Bill Buckner Curse Haunts Health Care?
ABC News' Jonathan Karl reports: As Democrats rush to get a deal on health care, they are doing so with a an eye on the Massachusetts Senate race. If Democratic nominee Martha Coakley loses, Democrats in Washington want to be in a position to pass a bill through the Senate before Republican Scott Brown is sworn in and they lose their 60th Senate seat. Under Massachusetts law, the MA Secretary of State must wait “at least” ten days before certifying the results, to give time for absentee and military ballots to be received and counted. That means Brown could be sworn in as early as January 29, leaving Democrats very little time to maneuver … in fact, it may be impossible to get it done in time. After a final health care deal is struck (and Democrats are hoping that will happen tonight), it goes to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) for a cost estimate, a process expected to take 10 days. After that, it will take at least seven days to go through the procedural hurdles to pass the bill in the House and the Senate. That adds up to a vote on February 2 at the earliest. Bottom line: Unless either 1) the certification in Massachusetts is delayed; or, 2) CBO works much faster than expected, Democrats would be unable to pass a health care bill before losing their 60th vote. Republicans have already dispatched legal teams to Massachusetts in anticipation of any possible recount or other legal challenge that could delay Brown’s certification (if, of course, he wins). Another factor: An upset GOP victory in Massachusetts would be to Democrats like the ball that slipped through Bill Buckner’s legs in game 6 of the 1986 World Series. If they manage to lose Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat, Democrats, like the Red Sox in Game 7, may be too shell-shocked to win as spooked moderates – who come from places much less Democratic than Massachusetts — become more reluctant to take another tough vote on an unpopular bill.
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People do want a healthcare bill passed. They just don’t want the combination of mandatory coverage/health insurance giveaway/glaringly absent public option or expansion of medicare or universal healthcare bill that the democrats are passing.
Posted by: jan | January 15, 2010, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Yes we do want healthcare reform but
not at the expense of closed door,
bribes and special favors for certain
groups.
Posted by: wis134 | January 15, 2010, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Really good health care could be enacted if we were to can this monstrosity and take these problems one at a time, like first you make insurance companies insure anyone who wants it,subsidise the folks who are not able to afford it, then one at a time attack every problem in a cool calm and sensible way, without bribes and all the other chicago type corruption.
Posted by: earl | January 15, 2010, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
I’m just a bit curious. Why would any elected representative want to pass an “unpopular bill.” There certainly should be no reluctance to vote against such a bill. So you must mean that the Democrats would be reluctant to vote for a bill that the majority of people opposed. A GOP victory in MA would certainly be good but if the Dems think a GOP loss is an indication of mid-term elections, then we can look forward to efforts to repeal this sick piece of legislation.
Posted by: wantingbalance | January 15, 2010, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
ObamaCare is arrogant, naive, corrupt, socialist.
Posted by: Jeb | January 15, 2010, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Yeah, go ahead and link the Democrats to the Red Sox, as if there aren’t any Republican fans of the Red Sox. Nice try, but it betrays your liberal grasping at straws. The observation is moronic.
Posted by: Omar G Hernandez | January 16, 2010, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Health care needs exactly one thing — tort reform, which the one thing totally missing from this bill.
Posted by: Frederick Michael | January 16, 2010, 12:22 am 12:22 am
“A government for the people, by the
DEMOCRATS……..” founding fathers
be damned!
Posted by: Sir Toby Belch | January 16, 2010, 12:36 am 12:36 am
Healthcare is not constitutional and this one was drafted by a felon and those trying to enact it are behaving like felons! What it will do to the national debt will trash the dollar and healthcare will be a moot point. The CBO warned the $12.4 trillion debt to be unsustainable, so they voted to extend the ceilinng to $12.4 trillion, with healthcare it will triple to $36+ trillion in just ten years, BEYOND ANY HOPE OF RECONCILIATION!
Before the 2008 election I said it would be better for the republican party to crash and burn than to elect a liberal republican.
The TEA Party movement is outside the republican camp so it is making waves. I am going to a GOOOH meeting on the 17th, its mission is well outside both camps. Its lofty goal for 2010 is to pull the flush handle on the House and refill the bowl with clean water. Also to change one third of the senate in 2010. It will be interesting to see how far the movement goes in 2010.
