By Kristina Wong

Jan 21, 2010 5:28pm

Geithner Has Concerns About President’s Proposed New Bank Rules

Jake Tapper and Matt Jaffe report:

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has reservations about President Obama's new proposal to limit the size and scope of the nation's banks, sources tell ABC News.

Specifically, the sources say, Geithner is worried that the proposed limits could damage the competitiveness of US firms with their global competitors.

"It needs to be done right,” one source close to Geithner told ABC News. “How it gets implemented and how it gets defined is absolutely critical. We don’t want to disrupt the ability of banks to lend.”

Another source in the financial industry says that the Treasury boss fears that political fears may now be overriding economic considerations.

But on the other hand, with financial regulatory reform legislation bottle-necked in the Senate, Geithner is pleased that President Obama is more engaged in the issue today than at the end of 2009, when he was focused more on health care reform and Afghanistan.

Geithner – along with the rest of the administration's economic team – was standing behind the President at today's White House announcement.

Reuters was first to report Geithner's concerns earlier Thursday evening.

-Jake Tapper and Matt Jaffe

User Comments

Who do you think is going to pay this “bank tax”?
Obamacrat for Palin | Jan 21, 2010 5:43:53 PM
The largest banks (top 50 I think) who are assessed the tax will pay it, and if they have to pass it along to their customers then those customers will go to one of the hundreds of smaller banks. A very market-friendly way to allow the invisible hand of the market to decide if banks ‘too big to fail’ are worth their cost to taxpayers. If big banks can’t afford to pay for their taxpayer provided insurance and still compete, they will get smaller (and no longer be too big to fail). Simple and elegant.

Posted by: jhw539 | January 21, 2010, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Government controlled banks which will severely restricted in their ability to turn a profit. Nice, Obama.

Posted by: ConservativeWoman | January 21, 2010, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

How about this for “simple and elegant”:
No bank is “too big to fail”. No government bailouts of poorly run banks.

Posted by: tjp612 | January 21, 2010, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Re: “A bank tax? Bank tax?”
How else is he going to get the banksters to pay back the TARP money? He needs to fire Geithner and Summers. Get those wall St hacks out of the White House. We need to bring back Glass Steagall.
Mobe your money to a credit union and you will pay little or no fees.

Posted by: Bubbles | January 21, 2010, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

“How else is he going to get the banksters to pay back the TARP money?”
Haven’t most of the banks paid back TARP money (with interest)?
Here’s who hasn’t paid back bailouts:
- Fannie and Freddie
- GM and Chrysler
- AIG
Don’t hear much about these entities…much more politically expedient to level populist rants at “fat cat” bankers…

Posted by: tjp612 | January 21, 2010, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Haven’t most of the banks paid back TARP money (with interest)?
Here’s who hasn’t paid back bailouts:
- Fannie and Freddie
- GM and Chrysler
- AIG
Don’t hear much about these entities…much more politically expedient to level populist rants at “fat cat” bankers…
Posted by: tjp612 |
Yes tjp, you are correct but don’t give the banks a pass. This isn’t about the new TARPish fee (that won’t get out of congress, btw). It’s about ending the commingling of commercial and investment banking into one US gov’t backstopped, too-big-to-fail, morally hazardous entity that benefits the fattest of the fat (and their political lackeys) and rewards unlimited risk-taking at the expense of the rest of us.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | January 21, 2010, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Re: “AIG”
The bailout to AIG was really a bailout for Goldman Sachs. AIG owed Goldman Sachs money and that’s where the AIG bailout money went. The last Treasury Secretary was a former head of Goldman Sachs. They need to pay it back, as do the government agencies that got bailed out.

Posted by: Bubbles | January 21, 2010, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Obamacrat for Palin, it’s nice to see that at least one of the obamazombies was able to wake up from the nightmare that was obama’s lie of a campaign. As an economist, what I can tell you all is that people will not leave these big banks and simply go somewhere else. The account types that these big banks hold are not your grandmothers savings accounts. These Banks such as BoA, are the banks that have people contracted into outrageous interest rates on loans and credit lines. It’s not an issue of closing a checking account or a cd and going down the street. Those accounts make up a very small percentage of big bank business. Most business by these banks is in the form of hedge funds and money management.
The bottom line is that obama promised change and hope for “main street america” when it is main street that lacks the understanding of how the real world is run behind the scenes.
Obama CAN’T change big banks because big banks dictate the operation of america and even other countries that really on it.
Maybe obama should stick to what he’s good at and go back to Hawaii whilst STILL making innuendos about all of Bush’s vacationing.

Posted by: sleeper | January 21, 2010, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

No bank is “too big to fail”. No government bailouts of poorly run banks.
tjp612 | Jan 21, 2010 6:38:22 PM
That would be the “socialize all banks” option. If the big banks were allowed to fail, all the smaller banks would have immediately failed and been taken over by the FDIC. This is what the most liberal wing of Democrats was demanding – socialization of all the banks.
(I assume you do realize ‘let them fail’ means ‘the FDIC would take them all over,’ just as they do dozens of small banks every year, and run them until they could be made solvent and sold to private holdings – which would probably be years in this case.)

Posted by: jhw539 | January 21, 2010, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Government controlled banks which will severely restricted in their ability to turn a profit.
ConservativeWoman | Jan 21, 2010 6:31:56 PM
How is taxing the largest banks making them government controlled? Surely you can blame Obama for something he is actually proposing and don’t have to make up some absurd accusation and try to lie it off as fact.

Posted by: jhw539 | January 21, 2010, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

The bailout to AIG was really a bailout for Goldman Sachs.
Bubbles | Jan 21, 2010 7:02:33 PM
Or, back in the land of reality, the bailout to Goldman Sachs was really the bailout to Goldman Sachs…

Posted by: jhw539 | January 21, 2010, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

JHW, Goldman was one of the many companies AIG had to “make whole”-Over $12 Billion was funneled to them through AIG’s bailout, the most of any other company AIG owed money to. Regardless, after today..between and Geithner and Voelker, Frank and Obama..I feel like we’re stuck in a Miami Vice episode in the “good cop” “bad cop” scene. Business hates uncertainty…oh well, too bad.

Posted by: cindy | January 21, 2010, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Mr. Secretary, either support your President or resign! I also reject the notions that “we don’t understand how banks work” and “we can’t change big banks”. How they work is obvious. They take our tax dollars; renege on the promise to clean up toxic assets; stop loaning money; and give big bonuses to people who don’t need them. We can’t change them? We could. We just need a strong Pres. and A.G., unafraid to unleash his anti-trust division and a congress with some spine. I find deeply offensive the idea that the American people are virtual “serfs” indentured in life time service to big international corporations. Of course, the SCOTUS didn’t quite get that message. And yes, the corruption at Fannie and Freddie needs to be fixed and the excessive bonuses returned to the American people. It’s existence doesn’t excuse the big bank’s greed and total lack of moral compass.

Posted by: B. Bear | January 21, 2010, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

Why not just bring back Glass Steagall? The “last 8 years” whiners forget that the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act by Bill Clinton in 1999 was the deregulation that had much to do with banks getting as big an vulnerable as they did.

Posted by: Steve | January 21, 2010, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Obamacrat for Palin
I am neither a big fan of Sarah Palin nor a detractor. I read her book, however. Her thinking is much more in line with mainstream American than Mr. Hope and Change’s. The disgracefully biased media made her into a cartoon character. She is no dummy.

Posted by: Steve | January 21, 2010, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

How about this:
“A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it away”.
– Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Steve | January 21, 2010, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Why not just bring back Glass Steagall?
Posted by: Steve |
Because the banks won’t allow it.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | January 21, 2010, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

The manchild has given the American populace a great look at the fraud that is liberalism and they are roundly rejecting it.
The human wrecking ball has already caused a lot of damage, and it will take a long time to recover, but America is not about “spreading the wealth around” and the people know it. This bodes very well for the long term future of the country.
Air America filed for BK too. LOL. What a week for the libs!

Posted by: marxmywords | January 21, 2010, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

TurboTax Timmy knows where his bread is buttered. He only has a few months left in the administration and will soon be knocking on the doors of the Big Bad Banks.

Posted by: Woody | January 21, 2010, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

Referendum!! We need to get it on the ballot coming this next election. Let the voters decide if there are to be any more bailouts. We could even have a referendum on the ballot for single payer heath care, term limits on judges, congressman, and senators. Let the people decide!

Posted by: rightbehind | January 21, 2010, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

I just know one thing..there are certain scenarios in life where you would like to hear the “experts” agreeing with each other..
the specialists who are talking about “your case” at the foot of your hospital bed, the rescue team on the other side of the concrete trying to figure out how to get you out of a collapsed building, our country’s top economic team as they publicly discuss the future of our fragile, dysfunctional banking system..
I’m just sayin…

Posted by: cindy | January 21, 2010, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

Barry doesn’t know who Timmy G. really works for.

Posted by: Speed Dial | January 21, 2010, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

Obama is incapable of change or rationale thought – He is a radical and a true believer and follower of Saul Alinsky. Geithner is a criminal at heart and loves money. He is just waiting to see who will make the offer he cannot refuse. It would be interesting to see what is with the “dead fish” when it arrives in Timmy’s mail.

Posted by: Ricepaddyrob | January 21, 2010, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm

I think Mr. Geithner hangs around with Mr. Obama too long. Look at the quote here:
“It needs to be done right,” one source close to Geithner told ABC News. “How it gets implemented and how it gets defined is absolutely critical. We don’t want to disrupt the ability of banks to lend”
It sounds exactly like the words out of Mr. Obama’s mouth – all general stuff without any forward thinking or solutions.

Posted by: young_voter | January 21, 2010, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

Geithner is a criminal at heart and loves money.
___________________________________
You’re just like Bush! Bush was able to gaze into Putin’s eyes and lovingly see his soul.
Only difference is you’re not able to look into Tim Geithner’s heart – and you don’t really know at all.

Posted by: tierra | January 22, 2010, 12:24 am 12:24 am

This is a bizarre entry. Something is odd.
When have any of Obama’s close circle come out and hinted in any way that they had an issue with one Obama’s gagillion new agenda initiatives?
My guess: Geithner was as blind-sided as the banks that they are suddenly ordered to restructure themselves. Obama sprung this huge change on everyone, in a careening attempt to divert the news chatter away from this week’s humiliations.
Geithner signals Obama is “acting stupidly”, playing with fire for political gain rather than thoughtful policy.
Is Mr. Cool coming unhinged? So soon?
God help us.

Posted by: Carol | January 22, 2010, 12:41 am 12:41 am

First the president wanted to save the big banks, now he wants to dismember them? This guy is just making it up as he goes along.

Posted by: RobertoM | January 22, 2010, 1:21 am 1:21 am

First the president wanted to save the big banks, now he wants to dismember them? This guy is just making it up as he goes along.
__________________________________
I’m not sure that’s an accurate depiction. Here’s how the Telegraph describes it.
“(The President) is now proposing the “Volcker Rule” – a separation of banking between its riskier elements (proprietary trading, hedge funds and private equity investments for a bank’s own profit) and more vanilla commercial banking.
“. . . it will end banking’s moral hazard. Risk will be more transparent and borne by the appropriate groups. Shareholders and creditors of financial firms undertaking proprietary trading and the like will now take the profits and bear the losses, rather than just the former with the latter forced on the taxpayer. Capital, and its trading, will become more expensive but that’s no bad thing and is a necessary part of repricing risk, a process that’s far from complete.”

Posted by: tierra | January 22, 2010, 2:52 am 2:52 am

Geithner is right. Limit the banks and they will not be able to compete internationally. Obama scares me. He knows nothing about business. THIS quote REALLY scares me: Another source in the financial industry says that the Treasury boss fears that political fears may now be overriding economic considerations.

Posted by: tm | January 22, 2010, 3:01 am 3:01 am

Let the people decide!
Posted by: rightbehind
why stop there, lets let ‘the people’ decide if slavery should be brought back, or whether ‘mixed’ marriages should be legal, maybe if we are the over used cliche ‘christian nation’ we should only have a christian religion,.. lets let ‘the people’ decide if the earth is flat and whether science works…
light those torches

Posted by: 666 | January 22, 2010, 3:38 am 3:38 am

Limit the banks and they will not be able to compete internationally
.Posted by: tm
a good portion of the ‘bailout’ went to overseas banks…

Posted by: TJ | January 22, 2010, 3:39 am 3:39 am

does anyone else find it a bit strange that many of the folks who now are making economic decisions for the country were part of the Wall St. companies that needed government assistance to fix their greed and recklessness… and saying that Wall Street shouldn’t be regulated

Posted by: OOP's | January 22, 2010, 3:42 am 3:42 am

THIS quote REALLY scares me: Another source in the financial industry says that the Treasury boss fears that political fears may now be overriding economic considerations.
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Sounds like sensationalist journalism more than anything else. You could probably find any number of ‘unnamed sources’ ‘in the financial industry’ to say almost everything imaginable.

Posted by: tierra | January 22, 2010, 4:01 am 4:01 am

I wonder if many of you realise how daft most of your comments sound:
If Obama tries to save the banks, he is their hatchet-man. If he tries to regulate them, he is anti-business and socialist. If he does nothing, he is dithering.
You do realise that for most of us non-Americans reading these comments, we then assume it is YOU the plebiscite with the problem. Your loathing of the man is consistent, even when your opinions on policy waver by the Fox hour. Sad.
And btw, I am an Obama neutral observer. I hope he does better, but if @tm or @Steve are ‘mainstream’ American opinion, you deserve Palin as president. And God help the rest of the free World!

Posted by: Job | January 22, 2010, 4:52 am 4:52 am

Perhaps someone should recognize the danger of large global corporations, and the very real potential for such entities to become a threat to governments?????

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | January 22, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Ole Geithner (Goldman Sachs) is holding out for global rule over banking and centralizing the world’s Feds into the IMF. This will come with a global tax on all finanacial transactions made globally to give their new government in the sky a steady stream of income without the need of National approval.
The internationalist idiots are hoping for a a “solution” of global government to emerge from the economic crisis they created. Think twice before joining these fruitcakes in the song “we are the world…” Let’s be ourselves and be free instead.

Posted by: Sara | January 22, 2010, 11:01 am 11:01 am

There are alwaws reservations…just like in Health Care (Insurance)Reform. The key word being REFORM. It may hurt a little, but it’s necessary.

Posted by: Gerald | January 22, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am

This talk about global competition being usurpted is pure smoke screen BS.

Posted by: LongT | January 22, 2010, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Geithner has too narrow a conception of his job. He behaves as if he is Secretary of Wall Street and not Secretary of the Treasury. He also functions like a bureaucrat and not a leader. He has been a millstone around Obama’s neck.

Posted by: BC | January 22, 2010, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Geithner is always in “lock-step” with Obama’s liberal plans — why not now? — Is it time that even Obama’s closest advisors and appointees are saying “enough is enough”? — I would hope so, but I doubt it!

Posted by: HoosierValues | January 22, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Wall Street and The Big Corporations, Drug companies, banks, etc., control everything. It’s still a revolving door policy. Now the supreme court ruled anything goes with campaigning omg- more corruption!

Posted by: chris | January 22, 2010, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

he must be an American and sees that Obama is trying to take over the banks so he can control them. Can’t have health care so he may as well make a move on the banks before his speach. Like watching Elmer Fudd hunt the rabbitt

Posted by: Jim Rod | January 22, 2010, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

Geithner is controlled by a small Banker group of elite rich guys, Rockefeller and Rothchild, the same people whom Obama is attempting to resist and the same two families that have controlled the economy since the Great Depression. Paulson and Bernake are also controlled by these men as well as numerous, high ranking Politicians.
Obama is now resisting these super-wealthy people in order to save his political rear end. These Bankers have total control of ALL Republicans Politicians but only SOME Democrats, and Obama is a maverick to them, someone they never in their wildest dreams would be elected. OBama has attempted to set up his Administration with people who are NOT aligned with these Bankers but Geithner is an exception who Obama cannot control other than to fire him. If Obama fires Geithner it will cause many ripple effects against Obama that will ultimately destroy his Presidency. So both sides, Geithner and Obama, are VERY careful not to upset each other, but it’s inevitable after the Massachusetts election that there will be a more defined struggle.

Posted by: Johnny El | January 22, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

The old good-cop bad-cop routine. Both kiss the feet of the rich, but slick Obama (the traitor to the working class), wants to look so humble and concerned. Too late; fool me twice at his expense only.

Posted by: len | January 22, 2010, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

Geithner’s worried about “our” (and I cringe when I write that) banks being competitive with overseas banks, but he hasn’t called for the joint transparency and checks on banks that the Europeans proposed but Bush blocked. He also hasn’t called for the 90% taxes on bankers bonuses the French, etc. are using because the bonuses strongly tempt risky investing.

Posted by: The_Mick | January 23, 2010, 5:57 am 5:57 am

Banking privileges of national banks look like the reverse beanstalk that Jack built – right into the pockets of all Americans and most of its businesses.
Is there really a cure for covert moneylaundering if the word is never mentioned?

Posted by: Pat | June 9, 2010, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Front door credit at banks wasn’t too bad until the Feds opened the back door for banks to do their money running and money laundering.
Even usary laws could have been regulated given the one bank-one state residency case in the early 2000′s. Ignoring the best but allowing the worst was never the privilege of banks until now.

Posted by: Pat | June 9, 2010, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

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