “integral fast reactor.” You will find out that newer technology yields 100 times the power per fuel load as the old generation of reactors and has virtually no spent-fuel storage problem. See also Scientific American, December, 2005, “Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste.”
You will also find: Democrats killed the pilot program. Regan brought it back from the dead. Democrats again killed it. It’s insane.

All,
Watch The Great Global Warming Swindle video that was available on the Internet at one time. Even if you disagree with everything in way of reason look hard at the raw data. Conclusion: For some reason the earth’s temperature has swung back and forth over millenia. Greenland was just that at one time. Is the earth temperature trending up right now, probably (10 years is noise on the earth’s temperature cycle). You will note C02 has also cycled in parallel from the video. Mankind was around for much of that. Most CO2 comes from Volcanoes and not human activity. Now, we find that the “blame human activity crowd” has faked data, muscled out the critics, and created a scientific consensus that will not be allowed to be challenged. This is poor science, poor media responsibility for fair and balanced coverage and poor governmental decision making….Is it conspiracy, extreme stupidity or total lack of common sense? I leave it to you.

How many of these 2,500 scientist based some or all of their conclusions on, what we know now, might be rogue data provided by a few “experts”? News is that Al Gore has cancelled his appearance at Copenhagen. Anyone remember Mount Pinatubo? When it had it’s major eruption in 1991, in a 24 hour period, it erased all the gains the Earth had made over the last 30 years of improved vehicle emission standards. This planet has a problem but the “green experts” I see have a common problem – they all have dollar signs in their eyes. Next shoe to drop will be the Nobel Committee sending out a posse. They’ll be trying to get their award back from Al Gore.

The truth is out. Now there will now be a huge effort to DENY THE LIE of global warming. All the forces aligned with the climate change cult church will gather at Copenhagen to spread more doom & gloom messages in an effort to dupe more nations into coughing up big money. The climate change / global warming scheme could soon outdo the Madoff scandal; sucking in millions $$$ into a bottomless UN money pot.

My goodness, any rational human being could see the clues world-wide pointing to our big problem of climate change. Glaciers melting to record levels, first frost dates moving further and further back, (I’m a gardener and in our area the first frost date was always on or before September 25th, for the last twenty years it is a few days later each year, this year it was November 5th. That is a big difference.) as well as severe long-lasting drought in many areas that didn’t have drought before.
Don’t fall for the false information pushed by the oil industry and others who benefit from things staying the same.
Lydia, That may be true in your part of the country, but New England just experienced the coldest summer to date. We were wearing sweatshirts in August and temps dropped into the 50s. In August! But, typically, NO MENTION of this on any news station. NO ONE talked about it. If global warming is so set and so accepted, why do the global warming advocates stop talking about the weather when it’s obviously colder than usual? Note the cherry picking—they ONLY talk about the weather in the parts of the country where it’s hotter than usual. Hmmmm. Sounds like they’re a bit more insecure about their global warming theory than they pretend.

The sad part about this whole thing is the money grab that is going on. Check out Al Gore’s net worth now compared to when he left the White House. This planet has problems, and we can do our little part to fix it, but in the end I doubt how much we can do. Considering this country sits on top of the world’s largest “super” volcano, I don’t ponder too much on the atmosphere.

I live in Michigan. Not that many millenia in the earth’s recent past, my state was covered one mile deep in glaciers. The glaciers melted. Man did not cause this event. There is an obvious natural ebb and flow in average earth temperatures having little to do with human activity. Climate Change, as the leaked emails highlight, is a fraud cooked up by modern day “flat-earthers” steeped in politically-correct groupthink, and intent on crippling our economy and forcing us back into the dark ages. The draw of vast sums of grant money has apparentlycorrupted the objectivity and independence of most scientists supporting climate change dogma. Peer review aside, too much money is at stake for them to question the validity of their bugus climate change “cash cow”.

Were did all of those nasty hurricanes we were promised go?
Remember? After Katrina, we were told that the science predicted violent hurricane seasons.
Seems like junk science to me.
What did we hear? The sound of crickets from the doom and gloomers.

The two sides of climate change
Man-made global warming
vs
Natural climate change
Nobody denies that the earth’s climate “changes”. Never met a single person.
What I have met are people that deny the earth’s changes are caused from man.

In an issue of National Geographic News dated November 30, 2005, there is an article entitled “Mini Ice Age” May Be Coming Soon, Sea Study Warns, authored by James Owen. The first paragraph of the article said: ” Chilling new evidence from the Atlantic Ocean is raising fears that western Europe could soon be gripped by a mini ice age.”

“Do you report for The Onion?”
I doubt it. I think the Onion would be more likely to run a headline like: “Right-wing consumptive zealots go haywire after stolen E-mails reveal scientific geek-fight.”

