White House, Sen. Nelson, Dispute Rumor in Conservative Media About Air Force Base Closure Threat

The WH case was much stronger until the Pfeiffer press release. I don’t know of anyone–Glenn Beck, Goldfarb, et al–who think that our current system needs no changing.
Why do they issue red herrings even when they seem to have a strong case? Why do the political posturing instead of just saying the claim was false, craven or whatever? It weakens their case.

“”I don’t even know what category that fits in — high crimes?” asked Beck.”
No, blatant lies only believed by the flat out stupid. Come on – is critical thinking this dead in America?
“Nelson has denied it, the source noted, and the Obama administration can’t affect the next BRAC round even if it wanted to.”

Well what the hell else would Nelson and the WH say? “Why of course we are going to destroy our national security by closing Offutt unless Nelson votes with us. It’s the Chicago way!”

Well what the hell else would Nelson and the WH say?
RBR | Dec 17, 2009 9:15:12 AM
? Nelson would say, “I refuse to give into threats!” and ride to a sweeping victory in his next election. There is no downside to him going public with his constituency, which is why this lie is so absurd.
But I guess that doesn’t matter – now a lie told on a random blog with no support or even realistic mechanism (go read up a bit on the BRAC process, implemented in the last year of Reagan’s administration) is considered truth just because people hate Obama.

now a lie told on a random blog with no support or even realistic mechanism… is considered truth just because people hate Obama.
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This story is just incredible. Goldfarb and Beck have not one shred of dignity or integrity. Just lie, smear, fearmonger and gin up the gullible. Dan Pfeiffer hit the right tone when he said cynical and crass. I personally think they are scumbags.
What’s equally incredible is that some Republicans and many self-proclaimed “conservatives” want the government to waste resources doing an investigation due to a rumor with no evidence and little teeth. Anything to stop progress, anything to waste time and kick the can down the road on important issues and problems– as if nearly breaking our country during the past 9 or more years wasn’t enough. Yesterday, they tied up the Senate and a vote on troop funding didn’t get done– something they would have crucified Democrats for. How deep in the mud and waste are these people to wade? And toward what end? (rhetorical questions)
I’m actually to the point where I believe the biggest danger to our country is the GOP and their unprincipled, sleazebag echo chamber. Dangerous and deranged.

The left got caught and now they are covering their pathetic butts so they call it the “conservative media” as though saying this will invoke some spell that will make people not believe it.
Just when I think the dems have sunk to the lowest possible level they do something new.

Sounds just like Obama.
His agenda/soutions stink so bad he has to threaten or payoff just to get votes from his own party.
Isn’t that how he got elected?

Pfeiffer’s statement at the end of this article makes me wonder if there might be some truth here. Why obfuscate and try to change the subject.
If there were any real critical thinking skills, especially on the left, we would not be trying to pass have of this unthinking garbage that Congress is trying to foist upon us.
The BRAC process is not due until sometime after 2012 I believe and that is not definite.

Dennis,
Yes, I agree. I know that it is knee-jerk for politicians in general to “pivot” by changing the topic, but Pfeiffer’s adamant tone gave me pause. The whole thing sounds a little desperate.
Boy, if there is anything to this story (and as you say, time will tell), this will be horrible for the DEMs. Most Americans agree that national security is A#1, even if we disagree on how security is to be maintained.

I want to thank Dan Pfeiffer for “calling out” another strawman. Yes, Dan, anyone against this deficit exploding (when you look at 10 years of outlays with 10 years of revenues, not the 7 years of outlays and 10 years of revenues that CBO is scoring) bill is against any kind of reform. Please. Just because one is against this current bill in the Senate that has been drafted behind closed doors of Democrat leadership does not mean one is against improving our health care system.
But then again, it’s a lot easier to debate against straw men than real people and ideas.

Adament tone ? That is like thing the cop will let you off if you get angry .

The source of the “Rumor” (I tend to think it is true)is probably from the D’s themselves as their reputations and careers are being destroyed and popularity is dwindling.

Put nothing past the Obama Administration.
They fired IG Walprin because he was on the trail of one of Obama’s friends.
The BO Administration tried to say the poor guy was getting senile.
But of course that was proven to be a lie.
Walprin was cleared.

Nobody hates Obama I thought we had established that after the child with the planted question and prepared answer episode.

Even IF the threat is real, it will be taken back so fast your head will spin. Now that it’s out in the open (if it is true), the administration cannot go through with it or they will be exposed by fact.
Whether it’s true or not, I have no idea. But I’m certain whatever went on will not be discussed by the WH or by Nelson. That would be equal to political suicide.
Again, not knowing if it is true, I do question why Goldfarb would go to this extent to promote a flat out lie. HIS reputation is on the line as well here. So obviously whatever he was told he assumed was from a credible source. So that brings up even more questions. Why would an inside Senate source who has given factual information to Goldfarb before suddenly decide to fabricate this one? Why would Goldfarb put his butt on the line for “puff” information? Why would the WH come out almost IMMEDIATELY and deny it? After all, if it’s just a smear by the right wing media, and nobody likes a right wing hack like Glenn Beck, then who cares what he says, right?
Something happened in there. I don’t know what it was, but something happened to trigger off this chain of events. Getting to the bottom of it will be the hard part because NO ONE is going to talk about it anymore than necessary.

Shoe:
Your analysis is right on. The fact though is that Goldfarb had three sources to his article. Now all three could lie, of course.
Here’s my problem: If I go with my gut and/or a kneejerk ad hominen determination (e.g., Chicago Style v. Conservatives) I can decide to support either side of this report. That is why I, and many non-partisans of my ilk, really need to know what is the truth. Why? Because up to this point, the “left versus right” debates have been so much rhetoric, and based on the facts, I support in principle the health care reform initiatives. If, however, this threat turns out to be true, I cannot in good conscience support a program that was achieved by extortion. Could anyone else?

Since ABC News did not “run with the story” does this imply that ABC News is “liberal media”?
Posted by: tjp612 | Dec 17, 2009 2:31:14 PM
Typical extremist black-white, either-or, good-evil, divisive, bifurcated thinking of those associated with or a member of the dumb and dumber Republican Party and their Tea Party comrades. Golly, if its not conservative it MUST then be liberal because there isn’t a spectrum or any other alternative!
So are you Beavis, or the other choice?

Of course Obama may have threaten Nelson about his vote. Obama threatens all the time. Obama told ABC News’ Charles Gibson in an interview that if Congress does not pass health care legislation that will bring down costs, the federal government “will go bankrupt.”

Whether true or false, it is sad that so many of us know that it could be true because of Obama/Rham and Chicago-style politics.

I don’t believe this White House! They are Chicago Bullies and Thugs and have played these kind of slimy politics before. As for Goldfarb, he has NEVER fabricated a story before and this one had 3 “sources.” Rahm Emmanuel and Barack Obama, IMO, are Liars!

Whether true or false, it is sad that so many of us know that it could be true
Posted by: DaveinSacramento
a perfect synopsis of the right wing,
they always seem to ‘know’, and what ‘could be’
except when they are running the government

The headline should really read:
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Liberal News Media cover for the Communists in the White House and Sen. Nelson as they try to Dispute Rumor in Conservative Media About Air Force Base Closure Threat.
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Reliable sources who wish to remain anonymous indicate to me that the liberal news media are pulling out the stops to help Barak 0′Carter pass his risky scheme to takeover 1/5 of the American economy.

The headline should really read:
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Liberal news media covers for the White House and Sen. Nelson as they try to Dispute Rumor in Conservative Media About Air Force Base Closure Threat

Goldfarb changed his story. He said it was Rahm at first and then, after he learned that such a threat is ridiculous for a number of reasons, changed to say that it was someone unfamiliar with BRAC. Not to mention that any changes decided (independently) by BRAC wouldn’t take place until past 2013 when the next commission is scheduled to begin.
That would be a stupid threat to make, and that’s why Goldfarb is changing his story (again).

that is how real blackmail works . The victim not only does what he is told , but goes along with your story . Posted by: nat turner
hmmm. sounds like Iraq

not knowing if it is true
I don’t know what it was,
suddenly decide to fabricate this one?
Posted by: Shoe
modern american society
Posted by: YO | Dec 17, 2009 2:52:22 PM
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I have NO idea what your comment is supposed to mean YO. My post was simply one about the public not knowing what happened in that meeting. Do YOU know what happened? Please inform us all if you do. I don’t want to think that Obama or Emanuel or whomever could stoop to this level of threats, but I also don’t want to think that Goldfarb would make it all up either. Again, why would his inside Senate source tell him a flat out LIE? Especially one this big. Goldfarb could be in ALOT of trouble for this, and I think he’d know that. So why did he do it? Why would ANYONE (right or left) go THAT far KNOWING that the falsehood would be exposed? It just doesn’t make sense. SOMEONE needs to come out and say what DID happen-not just deny what was said by Goldfarb.
Having said that, Obama’s statement that the government is going to go bankrupt if healthcare doesn’t pass seems a little far fetched as well.
I’m getting tired of words, statistics, maybes and mights and supposes being thrown around. There is entirely too much gray area with this WH. It’s time to start speaking in black and white. No wonder the public is confused.

Liberal news media covers for the White House AGAIN
There. FIFY.

Again, why would his inside Senate source tell him a flat out LIE?
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Disinformation campaigns have been commonplace for decades.
You ask why disinformation like this would be planted by an ‘aide’? It’s pretty obvious – disinformation is planted to discredit the opposition.
Posted by: tierra | Dec 17, 2009 4:27:06 PM
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So, you’re telling me that an inside source told a lie ON PURPOSE just to discredit the opposition, knowing full well that he could be exposed at any time? I can’t imagine someone inside the WH going to THAT extreme to discredit. Goldfarb, if this story is found out to be absolutely false, needs to “out” his source immediately. That is IF the story is false. So far all we have heard is Nelson and the WH denying the comments, but no one has said what was actually said to start this ball rolling. The “source” heard something, but as of yet, we don’t know what that “something” was. Is it top secret? As I said before, I don’t know whether the story is true or not, but I think we (the public) at least deserve an explination about what WAS being discussed and how this insider came up with his information. That’s not too much to ask.

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How can we take any posts against health care seriously?

Posted by: Shoe
re: Obama’s statement that the government is going to go bankrupt if healthcare doesn’t pass seems a little far fetched as well.
- republicans state this every day regardless, are they lying?
re: why would his inside Senate source tell him a flat out LIE?
- it’s called …. politics
re: no one has said what was actually said to start this ball rolling.
maybe the person making the claim needs to offer some ‘proof’ as to the veracity of the claim..
otherwise it’s down to complete fantasy and
‘prove that it didn’t happen’ , the perfect conspiracy

He says Ayers is ghostwriter of O’s book.
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Oh well, if one person says that – it must be true!

The $300 million dollar gift to Senator Landrieu did bother me in a peripheral sense.I have worked within politics for many years so my angst was allayed by the fact that this was regular stuff and buying a vote in this way has happened many times before.I have already expressed my disbelief about our military base allegations. I have to accept the Louisiana Purchase as
business as usual, but if the Democrats could cough up that much money, I think rightfully so it should have been spread evenly among all suffering Americans. A little pollyanna wishful thinking on my part. Jay Adler