I have quite a few years of experience and i have never seen Americans riled up like this before and I feel good about it. We have known that politics and sausage are things you don’t want to see in the making, but this time it is too clear. Lies, bribes, threats, union activity, backroom deals, out of control spending . . . .The absolute worst president and congress the nation has ever experienced!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 16, 2010, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Tort reform? You mean tort reform that would have prevented my grandmother from trying to sue the doctor who prescribed her medicine that dissolved two of her vertebra which resulted in her spine being severely deformed for the rest of her life, at least 3 decades of pain, and eventually a hole in her stomach due to organs pushed out of place by her spinal deformity? That tort reform?
Posted by: jan | January 16, 2010, 4:05 am 4:05 am
Jan.. Sorry about your Grandmother, but tort reform would not have prevented her from bringing suit against the doctor. If the Democrats weren’t so hell bent on not passing Tort reform, it would limit the amount of the judgements when an out of control jury awards some rediculus amount of money to get back at the man, which causes the doctors to pay much higher insurance premiums, therefore causing the cost of healthcare to go up even more. Those kinds of judgements enabled John Edwards and the other lawyers in congress to become multi-millionaires.
Posted by: jabo | January 16, 2010, 6:08 am 6:08 am
Obama is more of a Chief of Unions than President of the USA.
I expect ACORN, SEIU, and other unsavory characters will be in Mass., in order to see dogs and cats vote in this election!
Posted by: bobc | January 16, 2010, 8:42 am 8:42 am
All the above comments largely explain why this country is where it is now with the worst health care system in the industrialized countries. We need to be less myopic, more inclusive, less dogmatic, less selfish, ….. that goes to the politicians whom these people elected to the office too. Unfortunately, maybe these politicians do reflect these people who are spewing nothing except selfishness and hate. But fortunately, they do not make up the majority.
Posted by: jbrownski | January 16, 2010, 11:01 am 11:01 am
I’m hoping Obama gets booed when he visits Beantown on Sunday. Coakley makes Sarah Palin look like a polished PhD and her remark that Curt Schilling was a Yankee fan, and this after she chided Brown for standing to shake hands with voters outside Fenway at the Flyers/Bruins game—those two remarks alone might cost her several hundred thousand votes.
Coakley has the Buckner Curse written across her forehead! Chalk her up for just another Democrat entitlement elitist who won’t condescend to shake hands with voters even in a photo-op in an old folk’s home. And her record as AG has dozens of closets full of skeletons.
Even the MSM are beginning to sense a complete meltdown and the vultures are circling overhead [metaphor alert!]. Do we really need another Barbara Boxer in the Senate? She’s rapidly setting new records for witless clueless stupidity with a dash of clumsy snootiness thrown in. BoBo still holds the all-time record, but Coakley is making up for lost time.
Finally, Health Care REFORM is one thing. The Democrats are trying to seize one-sixth of the economy behind closed doors and attach poison pills and supermajorities to overturn its malformed corrupt output.
The incredible monstrous Rube Goldberg coal tip of bribes, kickbacks, special pleadings and travesties like the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback simply aren’t just bad law. Combined with the special tax treatment the SEIU and UAW get on Cadillac health care plans, this whole exercise in political power grabbing is almost certainly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
That’s why a Supreme Court exists, among many reasons.
Posted by: daveinboca | January 16, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am
wantingbalance … do you think that this “unpopular bill” (as you characterize it) is unpopular because people really know what is in it – or is it because they are just listening to lies, misinformation and distortions spread by the conservatives – whose sole purpose is to protect their rich contibuting corporations and their powerful lobbies. To me, this is the saddest part of all. People believing the very “scoundrels” who are ripping them off every day of their life. IF health care reform doesn’t pass and become more affordable, I can guarantee you that the “jobless rate” will never go down because there are too many of us baby boomers who cannot afford to retire from the workforce because of this very issue. Here we are, one of the most “civilized” nations in the world, have costs that rise anywhere from 10-15%per year, have 30 some million uninsured – and we cannot talk rationally about this subject and find a reasonable solution. Mainly because the “rich and powerful” have the “small minds” stirred up. How pathetic are we?