“Again, the only news station willing to cover the ACORN and CLIMATEGATE SCANDALS is FOX.”
Actually, this is not completely true. CNN on at least two occasions have provided balanced coverage this week (Jack Cafferty and Rick Sanchez). Now that their ratings/prestige/credibility have fallen to miniscule levels perhaps they are realizing that the liberal-biased approach to journalism isn’t a winner in a fragmented news market.
As for ABC/NBC/CBS, it’s now Day 14 since this story broke and they are still covering for Obama and his agenda.
“Like sand through the hourglass, so bleeds ABC/CBS/NBC’s credibility”

Hurry! There’s no time to spare! The guys in the white lab coats have spoken. There’s nothing to see in these emails, so move along now…move along. Instead we need to move quickly to pass the $1,000,000,000,000 cap and trade bill or we will all be drowning and/or roasting within 5 years. Mark my words, we need this now!

Before the scientists get the chance to delete the news reports from Houston, it’s snowing today. And while the event may fall under “climate change,” it hardly qualifies as global warming. I have not checked, but there’s a 50/50 chance that ABC won’t cover the story.

The author quotes the White House’s Carol Browner as saying, “only a very small group of people oppose global Warming”…
Is Obama & co out of contact with the Real World? If this is what these people think & believe… they are dangerous.
Very Dangerous.

Actually I’m not skeptical at all, carbon levels were higher a 1000 years ago without our help, temperatures in the mid century were much higher, but when it comes to cap in trade, one must remember why the ozone hole hoax is famous, Dupont’s patent was ending for cf’s and mexico was selling at a much cheaper rate, they were able to force legislation to end its usage under the guise of saving the ozone layer.
Dupont is part of USCAP.
I’m hoping the world will wake up to False AGW, but to much money and cards are played for them to stop now.

Hey Jake, are there any plans for this email controversy to get some airtime on the nightly news? It seems worthy of ABC’s coverage.

Keep it simple? OK 31,000 PhD’s and actual climate scientists (as opposed to the train engineer in charge of the IPCC at the UN) have signed a global petition saying Globalwarmingclimetchange is a lie and attempt at extortion. 2,500 support the socialist in the white house who surrounds himself with old hippy communist’s wack jobs as “advisors”. Gibbs snottily tells the media that the science is settled and they had better get on board. Look in the dictionary and next to Gibbs face is the definition of fascist. Ie: government control or controlling partnership with industry to maintain the power of government at any cost.

The good news is that the internet exists, and cannot be 100% muzzled, giving us all free speech as man has never had before. It’s hard to maintain a totalitarian regime now, you can brainwash (as we have all been on this issue), but you cannot prevent the truth from eventually surfacing.
As Marshal McLuhan predicted in the 1960′s, the electronic age is changing everything about our culture, and the MSM’s silence marks the beginning of the true ‘post-network-news’ age. We are finding out what’s going on without their interpretation. Had we been looking to the internet for info on climate data over the past few years, we’d have known NASA data was changed/corrupted to fit the ‘manmade warming’ agenda. It’s well documented in the history online. Just search.
The truth will set us free.

The scientists and the White House are flat out liars! I have more of a problem with all the stupid people who believe in Gorebal Warming. Lets just put all these liars and idiots on a glacier so all thier hot air will melt it and we will be rid of them. Stupid is as stupid does.

Phil Jones to Michael Mann on Feb. 3, 2005:
“The two MMs [McKitrick and McIntyre] have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the U.K., I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone.”
And, indeed, the CRU subsequently announced that they had “inadvertently deleted” the requested data.
Why? Is ABC not even slightly interested in the answer, given the huge amount of climate change papers based on those very CRU station readings?

Is it science when you “hide the decline”?

I find it interesting that know one asked the science czar about his past book and theories of global cooling. Or the fact that his data on AGW come from data collected by CRU the main hub of temperature data around the world. This theory is in its death throws and any politician who votes to tax us with this dead idea is going to pay come election time. America, world wake up we have been had context? Holdren must think we are stupid they are not fooling anyone. I love how this article quotes increased temperature increases based on the same peoples research that are got with the dirty emails like anyone who reads this is still going to be convinced we can trust any og this garbage.

Hi,
I am a liberal/Obama voter but have never believed the climate change hysteria for a second. I was around in the 70′s when some of these some geniuses were saying we would all be frozen to death by now and that the US population would be reduced to 20 million by starvation.
I always remember that this is the same science that can’t predict rain tomorrow.
Anyway, I challenge the big media to actually print the damn emails and let us decided what they mean.

God forbid we use the climate change issue to ween ourselves off of Middle Eastern Oil. Even if global warming turns out to be overhyped or dead wrong, wouldn’t everyone be happy with U.S. produced solar and wind energy?
You are all politically biased lunatics. Do some of the research yourself, instead of believing Glenn Beck or Al Gore.

the actual we can see is the water and land is poluted near the big cities and near the industry place…. We can not see the shumps we liked very much when we were child… but the new friendly technology is so hard to promoted because this always means much more high cost than the existing technology… I am investing my life to develop the water based paint to stop billion tons of VOC send into air…but my competitors who use solven base material is so cheap that nobody want to use my technology… who will pay the bill? maybe the God will pay for us?