Martha Coakley: A Democratic Canary in a Coalmine?
Political operatives say the Senate race in Massachusetts between Democratic state attorney general Martha Coakley and Republican state senator Scott Brown is too close to call. But the fact that President Obama felt the need to fly to the Bay State to campaign for a Democrat in one of the most Democratic states in the nation speaks volumes about the ugly climate for Democratic candidates.
Coakley has run an imperfect campaign and has had a rough couple weeks. But, as one senior White House official acknowledged to me, "in Massachusetts, even after a rough couple weeks the Democrat should be ahead." Polls have Coakley and Brown neck and neck.
At the rally in Boston for Coakley yesterday, President Obama said a few things worth paying attention to:
1) Feigned Nonchalance:
The president said of Brown: "I don't know him, he may be a perfectly nice guy. I don't know his record, but I don't know whether he's been fighting for you up until now."
But he also revealed some fairly intimate knowledge of Brown and the race: "He voted with the Republicans 96 percent of the time," the president said of Brown's time in the Massachusetts legislature. "Ninety-six percent of the time." He took on one of Brown's best lines during the campaign, when he pushed back on a debate question about sitting in "Teddy Kennedy's seat" and said it's "the people's seat."
"There's been a lot said in this race that this is not the Kennedy seat it's the people's seat," President Obama said. "And let me tell you that the first person who would agree with that is Teddy Kennedy."
And he went after one of Brown's signature shticks, his old pickup truck, used to convey Everyman appeal. "You've got to look under the hood," President Obama said. "Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck."
Clearly President Obama — as he should — is well aware of Brown's record.
2) Health Care Reform? What Health Care Reform?:
Last week President Obama attempted to reassure House Democrats that health care reform would be a political winner.
“If Republicans want to campaign against what we've done by standing up for the status quo and for insurance companies over American families and businesses, that is a fight I want to have," he said. "I'll be out there waging a great campaign from one end of the country to the other, telling Americans with insurance or without what they stand to gain about the arsenal of consumer protections; about the long-awaited stability that they're going to begin to experience. And I'm going to tell them that I am proud we are putting the future of America before the politics of the moment — the next generation before the next election.”
But in Boston — a fairly hospitable "one end of the country" — the president did not directly mention the health care reform legislation, opposition to which Brown has made one of the signatures of his campaign. He talked about Coakley being on the side of the people, and Brown on the side of the insurance industry, but there was no direct reference to Brown being the key vote against passage of the health care reform bill.
This was an obvious sign that the White House knows just how unpopular the legislation currently is, regardless of what the president told House Democrats last week.
3) I Feel Your Anger:
The president acknowledged voter anger in a more stark way than I can recall him ever doing. (And again: this is in Massachusetts!)
"The anger there is real," a White House official told me, and it's replicated all over the country.
"People are frustrated and they're angry, and they have every right to be," President Obama said, "I understand. Because progress is slow, and no matter how much progress we make, it can’t come fast enough for the people who need help right now, today."
He went on to paint Brown and the GOP as exploiting that "pain and anger to score a few political points. There are always folks who think that the best way to solve these problems are to demonize others. And, unfortunately, we're seeing some of that politics in Massachusetts today.
"You know, we always knew that change was going to be hard. And what we also understood — I understood this the minute I was sworn into office — was that there were going to be some who stood on the sidelines, who were protectors of the big banks, and protectors of the big insurance companies, protectors of the big drug companies, who would say, 'You know what, we can take advantage of this crisis — because it's going to be so bad, even though we helped initiate these policies, there's going to be a sleight of hand here because we're going to let Democrats take responsibility. We're going to let them make the tough choices. We're going to let them rescue the economy. And then we can tap into that anger and that frustration.'
"It's the oldest play in the book," the president said.
It’s not that the White House has been unaware of how ugly the 2010 midterms could be for Democrats. But however this race turns out, the closeness of the Coakley-Brown race is an ominous sign for Democrats.
4) Planning for a Brown Win:
This was unsaid at the rally, but one other thing worth noting is that the White House is obviously preparing a strategy for health care reform in case Coakley loses.
As we reported previously, the White House would want the House pass the Senate bill, so the Senate doesn’t have to vote any more on the matter in the new post-supermajority Senate with Scott Brown.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has told the White House that she’s skeptical the House would pass that legislation, given the stark differences in some areas, but Senate Democrats and White House officials would push hard the notion that the bills are 90 percent similar and not doing so would be allowing the insurance companies to win. House Democrats would want Senate Democrats force the bill through by bypassing normal Senate rules and passing the legislation through the "reconciliation" process — requiring only 50 votes. That would even allow some moderates to peel away.
But White House officials note that reconciliation is only for budget matters so the most popular parts of the bill involving insurance reforms — banning the denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions, for instance — would not be part of that bill.
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“llowing the insurance companies to win”
Insurance companies winning =Bad.
Wall St. companies winning =good.
Posted by: Go Goldman! | January 18, 2010, 8:29 am 8:29 am
“Obama demonizes Republicans for ‘demonizing’ Democrats using ‘the oldest play in the book.’”
Posted by: Elle | January 18, 2010, 8:44 am 8:44 am
The Democrat Party is running around like a bunch of frightened rabbits. A funny thing happened on the way to social utopianism – it’s unamerican and we simply won’t stand for it!
Posted by: MVCTDEM | January 18, 2010, 8:48 am 8:48 am
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.. I am in LOVE with Scott Brown!
Gooooo Brown!
Posted by: Rob | January 18, 2010, 8:50 am 8:50 am
“Coakley has run an imperfect campaign”
LOL, that’s the understatement of the year!
Posted by: Doug | January 18, 2010, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Go DIVIDED Govt!!
that is a true check and balance!
give the keys to the hen house to one fox be it Dem or Rep.. and look what happens..
Posted by: sokadija | January 18, 2010, 8:54 am 8:54 am
MA has it’s version of Obamacare-it’s called Romneycare-and the state cannot afford it. It is 20% more expensive than it was sold to us as being. Our rates are still increasing approximately 7% each year. I believe MA has the most expensive rates in the country. The State is going broke trying to afford this plan. This country cannot afford the entitlement programs we already have in place and MA cannot afford to subsidize the healthcare in other states – it increasingly cannot take care of its own. MA Democrats have had a supermajority in House and Senate for years and are killing this State. We must vote for SCOTT BROWN on Tuesday to get rid of the Senate supermajority that exists at the National level.
Posted by: Anne | January 18, 2010, 8:54 am 8:54 am
As I watched the President yesterday, the hypocrasy of his words were remarkable. President Obama has fallen from grace with the masses because he has truly participated in blatant bribery and corrupt activities. This is the stuff of Mafia bosses, not US Presidents. Regardless of the outcome of the election, the future is clear. Once one loses credibility in life, it is almost impossible to recover.
Posted by: dbc | January 18, 2010, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Simply put, the Dems don’t get it.
Posted by: wis134 | January 18, 2010, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Awesome job Jake, you are one of the few that is not intimidated by the politics of DC. It matters not if it is Bush or Obama, you ask the tough questions and report the facts without the spin and sugar coating. Keep up the good work. Believe it or not, many of us are not gullible drones willing to be manipulated by the political propaganda from the left and the right. We want the truth without the twist.
Posted by: Rick | January 18, 2010, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Why isn’t Obama demanding health care negotiations by his party be broadcast on C-SPAN?
Is transparency politically inconvenient for his Administration and his party in Congress?
If so, why?
Posted by: Good Lt. | January 18, 2010, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Maybe we all feel uncomfortable with any party in control of both houses and the white house… it’s just too cozy.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | January 18, 2010, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Oh, her name is Martha…Gotcha.
Posted by: Pat K. | January 18, 2010, 9:06 am 9:06 am
The polls do NOT show the two “neck-and-neck”. Obviously this author doesn’t have a clue what math is. Brown is substantially ahead, and the trend is going even higher.
No wonder I don’t believe anything reporters say anymore.
Posted by: RockyRoad | January 18, 2010, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Obama, Palosi, Reid, the axis of evil. Corruption, bribes, lies, socialism,mafia tactics,control of the masses,playing God on health care.All part of their agenda. Need I say more!!!!God help America and vote for Scott Brown!!!!!
Posted by: frankv | January 18, 2010, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Jake,
Thank you for being a stand-up journalist – not afraid to report the truth and call ‘em like you see ‘em. I have lost so much faith in the mainstream media, but your willingness to be impartial is so refreshing. I hope your bosses find more reporters like you.
Posted by: Dan in Okla City | January 18, 2010, 9:10 am 9:10 am
My fear is that those that fell for Obama’s snazzy appearance and lofty, albeit empty, rhetoric will once again fall under his spell and will vote for Coakley after hearing him speak on the subject.
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Obama… Always I
Obama… Always Me
Obama… Always My
Obama… Never We
Obama… Never Us
Obama… Never Our
Obama is not of “We The People”!
Posted by: Ben | January 18, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
It will be a tight race but only because the corrupt democrat machine is buying the votes with SEIU and ACORN. Scott Brown has run a very clean campaign vs. the Coakley omit the truth ads. A balance of power in the Senate is a good thing, even Teddy would admit that Mr. Obama.
Go Scott. 41 bust.
Posted by: gekins | January 18, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Beware Mr. Obama’s okey-doke.
Look under the hood of his “truck:” big banks, pharmaceuticals, insurance companies, lobbyists, unions.
If he thinks Americans are easily duped with his Elmer Gantry act, he doesn’t get it at all.
His elitist sneering is wearing very, very thin.
Posted by: Mary | January 18, 2010, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Brown by a landslide.
Obama on his way out, where he belongs.
Americans in charge of America.
Can’t wait.
Posted by: Oren | January 18, 2010, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Remember what this monster — Coakley– did to the Amirault family. She by herself is a horrible person and a horrible candidate. If she loses, which she really should, she did it to herself. She is like Nifong, a self-interested liar and prosecutor of innocent people.
Posted by: jdcarmine | January 18, 2010, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Brown is substantially ahead, and the trend is going even higher.
RockyRoad | Jan 18, 2010 9:06:49 AM
So if Coakley pulls it out, it will be a strong sign of the strength and popularity of Obama, who has showed up in the final hour to campaign for her.
It will be interesting.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Feel the hate!
Posted by: Marko | January 18, 2010, 9:27 am 9:27 am
What strikes me most about the Obama administration is we get no hope that things will get better. Where is the hope and change he promised? Most of us are holding out waiting for the next shoe to fall. A Democrat win in Massachusetts is not going to change angry mood of the electorate. In fact, a win may deepen it!
Posted by: Jeff in orlando | January 18, 2010, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Just think, Coakley supports giving tax breaks on health care to union members and not to other working class that are not union members. Mass. voters can help all working class Americans that are not union members by electing Brown.
Posted by: jamescbuilder | January 18, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Obama alleges the GOP are those “who were protectors of the big banks, and protectors of the big insurance companies, protectors of the big drug companies, who would say, ‘You know what, we can take advantage of this crisis…” Yet who was well represented on the Host Committe for Coakley’s fundraiser in D.C. last week? (Chief lobbyists for insurance and drug companies)This is a statement (and irony) Tapper should have challenged.
Spinning your own sins onto opponents is a very tired strategy. Obama has transformed the bully pulpit into a bull-poop-it, and apparently more than 51% of likely voters have grasped this. Corzine was the canary, Jake…it’s time to find another metaphor.
Posted by: pkorman | January 18, 2010, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Kennedy calls her “Marcia”?!”I don’t know his record”?Do the Democrats even care about this race?Obviously Coakley is a disaster and out-of-touch,but you would think that her supporters could do the minimal research and remember her name.This may be a referendum on Obama,but it seems to me to be more a referendum on the Mass. Democrat party’s sense that the seat was theirs and it didn’t matter what the voters wanted; the party knew best what was good for the people.Patrick will be the next to go.
Posted by: Nephron | January 18, 2010, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Interesting how so very many Obama supporters label any that don’t agree with his and their policies as “haters”.
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 9:30 am 9:30 am
“People are frustrated and they’re angry, and they have every right to be,” President Obama said, “I understand. Because progress is slow, and no matter how much progress we make, it can’t come fast enough for the people who need help right now, today.”
When is he going to get it? The anger he’s witnessing has nothing to do with people wanting “help.” In fact, it’s precisely the opposite: It’s about wanting the government to GET OUT OF OUR LIVES.
Posted by: Tom | January 18, 2010, 9:36 am 9:36 am
“not doing so would be allowing the insurance companies to win.”
What???? The health insurance companies are the biggest winner in the Senate bill.
30 million, new coerced customers, guaranteed profit margin and reduced competition.
Why else are the Insurance lobbyists dumping piles of money on the Coakley campaign?
Other winners: Big pharma from reduce competition from generics and AARP with a $100 million “grant” (bribe)
Posted by: Sabastian | January 18, 2010, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Interesting how so very many Obama supporters label any that don’t agree with his and their policies as “haters”.
Kathy | Jan 18, 2010 9:30:39 AM
Do you not understand why? Below are a few quotes from this very thread. These are people disagreeing with Obama’s policy, that are personal attacks, in some cases casting Obama as not American. Accusations of high crimes and treason are tossed off like slogans. This is not rational disagreements with policy, it is classic personal dehumanization of an opponent and is creating an atmosphere that is leading to the Secret Service having to deal with more death threats than for any other president, ever. That’s what the Right’s peddling of hatred rather than actual policy disagreement has led to.
“President Obama has fallen from grace with the masses because he has truly participated in blatant bribery and corrupt activities. This is the stuff of Mafia bosses…”
“Obama, Palosi, Reid, the axis of evil.”
“Obama… Always I
Obama… Always Me
Obama… Always My
…
Obama is not of “We The People”!”
“It will be a tight race but only because the corrupt democrat machine is buying the votes with SEIU and ACORN.”
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am
@frankv
51-46 IS neck-and-neck in a survey with a +/-5% margin of error.
Apparantly YOU don’t have a grasp of statistics.
Posted by: Blixa | January 18, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am
“If Republicans…standing up for the status quo and for insurance companies over American families and businesses…” Last I checked the health, insurance and legal industries were the major contributors to Pelossi, Reid, Miller, Boxer…etc., made more donations to Democrats than Republicans.
None of the insurance companies are American businesses?
I would love to own a company in an industry in which it was a law that every American had to buy my product!
Posted by: ja | January 18, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Why isn’t Obama demanding health care negotiations by his party be broadcast on C-SPAN?
Good Lt. | Jan 18, 2010 9:04:17 AM
Have you watched the 200 hours+ of debate on the health care bill currently available at C-Span? Seems awfully hollow for someone to be stridently insisting that internal party strategy sessions be broadcast if they haven’t seemed to care about the unprecedented amount of debate that has already been public. The health care bill has had the most broadcast debate of any bill in this nation’s history. But that just isn’t good enough, if Obama isn’t perfect, he’s failed – Right?
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Mr Tapper rightly points out that Obama didn’t bother to dwell on his healthcare initiative at the rally yesterday. Reminds me of the time I disassembled my fathers lawnmower and then couldn’t put it back together again. I tried to put off the inevitable punishment by not mentioning the lawn at all….it didn’t work.
Posted by: Mike L | January 18, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
“These negotations will be on CSPAN” said Obama
“We will have a discussion right there in front of the American people” said Obama.
“The public will be part of the conversation” said Obama.
“You can shame Congress into doing the right thing if people know what’s going on” said Obama.
“Part of what we have to do in enlist the American people in this process” said Obama.
You are a complete idiot if you believe anything more Barack Obama has to say.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 9:48 am 9:48 am
What???? The health insurance companies are the biggest winner in the Senate bill.
Sabastian | Jan 18, 2010 9:39:30 AM
Their ‘winning’ is thanks only to the Republicans standing as a single block against single payer.
And if you think they’re happy about no longer being able to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions or drop patients when they get sick and start costing money, you’re delusional. Or easily led by the liars on the Right. There is no question the new bill reins in the insurance companies (just as there is no question that it raises taxes on some – it’s not free, but it is paid for).
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Fool me twice, and I am a Demcorat.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 9:49 am 9:49 am
jhw
Let me ask you a question.
Should a person be able to open a bank account with $5 and then withdraw $10,000 then next day?
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Obama lost it. His lack luster support and dreaded campaigning for NJ, and VA governors was pathetic. He should stay away from the campaign trail and concentrate on creating jobs. Stop raising taxes and fees and cut Govt employees bloated salaries and pensions. Stop the madness. He is doing too much too fast too soon and spending too much.
Posted by: Dean O | January 18, 2010, 9:50 am 9:50 am
I love it…
When a Republican is up 5, 10, 9, and 5 in the last four polls, it is “dead even.”
But if the roles were reversed, I’m sure Coakley would be “running away with it.”
Posted by: Jeff | January 18, 2010, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Mass. Should be so insulted by this unabridged lie that he doesnt know Mr. Brown that they will introduce him by a landslide vote on tuesday.
Posted by: earl | January 18, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Should a person be able to have a car accident one day and get insurance the next day and have the accident covered by the new policy?
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am
I’m out here in flyover country hoping that a Scott Brown victory drives a stake through the heart of this vampiric health-care bill.
All of my congressional representatives voted against Obama’s monstrosity. Now it comes down to the “kindness of strangers,” i.e., voters in Massachusetts, to do the right thing.
Posted by: Jack Davis | January 18, 2010, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Jhw539, the only quote that had even a hint of hatefulness was the one mentioning the “axis of evil”. Other than that you have proven my point. Please discredit the other quotes you listed with hard facts.
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
The “Too Close To Call” race…
Last 5 polls:
PPP Brown +5
Suffolk Brown +4
PJM/CT Brown +10
ARG Brown +3
Medford/MRG Brown +9
Posted by: Jeff | January 18, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
“We will have a discussion right there in front of the American people” said Obama.
“The public will be part of the conversation” said Obama.
You are a complete idiot if you believe anything more Barack Obama has to say.
drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 9:48:23 AM
Speaking of complete idiots, the health care bill has had more hours of Congressional debate publicly televised than any bill in the history of the nation. Name one bill, ever, that has had this much open debate. Can you even name a single bill in the last century that has every had the kind of massive townhall debate this one had, never mind all the televised floor debate and committee meetings. And the number of marked up bills, working drafts and committee submittals made public on the internet are again unprecedented – in the past this stuff wouldn’t even be available to the public in hardcopy.
But that’s not 100% perfect, so you’re spinning that it is a failure. But a Democrat is someone that will settle for “more transparent process ever with more direct public involvement than any other bill in a century.” And if you don’t agree that’s true, just name the other bill that went longer, had more televised debate, or that had townhalls in almost every district.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Coakley will win because a democrat never loses close local elections. No matter how many more votes Brown has at the end of the night, somehow the democrats will always “find” the votes needed. It will be “close”, but the Democrat will win in the end – and, surprisingly, the media will have little interest in following up.
Posted by: JDW | January 18, 2010, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Obama says “everybody can buy a truck.” Not really, not in this economic environment, and certainly not with the threat of crap and tax.
Just another example of Obama’s elitist and totally out of touch attitude.
Posted by: MadTaxpayer | January 18, 2010, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Remember- that which passes through recomciliation can be undone through reconciliation.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Obama gets that people are angry .. he just doesn’t understand the reason they are angry.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | January 18, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 9:55:15 AM
Oh come on. This was too easy.
From US News:
Democratic Leaders Plan Secret Health Reform Deliberations
January 04, 2010 05:45 PM ET | Peter Roff
Despite their claims to the contrary, the way that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have handled the healthcare bill has been anything but transparent. And, if the left-wing blogosphere is to be believed, the two congressional leaders intend to keep the deliberations secret as they try to merge the House and Senate versions of the legislation into something that will pass both chambers.
The Talking Points Memo website reported Monday that Democrats in both the House and Senate are saying the process will likely follow the path of the House taking up the Senate-passed legislation, amending it and sending it back to the Senate, which will have to pass it again. “This process cuts out the Republicans,” a House Democratic aide told TPM, indicating the congressional majority intended to make sure the Republican minority would “not have a motion to recommit opportunity.”
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 9:58 am 9:58 am
He went on to paint Brown and the GOP as exploiting that “pain and anger to score a few political points. There are always folks who think that the best way to solve these problems are to demonize others. And, unfortunately, we’re seeing some of that politics in Massachusetts today.
That’s right, demonize the evil GOP and decry the politics of demonizing the others in the same breath. Has there ever been a more shameless hypocrite in office?
Posted by: MJBrutus | January 18, 2010, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Paid for by who? I got news for the Autoworkers Union, this is enough of you people sticking your hand in my pocket and helping yourself to my money. Your not going to have to worry about health insurance anymore. Americans will buy Toyota’s. You won’t have a job and we won’t have to pay your bills. You want to be a part of the 8% union employees. go right ahead but it’s gonna get real cold. We have had enough of the mob. Boycott anything and everything that has a union. Enough of this theft.
Posted by: grannie | January 18, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Its always dead even when acorn is in the cemetary collecting votes.
Posted by: earl | January 18, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
This election is about reigning in a government out of control. Obama still invokes the word “change.” It is a euphemism for socialism, people. People aren’t stupid. They realize that, in America, freedom reigns supreme. A government that can give you everything can also take everything.
Posted by: Angela | January 18, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Man, what an Empty Suit this president is! He is just a nasty little man. He’s a local street politician (neighborhood organizer, local activist), nothing more. I’d take 8 more years of George Bush in a heartbeat (you know, the guy who gave freedom to 50 million middle easterners), rather than another week of obama. What a HUGE mistake you poeple made who voted this turnip into the Presidency!
Posted by: ian t | January 18, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Lhw539, the only quote that had even a hint of hatefulness was the one mentioning the “axis of evil”. Other than that you have proven my point. Please discredit the other quotes you listed with hard facts.
Kathy | Jan 18, 2010 9:53:30 AM
“President Obama has fallen from grace with the masses because he has truly participated in blatant bribery and corrupt activities.”
“It will be a tight race but only because the corrupt democrat machine is buying the votes with SEIU and ACORN.”
One is an impeachable crime another a felony. Where is YOUR evidence? I think you ran over a kid and killed them last month. Please discredit that fact with hard facts or admit you are a murderer. Making the above baseless accusations is slander, or in biblical terms false witness. And you seem to fundamentally misunderstand our nation – it is not up to an innocent man to defend himself from lies and slander. It is up to the accuser to provide some shred of “hard facts” to support their accusation.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
According to Obama, Brown parks his pickup on Wall Street.
The cheering from the crowd showed their ignorance or either they just don’t care.
Obama’s cabinet is filled with WallStreet insiders and his biggest campaign donors came fom the likes of Goldman Sachs.
His lies are catching up with him as many Americans discover the truth.
No thanks to the MSM.
Posted by: hank | January 18, 2010, 10:00 am 10:00 am
jhw
The only thing that has really been public has been the public outrage.
Exempting states from responsiblity, exempting parts of Bill Nelson’s district from responsibility, exempting unions and making those of us who work pay for all of them is crap.
If this bill is so great, why do we have to pay for them?
Obama said that everyone would have some skin in the game.
Except for Democrats, labor and Obama pals.
This bill is toxic and deserves to die.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Obama and the Democrats did the one thing they couldn’t afford to do – they showed all the idiot hipsters and collectivist college dumb-dumbs that it’s “uncool” now to be a democrat. It was the only thing they had. No matter how much the notion of “cool” is withouth substance, it was really the only thing the party had going for it – that being a democrat was “young, hip, cool” – you know – all Vote or Die MTV crap. Surprisingly, taking personal responsibility for ones self and ones life is the new cool. Who a-”thunk” that admitting to being a fan of The Daily Show is among the lamest things a person could do.
Posted by: JDW | January 18, 2010, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Obama wants to know when Biden will stop saying stupid things.
Here are few brilliant comments from Obama at the rally yesterday:
“Martha’s opponent would vote against those taxes.
Martha would vote against those tax cuts”.
That’s Obama without a script to read.
Posted by: kandy | January 18, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Is that spin that this is the most televised democrat practise squad in history, but you will never get to see the main event, what crap.
Posted by: earl | January 18, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Teddy’s son calling her Marcia.
Almost as funny as Martha saying Curt Schilling is a Yankee fan.
The Democrats are really putting on a good show!
Posted by: kyle | January 18, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Funny. If the healthcare “reform” legislation is so wonderful and popular, why didn’t Obama the Great mention this “historic” legislation yesterday in highly liberal Boston?
There was no reference to Scott Brown being the key vote against passage of the health care reform bill as a reason to vote for Coakley. Not even in Boston.
Hmmmm…..I wonder why.
In fact, this was an obvious sign that the White House knows exactly how overwhelmingly unpopular the legislation is. Democrats have grossly underestimated the public’s hatred of this “reform” bill and the contining wrath of trying to ram it down our throats. More Americans than ever now know the bill has nothing to do with “reform” and everything to do with a sloppy play by Democrats to grab power and control over lives on the way to Obama’s nanny state utopia that he will preside over as boy king.
No president has fallen so far so fast than Obama, who enters his second year with the lowest Gallop approval ratings of any president in history. But then again, no president has displayed so much corruption, arrogance, dishonestly, narcissism and incompetence.
Obama is poison.
Posted by: Derrick | January 18, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
In a perfect world, we would not witness what is happening in MA. Elected officials would represent what is best for their respective states and the nation. Elected officials would hold true to the oath of office they swore allegence to. Elected officials would bear true faith and allegence to both the Federal and State constitutions. But…..alas this is not a perfect world, it is incombent on the electors to hold to the fire the feet of the elected. When good people fail to do good, evil will prevail…we have seen what desperation generates, lies, distortion, even physical violence to anyone who dare question an elected official, it is a short journey from shoveing a reporter into a railing, to tanks in a public square to quash freedom.
Posted by: AZsmitty | January 18, 2010, 10:08 am 10:08 am
Only 33% of “likely voters” (although that term means something different in every poll) like the Senate bill as it stands. Almost 60% favor it if you add a public sector run insurance option.
And yet, if Brown wins, the press will inevitably crow that Obama and the Democratic Party are being “too liberal”.
Such is the disconnect between our corporate press and reality.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 18, 2010, 10:08 am 10:08 am
Coakley’s ads are ironic.
She tries to paint Brown as a pal of Wall St bankers.
It was she who went to DC to vacuum up money from lobbyists.
It was Obama who wrote bankers’ bonuses into the stimulus package. It’s Obama who has hidden until 2018 what happened when Geithner funneled money into AIG.
It’s because of Obama that bankers are reveling in their bonuses and record profits today.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:08 am 10:08 am
“Name one bill, ever, that has had this much open debate.”
Wow. Can I have whatever you’re smoking?
BTW, Obama promised 8 times to have open debates on CSPAN…
Posted by: Fen | January 18, 2010, 10:08 am 10:08 am
The only thing that has really been public has been the public outrage.
drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 10:01:01 AM
This is a lie. There have been hundreds of hours of debate, and anyone who cares can relate stories of exactly what Olympia Snow was insisting on, the statements Lieberman made that killed lowering the Medicare age, what Nebraska got, how the unions pushed back against the tax increases on them, a half dozen CBO estimates, the Republican positions that got illegals frozen out from using the exchanges even if they paid out of their own pocket, etc. Somehow, this has all been hammered out in secret, yet everyone knows about every last little detail?
Again, the DOCUMENTED FACTS this has been the most transparent process ever with more direct public involvement than any other bill in a century. It is not perfect, but it is BETTER THAN ANY MAJOR BILL, EVER.
That’s the reality of the spinning Republicans are doing (aided by the media who loves a nice controversy for headlines). This has been the most publicly and transparently debated bill in the history of our nation.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 10:09 am 10:09 am
State Senator Brown voted with the GOP 96% of the time.
What could be worse than that?
U.S.Senator Obama voted with Pelosi and Reid 96% of the time. Pelosi and Reid.
Wonder if Brown voted present 129 times like Obama.
Posted by: mick | January 18, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am
“Name one bill, ever, that has had this much open debate.”
Wow. Can I have whatever you’re smoking?
BTW, Obama promised 8 times to have open debates on CSPAN…
Fen | Jan 18, 2010 10:08:40 AM
Name one bill, ever, that has had this much open debate. How hard is that? There have been hundreds of hours of televised debate from the Senate, House, and their committees on C-Span. The fact you seem ignorant of this historic point demonstrates just how much you really care.
Again, NAME ONE BILL IN THE HISTORY OF OUR NATION THAT HAS HAD THIS MUCH OPEN DEBATE.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am
The Cambridge Police back Scott Brown.
Not acting stupid anymore.
What say you Obama?
Posted by: fran | January 18, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am
I think I need to plan a trip to Massachusetts this year, just to thank everyone I see there for saving us from even more financial ruin. Who would have thought they’d be our last, great hope?
Posted by: kelli | January 18, 2010, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 10:09:43 AM
Uh huh.
Go ahead. Search “Health care secret talks” and see what happens.
It was all public until it got meaningful. We were supposed to see who got what and why.
We didn’t.
As soon as Obama made his back room deals with big pharma the charade was over.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Democrat incompetence once again on display.
BTW – Rep. Patrick Kennedy didn’t even know Coakley’s name, referencing her as “Marcia” several times yesterday afternoon.
Liberalism does not work. Never has, never will.
Posted by: tjp612 | January 18, 2010, 10:15 am 10:15 am
U.S.Senator Obama voted with Pelosi and Reid 96% of the time. Pelosi and Reid.
mick | Jan 18, 2010 10:11:15 AM
And the Republican party voted to support George W Bush a similar percentage (and set records for the number of filibuster three years in a row protecting Bush’s Republican policies – no Democratic minority has ever, EVER, filibustered as much as the Republicans).
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana got 300 million for the state to gain her vote. Ben Nelson of Nebraska got a free medical plan for his state at the expense of all others. Union members won’t have to pay the 40% tax on their cadillac health care policies while others will. These are facts on record, look them up. In my opinion, these are outright bribes.
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 10:16 am 10:16 am
jhw
This election is a referendum on Obama. There’s no doubt about it. All that remains is to see whether the Massachusetts machine overturns this election as they did in Minnesota. Let’s see if dead people vote. Let’s see if there are more votes than there are voters. Let’s see if judges keep the polls open until Democrats bus in enough illegals from surrounding states to overthrow the result.
It will be interesting.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:17 am 10:17 am
“The anger there is real,” a White House official told me, and it’s replicated all over the country.
So the White House KNOWS their Marxist health care plan — and most of their agenda, for that matter — is unpopular. And what’s their answer? “#### the people — they’re getting it whether they want it or not.”
And some people wonder why Democrats are on the verge of losing “Ted Kennedy’s seat.”
Posted by: Barack Stalin | January 18, 2010, 10:18 am 10:18 am
I see panic on the left. Lots of panic. even if brown were to lose, this is worth it. Obama, the dems, had a golden opportunity to live up to what they promised in the 08 general E. They lied, and despite the mainstream medias attempt to ignore the lies, the truth is getting out there. The radical agenda, the attacks on personal liberty, the spending/failed stimulus, hypocracy, the Pelosi/Reid Serial corruption, its all getting to the people now. The blinders are coming off, and even Jake tapper is shifting away from his pro Obama love affair of last year. The press is seeing it in the WH conferences with Gibbs. This COuntry has made a grave mistake, helped much in part by the mainstream liberal media, who have now been caught in bed with the left. The freeloaders dont/wont care, but most Americans arent free loaders. Many fell for and voted for “HOPE” and the only change they got was bigger govt and even more blatant corruption and irresponsible spending. You did it to yourselves AMerica, lead by the very Free press that is nothing more than political enablers controlling the message through yur airwaves. I only hope it can be stopped in time.
Posted by: middleman | January 18, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Uh huh.
Go ahead. Search “Health care secret talks” and see what happens.
drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 10:13:25 AM
By your inability to name one single bill that has had more open, public debate in the history of our nation I’ll accept that you are agreeing that this has been the most transparent process ever with more direct public involvement than any other bill in a century. It is not perfect, but it is BETTER THAN ANY MAJOR BILL, EVER.
And out this secret process, how do we know about the unions cutting a deal? How do we know about the limits of Snowe’s compromise? How do we know about Nebraska’s deal and where it came from? Or Lieberman’s line in the sand?
This hasn’t been built in the backrooms, the ugly reality of how bills are made has been displayed like never before. That is because of the unprecedented openness of this process – even if you really don’t care, reporters do and have been making excellent use of the hundreds of hours of open debate, public committee meetings, released markups, and CBO analysis.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am
drjohn: If this health care bill is “better than any major bill, ever” as you claim, that what are you Dems worried about?
Pass the Senate version of the health care reform bill before Brown takes office, and take your case to the people. Campaign on it in the upcoming Congressional elections.
And when you do, please be sure to explain how the taxes to pay for the health care reform bill go into effect immediately, while most of the benefits claimed for the bill don’t go into effect till 2013. (That gimmick was necessary to prevent the bill from exploding the Federal deficit even further.)
See if you can sell that one to the voters.
Good luck!
Posted by: sinz54 | January 18, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
“And the Republican party voted to support George W Bush a similar percentage (and set records for the number of filibuster three years in a row protecting Bush’s Republican policies – no Democratic minority has ever, EVER, filibustered as much as the Republicans.”
You say that like it’s a bad thing. The economy really went south only after Democrats took over. and what have they done over the last year? Completely destroyed the economy. More than tripled the deficit. Obama will double the national debt in no time. real unemployment is at record levels.
When it comes to wrecking the economy you just can’t top Democrats.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Posted by: sinz54 | Jan 18, 2010 10:21:32 AM
You are mistaking me for the liberal jhw.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 10:20:46 AM
We were promised that we would watch it happen, not simply learn the result.
Clearly you are confused between the two.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:24 am 10:24 am
The Democrats know the country hates their healthcare proposal, but they have pushed so hard for so long. They don’t know how to pull back even when it is obvious that passing this legislation will be political suicide. Having Scott Brown win in Massachusetts would give them the perfect excuse to back down while saving face. It is a blessing in disguise.
Posted by: melrose42 | January 18, 2010, 10:24 am 10:24 am
This election is a referendum on Obama. There’s no doubt about it. All that remains is to see whether the Massachusetts machine overturns this election as they did in Minnesota.
drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 10:17:18 AM
Classic. If Coakley loses, it’s a scathing rebuke of Obama. If Coakley wins, then the Democrats cheated.
Meanwhile, back in reality, Obama’s approval rating in MA is over 57% – as judged by questions on the exact same poll showing Coakley behind. This isn’t a referendum on Obama, a loss OR win doesn’t mean anything to him. Just like NY-23 (where the Democrat won after the final polls taken showed over a 5 point Republican win by Hoffman), it’s an outlier election.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 10:25 am 10:25 am
It is very clear that the Outrage is very much on the side of those who oppose the president and Congress’s policies, as measured in the polls by the “strongly oppose” and the “strongly approve” numbers. This race is really a death knell for the Dems…looks like nationwide.
Posted by: Don G | January 18, 2010, 10:27 am 10:27 am
We were promised that we would watch it happen, not simply learn the result.
Clearly you are confused between the two.
drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 10:24:11 AM
Were you out of the country the last year? How can you handle the mental discord of having spent the last year arguing dozens of minutia about healthcare reform while claiming you didn’t see it happen.
This has been the most transparent process ever with more direct public involvement than any other bill in a century. It is not perfect, but it is BETTER THAN ANY MAJOR BILL, EVER.
I’ll take “best ever” even while continuing to push for “perfect” in the future.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
“Meanwhile, back in reality, Obama’s approval rating in MA is over 57% – as judged by questions on the exact same poll showing Coakley behind.”
If only non-workers are polled, I suppose.
That love for Obama really paid off swell yesterday. He almost filled half a hall.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
The economy really went south only after Democrats took over.
drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 10:21:36 AM
Riiigggghhhhttt… It was all the Democrats fault. Did they screw up the invasion of Iraq too? Just wondering how far back you’re trying to re-write documented history.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
If Brown wins, not only will this incredibly unpopular bill be stopped, it will also give Democrats the excuse they most love to use…that the evil Republicans succeeded in keeping health care from the poor when in fact, many on the Left also don’t want it and may well show it with their votes. Hypocrites
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 10:28:27 AM
If the best ever means those of us who work and aren’t Obama pals pay for all of you who don’t contribute, no thanks.
If this was so good all those garbage exemptions wouldn’t be necessary. Union leaders got an exemption because all the union biggies have those Cadillac plans. Those of us who pay for ALL of our plans get screwed.
That’s the best we could ever expect from Democrats.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 10:29:48 AM
You could have paid for the entire Iraq war with one Barack Obama failure stimulus package. You could go a long way to pay for all of our wars with the money Obama has given to Wall St bankers alone.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:34 am 10:34 am
The individual who accuses another of failing to understand “statistics” because the 5% lead for Brown is within the [confidence interval] perhaps does not understand statistics, himself.
The 5% advantage is near the 95%boundary, therefore the probability that Brown is ahead is perhaps ONLY 90%-94%(PPP didn’t reveal the standard deviation, or I would calculate exactly what it is).
Coupled with the fact that most other recent polls have shown Brown ahead, it is whistling past the graveyard to think that Brown was not ahead as of Sunday (Nate Silver’s analysis is valid only if one assumes that changes in the polls reflect random error and random biases and that there is no real upward mobility to Brown’s scores).
We will see whether Obama succeeded in dragging “Marcia” (as Joe Kennedy called her) across the finish line. I doubt it, and it will be too bad if he did. Ms Martha Coakley should not be serving the public in ANY fashion given her deplorable record of politically selective prosecution and her role in keeping a clearly innocent man in jail because it served her interests at the time.
In liberal mythology, it is conservatives who behave as she has. Time for soul searching, I think. Liberals have become as intoxicated and corrupted by their serendipitous spike in power as Tom Delay at his worst. I hope that after the counter-revolution at hand the Republicans can remember the democrats’ hard object lessons in the dangers of hubris and greed and not emulate them for the next cycle.
Posted by: seg | January 18, 2010, 10:34 am 10:34 am
If Brown wins, not only will this incredibly unpopular bill be stopped, it will also give Democrats the excuse they most love to use…that the evil Republicans succeeded in keeping health care from the poor when in fact, many on the Left also don’t want it and may well show it with their votes. Hypocrites
Posted by: Kathy | Jan 18, 2010 10:30:59 AM
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You have to wonder about how dead this bill would really be. Scott Brown supported health insurance mandates in MA, the single most unpopular part of the Senate bill.
The ultimate irony is that the GOP individually supports the most unpopular parts of the bill, yet the necessity of punishing the Democrats for bowing to their right wing is going to benefit the GOP.
If only the media would report this story in a straight-forward manner, we might learn something from the experience.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 18, 2010, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Why does abc news have the comments posted in reverse order. Readers have to scroll to the bottom and read up from there.
Posted by: Kazooskibum | January 18, 2010, 10:38 am 10:38 am
I attended the Scott Brown Rally in Worcester, MA yesterday. It was electric! With foresight the campaign organizers rented space at the local hotel and simulcast the event in case too many supporters showed up. Guess what? The overflow crowd was several thousand strong.
It’s estimated that the Brown Rally outdrew the Obama-Coakley Rally by 2-to-1. Independents, Democrats, Republicans, doctors, nurses, teachers, union members, small business owners and many, many others were there. It’s not about the left or the right. It’s about following the will of the people and the People of the United States do not want wealth transfer programs disguised as healthcare or climate change.
The “butcher’s bill” at the November election will be high. Win or lose tomorrow, Scott Brown and the citizens of the U.S. have already won. This race highlights what the “silent majority” is willing to do to take back control of the government. away from “entitled politicians.” The silent majority is awake, it’s organized and it’s willing to spend as much time and money as needed to end this Administration’s assault on the democratic process.
Entitled politicians watch closely, unless the Obama machine can find Al Franken-like absentee ballots, Scott Brown wins going away.
Posted by: StillEmployedTaxpayer | January 18, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Wow, dems can’t even stay in power for 1 year before people start voting them out—in some of the most blue states in the country. Just wow. I bet dems in more moderate states are getting real worried. I mean, you know if dems are getting defeated in places like New Jersey and now possibly Massachusetts, the dem sitting out in Nevada or gal in California has got to be real nervous. Indiana, Louisianna, Nebraska, Florida….the possibilities are endless for the dems agony of defeat.
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 18, 2010, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Obama can’t survive in an environment of independence and individualism.
The small time community organizer does not know how to operate outside the one party corruption den in Chicago. The poor are in worse shape now than they have ever been thanks to the democrat party’s success of keeping them down, uneducated, and angry. Ditto every other urban dem conclave ruled by these slum lords.
Posted by: Reilly | January 18, 2010, 10:43 am 10:43 am
This is the most corrupt administration in American history. I may never vote for another Democrat.
Posted by: 1carolinaunc | January 18, 2010, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Even if Coakley squeaks this out, the democrats need to take notice that their politics of division and hatred are not welcome here.
Obama is easily the most divisive President in the past 40 years, and the democrats fuel that division.
It is far past the time for them to change their ways. It’s time for them to go away.
Posted by: Jason | January 18, 2010, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Isn’t the BHO a seriously sick piece of work. How he can stand up in front of God and everyone and pretend he give a hoot about what THE PEOPLE want is a real joke. He has made it crystal clear by his lack of transparency, closed door meetings, bribes and corruption that he doesn’t give a damn what THE PEOPLE want or about our CONSTITUTION!
VOTE FOR BROWN
Posted by: SGT RED | January 18, 2010, 10:45 am 10:45 am
“There are always folks who think that the best way to solve these problems are to demonize others”
Well no #### Mr. Obama. that is exactly how you got elected. using the Saul Alinsky playbook of “demonizing others”.
Posted by: Texstin | January 18, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am
The Democratic Party of Obama ,Reid and Pelosi is so toxic and corrupt that it does not deserve to continue.It should ( and will) be beaten into non-existences so that a Party without psychopathic leadership can emerge from the ashes to make our two party system more functional.
Posted by: Renee | January 18, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am
“Wow, dems can’t even stay in power for 1 year before people start voting them out—in some of the most blue states in the country. ”
This has been a painful lesson but it shows the true substance of Democrats.
We’re in a recession. What do they do? Spend, spend, spend.
On anything useful? No.
They spent it mainly on Wall St bankers.
Unemployment is high. What do they do?
Try to ram Crap and Trade down our throats.
What have they done to help create jobs?
Nothing.
What have they done for investment?
Nothing. Their efforts have made loans for investment all but impossible, no matter how worthy one is.
This is why there is no recovery.
Are CDO’s and MBS’s still selling?
Why did Obama not limit losses at Fannie and Freddie?
So he could use F&F as policy arms to dole out more money to those who won’t pay it back.
A tax on banks?
BEAUTIFUL! It’s not like they won’t pay that on to customers!
It’s hard to imagine a more destructive plan for this country.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am
The ultimate irony is that the GOP individually supports the most unpopular parts of the bill, yet the necessity of punishing the Democrats for bowing to their right wing is going to benefit the GOP.
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Ah, nope. You need to stop getting your information from places like media matters, TPM and other delusional lib blogs.
Obama & Co. struck a sweet deal for big pharma and the evil insurance companies by handing them billions of dollars. You voted for it, you own it. Yes, maybe you will learn something from this–Obama lies.
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 18, 2010, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Obama’s comments have to be the most Stupid, as in Stupid with a capital “S,” comments I have ever heard. This is what happens when the educational system has been dumbed down over the past quarter century. You can say crap like this and stand a good chance of getting away with it. I wonder if the Democrats are now getting it after ignorning the collective voices of the American people for the past 8-9 months? I will be writing my Senators and my Congressman and asking this question of them.
Posted by: Richard - Iowa | January 18, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am
MSNBC host encouraging voter fraud in Mass to prevent republician win
Here comes the media friends in ACORN, SEIU thugs, and the new Black panther party
Democrats prevent investigation of Documents and Eric Holder in his coddling of the New Black Panther Party
Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | January 18, 2010, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Obama & Co. struck a sweet deal for big pharma
jennifert7 | Jan 18, 2010 10:52:29 AM
And Republicans didn’t with the HUGE drugs benefit giveaway, where they put into law the government wasn’t allowed to bargain but had to pay list price?
The sweet deal Obama struck was that pharma would only have to PAY a limited amount, it was not a giveaway.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 11:02 am 11:02 am
@jennifert7: “Obama & Co. struck a sweet deal for big pharma and the evil insurance companies by handing them billions of dollars.”
This much is true. Yet, what they get out of this bill pales in comparison to the Medicare Part D debacle.
It is exactly as I predicted months ago: the Republicans will attempt to gain power again in the mid-term elections by campaigning against the health reform bill from the left.
Hypocrisy? Plenty to go around.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 18, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am
If the best ever means those of us who work and aren’t Obama pals pay for all of you who don’t contribute, no thanks.
drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 10:32:40 AM
No, I quite clearly defined what I was talking about. This has been the most transparent process ever with more direct public involvement than any other bill in a century. It is not perfect, but it is BETTER THAN ANY MAJOR BILL, EVER.
If you wanted to debate something else, perhaps you shouldn’t have started with the absurd and discredited Republican Big Lie that the health care bill has been ‘rushed’ through ‘in secret’.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Let’s put this in perspective:
Imagine two ordinary Americans that are almost identical and have so called “Cadillac” health plans. Imagine the significant difference between these two Americans is one is a union member and one is not. The American who is not a union member will pay a tax on his health plan while the other will not. That is DISCRIMINATION! Is that the change the American people voted for? Obama and the Congress lied about the transparency and bipartisanship. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Imagine an ordinary American who has a chronic health condition like heart disease, kidney disease, diabetes, or one of many other chronic conditions. This person seeks out an employer who offers a “Cadillac” health plan to cover his substantial health care expenses. Now this Congress and Obama will tax that person for seeking out a plan that best meets his healthcare needs. Of course he only pays the tax if he is NOT a union member. Is that the change the American people voted for? Obama and the Congress lied about the transparency and bipartisanship. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Obama and Congress are not doing the work of the American People and they are not listening to the will of the people. They will use any means no matter how dirty to ram this bill into law. The American people need to come together and VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Posted by: AngryMobVoter | January 18, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am
The irony lies in the now established fact that this is now a left leaning country, except in the minds of the corporate media village.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 18, 2010, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Obama is easily the most divisive President in the past 40 years, and the democrats fuel that division.
Jason | Jan 18, 2010 10:43:59 AM
The Southern Strategy. Karl Rove’s ‘get out the base’ strategy. The documented FACT that no Democratic minority in the Senate has EVER filibustered as much as Republicans in 2007. Or 2008. Or 2009. The Republican’s dominance on hate/talk radio.
Obama may be the most divisive, but those who are looking at documented reality have little question as to which side made him so.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
AngryMobVoter, you are quite mistaken. If the tax didn’t exist for union members, it wouldn;t exist for non-union workers. Nobody proposed a tax based on non-union membership, you are just being silly.
The “teacher tax” in fact is levied against the cost of the plans, and who it effects are the groups and individuals most likely to be older and female. I has nothing to do with union membership.
Someone tell me how taxing teachers health benefits is going to bring in revenue? Oh yeah, by having us pay more in property taxes.
We’d be better off putting everyone on the government payroll on a government plan, instead of cycling our tax monies through private profit insurance companies.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 18, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am
The Democrats have made a major tactical error since President Obama’s election. That error was in misreading voter dissatisfaction with the arrogance and incompetence of George Bush’s administration as a sweeping mandate for a strong turn to the political left. America was, and remains, a center/right country. The Democrats have significantly over-reached based on their mistaken interpretation of the 2008 election results and now they are going to have to absorb a significant voter backlash in the 2010 elections, starting today in Massachusetts. They would have been much better advised to scale down their initial objectives instead of letting people like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi run hog-wild.
Posted by: Dan R. | January 18, 2010, 11:12 am 11:12 am
“Have you watched the 200 hours+ of debate on the health care bill currently available at C-Span?” Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 9:45:52 AM
“This has been the most transparent process ever with more direct public involvement than any other bill in a century.” Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 11:04:43 AM
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You can watch the “talking” about the “game” for hours on end, days…weeks…months on end, but if you don’t televise the “game” itself, then that is NOT transparency.
Posted by: James Danley | January 18, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Obama and the liberals in Congress based the entire campaign on lies. The Chicago machine is at work.
Will the Massachusetts votes be handled ACORN-style?
We need to get Obama and the liberal Dems in Congress out of office as soon as possible. IF THIS HEALTH CARE BILL IS SO GOOD WHY DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY SPECIAL DEALS IN ORDER TO GET THE VOTES. THIS HAS TO BE THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY.
Posted by: PROUDAMERICAN | January 18, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Flashoverride, taxes are the government’s only source of revenue.
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 11:17 am 11:17 am
“This has been the most transparent process ever with more direct public involvement than any other bill in a century.” Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 11:04:43 AM
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You can watch the “talking” about the “game” for hours on end, days…weeks…months on end, but if you don’t televise the “game” itself, then that is NOT transparency.
James Danley | Jan 18, 2010 11:13:50 AM
The House and Senate floor debates where where the representatives of the people debated, amended (yes, the bills were changed) and voted on the bills. They were televised. The committee meetings were where the bills were written; many of them were televised too and extensive markups, drafts, and proposals were made publicly available.
Can you name ANY bill, ever, that has received this level of public debate and comment in the history of our nation? Or is an ill fitting metaphor your best ‘argument’?
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am
As a Massachusetts resident I am witnessing a resurgence and energy in MA voters the likes of which I have never seen. Kennedy didn’t have the seat-He had a throne and Ma residents are overthrowing the monarchy once and for all!
Posted by: mary | January 18, 2010, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Best line of the election from a woman who is a lifelong democrat in ICU awaiting her absentee ballot her son promised to bring .
She told him she was voting for Scott brown….he asked why?
She said,” Democrats used to be for the working man-
Now they are for the man who doesn’t work!”
Posted by: mary | January 18, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Oh, I disagree that the Croaker’s campaign has been “imperfect.” It’s been perfect in it’s God-awfulness. She deserves the ############ she’s about to get for her smug sense of “I’m the Democrat, that’s all you need to know” entitlement alone. It seems a majority of the good people of Massachusetts, God bless ‘em, are at long last mad as hell and aren’t gonna take it anymore. Beware, Democrats; we in California are pretty damned ticked off as well.
Posted by: SukieTawdry | January 18, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am
This health care bill is a travesty for the elderly. As an rn and wife of a Pulmonary doc, primarily serving medicare patients, we have already received medicare notices regarding cuts in reimbursement. We have never turned away medicare patients, but we will have to limit the numbers or not accept new patients. Our tax dollars will be paying for massage therapy, organic gardening and hair plugs instead of care for the elderly and cancer care. It will cause every patients to suffer. Vote for Scott Brown and stop this bill.
Posted by: concernedrn | January 18, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Affirmative Action Pres at work, The LEAST experienced President ever and the only thing he has to say is, ITS NOT MY FAULT! Also, Look, Brown drives a truck(Government Motors made??)
Even TOTUS plans to vote for Brown. Ha Ha
Posted by: morphy | January 18, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am
The handwriting is on the wall for the Democrats, but apparently they don’t konw how to read.
Posted by: Rick Rouse | January 18, 2010, 11:28 am 11:28 am
And he went after one of Brown’s signature shticks, his old pickup truck, used to convey Everyman appeal. “You’ve got to look under the hood,” President Obama said. “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.”
That is THE MOST ironic comment Obama has made to date. I’m sure 99.9% of the American public would agree that Obama is the truck that got purchased without the voters looking under the hood. He (Obama) might look good on the outside, but if you look under the hood to see what’s running the truck, you’ll find a mess of indecisive, far left, union loving spark plugs. Not to mention the engine being run by Pelosi and Reid.
And, by the way, his comment that “everybody can buy a truck” really shows how out of touch he is… in this economy, can “everybody” REALLY buy a truck?? Oh, wait, I forgot he was in a room filled with elitist liberals. Maybe in THAT room, everybody can buy a truck.
Posted by: Shoe | January 18, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am
“The irony lies in the now established fact that this is now a left leaning country, except in the minds of the corporate media village.”
Posted by: Flash Override | Jan 18, 2010 11:06:05 AM
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The only “established fact” is that Liberals were elected into office in 2006 and 2008. But when you take into account that so many Conservatives and right-leaning Independents didn’t vote in 2006 and 2008 you miss the overall picture.
In a Gallup Poll released in August 2009, it showed that 40% of the respondents (160,000 Americans were interviewed) were either Conservative (31%) or Very Conservative (9%). Only 21% said they were Liberal (16%) or Very Liberal (5%).
Posted by: James Danley | January 18, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am
“The irony lies in the now established fact that this is now a left leaning country, except in the minds of the corporate media village.”
Posted by: Flash Override | Jan 18, 2010 11:06:05 AM
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You’re kidding, right?
Posted by: SukieTawdry | January 18, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
“Can you name ANY bill, ever, that has received this level of public debate and comment in the history of our nation?”
Your argument is a sham – This whole process has been sleazy and it is the exact opposite of what many Obama voters thought they would be getting when they cast their votes.
Can you name ANY bill of this magnitude, ever, that has received no bipartisan support? Social Security? Nope. Medicare? Nope.
You are grasping at straws (or are just being dishonest). Reminiscent of Speaker Pelosi…
Posted by: tjp612 | January 18, 2010, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Thanks, Jake… for carefully analyzing Obama’s words. This guy is always parsing and nuancing in order to manipulate others. Now when Obama gets called out on breaking campaign promises, he actually refers to his own parsing/nuancing to explain that he did not really promise anything. Also getting really tired of his “axis of evil” blame game, i.e. Bush, any GOP, and big evil business (insurance companies, pharma, Wall Street, etc.). The latter is most disgusting within the context of “reform” because Obama has made so many sweetheart deals with them in his private (not transparent) meeting. Remember how the Dems howled about the same thing regarding the Bush/Cheney energy bill? Notably, Obama voted for that energy bill after he got his own sweetheart deal for corn ethanol in Illinois. (Hillary and McCain voted against it.)
Posted by: Toonary | January 18, 2010, 11:36 am 11:36 am
jhw539,
You need to give up on the tired excuses
for your parties failed policies. If this bill was so good, your guys would have and could have passed it.
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 18, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am
There will always be people that won’t admit they were wrong about anything no matter how many facts they’re given. Let’s hope that their egos aren’t too massive when they actually vote.
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 11:39 am 11:39 am
This is the most corrupt administration in American history. I may never vote for another Democrat……1carolinaunc
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Absolutely, I agree with you.
Scott Brown is right that this is not the Kennedy seat neither Democratic one, but it’s the people’s seat,”
I’ve prayed that “Dear Lord, please bless and grace on Scott Brown for American future, not for Rep. or Dem.”.
I do believe that most voters in MA will elect American Future. GO BROWN IN 2010.
Posted by: Obama, go away !!!!!! | January 18, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
“Search for “DrJohn” through these comments and you will read much of what is inspiring real Change right now, 2010. He is exactly right!”
Yeah, search right back to this one:
“Should a person be able to have a car accident one day and get insurance the next day and have the accident covered by the new policy?
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 9:51:20 AM”
-where drjohn demonstrates an incredible lack of understanding of the fundamental differences between health insurance and car insurance not genuinely possible by anybody actually involved in the medical profession.
Posted by: Skip | January 18, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Canary in a coal mine is an excellent description of Coakley and her campaign. Scott Brown has shown what a guy in a pick up truck, which Obama Mocked in his stump speech on Sunday, can do against a predetermined democrat heir….
Posted by: cooperscopy | January 18, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
I can’t believe the dems are willing to give up a senate seat in the bluest of states over this crap piece of legislation that NO ONE wants. How foolish.
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 18, 2010, 11:43 am 11:43 am
This is the “bluest” of states, having gone for McGovern when Nixon took the other 49.
Posted by: John Q Public | January 18, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am
If “anybody can buy a truck”, then why did we need cash for clunkers? When obama speaks, he doesn’t even remember his own arguments and policies. And if he is the de facto CEO of GM, even in GM’s worst days, the CEO would Never denigrate its products or the people who buy them.
Posted by: fwi | January 18, 2010, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip. If you buy a car but choose not to buy auto insurance, then total the car should you have the right to buy insurance after the fact and have that car replaced by the company? If you choose not to buy health insurance and you have a heart attack should you be able to buy health insurance after the fact and have the entire bill picked up by the insurance company? Would you own and run a business, any business under those circumstances?
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am
From the Boston Globe, who endorsed Martha “Marcia” Coakley. LOL
—Martha Coakley made a jaw-dropping declaration earlier this week at the only live televised debate in Boston that she has deigned to do. She said, and I quote, “I’ve traveled the state and met tremendous people.’’
If she did, it was under the cover of darkness, with an assumed name.
Because if she had really traveled the state, if she had taken the time to meet voters, Coakley wouldn’t be in the position she finds herself in now, heading into the final weekend of this special election campaign in a perilously close race against a GOP state legislator nobody had heard of a mere six months ago.
Back in December, Coakley beat her closest opponent by 19 points in a primary in which she got stronger by the day. She strolled into the general election with high name recognition, strong favorability ratings, and as the Democratic candidate in a state that hasn’t elected a Republican to the Senate since 1972. It looked as if it would be impossible to lose.
So what did she do? Apparently, she’s tried to accomplish the impossible.—
Posted by: Win It for Teddy! | January 18, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I’ve never set foot in Mass, but I donated money to the Scott Brown campaign.
Posted by: Ida Roescher | January 18, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am
If you buy a car but choose not to buy auto insurance, then total the car should you have the right to buy insurance after the fact and have that car replaced by the company?
Kathy | Jan 18, 2010 11:50:03 AM
The REALITY is that the health reform bill requires everyone to have insurance, if they don’t they have to pay a fee that goes to offset coverage costs. This is the mandate part of the bill and this is EXACTLY why this unpopular element is a fundamental part of the legislation. Democrats putting good law making. No denials for pre-existing conditions can ONLY work since Democrats are taking the bumper-sticker attacks that dishonestly only mention the mandate.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Can Obama accomplish anything on his own merit?
He has to bribe his own party to pass ObamaCare.
Bribe unions to keep voting for him.
Backdoor deals with Phrma.
He pays ACORN to get out the vote–they bribe people with money and cigarettes.
Did the students that attended his rally yesterday get a sweetheart deal too.
Posted by: ollie | January 18, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Obama has destroyed his own party.
Will MA follow him off the cliff too.
Harry Reid…you and Barbara Boxer are next!
These people are so stupid they will jeopardize their own careers by ignoring constituents and following Obama.
Posted by: kyle | January 18, 2010, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
ABORN/SEIU already warming up the buses.
Time to look for anything with a pulse and drag them off the street to vote.
Posted by: larry | January 18, 2010, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Great article, Jake. The article’s title says it all.
Posted by: Mark Henry | January 18, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Win or lose–we should plan on the Socialist deadenders who frequent this site to regurgitate dark tales of evil rightwing groups using off-duty police officers to scare minority voters away from the polls. You know, the crap stories they’ve tried to sell in New Jersey. I’m sure the NY Times and Media Matters have already written the stories. Nobody is allowed to insist that people who show up to cast a ballot are actually legal voters. That’s apparently racist.
Posted by: Election Czar | January 18, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
President Obama said. “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.”
Jake, you forgot to add that Brown drives a GM truck with nearly 200,000 miles on it. Now that the US owns GM you would think Obama would want to promote that rather than demean it…
Obama said. “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.” REALLY?
Scott Browns response,“ Mr. President, unfortunately in this economy, not everybody can buy a truck,” “My goal is to change that by cutting spending, lowering taxes and letting people keep more of their own money.”
Posted by: steve | January 18, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
President Obama said. “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.”
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Yep and American bought your scandal ridden, corrupt truck….and now YOU are about to be traded in for a more reliable, honest model…
Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | January 18, 2010, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Martha “Marcia” Coakley to the Martin Luther King Breakfast in Boston:
Dr. King had a dream……that I would be elected Senator.
Their reaction was less than enthusiastic.
Posted by: What Would Tip O'Neill Do? | January 18, 2010, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
I am from Massachusetts and finally have hope after so many years of despair over the lousy, lying politicians the liberals keep voting in. I know of a lot of people who are democrats who are voting for Scott Brown. I truly believe that he is going to win. My heart soars and my belief in God that all good things will come.
Posted by: Lynne | January 18, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Scott Brown for President
Posted by: Seaveyor | January 18, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
“Would you own and run a business, any business under those circumstances?”
That’s exactly why there is a conflict of interest in for profit only health insurance. It’s not profitable to insure those who are already sick or become sick, but these people need to try and go on living. If your car gets wrecked you to take it to the junkyard and your insurance company buys you a new one. If your body gets wrecked you have to try to convince your insurance company to keep dumping money into it indefinitely no matter what.
Posted by: Skip | January 18, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
President Obama said. “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.”
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One of the most foolish things the man has ever said, on so many levels. He did not help her cause.
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 18, 2010, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
President Obama said. “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.”
So, Champ, why did we need Cash for Clunkers??
Posted by: Obamatopia | January 18, 2010, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
By the assumptions and statements given
by the Dems, its all about style
and presentation and not substance.
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia ( given that
name by Kennedy) could not even do that
correctly. If Mass. wants a totally
clueless arrogant leader sent to
Washington on their behalf, than it
sounds like Coakley will be a good
choice. God knows she would be one
of many with those attributes. Go
Scott Brown…and Mass. the country
is counting on you.
Posted by: wis134 | January 18, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
SEIU members seen carrying Scott Brown signs in Mass ?? I think something is happening here…
Posted by: ralph | January 18, 2010, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Forget it Jake.. It’s Chinatown.
Posted by: Bill | January 18, 2010, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
“I understand. Because progress is slow, and no matter how much progress we make, it can’t come fast enough for the people who need help right now, today.”
Talk about missing the point. Nearly a million people show up in DC to protest the series of policies and bills intended to turn the USA into a social democrat hellhole and Zero thinks we are mad because he DIDN’T get these bills passed? A Congress filled with Dem crooks and an administration filled with perverts, communists, loons, and anti-semites and he thinks we believe we need MORE Franks/Dodd’s/Murtha’s/Wrangel’s/Holder’s/etc./etc.?
Zero bows and scrapes all over the world–except of course to one of the few countries we truly have a special relationship with–and he thinks we are mad because he DIDN’T sufficiently grovel?
Nearly 20% of the workforce is out of work or underemployed and Zero has parties every three days to celebrate his awesomeness? What does he think? That we would like to see MORE parties while the private sector tanks and the public unions party like there is all the money and time in the world?
This guy, Zero, and his party are so out of touch they should be committed to an asylum. Maybe once we throw them out of office onto their delusional butts they can do just that.
Posted by: MikeT | January 18, 2010, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
-President Obama said. “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.”
So, Champ, why did we need Cash for Clunkers??-
And he’s supposed to care about Co2 and AGW!
Posted by: Gaia | January 18, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
“You know what, we can take advantage of this crisis” Isn’t this typical! Rahm Emmanuel is famously quoted saying “Never let a crisis go to waste” and now Obama is calling it a Republican strategy. I predict that within 10 years Brown will be a presidential candidate. He’s got the looks and personality and we all know now, if we didn’t before, that it’s looks and personality that appeal to so many in the electorate.
Posted by: Len Hamm | January 18, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
“If your body gets wrecked you have to try to convince your insurance company to keep dumping money into it indefinitely no matter what.”
Like your car, your body is your problem.
Posted by: V6 | January 18, 2010, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Nearly a million people show up in DC to protest the series of policies and bills intended to turn the USA into a social democrat hellhole and Zero thinks we are mad because he DIDN’T get these bills passed?
MikeT | Jan 18, 2010 12:28:31 PM
What an absurd lie. No such massive demonstration has occurred. Just another Big Lie.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha. No Obama will be the canary. Even with a poor campaign, a Democrat should carry a double digit lead in Massachusetts. It’s the Obama effect that’s dragging everything down. A heavy anchor drags down all boats…
Posted by: fraggenboots | January 18, 2010, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
“It’s not profitable to insure those who are already sick or become sick, but these people need to try and go on living.”
Posted by: Skip | Jan 18, 2010 12:16:58 PM
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Now see, you hit it on the nail. Why completely destroy the private sector’s healthcare coverage; take full control of 1/6 of the economy; and mandate healthcare coverage for everyone with this overhaul of the American healthcare system–especially when 85% of the American people are satisfied with their current healthcare plans?
Instead, why not have the federal government create and subsidize a private healthcare insurance company that provides only catastrophic healthcare coverage? Let the American people choose their own healthcare plans OR choose not to have healthcare coverage and pay cash until they come down with a disease or condition that will cost a lot of money, and THEN buy into the federal government’s plan?
Posted by: James Danley | January 18, 2010, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Today, P.Kennedy called Coakley, Marsha. Like Obama, they don’t know her as a brainless ‘canary’ but another vote for BHO’s socialist pacifist agenda. The voters in Mass. have good healthcare and Obamacare will actually add taxes and expenses to each Mass. citizen. Time to move on from the Kennedy era. Time to go with the recent WAPO poll that showed 58% of Americans want smaller govt. not larger federal expansion. Tapper is right on. Surprisingly since all of the MSM is in the tank for the leftist Dems.
Posted by: Glenn Koons | January 18, 2010, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Why does it not surprise me that Scott Brown looks like a buttoned up corporate Ken doll?
I hope Martha Coakley wins.
Fingers crossed.
(Please Massachusetts; don’t send us backwards!)
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Why does it not surprise me that Scott Brown looks like a buttoned up corporate Ken doll?
Right. Let’s also ask Biden and Reid their thoughts as well.
Posted by: Byrd | January 18, 2010, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
jhw539 What is your opinion of the “cadillac tax” that will not have to be paid by union workers, but will have to be paid by workers not covered by unions? I would really like someone to “justify why this is right”.I don’t see how anyone possibly can. It’s another bribe.
Posted by: Ballerina | January 18, 2010, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
58% of Americans want smaller govt. not larger federal expansion.
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Voting Republicans into national office won’t make that happen. Won’t shrink the deficit either. And it certainly won’t reform health insurance and health care delivery or the financial industry or fix the economy or create jobs. The historical data– the track record– speaks for itself for those not duped by lip service.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
“The historical data– the track record– speaks for itself…”
You mean like the economic boom of the 1990s and the budget surpluses–while the Republicans had control of both Houses of Congress during President Clinton’s last six years in office?
Posted by: James Danley | January 18, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Let’s also ask Biden and Reid their thoughts as well.
Posted by: Byrd | Jan 18, 2010 12:51:47 PM
Romney would be a better fit– they have the same cardboard cutout (or is it plastic?) look going on.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
jhw539 What is your opinion of the “cadillac tax” that will not have to be paid by union workers, but will have to be paid by workers not covered by unions? I would really like someone to “justify why this is right”.I don’t see how anyone possibly can. It’s another bribe
Move to Nebraska!
Posted by: nelson | January 18, 2010, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Posted by: James Danley | Jan 18, 2010 12:46:00 PM
While confessing I’m too lazy to argue specifics I must say you guys are always brimming with good ideas until it’s time to try and actually legislate any of them.
Posted by: Skip | January 18, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Soctt Brown is a good man who relies on simple logic, not political lies to make us believe that the earth is flat:
WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD THIS HEALTH CARE BILL. THE GOVERNMENT’S BUDGET TRICKS, KICKBACKS, SPECIAL UNION DEALS AND OUTRIGHT BRIBES WILL NOT HIDE THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE HAVE A BALLOONING DEFICIT AND WE CANNOT SPEND ANOTHER TRILLION DOLLARS ON A BILL THAT EVEN DEMOCRATS AGREE IS FLAWED.
SCOTT BROWN HAS MY VOTE.
Posted by: Tim V | January 18, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
obama = every word a LIE
by now we can see this
Posted by: sad | January 18, 2010, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
I hope Martha Coakley wins.
Fingers crossed.
(Please Massachusetts; don’t send us backwards!)
Posted by: There is no Planet B
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No other post in here shows the desperation and panic of the left wing. And this coming from a state that is 3-1 democrats..A stunning blow to Obamas policies and a glaring endorsment to the polls that show this country headed in the wrong direction.
Anything less a 15% margin of victory for the Democrat candidate..Is a stunning loss for Obama and his policies
Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | January 18, 2010, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
You mean like the economic boom of the 1990s…
I mean the historical data on job creation, middle class income, pushing for health care reform, size of government, deficit (didn’t Reagan triple it and build up the military branch of government significantly– oops, yes he did)– you know, the actual numbers and facts versus the party line spin which many tea party astroturfers and loyal elephants seem to have memorized and rigidly stick to despite reality.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
There is a political tsunami rolling across this country. First New Jersey and Virginia went for the Republican candidates against all conventional wisdom. Now the state of Massachusetts? This is the Democratic Parties rock, this is their highest ground, and it is going to the Republican?
More importantly the electorate is going for the most conservative candidates. This Country is fed up with the Progressives and is rejecting them at every turn.
So the tsunami is rolling now and is at full strength but the Democrats are still choosing to ignore it. November is coming and it is going to be a political slaughter. What are the Democrats going to say in the aftermath? That all their candidates were poor performers? Or that the Republicans and Tea Party candidates “fooled the American People”? It is true that the Country was fooled, but it was fooled last year by Barrack Obama.
Posted by: edlarson | January 18, 2010, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
“So the tsunami is rolling now”
I think you must be watching the film backwards edlarson; that’s the tsunami that just washed all the Republicans out of Washington the last two elections naturally settling back.
Posted by: Skip | January 18, 2010, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Forget about the GOP and Brown. Martha will prevail. The only credible poll, the Boston Globe Poll, shows Martha ahead with 15%. All other GOP sponsored polls are trying to spin the election in their favor. It won’t happen. Scott Brown will be crushed tomorrow. Regardless of the outcome, the heathcare bill will pass. It is cynical for the GOP who doubled our national debt in 8 years to be talking about fiscal responsibility. The tax cuts, the wars, the medicare drug bill did not benefit the middle class. The heathcare bill is for the middle class and it will pass.
Posted by: SMC | January 18, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
-WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD THIS HEALTH CARE BILL-
YES WE CAN! By borrowing more money from China, taxing banks and health plans (but not unions or those that live in Neb.) and other stuff…Done.
Posted by: Barry | January 18, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Anything less a 15% margin of victory for the Democrat candidate..Is a stunning loss for Obama and his policies
Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | Jan 18, 2010 1:05:40 PM
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As long as we win this one and get health care passed, I don’t give a care what the margin is and how you spin it. It IS very important, and I don’t want to go backwards– and if I sound desperate its because I remember perfectly normal-seeming people voting for Reagan and W. and thinking they were doing something positive. Americans, in general, have an anti-elitist thing going on, and fall for a certain type of propaganda over and over again. It concerns me as I’m not in any way given to overestimating the political astuteness or intelligence of the average Joe American, or the reality of lots of young, vibrant, thinking people (in equal parts to the middle aged and senior citizens) showing up to vote.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Here’s a guy who just crafted a health bill with union giveaways, insurance company handouts, and taxpayer-financed special interest checks for Nebraska and Louisiana, and he has the nerve to tell us he’s trying to change how DC does business?
Get real, Barack. Stop insulting our intelligence by saying one thing and then doing another. Rahm’s got you doing business Chicago thug style, and some of us are looking at the actual facts, not the manufactured image of you Axelrod is trying to create.
Posted by: David | January 18, 2010, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
So, union workers who buy “Cadillac plans” for health coverage are exempt from the Obama healthcare tax, whereas non-represented workers have to pay it??
John Edwards was right….there are TWO Americas.
Posted by: Health Czar | January 18, 2010, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
“Why completely destroy the private sector’s healthcare coverage;”
But look how well Fannie and Freddie have worked out!
Posted by: Bonus 6 | January 18, 2010, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Democrats went out of their to alienate their base in 2009. A lot of independents supported Obama because he said he would end the insiders deals and special interest politics in Washington. But last year we saw he used those tactics full force. There was no change. There is no Obama working for the guy in the middle. He lets his senate indulge every corrupt move they could come up with. We are disgusted by a government that only works for the rich and connected. That is why Democrats are in trouble in Massachusetts. And they don’t get why they are losing. A health care bill that helps insurance companies or one that helps the middle class. He promised change but things look sickeningly the same. Its the corruption and broken promises stupid.
Posted by: cahnaz | January 18, 2010, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
don’t want to go backwards– and if I sound desperate its because I remember perfectly normal-seeming people voting for Reagan and W. and thinking they were doing something positive.
Posted by: There is no Planet B
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LMAO, these “seemingly normal people”
were rejecting the Jimmy Carter era of malise..high interest rates, massive inflation, weaking of the US Military, Terrorist coddling. (Iran Hostages), and we are now looking at the same performance by Barry Obama as we saw in Jimmy Carter
Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | January 18, 2010, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
What an absurd lie. No such massive demonstration has occurred. Just another Big Lie.
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 12:40:16 PM
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Stay in denial like the rest of your party. It only helps the cause. There were that many people there. Massachusetts is just the first of many states where democrats are going to be defeated.
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 18, 2010, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
You guys debating Democrats and Republicans sound like sheep for both parties. As someone else pointed out, we had a great run in the 90s with a Democrat President, and GOP Congress.
It was like the deficit got smaller as Clinton’s hair got whiter. I hope to watch the same thing happen to Barack’s hair by voting for him again, while making him contend with a GOP Congress.
Posted by: David | January 18, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Stay in denial like the rest of your party. It only helps the cause. There were that many people there.
jennifert7 | Jan 18, 2010 1:30:49 PM
Cite the date when one million people showed up in Washington DC. If you’re talking about the tea party march in September, the REAL number was about 60,000-70,000 (estimated by the DC fire department and supported by video and photos from the day). A respectable turn out that has been turned into a joke by the exageration of the far right.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Every poll I see shows that america does not want THIS health care plan. Why arent the politicians voting what the people that voted them in want. Isnt that why we elect them? Start over we need something but this is absolutely a terrible bill. Dont go to a secret room, keep everyone in congress involved. Dont hide. Let everyone in on it.
Posted by: ted | January 18, 2010, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
“Terrorist coddling. (Iran Hostages)”
I hope you’re referring to Reagan when you say this because he was the one coddling the terrorists behind Carter’s back, and then went on to sell them arms. It’s kinda funny how the hostages were released the moment Reagan took office…like he had been glad-handing some hostage takers.
Posted by: Skip | January 18, 2010, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | Jan 18, 2010 1:29:10 PM
As I said before, spin it however you want. Carter was ineffective as a president, but just because Reagan was the anti-Carter and you applaud that, that doesn’t mean he was highly effective on a wide range of issues or put into practice the ideology his worshippers still cling to rigidly. (hmmm… how many of those pillars actually got put into play again?) We are dealing with the results of that ideology and the narrow-minded folks who cling to it despite changing circumstances (and despite the fact that Reagan didn’t cling to it as rigidly– by any stretch of the imagination, lol).
Anyway, I hope SMC is right and Coakley wins. I agree that “It is cynical for the GOP who doubled our national debt in 8 years to be talking about fiscal responsibility. The tax cuts, the wars, the medicare drug bill did not benefit the middle class. The heathcare bill is for the middle class”, and I hope it will pass and the propagandists won’t win again and continue their attempts at destroying our beautiful country, and the middle class.
Keep your head, Massachusetts!
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
There are always folks who think that the best way to solve these problems are to demonize others. And, unfortunately, we’re seeing some of that politics in Massachusetts today.
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And from Obama, demonizing the banks.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 18, 2010, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Democrats are generally incompetent in governing.
Liberalism does not work. Never has, never will.
Posted by: tjp612 | January 18, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
As someone who very proudly has NEVER voted for a Democratic presidential candidate (been voting since 1984). Reagan was a huge success!! Conservative ideas concerning the economy work EVERY time…the problem was the Republicans in Congress forgot how to be Republicans and began to spend like Democrats. I, too, was horrified at the mounting deficits under George W., but his spending rampage PALES in comparison to what Obama-Reid-Peloisi have done in LESS THAN ONE YEAR!! We are looking at $1 trillion deficits for as far as the eye can see BEFORE there is any health care. China is LECTURING US on fiscal responsibility! There is actually talk (Albeit rather idly at this point) of nations abandoning the dollar as their security currencybecause how we are headed for an economic shipwreck! I am all for Scott Brown–jsut to bring some sanity to US Congress and get the legislatures from drinking the same grape kool-aid that seems to be making everyone insane up there and denying the reality that NO ONE wants this health care bill!!
Posted by: Chicago GUy | January 18, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
“I agree that “It is cynical for the GOP who doubled our national debt in 8 years to be talking about fiscal responsibility.”
And Barry beat them!
Posted by: Winner | January 18, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Jennifer7 is correct in the number of people who showed up on 9/12. I was there. There were wall-to-wall people in DC that day. You Obama supporters need to pull your head out of the sand and understand that the people attending the 9/12 rally were not a few far-out right leaning loons, but rather everday people who are concerned aboutthe direction of the country. Fact of the matter is BHO is desperate to pass a health care bill even if it is full of bribes and sweetheart deals for special interests such as unions. Give me a good bipartisan health care bill that addresses tort reform, prohibits denial of people with preexisting conditions, and portability. Also, insurance companies should not be allowed to raise their rates beyond rate of inflation. I could do in one page what the clown CVongress is taking over 2000 pages to write1
Posted by: ZMAN in PA | January 18, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Jh, what you really should do is bite the bullet and actually watch Fox, listen to talk radio etc., even if it’s terribly hard to do. Then look up-google-those things that you believe the right is lying about in order to disprove them. If you’re only getting your info from the MSM, you’re getting only a small part of what’s going on. I’m not being sarcastic in any way here.
Posted by: Kathy | January 18, 2010, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Jennifer7 is correct in the number of people who showed up on 9/12. I was there. There were wall-to-wall people in DC that day.
ZMAN in PA | Jan 18, 2010 1:55:33 PM
So you actually believe there were 1 million people there? Why? The Leader of Freedomworks Matt Kibbe claimed that ABC had reported 1 to 1.5 million people – they reported no such thing. He lied. And you still believe it.
We know what a million people looks like in DC. It wasn’t a million people on 9/12.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
To Barry and edlarson:
Blah, blah, blah. Enough of your tiresome baseless arguments about how bad “the last 8 years” have hurt us because of the Republicans and how Reagan tripled the debt. It has been precisely the hypocritical Democrats (AND Republicans forgetting their “fiscal conservatism”) that has gotten us where we now find ourselves (Reagan couldn’t spend a dime without the Democratic congress authorization, ed!) The people of Mass. are smart enough to see through the blatant hypocrisy of the Democrats and the nasty lying and desperation tactics they use to ram their liberal agenda down the country’s collective throats. They are going to use their heads and use their power in this special election to stop the abuse of Obama and the Chicago thugocracy, as well as Pelosi and Reid. Don’t think for a second if the roles were reversed, a conservative state wouldn’t do likewise.
Posted by: Dr. Bob | January 18, 2010, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
jhw539,
You’re falling for the lie your liberal blogs tell you about the number of people in DC on 9/12. The DC fire department doesn’t estimate crowd size–call them up and ask them if they do. They don’t. I was there. I have pics and video. These were not hundreds of thousands of “far right wing” people. These were hundreds of thousands of every day Americans trying to stop the direction your party is forcing down our throats.
You stay in denial though and watch your party pay the price at the polls.
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 18, 2010, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Betya he thinks they who are in Massachusetts are a bunch of less educated, God-praying, gun-huggers. What do they know our Smartest Clueless Leader’s real meaning when he sells ‘em things he knew nothing about.
Mr. jpt, don’t spoil the fun to point out the obvious. If you have time, find out how we may get the $1000 our Greatest Smartest Clueless Leader promised if we vote for him. Have you received the checks you deserve from him yet?
Posted by: huh | January 18, 2010, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
“If you’re talking about the tea party march in September, the REAL number was about 60,000-70,000 (estimated by the DC fire department and supported by video and photos from the day). A respectable turn out that has been turned into a joke by the exageration of the far right.”
-Ted
I was there Ted. The 75,000 figure was a fire department estimate of the number filling a single park prior to the march to the capitol. There were easily between 0.5 and 1 million:
Posted by: Freedom Fan | January 18, 2010, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Actually Dan R. does not know what he is talking about. If two similar people have “Cadillac” health plans. The plan is not taxed if the person is a union member but it is if the person does not belong to a union. That is clear discrimination and shows to what lengths Obama and Congress will go to buy off another they have to in order to pass a bill the American people do not want. This provision hurts ordinary Americans in order to buy union support.
Let’s put this in perspective:
Imagine two ordinary Americans that are almost identical and have so called “Cadillac” health plans. Imagine the significant difference between these two Americans is one is a union member and one is not. The American who is not a union member will pay a tax on his health plan while the other will not. That is DISCRIMINATION! Is that the change the American people voted for? Obama and the Congress lied about the transparency and bipartisanship. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Imagine an ordinary American who has a chronic health condition like heart disease, kidney disease, diabetes, or one of many other chronic conditions. This person seeks out an employer who offers a “Cadillac” health plan to cover his substantial health care expenses. Now this Congress and Obama will tax that person for seeking out a plan that best meets his healthcare needs. Of course he only pays the tax if he is NOT a union member. Is that the change the American people voted for? Obama and the Congress lied about the transparency and bipartisanship. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Obama and Congress are not doing the work of the American People and they are not listening to the will of the people. They will use any means no matter how dirty to ram this bill into law. The American people need to come together and VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Posted by: AngryMobVoter | January 18, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Obama: “There are always folks who think that the best way to solve these problems are to demonize others.”
Obama then goes on to attack the banking, insurance, and pharmaceutical industries, as well as the previous administration.
Oh yeah, we’re dumb and didn’t catch the blatant hypocrisy. What’s Tapper’s excuse?
Posted by: Roy | January 18, 2010, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Sorry it is Flash Override who does not know what he is talking about. If two similar people have “Cadillac” health plans. The plan is not taxed if the person is a union member but it is if the person does not belong to a union. That is clear discrimination and shows to what lengths Obama and Congress will go to buy off another they have to in order to pass a bill the American people do not want. This provision hurts ordinary Americans in order to buy union support.
Let’s put this in perspective:
Imagine two ordinary Americans that are almost identical and have so called “Cadillac” health plans. Imagine the significant difference between these two Americans is one is a union member and one is not. The American who is not a union member will pay a tax on his health plan while the other will not. That is DISCRIMINATION! Is that the change the American people voted for? Obama and the Congress lied about the transparency and bipartisanship. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Imagine an ordinary American who has a chronic health condition like heart disease, kidney disease, diabetes, or one of many other chronic conditions. This person seeks out an employer who offers a “Cadillac” health plan to cover his substantial health care expenses. Now this Congress and Obama will tax that person for seeking out a plan that best meets his healthcare needs. Of course he only pays the tax if he is NOT a union member. Is that the change the American people voted for? Obama and the Congress lied about the transparency and bipartisanship. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Obama and Congress are not doing the work of the American People and they are not listening to the will of the people. They will use any means no matter how dirty to ram this bill into law. The American people need to come together and VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Posted by: AngryMobVoter | January 18, 2010, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Liberalism does not work. Never has, never will.
Posted by: tjp612 | Jan 18, 2010 1:47:20 PM
Funny, I’ve always thought the liberalism set forth in the Declaration of Independence was part of our exceptionalism. But maybe that’s just me and other liberals and progressives. Rather live under communism, fascism or tyranny? I thought that was what all you “patriots” were fighting against.
Lol.
The rhetoric of conservatives is so darned silly, it cracks me up. Did you ever see the video clip of the tea party folks who fell for a practical joke and were shouting that all descendants of European immigrants should be shipped home?
Dorks. Problem is there are a lot of ‘em, and they may just vote for this corporate cardboard cut out Ken doll in Massachusetts. Very sad.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Obama: “Forget the truck. Everybody can buy a truck.”
In this economy? Just who is he trying to kid, anyway?
Posted by: TParty4USA | January 18, 2010, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Coakley just released a last minute as featuring Obama. You can watch it here:
Posted by: Matt | January 18, 2010, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
As someone who very proudly has NEVER voted for a Democratic presidential candidate (been voting since 1984). Reagan was a huge success!! Conservative ideas concerning the economy work EVERY time…
Well, I’m sure you would be proud of that if you think conservatives ideas work every time without evidence to back up your claim. LOL. I don’t think you can name a deflationary recession and explain in detail how conservative principles fixed it. I also don’t think you can even tell us how Reagan fixed the economy without vast government spending and debt. But if you want to try, go for it. LOL.
Massachusetts, please vote for Coakley. We don’t need another Ken doll paying lip service to conservative ideas and putting forth NO innovative ideas for putting us on a good path. The party of no gets us nowhere.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
=== “There are always folks who think that the best way to solve these problems are to demonize others.”===
Especially those who drive pickup trucks. Pickup truck drivers of America, UNITE!. Setting aside my silliness, I’ve never seen a president personally attack so many people. Well, take that back. Bush attacked his own base over illegal immigrants. Which everyone seems to forget when demonizing Bush from the left.
Posted by: Axey | January 18, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
bring back the republicans, they started the destruction of america in 2001, they deserve a chance to finish off the country for good, and divide it up among their corporate buddies even more than it is now, that way all the ‘real’ americans and tea part loons will wake up once they realize they were just the ultimate tools
Posted by: jacko | January 18, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
“Funny, I’ve always thought the liberalism set forth in the Declaration of Independence was part of our exceptionalism.”
Yes, it was…until willfully distorted by those touting themselves as “progressives” and “liberals”…oh, the irony…
“Dorks. Problem is there are a lot of ‘em, and they may just vote for this corporate cardboard cut out Ken doll in Massachusetts. Very sad.”
Sorry your liberal utopia dashed by your incompetent Community-Organizer-in-Chief. Obama has destroyed the Democratic party. Delicious.
Posted by: tjp612 | January 18, 2010, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Liberalism does not work. Never has, never will.
Posted by: tjp612 | Jan 18, 2010 1:47:20 PM
Funny, I’ve always thought the liberalism set forth in the Declaration of Independence was part of our exceptionalism. But maybe that’s just me and other liberals and progressives. Rather live under communism, fascism or tyranny? I thought that was what all you “patriots” were fighting against.
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Let me help you out here pal; it all depends on how you define “liberalism”. Today’s liberals bear absolutely NO relationship to liberalism as defined in the constitution, or as defined in the dictionary. Today’s liberals are an ugly conglomeration of:
1. Divide and conquer race baiters; divide the electorate into ethnic camps, convince them they’re “victims”, and demonize white males.
2. Class warfare neo-marxists declaring capitalism is not only eeeevil, but that it doesn’t work. Their solution? European style socialism with massive taxes, total govt power, and corresponding high unemployment with negligable GDP growth.
3. Big govt trolls who care nothing about govt inefficiency, fraud, or waste. Big govt is the Left’s PRIMARY goal, in and of itself.
Posted by: JohnR22 | January 18, 2010, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Will someone please explain how Martha Coakley, supposedly born and raised entirely in western Massachusetts, speaks with an OBVIOUS French-Canadian tinged accent? There is absolutely no comment about this in the media, but the combination of her h-droppings and francophone liaisons and rhythms indicate that she comes from either Quebec or a francophone Acadian (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick) background. I don’t care if this senatorial candidate is a naturalized American. The Governor of Michigan was born in Canada. I do object to being lied to, and this is certainly some very strange freaking story.
Posted by: dialectician | January 18, 2010, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
demonize white males.
Posted by: JohnR22
hey pal, what was that about ‘ race baiters’..
as the Pres said: ‘they take pride in their own ignorance’
were you even in america from 2001 – 2008
Posted by: fdghj@dfsgh.com | January 18, 2010, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Watching the relative levels of enthusiasm at the Brown and Obama rallies yesterday gave me a warm, blissful glow of satisfaction.
To what do you suppose the yokels attribute the difference?
Ha ha ha.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | January 18, 2010, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Posted by: dialectician
you will have to travel to Kenya with Orly Taitz to find your answer
Posted by: On the road again | January 18, 2010, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Let me help you out here pal;
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No thanks. I tend to be allergic to posts that lambast others for doing exactly what the commenter is doing in their post. Bait, divide and conquer, ugly, class warfare, trolls– yes, indeed. Projection is on the lunch menu, it seems.
I’m out.
One last plea–, vote for Coakley, please, or the country will be run by folks who placate those who think like the majority of commenters on here. Read the comments and really think about that. Yowza, right?
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 18, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
“divide the electorate into ethnic camps, convince them they’re “victims”, and demonize white males”
So the real victims are the white males huh? It’s always funny to hear right-wing boot-licking corporate peons profess their lame definitions of liberals while crying the blues.
Posted by: Skip | January 18, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Will someone please explain how Martha Coakley, supposedly born and raised entirely in western Massachusetts, speaks with an OBVIOUS French-Canadian tinged accent? … I don’t care if this senatorial candidate is a naturalized American. The Governor of Michigan was born in Canada. I do object to being lied to, and this is certainly some very strange freaking story.
dialectician | Jan 18, 2010 3:20:20 PM
Best laugh of the day. Now the birthers are trying to pretend that Coakley was born in Quebec.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Obama is a complete failure as President, complete failure.
He says this….was that there were going to be some who stood on the sidelines, who were protectors of the big banks, and protectors of the big insurance companies, protectors of the big drug companies….and he is the protector of BIG UNIONS, car manufacturers and Freddie and Fannie. He is so incredible. He must think that we are so stupid that we believe his crap.
Beck is right – mobilize anger and then you have a cause.
And Obama has mobilized anger, but it’s against him, not the banks, not the insurance companies, etc. This country is angry because he is so arrogant, lies all day long and is so desperate to fundamentally change this country.
Hopefully, God willing, he will be stopped tomorrow!
Posted by: semby | January 18, 2010, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Hmm. Maybe both parties are in the pay of Wall Street and therefor out to destroy the country.
Posted by: Thingumbob | January 18, 2010, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
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Posted by: betty11 | January 18, 2010, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
You bet, when Coakley called Curt Shilling a Yankee this weekend on the radio show. Yep a canary who knows nothing about the people in Massachusetts
Posted by: betty11 | January 18, 2010, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
How ironic that,if Scott Brown wins, he will replace the senate’s single greatest champion of health care legislation by running against it.
The country does not want ObamaCare. Virtually every piece of research in the past three months shows this. And Massachusetts does not want it any more than the rest of the country (possibly because it already has a version of universal health care and is dissatisfied with it, possibly because it just doesn’t want to pay twice for the same thing, or a combination of both).
It is likely that Martha Coakley will lose tomorrow. And if she should somehow win it will be by a hair.
If this can happen in bluer-than-bue Massachusetts, what does it tell Democrats in other,less secure states?
Posted by: Ken Berwitz | January 18, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Obama making fun of Brown for driving a truck, Coakley makes fun of him for shaking hands outside Fenway Park, in the cold.
Just like the other elitist snobs that put down Palin for not having an Ivy League Education.
How has that Ivy League education worked out for Obama? He can’t talk to people–he has to read and lecture from a script.
He is totally disconnected from average Americans.
Any pictures of Coakley getting handouts in DC from lobbyist and drug companies?
Posted by: kandy | January 18, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
I toldja so:
from Mark Tapscott:
“A new study of the nation’s voter registration records finds 3.3 million dead voters are still on the rolls – including an estimated 116,483 in Massachusetts – while another 12.9 million who are ineligible also remain.
The study was done by Aristotle International Inc., a Washington, D.C. technology company that specializes in election-related programming and database services for public officials and agencies.”
And by God I’ll bet all those dead people vote in Massachusetts tomorrow.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 3:28:37 PM
Did you know that Michelle Obama is a birther?
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Obama tries to tie Scott Brown to Wall Street while he has a cabinet full of Wall Street insiders.
But his supporters either don’t know or don’t care. Obama likes his supporters to be in the dark.
Posted by: kyle | January 18, 2010, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Ken,
The research you cite shows that what people want is a government insurance option, by a large margin.
Universal health insurance (mandated) like Brown favors. is not the same thing as universal health care. There is a huge difference.
This result can only happen in Mass. since it is because the progressives are punishing the Democratic Party for allowing Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson to hijack the health care bill.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 18, 2010, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Found by Bill Jacobson at Legal Insurrection:
Michelle Obama: “Barack saw his mother, who was very young and very single when she had him, and he saw her work hard to complete her education ….”
“very single when she had him….”
hmmmm
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
drjohn, please refer us to the research that shows having millions of dead people on the voting rolls has ever resulted in any significant numbers of dead people voting.
The fact is that people die. Their names do not immediately get removed.
Also, there is no problem with that.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 18, 2010, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
When Obama talks about demonizing others, he is actually talking from experience. He used it as a community organizer. That is why he can speak well of it.
Obama health care is idolatry. It is based on the wrong premised that good health can be bought. Good health is a gift from God. Money can only buy good doctors, state of the art medications and expensive hospitals but NEVER good health. In fact one can have very good health without spending any money on drugs and medicines. Good health is a by product of a HOLY spirit, and a HAPPY soul. Your spirit or your heart becomes HOLY when you acknowledged complete sovereignty of God over your life, i.e. when you TRUST God completely. You will know when your spirit is HOLY when you experience LOVE, JOY and PEACE in you. These make your soul HAPPY, allowing you to LOVE and FORGIVE. The result of all these is a HEALTHY body, GOOD HEALTH.
Obama care cannot buy love, joy and peace. Even if you have all the money in the world, there is no place you can go to to purchase love, joy and peace.
GET REAL. Trash Obama care and turn your life over to God. TRUST God to keep you in good health.
Posted by: man2u4evr | January 18, 2010, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Posted by: Flash Override | Jan 18, 2010 3:57:50 PM
Minnesota was one marvelous example. 177 precincts generated more votes than voters. Liberal judges do not want to disenfranchise dead voters.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Martha Coakley: A Democratic Canary in a Coalmine?
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We can certainly HOPE!
Posted by: Jen | January 18, 2010, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
flash override:
Some research (not all) shows that there is sentiment for competition between a government and private plan. But it is pretty clear that people are skeptical. Here’s part of the reason why:
The administration is telling us that there will be 30 – 47 million more insureds (depending on who is doing the talking), comprised disproportionately of people who couldn’t afford health care (and won’t pay now) along with high risk people the private companies wouldn’t insure (who obviously will cost a lot more than normal-risk people) — but this will not affect the quality of care (as if the additional doctors needed for tens of millions of new patients will magically appear) and that it will cost less (which is an obvious contradiction in terms).
And the people spinning this fantasy are the same people who told us the stimulus package would cap unemployment at 8% (it is now 10%) and that it has created or saved 2 million jobs this year (we’ve had a job loss of almost 4 million since the stimulus package was implemented).
It’s hard not to conclude that health care is tanking in the polls because people just plain don’t believe what the Obama administration says.
And they have a point.
Posted by: Ken Berwitz | January 18, 2010, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Whether Coakley wins or loses it won’t teach Obama anything.
All he cares about is his legacy.
Pass HC at all costs.
The people don’t want it, the Dems will lose their careers in November.
Backdoor deals and bribes, higher taxes.
Obama, Pelosi, and Reid don’t care.
Posted by: ollie | January 18, 2010, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
I am sick and tired of Libs and their revisionist history…Throughout Bush’s two terms we were told by the media that the economy was tanking and that things were worse than they had been in 40 years….Yet…
in 2006 when the dems won congress the DOW was around 14,000 and unemployment was at 4.5%
When BHO took office the DOW was at 8,000 and unemployment was at 7.5%
Now the DOW has recovered a bit but unemployment is over 10% and going toget worse
Dems completely in charge…
Hmmmmmmmm
Posted by: JB | January 18, 2010, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
I hope a win in MA will be the beginning of the end of Obama and his plan to “change” America.
It’s our freedom vs the end of a power-grabbing gov’t takeover.
Liberty vs Tyranny
Posted by: millie | January 18, 2010, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
The derailment can’t come fast enough to put back the trillions squandered and more to come. Perhaps we can dig our way out sooner now. Got to stop the spending machine. The train is coming and it gonna get ugly. Bring it.
Posted by: Bill Gilkerson | January 18, 2010, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
When you have an incompetent President pushing an equally incompetent canidate on the people against their will… you end up in situations such as these.
I knew Obama was incompetent, but the DNC should have done their homework on selecting a proper canidate. If the person doesn’t want the job, or do what it takes to win… They shouldn’t be given the opportunity, pure and simple.
They got away with one bad canidate and
choose to replicate that strategy in Mass… thankfully the people are more intellegent than what they were projected as, and are demanding more from their representatives in Government… like Competency!!! It’s about TIME!
Posted by: jafo | January 18, 2010, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Our Greatest Smartest Clueless Leader is so smart. He promised you that he wants to get Your money back from the Big Banks!!!
Only problem is that he does not want you to remember it is He who gives Your money to the Big Banks in the first place.
He is so smart; he thinks you are just as stupidly clueless as he is smartly clueless.
Posted by: Duh | January 18, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Only problem is that he does not want you to remember it is He who gives Your money to the Big Banks in the first place.
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Don’t you mean the TARP funding designed and put forward by the Bush administration?
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Minnesota was one marvelous example. 177 precincts generated more votes than voters. Liberal judges do not want to disenfranchise dead voters.
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 4:06:49 PM
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We don’t believe you. Please post the quote, your source and the date.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
I knew Obama was incompetent, but the DNC should have done their homework on selecting a proper canidate.
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Obama is far from incompetent and he’s proved that throughout the year. If you want to talk incompetency, you talk the previous administration.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
When BHO took office the DOW was at 8,000 and unemployment was at 7.5%
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The DOW is up about 30% since Obama took office.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Minnesota was one marvelous example. 177 precincts generated more votes than voters. Liberal judges do not want to disenfranchise dead voters.”
Lets see the original erroneous claim was 25 precincts had more votes after a recount than on election night by WSJ not registered voters versus votes, now its 177 precincts with more votes than voters.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Earth to Planet B, Earth to Planet B: Tell it to the bartender, not to us.
Now try and have an intelligent day !
End Hoax & Chains
Posted by: Steamboat | January 18, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
“The study was done by Aristotle International Inc., a Washington, D.C. technology company”
Gee a company selling voting technology (databases, age & id verification) did a study that says you need their product.
Other studies by the company include
“Aristotle Supports Federal Trade Commission December Findings on Age Verification of Restricted Movie Trailers Online”
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
“When BHO took office the DOW was at 8,000 and unemployment was at 7.5%
Now the DOW has recovered a bit but unemployment is over 10% and going toget worse”
To a right winger, the Dow going from 8000 to 10500 is the Dow having “recovered a bit”.
What color is the sky in the right wing world?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Thank you Mr. Tapper for not drinking (and presenting some relevant points).
Posted by: Marty | January 18, 2010, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
“The DOW is up about 30% since Obama took office.”
Yes it is. Wall St is very happy with Obama. Bankers thank Obama every day for their bonuses paid for with stimulus dollars. Record profits for Goldman Sachs and real unemployment is over 17%.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
WSJ:
“In other cases, the board has been flagrantly inconsistent. Last month, Mr. Franken’s campaign charged that one Hennepin County (Minneapolis) precinct had “lost” 133 votes, since the hand recount showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night. Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge — officials may have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on Election Night — the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount. That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes.”
“Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means he’s benefited both ways from the board’s inconsistency.”
Soros’ Secretary of State project pays off handsomely.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Minnesota was one marvelous example. 177 precincts generated more votes than voters.
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 4:06:49 PM
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We don’t believe you. Please post the quote, your source and the date.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 18, 2010 5:20:42 PM
Is this the subject of contention?
“a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night” -WSJ, 1/5/09
Better to ask for forgiveness…
Posted by: For The Record | January 18, 2010, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Dead people, pets, Mickey Mouse, and some people will vote more than once, at the suggestion of Ed Schultz…The result? People will forever associate Democrats with cheating and fraud.
This election has already made DC and the country aware that Americans REJECT socialism. November will be fun.
Posted by: Jenny | January 18, 2010, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
“The DOW is up about 30% since Obama took office.”
Yes it is. Wall St is very happy with Obama.
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Every American who has a retirement fund or some of their savings invested is very happy with the results on the DOW since Obama took office.
And, SORRY . .. it’s not possible to fix the economic mess left at the end of the Bush administration with a snap of the fingers.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Mickey Kaus:
“Did ACORN chicanery elect Al Franken? That’s the import of this tactfully phrased Minneapolis Star Tribune column.** Franken won by 312 votes. ACORN claimed to have registered 48,000 43,000 ew Minnesota voters. If just 1% were ineligible but cast ballots, or had ballots cast for them illegally, and survived the recount process … that’s 480 430 votes, almost certainly overwhelmingly cast for Franken. … Maybe in pristine Minnesota even ACORN is clean. If so, the state would apparently be an outlier. …”
It will be amazing if there is ever another truly fair and free election in this country.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
“And, SORRY . .. it’s not possible to fix the economic mess left at the end of the Bush administration with a snap of the fingers.”
Tell me exactly what Bush did.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
“a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night” -WSJ, 1/5/09
Better to ask for forgiveness…
“Minnesota was one marvelous example. 177 precincts generated more votes than voters.”
Better to use reading comprehension.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Dead people, pets, Mickey Mouse, and some people will vote more than once, at the suggestion of Ed Schultz…The result? People will forever associate Democrats with cheating and fraud.
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You ought to read and research more carefully. If weird names were gathered for a voters’ list, they were not put on that list. They were properly screened by the process.
Your lies only diminish the ethical believability of the right wing and the Republicans.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
“Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night.”
Yes. Having more ballots than what was recorded on election night is not exactly crazy as ballots are lost, improperly voided etc.
What drjohn said
“Minnesota was one marvelous example. 177 precincts generated more votes than voters.”
You implied there were more votes than actual voters in 177 counties rather than 177 more ballots in 1 county than there were on election night.
So was it dishonesty or stupidity?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
“Every American who has a retirement fund or some of their savings invested is very happy with the results on the DOW since Obama took office.”
With unemployment at 17% it’s really great that Goldman Sachs is doing so well.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
While president Obama jokes about brown and his pickup”everybody can buy a pickup”,he forgets that under his leadership a whole lot of people can’t afford one!
Posted by: Dan Harrigan | January 18, 2010, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
So was it dishonesty or stupidity?
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Or both?
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
“Every American who has a retirement fund or some of their savings invested is very happy with the results on the DOW since Obama took office.”
With unemployment at 17% it’s really great that Goldman Sachs is doing so well.
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There are millions and millions of ‘regular’ Americans who have retirement funds or some of their savings invested. These people are very happy with what has happened with the 30% increase in the stock markets since Obama took office.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Have you seen how depressed Chris Matthews and David Schuster are?
Is that great or what?
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Dead people, pets, Mickey Mouse, and some people will vote more than once, at the suggestion of Ed Schultz…The result? People will forever associate Democrats with cheating and fraud.
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You ought to read and research more carefully. If weird names were gathered for a voters’ list, they were not put on that list. They were properly screened by the process.
Your lies only diminish the ethical believability of the right wing and the Republicans.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 18, 2010 6:21:35 PM
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I’m glad you realize the Democrats cheat in all elections including in caucuses. I hope you will be the one liberal that can be a good role model for other liberals and prevent this type of thing from happening tomorrow in MA and in the future. You may want to go to your local ACORN office and begin there. Go Tierra Go!
Posted by: Jenny | January 18, 2010, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
“So was it dishonesty or stupidity?
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Or both?”
Good point.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Tierra, please be a good role model for other Democrats and help them stop cheating in elections. You can be the one shining light that will stop them. Begin at your nearest ACORN office.
And might I add – check online for examples of the rampant cheating and fraud in the 2008 primaries against Hillary Clinton’s supporters.
Posted by: Jenny | January 18, 2010, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
With unemployment at 17% it’s really great that Goldman Sachs is doing so well.
Hmmmm again I am happy to see people use the U6 unemployment measure but I am curious as to why you never use it while quoting Bush;s employment figures?
Is it dishonesty or stupidity?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Hang on a few- Glenn Beck is calling me….
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Have you seen how depressed Chris Matthews and David Schuster are?
Is that great or what?
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Now you’re gloating over people being depressed? The right wing has no class. Try to set a standard not lower it.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
Ed Schultz said he’d cheat to get Choakley elected.
Lesson? Democrat always cheat and lie.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
“check online for examples of the rampant cheating and fraud in the 2008 primaries against Hillary Clinton’s supporter”
Except that didn’t happen.
The Democratic primary for all its acrimony went off fairly smoothly regardless of the myths prevailing among some die hard partisans.
DieBold did not win NH for Hillary.
And the caucuses in NV and TX had bad actors on both sides.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Did you see the video of Obama in the half empty hall saying that Choakley would voted against the tax cuts and how silent it was in response???
Hilarious!
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Did you see the video of Obama in the half empty hall saying that Choakley would voted against the tax cuts and how silent it was in response???
Hilarious!
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More lies to discredit the integrity of the right wing and the Republicans.
The gymnasium where Obama spoke was filled to capacity (1,500) and an additional 2,500 watched from the student center building. Additionally, many, many more were unfortunately turned away due to lack of room.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Ryan:
“To a right winger, the Dow going from 8000 to 10500 is the Dow having “recovered a bit”.
So in 2008 with $100,000 in the market, March 2009 saw that drop %50 to $50,000. The %30 percent gain since March brings the investment all the way back up to $65,000. Wow, I’m impressed.
TARP is what brought the market back up; Bush did that.
Obama’s stimulus wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, tripled the deficit and prevented the market from making a full recovery.
What color is the sky in the left wing world?
Posted by: Matt O | January 18, 2010, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I love this old Hannity talking point where Obama assumes responsibility for the crash in 2008 but gets zero credit for the stock market’s recovery in 2009.
So again what color is the sky in the right wingers world?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 18, 2010, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Since when is liberal politics encouraged by Wall St performance…LOL…Look, I understand that if I was so wrapped-up and guilt ridden for voting in lemon candidates I would be grasping at straws also…but the point is Wall St..DOES NOT FOLLOW Main Street…Wall St bets on the future value of business and like before, Wall St. predictions have been wrong…Look toward unemployment which is still higher than previous administration…
Posted by: Parallex View | January 18, 2010, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
The %30 percent gain since March brings the investment all the way back up to $65,000. Wow, I’m impressed.
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The DOW has gained over 50% since March. Hard to believe your post when you get the factual information wrong.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Since when is liberal politics encouraged by Wall St performance..
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Any economist worth their salt will tell you the market recovers first, jobs second.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Psst!
Coakley says Curt Schilling is a Yankee fan!
Pass it on!
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
“The gymnasium where Obama spoke was filled to capacity (1,500) and an additional 2,500 watched from the student center building. Additionally, many, many more were unfortunately turned away due to lack of room.”
Those were all SEIU workers bused in from many states away.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Psst!
Scott Brown drives a truck!
Pass it on!
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Did you see the video of Obama in the half empty hall saying that Choakley would voted against the tax cuts and how silent it was in response???
Hilarious!
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 6:37:32 PM
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“The gymnasium where Obama spoke was filled to capacity (1,500) and an additional 2,500 watched from the student center building. Additionally, many, many more were unfortunately turned away due to lack of room.”
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You’re further undermining people’s ability to believe the right wing lies dr.john.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Brown’s platform is “I drive a truck”. Wow.
Reminds me of how Bush hoodwinked the right with his ‘Aw shucks, I’m jess a little old cowboy from Texas’ shtick.
He was the son of big banks and big oil, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and licking the hands of Halliburton and the Saudi’s .
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Pssst!
Coakley says there’s no more Taliban in Afghanistan!
Pass it on!
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Did you see the video of Obama in the half empty hall saying that Choakley would voted against the tax cuts and how silent it was in response???
Hilarious!
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 18, 2010 6:37:32 PM
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“The gymnasium where Obama spoke was filled to capacity (1,500) and an additional 2,500 watched from the student center building. Additionally, many, many more were unfortunately turned away due to lack of room.”
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drjohn your posts aren’t credible. Your enthusiasm for a return to the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Gonzalez days is obvious, but your credibility not so much.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Halliburton
Michael Moore invested in Halliburton. Clinton gave Halliburton no-bid contracts.
Obama retained Blackwater.
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Michael Moore invested in Halliburton.
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You say he did, Moore says he didn’t.
Jim Smith from West Bend also invested in Halliburton. Doesn’t mean he had the vested interest of Cheney – who walked back and forth between the offices of the White House and the position of CEO of Halliburton.
Bush being also neatly tucked in their pocket. Big oil, big banks.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Anyone notice that Obama didn’t mention Obamacare with Coakely?
Gee, I wonder why….
Posted by: drjohn | January 18, 2010, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
A comment about baseball is supposed to be somehow important in a serious election? My how the quality of the media and the quality of political debate has fallen.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
So, Brown might win in Massachusett(e)s…wow.
Guess those folks in that state value their pocket books more than they do socialist progressivism…it’s fine when others pay for it I guess.
Sounds like the hope ‘n change tingles up the leg are in the past.
Posted by: RR GOP | January 18, 2010, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
“A comment about baseball is supposed to be somehow important in a serious election? My how the quality of the media and the quality of political debate has fallen.”
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You’re missing the point. Brown is winning because he is connecting with people on a very personal, basic level. Martha (or is it Marcia? Ask Patrick Kennedy) Coakley is coming across as a cold, impersonal tool of Obama. And yes, if you want to come across as a real true man or woman of the people in Massachusetts, you had better be a proud member of Red Sox Nation. Why do you think Hillary claimed to be a life long Yankee fan when she ran for the Senate? It resonates with millions of people, that’s why. This isn’t hard to figure out.
Posted by: Woody | January 18, 2010, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
drjohn your posts aren’t credible. Your enthusiasm for a return to the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Gonzalez days is obvious, but your credibility not so much.
Posted by: tierra
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Whose credibility? The blame Bush meme ain’t working too well for you. It’s old, tired and boring.
The new bumper sticker seen around town is “Obummer.” That, unfortunately is the new reality.
Posted by: seriously? | January 18, 2010, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Bush! Cheney! Halliburton! Big Oil! Big Banks! Did I miss anything? That playbook is two years old. Better update it or 2010 will be worse than anyone can imagine.
Posted by: Woody | January 18, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Brown’s platform is “I drive a truck”. And people are going to fall for that like they did for Bush’s “Awe shucks, Ahm jess a good old cowboy”?
The soap opera cartoon reality of politics in America.
It took the Bush administration 8 years to double the national debt and leave the economy in complete ruin – and the Obama administration is supposed to fix it in a year?
Let’s get real.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Bush! Cheney! Halliburton! Big Oil! Big Banks! Did I miss anything?
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You apparently missed the complete mess the country was left in after that administration – and you expect the Obama administration to fix it in a year?
No matter how much of the Republican kool-aid you drink, you cannot eliminate the reality.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Stop using the term “Democratic” when you mean “Democrat”.
The current crop of Democrats (upper-case D) are anything BUT democratic (small d).
Posted by: Kevin | January 18, 2010, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
No matter how much of the Republican kool-aid you drink, you cannot eliminate the reality.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 18, 2010 7:51:28 PM
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Looks like I struck a nerve. That old playbook isn’t working anymore. Even in Massachusetts. I’m watching the commercials right now. Coakley’s negative adds are pathetically ineffective. People aren’t buying what she’s selling. This could be a double-digit drubbing.
Posted by: Woody | January 18, 2010, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Obama’s transparency has brought one thing to light. We have known that politics are corrupt, but ever turning a blind eye to the process we kept on electing scoundrels like Pelosi and Reid to public office.
With Obama’s brand of Chicago politics, there is no longer a “blind eye” to turn; bribery, threats, deals and political arrogance are clearly visible.
The deals may be made in the dark, but even a liberal media scrambling for something to report is bringing it to main street. Even a liberal media is beginning to hammer on Obama’s campaign LIES!
Harry Reid comments to the effect that deals are expected in politics. And deals are all that Obamacare seems to offer.
Alexis de Tocqueville said it quite prophetically, “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
So, what has Obama accomplished in just one year? He has birthed a movement of unity in America that is growing by leaps and bounds, though it be a unity against his corrupt and arrogant march into socialism and government takeover.
We can thank Mr. Obama for awakening the unquenchable American spirit of independence and freedom. A spirit that will prevail until the foundations of a democratic republic are re-established.
Join GOOOH (google it if you haven’t heard of it)and help Pelosi find her way home while sending Obama a clear message that we don’t want his socialism!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
We can thank Mr. Obama for awakening the unquenchable American spirit of independence and freedom.
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Again the pathetic attack and smear campaign from the right and the Republicans – trying to cover up what a complete mess they made of things when they were in government.
Why don’t the Republicans run on their record? Because it was a disaster.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
tierra: “You apparently missed the complete mess the country was left in after that administration – and you expect the Obama administration to fix it in a year?
No matter how much of the Republican kool-aid you drink, you cannot eliminate the reality.”
Look at the polls on health care and right track/wrong track at realclearpolitics. The Dems are in big trouble and you know it.
BTW, please humor me with an explanation of a Bush mess that Obama is struggling with. The more time the faithful spends dwelling on the past, the less time they’ll spend preparing for what’s coming.
Posted by: Woody | January 18, 2010, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
damn… all these democrats voting for Brown…..kind of makes the lefties in here want to change their Depends huh
Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | January 18, 2010, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
The pathetic attack and smear campaign from the right and the Republicans – trying to cover up what a complete mess they made of things when they were in government.
Why don’t the Republicans run on their record? Because it was a disaster.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Look at the polls on health care and right track/wrong track at realclearpolitics.
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Yeah, I’ve looked at those numbers. Under Bush in October 2008, that 17% of Americans believed we were on the right track.
That number has doubled to 36% under President Obama.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Maybe it’s news to you, but Bush isn’t running for anything. Brown is running on his own beliefs, not some prior politicians.
Posted by: seriously? | January 18, 2010, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Obama is like the mother in law who comes in to help after the baby..next thing you know, your carpets have been changed, the wallpaper ripped down,the cable TV dropped, your other kids are now vegatarian, and there’s a new housekeeper she hired doing double duty as your husband’s second wife..Americans were looking for assistance and leadership..not a take over of every aspect of our lives by the government!
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Brown is running on his own beliefs, not some prior politicians.
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Brown is a Republican – with the same failed Republican policies as the Bush administration.
Why don’t Republicans run on their record? Because it is a disaster.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Tierra..we are all holding our breath because Brown could be the one speed-bump that slows down or stops this disgusting, disfigured healthcare disaster from proceding forward. This has nothing to do with Bush, Cheney, Haliburten, iraqi oil, blahdeblah… all that stuff the left regurgitates when they get upset.
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
That’s right. Stay focused on Bush and the Republicans “failed” policies.
Meanwhile, America will move on without you. Massachuetts’ voters will vote Scott Brown in as Senator tomorrow.
Try not to get too wee-weeded up about it.
Lol.
Posted by: ceeLeelee | January 18, 2010, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
Yeah, I’ve looked at those numbers. Under Bush in October 2008, that 17% of Americans believed we were on the right track.
That number has doubled to 36% under President Obama.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 18, 2010 9:27:35 PM
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Wow, what a ringing endorsement!!! 38%, that’s awesome! Back in the spring those numbers were above 50 at times, now they’ve sunk.
You neglected to post the health care numbers. Let me help you, they’re 40.7% for, 51% opposed. Generic ballot in November, Republicans +2%. I know, it’s shocking considering how Bush, Cheney, Reagan, Nixon, Eisenhower, Roosevelt (the one with the mustache), Lincoln, Halliburton, Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Chem, Big Business in General and the Big Banks ruined the country just one short year ago. Yet people have already soured on Obama, Reid and Pelosi. How does one explain this? It’s a great mystery.
Posted by: Woody | January 18, 2010, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
You crack me up. Look at Pelosi,Reid, Frank et al. Poster children for “characteristics I don’t want in a politician.” Democrats have their own problems. You sound quite out of touch with reality.
I am grateful Republicans are running against the democrats plans. Monstrous government plans are just that. Inefficient, bureaucratic, monsters, that suck up resources and spit out waste.
Posted by: seriously? | January 18, 2010, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
Brown is a Republican – with the same failed Republican policies as the Bush administration.
Why don’t Republicans run on their record? Because it is a disaster.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Well I know very clearly which party got us into the mess we are in. I haven’t seen any republicans daring to raise their head up and stand for anything other than more of the same that Bush admin gave us.
Posted by: trueblue | January 18, 2010, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
I guess if you keep repeating yourself, even you will believe it.
I guess what you mean is, everything is Bush’s fault, even after all of Obamas decisions and all of the money we’ve wasted because of Obama’s decisions, it’s still Bush’s fault.
I get it, democrats take no responsibility for anything they do because it’s always someone else’s fault.
Personal Responsibility doesn’t seem to be a character trait you democrats seem to understand. That is most unfortunate.
Posted by: seriously? | January 18, 2010, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Posted by: seriously? | Jan 18, 2010 10:45:16 PM
Same problem seriously, you offer nothing positive about the Republicans – only criticism of the Democrats.
Why is it the Republicans only run on attacking and smearing the Democrats?
Because their own recent record is a complete disaster and they have nothing to offer.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
“I drive a truck” sometimes we need a truck to get home with the lack of city snow removal. I miss the old days,when we took care of the people. Maybe all truck drivers are stupid.
Posted by: Dale | January 18, 2010, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
You offer nothing positive about the democrats – only criticism of the Republicans.
Why is it the democrats only run on attacking and smearing the Republicans?
Because their own recent record is a complete disaster and they have nothing to offer but tax and spend policies that will bankrupt our country at an exponential pace.
Posted by: seriously? | January 18, 2010, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
This is a fun game, but I have a cold and I’m going to bed. I suggest you look at every politician on an individual basis and see what they stand for. This partisan stuff is a waste of time. I personally don’t like big government. I don’t vote for those who do.
Posted by: seriously? | January 18, 2010, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Posted by: seriously? | Jan 18, 2010 11:28:28 PM
Despite your clever evasion, you still nothing positive as to what the Republicans have to offer?
Nothing at all? Haven’t seen a post in weeks outlining what the Republicans have to offer. Just attacks and smears on the Democrats.
It’s the only tactic the Republicans have had for years – attack and smear.
When the Republicans run on their record – they fail dismally.
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
. I personally don’t like big government. I don’t vote for those who do.
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Hope you feel better. I hate to say it . .. if you fall for the Republican promises of ‘smaller government’, I have a Republican Bush administration to sell you . ..
Posted by: tierra | January 18, 2010, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
Obama owns this economy! To blame Bush is childish.
Similar to blaming Clinton or Al-Qaeda for what Bush inherited.
Remember the stock crash and then the plane crashes.
“Cap and Trade”, “Health Bill” are a power grab for more control.
What you lefties do not understand is that the government is not God.
The government can not make people nice or happy even if they make
laws that demand such. Why does the Government need a union?
The Tea Party is a true grass roots attempt by ordinary people trying to
gain control of a runaway Government. Obama wanted the job so, quit crying
Posted by: Superdad | January 18, 2010, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
You have to show a photo id to cash a $5 check down at Wallmart, why not when you vote?
The Dems cry out that it would be an unfair burden… on who?
People get their butts in gear when it concerns money coming to them, why not to vote?
Posted by: csbd | January 18, 2010, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Oh people, I can’t believe what I’m reading. Are you democrats that stupid to still blame it on Bush without looking at what THE ONE is doing to your country? I don’t know…. I’m at a loss. We are all screwed beyond hope.
Posted by: sickandtiredone | January 18, 2010, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Obama’s been the POTUS for a whole year, and he’s had a majority in the congress. All this is his fault, from the economy all the way down the line. He’s incompetent as hell and never should have been elected. And Nancy Pelosi should not be running the country.
In November, we need to clean house. It begins tomorrow in Massachusetts. Go, Scott Brown, Go.
–And I agree that a prospective voter should have to present an ID card to vote. You can’t even cash a check without one. Is voting less important than that??? SINCE WHEN???
Posted by: midwestlady | January 19, 2010, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Tiera,
Who’s a disaster??? Obama’s a disaster.
You can’t blame anyone but him. He’s been in office a whole year, and he’s had the majority in Congress the whole year.
You got a problem with how things are going? You blame Obama because he’s responsible for it and has been all year.
Posted by: midwestlady | January 19, 2010, 12:13 am 12:13 am
if you fall for the Republican promises of ‘smaller government’, I have a Republican Bush administration to sell you . ..
Posted by: tierra |
The good old days when it took 8 years to double the national debt.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | January 19, 2010, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Obama owns this economy! To blame Bush is childish.
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Nonsense. Obama is responsible for trying to fix the mess left by the last administration, but he is not responsible fore creating that mess.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 1:54 am 1:54 am
You got a problem with how things are going? You blame Obama because he’s responsible for it and has been all year.
Posted by: midwestlady | Jan 19, 2010 12:13:10 AM
What if I have a problem with the dimwits who have a problem with how it is going– you know, people like the tea party fools and the Republican Party of No defenders? Do I blame Obama for how asinine they are too? That he couldn’t supplant their narrow minds, rigid ideologies and limited intelligence with something more expansive and beneficial?
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 19, 2010, 2:59 am 2:59 am
When the Republicans run on their record – they fail dismally.
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This is absolutely true. I notice that rather than talking about their record, they spout the propagandist ideology they’ve memorized, never noting that once they get to Washington they never deliver strong fiscal policy or a smaller government– and they never address domestic issues.
The party of no gets us nowhere.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 19, 2010, 3:03 am 3:03 am
if you fall for the Republican promises of ‘smaller government’, I have a Republican Bush administration to sell you . ..
Posted by: tierra | Jan 18, 2010 11:38:18 PM
Nice line, and I agree! Unfortunately they fall for it– every. time. And when you ask them to take a peek back and reflect on what actually occurred the last time they made the mistake they’re about to make again, they get testy and shield themselves by spouting accusations and lame things like “quit looking back; take responsibility” not realizing the hypocrisy and irony of the latter.
It would be funny if I wasn’t honestly concerned about tomorrow’s special election.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 19, 2010, 3:06 am 3:06 am
It’s a great mystery.
Posted by: Woody | Jan 18, 2010 9:55:19 PM
Is it really? Not only are many Americans ignorant about essential scientific, civic and cultural knowledge, but they also don’t think it matters. They’re looking for those deeply personal connections you mentioned– you know, cheering on the same baseball time and fellow truck drivers.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 19, 2010, 3:13 am 3:13 am
One last post– a pessimistic quote from Andrew Sullivan that will make the nihilists cheer, I’m sure:
“I can see no alternative scenario but a huge – staggeringly huge – victory for the FNC/RNC machine tomorrow. They crafted a strategy of total oppositionism to anything Obama proposed a year ago. Remember they gave him zero votes on even the stimulus in his first weeks. They saw health insurance reform as Obama’s Waterloo, and, thanks in part to the dithering Democrats, they beat him on that hill. They have successfully channeled all the rage at the massive debt and recession the president inherited on Obama after just one year. If they can do that already, against the massive evidence against them, they have the power to wield populism to destroy any attempt by government to address any actual problems.
This is a nihilist moment, built from a nihilist strategy in order to regain power … to do nothing but wage war against enemies at home and abroad.”
Very sad– but there’s still hope. If you’re in Massachusetts, please vote Democrat.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 19, 2010, 3:29 am 3:29 am
People are making multiple posts on a news blog?
lol
You guys are worried, really worried.
hahahahaha
Posted by: GeorgeInNePa | January 19, 2010, 4:27 am 4:27 am
As a licensed health insurance and one that doesn’t buy health insurance (I know, sounds like a contradiction in terms, but health insurance is a rip off) I can certify that forcing someone to buy health insurance for whatever reason is not constitutional. Or put another way, it’s theft by the government, plain and simple. Obama has been wrong-headed about health insurance from the start and has been wrong about almost everything he has done. He’s an empty suit–we knew this going into the election and it has become painfully obvious the first year of his administration. His gig is up, folks; he’s ruining our country and ripping us all off. (I’m not a Republican–I’m an Independent who knows we’re Taxed Enough Already!! In fact, we’re taxed Way Too Much!)
Posted by: RockyRoad | January 19, 2010, 6:52 am 6:52 am
Obama owns this economy! To blame Bush is childish.
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Nonsense. Obama is responsible for trying to fix the mess left by the last administration, but he is not responsible fore creating that mess.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 19, 2010 1:54:44 AM
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Wrong again. Not only has obama NOT fixed this mess utilizing a few trillion of taxpayer’s money, he is the most polarizing figure in American political history.
That’s gotta hurt. Can’t use “polarize” in the next election without it being associated with OBAMA. You’ll have to come up with something else.
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 7:25 am 7:25 am
“Or put another way, it’s theft by the government, plain and simple.”
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It isn’t theft at all.
Every other western industrialized country has a national health care plan where citizens are required to contribute through taxes or assessed fees.
That’s the way its done.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 7:27 am 7:27 am
Wrong again. Not only has obama NOT fixed this mess utilizing a few trillion of taxpayer’s money, he is the most polarizing figure in American political history.
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More smear campaign from the Republicans. You seem to forget how the last Republican administration tore the country apart and left it in tatters.
If Republicans have to run on their record . .. they lose. So, they use attack and smear campaigns.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 7:33 am 7:33 am
Attacking and smearing is the Democrat way. You see it in Massachusetts and now you see it backfiring. The democrats are cutting and running. obama’s policies are all wrong for the country and Massachusetts is letting you, the liberals, know. Are you squirming yet?
Do you know what projection is?
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 7:43 am 7:43 am
If Republicans have to run on their record . .. they lose. So, they use attack and smear campaigns.
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The Republicans didn’t have to smear anything in this campaign – she did it to herself. She ran a bad campaign and assumed she was going to win.
Based on the information on cable news (since I am clearly not from Massachusetts)a big part of her loss of credibility with the voters has to do with a questionable record. The Republicans may have brought this to light but if they didn’t have something to work with it would have never gotten any traction.
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | January 19, 2010, 7:44 am 7:44 am
You will be okay once it settles in. obama is a polarizer. Funny how it was used on Hillary Clinton during the primaries and now it is true about obama. What a difference a few years makes. It’s karma.
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 7:47 am 7:47 am
Attacking and smearing is the Democrat way.
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You won’t be able to find a single Republican post on this site that isn’t an attack against the President, his family or the Democrats.
It doesn’t matter what the President does – take his kids for ice cream, improve benefits for returning soldiers, visit troops at the military hospital, celebrate Christmas holidays – the right wing attacks and smear. Over and over again, repeatedly.
It’s the tactic – the only tactic.
Attack and smear. Check out the posts on these blogs. It’s appalling.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 7:51 am 7:51 am
Attack and smear. Check out the posts on these blogs. It’s appalling.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 19, 2010 7:51:47 AM
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It’s interesting to me that you cannot see the Democrat’s smears and how Hillary Clinton was treated during the primaries by obama’s campaign and the media. There is video after video documenting this treatment. What about the smears against the tea party participants? I think it’s time for the liberals to act like adults.
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 8:00 am 8:00 am
Win or lose the Brown campaign has showed this Administration that they do not have a blanket approval to do anything that darn well please.
Obama won the election and he did a convincing and, frankly, masterful job in doing so. His supporters took the win and the President’s popularity in general to force feed a hard left legislative agenda on the American public. This is clearly not what the majority had in mind. Obama won by 2 Million votes which was a convincing and clear win but this is not landslide material. It was and is a start, best case.
New Jersey was considered by the DNC and the Obama administration to be a fluke of nature, bad timing, questionable candidates. Regardless what happens today I hope the leadership of the Democratic Party gets the message that the majority they have enjoyed is a fragile thing. They need to take this seriously and respond accordingly.
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | January 19, 2010, 8:08 am 8:08 am
Posted by: Jenny | Jan 19, 2010 8:00:32 AM
Smear campaign is pretty much the only tactic the Republicans have used. Attack the President. Attack and smear the Democrats.
The Republican record is so recent and so poor they don’t have a chance if people think at all about what things were like for the past 8 years, the doubled national debt the Bush administration left, the collapsing economy, the crashing stock market, 700,000 losing their jobs every month . . .
This is the Republican record. Attack and smear is sleazy and lowers the bar for behavior, and it appears to be pretty much all the Republicans have.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 8:11 am 8:11 am
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | Jan 19, 2010 8:08:01 AM
It’s a single congressional seat. Parties win or lose individual seats all the time.
The Democrats just won 2 in the fall.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 8:15 am 8:15 am
When the Republicans run on their record – they fail dismally.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 8:17 am 8:17 am
Tierra wrote, several times: “Because their (Republican’s) own recent record is a complete disaster and they have nothing to offer.”
Yet she, and the rest of the Left, conveniently forget that the Republican’s had control of both Houses of Congress during President Clinton’s last six years. You remember 23 million jobs created…budget surpluses!
She, and the rest of the Left, also forget that the Democrats had control of the Senate for 3 1/2 years and the House for 2 years during the Bush Administration. That it was while the Democrats had control of BOTH Houses of Congress that the economy tanked!
BUT she, and the rest of the Left, ALSO forget that the states have a huge impact on what happens to the nation’s economy. During the Bush years most states had either Democratic governors and or Democratic controlled state legislatures. The Democrats ran their respective states to the ground!
It’s actually the Democrats who have a complete disaster of a record!
Posted by: James Danley | January 19, 2010, 8:28 am 8:28 am
This is the Republican record. Attack and smear is sleazy and lowers the bar for behavior, and it appears to be pretty much all the Republicans have.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 19, 2010 8:11:21 AM
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Name an attack Brown used on Coakley. Now name the numerous attacks Coakley and obama used on Brown.
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 8:30 am 8:30 am
This is the Republican record. Attack and smear is sleazy and lowers the bar for behavior, and it appears to be pretty much all the Republicans have.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 19, 2010 8:11:21 AM
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Didn’t Corzine (DEM) call Chris Christy fat? (REP)?
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 8:30 am 8:30 am
This is the Republican record. Attack and smear is sleazy and lowers the bar for behavior, and it appears to be pretty much all the Republicans have.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 19, 2010 8:11:21 AM
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Didn’t Corzine (DEM) call Chris Christy fat? (REP)?
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You don’t seem to understand. The ONLY tactic the Republicans have used at all is attacking the President and the Democrats.
Since President Obama was elected ALL the Republicans and the right have done is smear him and attack him.
If the Republicans run on their record – all there is out of the previous administration is economic disaster. The previous administration pretty much took us to a Great Depression with a doubled national debt. Now they blame the current administration . .. lame.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 8:36 am 8:36 am
How did Scott Brown smear Martha Coakley? We know how Coakley’s campaign smeared Brown over the rape treatment lie( and even her website reported the truth) but is there a single example of Brown doing something even remotely similar?As far as running on records,it appears that a fair number of Democrats are heading for the hills rather than running on THEIR records.
Posted by: Nephron | January 19, 2010, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Wrong. You don’t seem to understand. We, meaning Moderates, Independents, and Republicans, are well aware of the smears and the Alinsky tactics used by Libs and Democrats on the political enemy. The smears and lies come from you, the liberals.
That is why Massachusetts Independents and Moderates, as well as Dems who reject these kinds of tactics, will show you today that we will tolerate this no more.
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 8:47 am 8:47 am
it appears that a fair number of Democrats are heading for the hills rather than running on THEIR records.
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Not at all. Democrats won 2 congressional seats in the fall – on their record. People have not forgotten what it was like under the Republicans and Bush. That is the record the Republicans have – other than constant attacks on the President.
It’s the Rove campaign – no matter what the President does – attack him. It’s the only tactic the Republicans have used. The record of the Republicans under Bush is abysmal – every American knows that if they think back. The reason things seem bad under Obama is because it’s only been a short year since the Bush administration was in place.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Let’s set the record straight. The Democrat Congress and Bush took us into a recession and the same incompetent Congress and new obama administration brought us into a DEPRESSION with their out of control spending and printing of money we do not have.
Posted by: Jenny | January 19, 2010, 8:51 am 8:51 am
There is no great depression.There never was going to be a Great Depression.We had a banking crises brought about by lax lending practices encouraged,nay mandated by Barney Frank,Maxine waters et. al. who thought it would be “fair” to grant credit to people who could never meet their obligations.The banking problem was fixed by the TARP program,which was conceived,set up and executed entirely by the Bush administration.By January 19 it was working and had “saved” the industry.All Obama had to do with it was to vote for the bill.Since taking office Obama has done nothing to improve the economy-no saved jobs,no rational fiscal policy,no economic expansion,a massive expansion of debt that dwarfs that of all previous presidents.Actually,all of “his” agenda has been set by Reid and Pelosi, who have done all of the work. He is lazy,out of touch and completely lost.
Posted by: Nephron | January 19, 2010, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Do you know what projection is?
Posted by: Jenny | Jan 19, 2010 7:43:20 AM
Anyone who reads your posts gets example after example. Thanks for the service. I actually love how you mention each tactic you use and point out how important Alinsky is to you in nearly every post. it reminds me of my kids when they’re into something new. (Mom! I’m into activism now! I’m applying Alinsky tactics and I’m a tea partier! Isn’t that awesome! I’m going to tell Charlie to stop using Alinsky tactics, because that’s what we do! Watch!)
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 19, 2010, 8:55 am 8:55 am
“Every other western industrialized country has a national health care plan where citizens are required to contribute through taxes or assessed fees.
“That’s the way its done.”
Posted by: tierra | Jan 19, 2010 7:27:35 AM
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We are NOT LIKE every other western industrialized country.
We are the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are not the cornerstone of the other western industrialized countries. That pursuit of Happiness–the American Dream–flourishes because of Capitalism and Individual Freedom. Just because the rest of the western industrialized countries appear willing to ditch Capitalism and Individual Freedom to become Socialistic doesn’t mean we have to do the same.
Posted by: James Danley | January 19, 2010, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Posted by: Jenny | Jan 19, 2010 8:47:52 AM
Jenny the smear campaign was the main tactic against Obama in the last election – it’s all the Republicans have got now.
Fortunately, there are many, many people who remember what happened to the country under the last Republican administration (Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld and the rest).
And there are people smart enough to know it takes more that one year to turn around an economy like Obama was left.
When Reagan took office, the unemployment rate was at 7.5%. Unemployment got worse for two years straight hitting a high of 10.8% unemployment – and then remained at 10% for another 6 months.
It took Reagan 2.5 years to begin to get control of unemployment.
You people don’t like running on facts or your record – too much like reality.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 8:57 am 8:57 am
If Republicans run on their record . .. they fail miserably. Hence all the distraction and the attacks.
The last Republican administration was the Bush administration – and nobody wants that again. Not the way they left the country – no thanks. That was only a short year ago.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 9:02 am 9:02 am
How did John McCain smear Barack Obama? How did John McCain’s campaign smear Barack Obama?How did Scott Brown smear Coakley? Who smeared Creigh Deeds? How was John Corzine smeared by the Republican party?tierra,give just one example for any of these races.
Posted by: Nephron | January 19, 2010, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Posted by: Nephron | Jan 19, 2010 9:05:20 AM
From the moment the President was elected the right wing and the Republicans have been repeatedly calling him a Muslim, a communist, a foreigner, anti-American, a terrorist, a terrorist sympathizer, a traitor .. . you name it.
A constant barrage of smear tactics. Dragging his name through the mud over and over.
That’s been the tactic. We’ve all seen it. Sleazy.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 9:32 am 9:32 am
And George Bush was called a Nazi,stupid,uncaring,a liar ,etc.,etc.You accused Republicans of smearing their opponents in campaigns.The fact that you cannot give an example proves that your charges are baseless.
Posted by: Nephron | January 19, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am
The fact that you cannot give an example proves that your charges are baseless.
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I just provided you with a whole handful of examples . ..
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From the moment the President was elected the right wing and the Republicans have been repeatedly calling him a Muslim, a communist, a foreigner, anti-American, a terrorist, a terrorist sympathizer, a traitor .. . you name it.
A constant barrage of smear tactics. Dragging his name through the mud over and over.
That’s been the tactic. We’ve all seen it. Sleazy.
Nephron it’s been non-stop from the moment the President was elected – a smear and fear campaign. You can’t deny it.
Posted by: tierra | January 19, 2010, 9:46 am 9:46 am
tierra,you said Republican campaigns.Which specific campaign has smeared their opponent? I gave you several campaigns to find a specific example of a Republican campaign that smeared its opponent.The fact is that none of them did.Period.You can speak in generalities,but this is a blog.You have accused Republican candidates of running smear campaigns;give just one example from the campaigns I’ve mentioned that proves your point.Specifically,you accused John McCain of running a smear campaign against Mr. Obama.Where did he smear him?
Posted by: Nephron | January 19, 2010, 10:06 am 10:06 am