Posted by: CND FOX | January 16, 2010, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Dragging poor Bill Buckner into this is a low blow, Jon Karl! From the title, I actually thought this was going to be a piece about how caring for those with chronic arthritis is going to put a strain on our health-care system.
Posted by: Don Rocks | January 16, 2010, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Dems..Please explain to us in layman’s terms WHAT the problems are that need fixed, and then list the proposed solutions for each issue. What you have done is hide behind legalease and back room deals. Pathetic!
Medical cost are absurd..I agree! And it seems insurance co’s are the easy target. And I am sure there are cost savings to be had there. But what I don’t hear are proposals to reign in costs at the service provider’s level..hospitals, doctors, therapists, medical centers, etc. I am quite sure we can find many savings if they are exposed for their outlandish fee structures! Most of which are never disclosed to the patient. Then there is the part of the legal profession I call ambulance chasers! In no uncertain terms…these thugs need to be relagated to the gutter! I’m not talking about the attorney recovering REASONABLE damages.
Posted by: ClarkOHrepub | January 16, 2010, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
The healthcare bill could have been over and done with by now but delay after delay after delay was allowed. I’m thinking democrats are their own worst enemies! If Kennedy’s senate seat is lost, I’m going to have to rethink my interest in politics.
Posted by: jobber | January 16, 2010, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
We want Health Care Reform but NOT this Obama train wreck of a bill that wont even insure everyone but will certainly cause alot of care to be rationed and taxes to go way way up. Tort reforms and other measures to cut waste are not even being considered because Obama is in a tizzy to pay back his benefactors who will profit handsomely from this socialist nightmare of a bill. Dont fall for it… Delay it and make them re do it the right way…no more rushes because of Obama’s hysteria !!!
Posted by: jimbo | January 16, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
The whole process is a mess. Congress needs balance and cooperation which is not to be found with Reid and Pelosi at the whip. Tort reform, competition between insurance companies thru cross border commerce, government clinics versus emergency room forced health care, etc.
The government can and should run health clinics by offering to pay a medical student’s entire education cost in exchange for six years of service in government run clinics. That solves two problems. Shortage of doctors and the means to care for those who cannot afford insurance or are banned by pre-existing conditions to secure insurance. Paying for doctors education is cheaper than the monstrosity that ObamaCare is being purported to be. Republicans strike a match to light a cigar. Democrats hire consultants to investigate the cigar manufacturer and the match company and then hire attorneys to limit the profits of the cigar and match company. The EPA is brought in to investigate the carbon emitted into the air prior to lighting the match. The Obama News Agencies are brought in to broadcast the upcoming environmental disaster brought on by lighting said match and concluded by Al Gore lauding Roger Revelle as global warming’s father (Al Gore got a “D” in his class at Harvard).
Scrap the mess, get government out of our lives as much as possible and tackle the interim problems one by one in a sensible manner. Balance is the key.
Posted by: Joe | January 16, 2010, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
People understand the the need for prudent and thoughtful health care reform however this congress view of reform is that of gaining more power over the people. Control energy (proposed cap and trade), food
(shutting off the water to the breadbasket of the world in the San Joaquin Valley) and water (proposed Clean water act) and health care and ability to provide for family through meaningful jobs (not union make work jobs) you control the people (modern day enslavement). Will we become the next Haiti?
Posted by: Downwithsocialism | January 16, 2010, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Thanks DownWithSocialism for your support of our Central Valley farmers. Farms that have been in families for generations are at risk, thousands of jobs are being lost and many supporting businesses are hurting. I can only guess that the tactic is to get rid of the few remaining conservatives in California, guaranteeing 55 electoral votes for democrats in perpetuity.
Posted by: ExZonie | January 16, 2010, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
Uh Jan………You do NOT want healthcare reform from this set of wide eyed goofy liberals! God willing, it will NEVER pass (and you will be glad that it doesn’t)!
Something from a conservative standpoint that lowers premiums and provides more coverage would be a horse of a totally different color.
Posted by: Frederick | January 16, 2010, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
It’s not Ted Kennedy’s seat. It’s a seat in the Senate, which represents ALL the people. It belongs to no one particular entity.
Posted by: Jennifer | January 16, 2010, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm