Obama on Reining in Budget Deficits: Won’t Accept ‘Opposition for Opposition’s Sake’
ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports:
Devoting his weekly address to reining in budget deficits that “could damage our markets, drive up our interest rates and jeopardize our recovery right now,” President Obama called on the government to exercise budgetary restraint as any American family would.
“It is critical that we rein in the budget deficits we’ve been accumulating for far too long,” Obama said. “We’ve heard plenty of talk and a lot of yelling on TV about deficits, and it’s now time to come together and make the painful choices we need to eliminate those deficits.”
The president blasted the seven Republican co-sponsors of his proposed bipartisan fiscal commission on deficit reduction for voting against the idea this week in the Senate.
“I will always respect those who take a principled stand for what they believe, even if I disagree with them," the president said. "But what I won’t accept is changing positions because it’s good politics. What I won’t accept is opposition for opposition’s sake. We cannot have a serious discussion and take meaningful action to create jobs and control our deficits if politicians just do what’s necessary to win the next election instead of what’s best for the next generation."
The president praised the Senate for restoring the pay-as-you-go law that was in place in the 1990’s.
“It’s no coincidence that we ended that decade with a $236 billion surplus," he said. "But then we did away with PAYGO – and we ended the next decade with a $1.3 trillion deficit. Reinstating this law will help get us back on track, ensuring that every time we spend, we find somewhere else to cut.”
And President Obama again called for his proposed spending freeze on non-security discretionary spending.
“We increase investments in things we need, like job creation and middle class tax cuts," he said. "We cut spending on those we don’t, like tax cuts for oil companies and investment fund managers, and programs that are redundant, obsolete, or simply ineffective.”
After a week of refocusing on jobs, Obama declared that job creation will be his “number one” focus for 2010.
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when is anybody in congress or the Pres going to get some guts and just come out and say how the big 3 entilement programs are going to bankrupt the country? no wonder all we have in congress is a bunch of wimps and no b___s, and only care about being reelected and don,t give a damn about anything else.
Posted by: roger olson | January 30, 2010, 6:38 am 6:38 am
when is anybody in congress or the Pres going to get some guts and just come out and say how the big 3 entilement programs are going to bankrupt the country?
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Obama pretty much identified that as a primary concern at the Q&A with the Republicans on Friday – and that addressing this was one of his major priorities and a major focus of the health care bills in Congress.
Posted by: tierra | January 30, 2010, 7:23 am 7:23 am
I no longer care what Obama says or does. The republicans are both corrupt and insane. The democrats have sold out. My vote for 2010 and 2012 is set. I will be voting for every third party candidate I can find on the ballot.
Posted by: jan | January 30, 2010, 7:39 am 7:39 am
Obama is clearly setting up Republicans to get hammered when they do the obvious and oppose much of the president’s cost-cutting agenda. It’s laying the groundwork for what could be a successful push against the GOP, still the “party of no,” in time for the fall elections.
Posted by: matt | January 30, 2010, 8:01 am 8:01 am
“Obama is clearly setting up Republicans to get hammered when they do the obvious and oppose much of the president’s cost-cutting agenda.”
LOL! Yeah, they really hammered Scott Brown in Massachusetts, didn’t they? Brown won overwhelmingly in Barney Frank’s and Ted Kennedy’s very blue districts. And he RAN on opposing Obama’s agenda.
Republicans opposed the quadrupling of the deficit, which Obama did in less than a year. Obama is now concerned about deficits. He’s a liar and has no credibility. Americans are tired of the constant propaganda from his administration and shills like yourself.
It will be a bloodbath for liberal Democrats in November. Get used to it.
Posted by: Mary | January 30, 2010, 8:28 am 8:28 am
“And President Obama again called for his proposed spending freeze on non-security discretionary spending.”
This is posturing. Obama said he wants it.
That’s code for “it’s never going to happen under Obama”
He always does the opposite of what he says. The left never catches on to that. They’re satisfied with the words.
Posted by: drjohn | January 30, 2010, 8:41 am 8:41 am
===and we ended the next decade with a $1.3 trillion deficit===
I see progress here. He actually admitted he was part of the problem.
=== It’s laying the groundwork for what could be a successful push against the GOP, still the “party of no,” in time for the fall elections. ===
And more progress. An Obama supporter admitting this is political posturing.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 9:01 am 9:01 am
Look. As an Independent here, Roger Olson, Tierra, Jan, Matt, Mary, Dr. John, Axey – you all need to take the partisanship out of your collective voices. It’s clear that you either lean hard to the left or hard to the right. As an “in-between” it’s easy to watch and listen to both sides and quickly discover the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
Obama put it on record on Wednesday when he talked about Jobs and the Economy being priority number one in 2010. Yes, I know he put things on the record in 2009 and didn’t deliver on all (and for the record, he did deliver on about 30%, began steps to deliver on about 50%, and completely abandoned about 20% of his promises). I chalk that up to year 1 in the White House. How any person can expect any candidate to go from election to execution in their first year in office considering the complexity and size of our society, is beyond me. So I’ll give him just a little bit of slack in year 1.
Now that he’s put the Year 2 agenda out there for the world to see I for one am going to call him out on it throughout the year.
That said, in 2009 it was very clear that the Republican Party was set on defeating anything this administration wanted to accomplish. They took a political stance in the name of their party. It was a calculated move to see if they could divide the country and to a large extent, they succeeded. People on the right and left started hating one another.
But this will be different. What Obama is proposing right now are things every American wants, more Jobs, a better economy, a better life period. So, as we move through 2010 and the administration introduces proposals to cut spending, create jobs and help the economy, if the Republicans continue to play politics, they’ll be left with egg on their face, much like they were after losing the White House and the majority vote in Congress and the Senate. I’m not saying they need to say yes to everything Obama wants to do. But they need to stop politicking and start doing the job. A repeat of their strategy from 2009 in 2010 won’t fly.
So, my overly loyal and partisan bloggers, it’s time to look in the mirror and ask yourself – are you an American, or are you a Politician? In the end, Obama is right. We no longer have time for people in Washington acting so Washington-like. And that goes for the everyday American spewing hatred on-line merely because a person from the opposite party has something to say. It’s the words the we need to listen to, and the actions that we need to critique. Focusing on the deliverer of the message makes you part of the problem. So stop being part of the problem, pick up a shovel, and help dig our country out of the hole we’re in. And remember, God doesn’t belong to the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. Neither should you.
Posted by: WeaponX | January 30, 2010, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Obama says one thing — then does another. Obama is a great speaker. In 2008, he and his liberal cronies based the entire campaign on lies and most Americans bought them. Now, he is campaigning again. Too little, too late. This is the most corrupt administration in American history.
Posted by: IN 2008 HE WANTED TO WORK WITH REPUBLICANS --- THEN HE LOCKED THEM OUT! | January 30, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am
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Posted by: WeaponX | Jan 30, 2010 9:33:38 AM===
A very non-partisan post. Sort of like Obama’s reaching out to republicans yesterday in a non-partisan way. You both need to work on your bipartisanship delivery.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 9:48 am 9:48 am
This is the most perverted presidential administration and congress in the history of America. It is not the most corrupt but runs a very tight second. Fire them all.
Posted by: Bob | January 30, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
It is not the most corrupt but runs a very tight second. Fire them all.
Posted by: Bob | Jan 30, 2010 10:01:54 AM
I think you need to comb through the history books, Bob. This is total b.s.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 30, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am
A very non-partisan post. Sort of like Obama’s reaching out to republicans yesterday in a non-partisan way. You both need to work on your bipartisanship delivery.
Posted by: Axey | Jan 30, 2010 9:48:24 AM
A partisan with no proven track record on bipartisanship delivery weighs in.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 30, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
I will be voting for every third party candidate I can find on the ballot.
Posted by: jan | Jan 30, 2010 7:39:49 AM
It would be really interesting to see what happened if most incumbents were voted out and replaced with free thinking third party, independent and innovative reform/solution-oriented candidates. I still like the President– but I’ll be looking at third party candidates myself.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 30, 2010, 10:25 am 10:25 am
I don’t think reinstating paygo will do a thing. These guys disregard the law whenever it suits them. Obama obviously has no respect for the supreme court or congress, stating he’ll just write executive orders if they don’t do what he wants.
Posted by: Mike | January 30, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Mr. Obama won’t accept “opposition for opposition’s sake”. He got to be the worst President America has ever known.
Posted by: young_voter | January 30, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Cut government spending by 50%. Freeze discretionary spending. Increase taxes on those with incomes greater than 250,000 as promised, end wars, give foreign aid in kind not in cash and if there is still a deficit after this prescription then appoint a commission and take your time.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | January 30, 2010, 11:40 am 11:40 am
This wouldn’t be politics as usual by the president, would it? Politics as usual in Wash DC is when one person doesn’t get their way then they complain to the media. What a hypoccrit!
Posted by: Bob | January 30, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Seems to me the president has got his mojo back, and the Trolls are scrambling to beat him back this morning. Yesterday he kicked some Republican butt in their forum with their questions and their agenda. He had no teleprompter. He ruled the day. We need to see much more of this to expose their snarky, snide and negative approach to governing this nation.
Posted by: Phoenix Lady | January 30, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Our president is articulate and speaks well because he is an intelligent person, and intelligent people do make mistakes, we all do regardless of how smart we are, and it’s a bumpy road for him because of so many things to grapple with, our recession was nearly a depression a year ago, now we are contending with a dire job situation, the prez wants to impose tax cuts for the middle class, tax breaks for small businesses which do most of the hiring in the United States for jobs…the big companies continually outsource, manufacturing is in China, customer and information services are in India. The irony is that the big conglomerate banks accepted American tax dollars for the bailout and turned around laid off thousands of American workers and replaced them with foreign nationals…I have no deference to other nations, however, as a matter of survival for bread and butter, one needs a job, and if big multinationals aren’t hiring American citizens but the potential for small and medium businesses are there for the U.S. worker, don’t you think they need a little support?
Posted by: phantomniter | January 30, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
So the President passes the economic stimulus package adding up to billions upon billions … then he reacts against big banks … then he says big banks aren’t doing enough … then he wants to add billions with health care … then he gives lop-sided political deals under guise as negotiations … now he wants to reign-in the very spending he’s initiated … talk about doing whatever seems politically advantageous … I wonder if this President has an attention deficit disorder ?
Posted by: mbievtea | January 30, 2010, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Laughable! I can’t belive that there are people in this country that still trust and believe this clown.
Posted by: RM | January 30, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
I watched the President – GOP Q & A yesterday. I was astounded at the tone and questions in what was supposed to be a meeting to question and discuss the ways to work in a bi-partisan way, or so I thought. After the president’s opening remarks, he was handed the Republican “playbook” containing GOP proposals on a host of subjects including healthcare reform, which Rep. Mike Pence qualified as “what you have worked so hard to ignore in the last 12 months”. That set the tone. Obama went to remind the audience that if the GOP were to oppose everything for which they did not get 80% or 100% of their proposals in the bill, it would be hard to work together. I personally believe the GOP has yet to come to terms with the fact that they lost the presidency and both houses in 2008, and that Obama’s agenda, not the GOP’s, is what people voted for. Trying to improve DEM proposals, remove “irritants” from bills is normal; trying to make the laws while in opposition is not. The last question, preceded by a political rant from TX Rep Jeb Hensarling including the quote that “the monthly budget deficit under Obama equaled the yearly deficits under the GOP administration”, question kept for last, I believe purposedly, went a little like this: “WILL YOUR NEXT BUDGET, LIKE YOUR OLD BUDGET, TRIPLE THE DEBT AND CONTINUE ON THE PATH LEADING THE GOVERNMENT BUDGET TO GROW TO 25% OF THE ECONOMY?” After pointing out that the “monthly DEM deficit larger than the GOP yearly deficit” was not true, and that Hensarling knew it wasn’t true, and that this type of rhetoric is why is it hard to work in a bi-partisan fashion, Obama made 3 points on this question; He inherited a 1,3 Trillion deficit before he even had passed a single law, GWB inherited a 200 Billion surplus, then passed 2 unfunded tax cuts, passed Medicare Part D -10 year cost 686 billion$ – without funding, and engaged in 2 wars paid for through unfunded budget supplemental measures, and added a 3 Trillion$ debt provision for “lack of revenue caused by the recession(8 Trillion $ total), and that what He added to the debt was 1 Trillion $, mostly from the stimulus package. In 1990, GOP President GHWB passed “PAY AS YOU GO” that prevented new entitlements or programs to be passed without an offsetting measure to pay for them. PAY-GO was reconvened many times until GWB let it lapse in 2002, while he passed a debt-ceiling increase. Last Jan 28, Senate passed a new version of PAY-GO, 60-40, along party lines, at the same time it passed a debt-ceiling increase to prevent the government from going into default, AGAIN 60-40 with not 1 GOP vote. That is why Obama is making the point that bi-partisanship is difficult when you are the only one willing to participate, not because of common sense or the benefits to the country, but for blatant partisanship and electoral agenda. I believe this discussion shed light to how things are going down in Washington these days. I was impressed by Obama’s calm, to-the-point, factual responses in the face of sometimes “loaded” questions.
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Is Obama getting his Ron Paul groove on? Let’s hope so, but somehow I still have my doubts given his big government mantra.
Posted by: Huh | January 30, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
“Wisdom is the power to see and the inclination to choose the best…”
- so where does Congress fall in this approach?
Posted by: whatever | January 30, 2010, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
I don’t think reinstating paygo will do a thing. These guys disregard the law whenever it suits them. Obama obviously has no respect for the supreme court or congress, stating he’ll just write executive orders if they don’t do what he wants.
Posted by: Mike | Jan 30, 2010 11:24:07 AM
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No repsect for the Supreme Court? Let me explain what the Supreme Court did. They accepted a case to rule on if “Hillary The Movie” was indeed a corporation involving itself into a campaign. They just had to rule on THIS movie. Only they decided, ON THEIR OWN, to sweep out and just decide now on if corporations can involve themselves into campaigns. It’s like they just got up and said “let’s change some law today.” So Obama is right and then some to get on this court. Evidently now they can just get up and choose to change law somehow attaching it to some similar case. It’s not supposed to work this way. And some day? In the future? When some more liberal judges do this? I do not want to hear you whining then. This is just so wrong on so many levels.
Posted by: secondlook | January 30, 2010, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Mr. Obama, you politicians have it all down pat. However, the people would like you to know that you do not have any justification or permission to spend our tax dollars that have not been give to the federal government. Knock it off.
Posted by: James L. | January 30, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Mike | Jan 30, 2010 11:24:07 AM: And why, may I ask, would making it mandatory for congress to answer that simple question “HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT?” not be a good thing, or for that matter, a bad thing? GOP will not tell you why they voted against it, I will: THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT THAT YOU CAN’T GET EVERYTHING WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT, AND THAT MEANS RAISING TAXES! This is a simple math equation every household is familiar with: You need to increase revenue in order to pay for increased expenses. In any and all governments, local, state, federal, foreign countries, there are 2 ways to increase revenue: 1- Keep tax rates stable, GDP increase will add to revenue, when you have a cushion (surplus) you can cut taxes by up to, not more than, your surplus, to keep the books balanced. GOP went 1 step further and were proven wrong time and again under Reagan, GHWB (although he had the courage to repel his own “READ MY LIPS NO NEW TAXES” when he realized the budget was going to the dogs thanks to Ronald), then under GWB. They all claimed that cutting taxes would result in enough economic – thus GDP – growth (the trickle down theory), as to offset the tax rate decrease. 2- Raise tax rates to the level necessary to both pay for your current expenses, and make just enough more to pay down the debt, thus getting rid of deficits, lowering the interest payments on the Debt, leading to possible long-term tax cuts as GDP grows and debt diminishes. This is what happened in Canada for the last 15 years: 14 budget surpluses in a row, a law that mandates at least 50% of any surplus to go to pay down the debt. Debt has been reduced by 40%in that period, Canada has the lowest DEBT/GDP ratio in the G-20, and there have been tax cuts in Canada for the last 5 years, as GDP was growing. There won’t be any tax cuts this year, since we are in a recession and have had to spend in our own “stimulus package” and had lower revenues, resulting in a 56 billion $ deficit, the first since 1993. ——-In 2008, on foreign-owned debt, the US spent 242 billion$, or 9,6% of tax revenues, in interest alone(no capital). If you include domestic-owned debt – Federal Bonds and T-Bills, it rises to 454 billion$, or 18% of tax revenues. Remember, that is interest on the debt alone. Nothing is free my friends, time to ask the question: “HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT?
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Lol. So, NOW he’s worried about the defecit? Maybe he should have devoted a little thought to it before he handed out billions to people who were already rich.
But I guess that’s just “redistributing the wealth.”
Posted by: Hosfac | January 30, 2010, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Let me get this straight: Obama’s going to accuse the Right of not being concerned about runaway federal spending/record deficit spending during the first six months of this president’s term? Now he’s a deficit hawk! How ignorant does this delusional snob think we are? The $787 billion “stimulus” bill was an enormous waste. NOW he’s concerned about reigning in spending?! Child, please!
Posted by: s | January 30, 2010, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
secondlook | Jan 30, 2010 12:39:01 PM: I couldn’t agree more. In this case, the Court – read the conservative majority – took upon themselves to abolish a law that had been on the books for a century. This is abuse of power. How cynical to wait until the Massachusetts election had passed until publishing a decision that had been written – according to the minority – over 2 weeks earlier. Did not want to jeopardize the GOP chances for a win? This is disgusting! What comes out of that decision is that any citizen believing
in the phrase: “A government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” has been sold to the highest bidder. I can hear Abe spinning in his grave from here!
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
All economists experts on all sides and independently are all stating that the recession is over thanks to Obama’s actions with TARP.
All economists experts on all sides and independently are all stating that if those meassures were not taken than we would be right now experiencing an even worst recession.
Yet all the Republican talking heads do never want to admit that they are wrong.
So the Good Old boys Republican Party continue with their blah blah blah.
Posted by: Angie | January 30, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
“Obama eyes deficit, asks GOP to do the same.”
Has he asked his own party to “eye it” also? They are the ones who spent money hand over fist!
Posted by: JustMe | January 30, 2010, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Every time the little moron (BHO) opens his mouth I get another example of complete incompetence. He cannot take responsibility for anything!
Let’s review:
Democrat house
Democrat senate
Democrat president
And he wants the GOP to be the ones to exercise budget restraint.
This is hilarious.
Oh yes I forgot Bush did it!
Posted by: Last Ranger | January 30, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
s | Jan 30, 2010 1:35:21 PM: How ignorant are you exactly about the difference between “Crisis management” and everyday business? Any economist on the planet will tell you that in a recession, it is the government role to spend in infrastructure and other projects to pick up part of the “slack” private business is going through. So, saving GM and Chrysler, investing into laying out broadband and highway infrastructures, initiating state infrastructure renovation -long overdue- is the right way to go about acting in a recession. Now, in 2000 GWB inherited a 200 + billion dollars surplus, thanks in part, to the PAY-GO initiative passed by GHWB in 1990 and reconvened by Clinton all the way to 2000, but left to lapse By GWB in 2002. From 2000 on, GWB passed 2 unfunded tax cut bills, passed the 686 billion$ Medicare Part D entitlement without a clue on how to pay for it, while he did not have money to pay for 1, then 2 wars. This is the kind of systemic, day-to-day budget spending Obama is trying to rein in by passing a new version of PAY-GO which all GOP senators voted against. I hope this clears your confused head.
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
“Exercise budgetary restraint”
Obama may as well state before he gives another speech/comment:
This is directed to the 45% of Americans that are still buying my BS.
He is a total joke.
Posted by: mick | January 30, 2010, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
He deserves an Oscar for keeping a straight face–quite a performance.
Posted by: ollie | January 30, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Obama’s going to accuse the Right of not being concerned about runaway federal spending/record deficit spending…
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Everybody should think about it, though accusation is a strong term to use here.
Per Political Animal: “…I can see why this may have a certain, surface-level appeal for some people. Never mind what happened before; let’s just focus on problem-solving in the present and future. To look backwards, point fingers, and assign blame doesn’t get us anywhere… As Clive Crook put it, “Who cares? … What does it matter who caused the problem?…Except, of course, “who did what in the past” matters very much. It’s not about “finger-pointing”; it’s about credibility. It’s about understanding that those who are responsible for creating a mess deserve to be held accountable for their failures. It’s about voters appreciating whose ideas work, whose ideas fail, and making electoral decisions accordingly.
It’s about realizing who deserves to be taken seriously and who doesn’t.”
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 30, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Yet more presidential posturing. The more he talks, the less he says.
Posted by: Publius | January 30, 2010, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
How a guy comes off BEING such a snob, whose grammar is sooo bad he routinely… and so on (insert anti-Obama partisan stuff, any will do , it all sounds the same)
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For me, Mike Pence came immediately to mind. I can’t stand Chris Matthews but it was interesting that Pence came off much worse on Hardball following the President’s meeting with House Republicans. Did you all catch that? What a doofus. He’s descended into gibberish before when discussing evolution, but this was another classic performance.
Yglesias: “For an example of what I’m talking about with regards to dumb-as-a-post Representative Mike Pence, watch his answer to the question of what kind of compromise he would propose for health reform:
“Well, look, you know, I was, uh, yeah, yeah, look, uh”
Pence then pivoted away from addressing the issue to a kind of stammering evocation of the idea that the health insurance industry should be completely deregulated under the guise of allowing you to buy insurance across state lines. This, of course, is just a longstanding conservative proposal and not an idea for a compromise….Unfortunately, Chris Matthews didn’t seem to have the policy chops to dig deeper with Pence on the insurance regulation issue.”
Posted by: There is no Planet B | January 30, 2010, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
===A partisan with no proven track record on bipartisanship delivery weighs in. ===
Since it was directed at me, I didn’t think there would be a problem with me “weighing” in.
===We need to see much more of this to expose their snarky, snide and negative approach to governing this nation.===
So you agree that he failed miserably in his effort to help create an atmosphere of bipartisanship. Maybe we will see this side of him when he visits his own party’s caucus, since they are actually the ones holding him back. Republicans couldn’t stop a thing, if Obama could get his own party to support his radical agendas.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Last Ranger | Jan 30, 2010 1:53:14 PM: Every president, GOP or DEM, even with a majority in both houses, needs input from the opposition to craft bills that will appeal also to the voters that did not vote for their party, making those bills more “government” bills than DEM or GOP bills, not opening the flood gates from the opposition that they have been “shut out”. Or did I not hear that recently? But I digress. Obama doesn’t want the GOP to exercise restraint, he asked them to contribute to writing a bill in that sense. He will ultimately pass the Agenda he was elected upon, GOP help or not. Just did so with PAY-GO without 1 GOP vote. Before you DEMonize this, be informed that the first PAY-GO bill was passed by GOP Pres. GHWB in 1990, as a way to reign in expenses and eliminate deficits after HIS predecessor, – who was it… Ronald something…. oh yeah! REAGAN – had left the finances in shambles. Who then, will you ask, let such a fiscally responsible legislation as PAY-GO lapse? 5 seconds! 4… 3… 2… 1… 0. Time’s up! Answer: GOP Pres. GWB in 2002.
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
===All economists experts on all sides and independently are all stating that the recession is over thanks to Obama’s actions with TARP.===
TARP passed while Bush was president. All Obama did was vote on it. Want to rethink your praise of TARP and Obama’s actions regarding it? Or change it to thanks to Bush’s actions….
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
=== Who then, will you ask, let such a fiscally responsible legislation as PAY-GO lapse? 5 seconds! 4… 3… 2… 1… 0. Time’s up! Answer: GOP Pres. GWB in 2002. ===
I personally can’t think of a thing that would have caused GWB to do something so irresponsible. What on earth could have caused him to…oh wait, it’s coming to me…downtown Manhattan looked like a war zone, the Pentagon was damaged and there was a giant hole in a Pennsylvania farm field. How quickly you forget those days, months and years after 9/11 when our economy was in free fall, unemployment was rising, stocks were in the basement. How quickly you forget Bush held the country together and brought it back.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Axey | Jan 30, 2010 2:15:22 PM: You can wish to “tango” as long as you want, when the girl you invite won’t even answer when you ask, you’ll end up dancing by yourself. And that, my friend, in a nutshell, is what Obama has been facing from the GOP from Day 1. GOP has actually been voting unanimously against proposals made by Obama that were “carbon copies” of former GOP initiatives. Pay-GO is the latest example. So don’t give me the “failure to create a bi-partisan atmosphere” crap…
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
helloooo
Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
===So don’t give me the “failure to create a bi-partisan atmosphere” crap…===
I know how you feel. I felt the same way when Obama last addressed the GOP conference with these two words…”I won”. Very bipartisan of him. Shame on those mean republicans that prevented Obama from obtaining all of his goals. They will go down in history as the greatest minority opposition to ever play in Washington. Makes you wonder how Bush got it done with far fewer Republicans than Obama has Democrats. Or maybe I’m presuming you wonder anything.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Axey | Jan 30, 2010 2:28:41 PM: Wrong…Again… PAY-GO did not prevent military spending, security increase or any such measure. So, when your economy is in free fall you: Pass 2 unfunded tax cuts, pass a 686 billion $ entitlement profiting PhRma without any means to pay for it while it creates 0 new jobs? (This one, PAY-GO would have prevented) And let me guess: While the financial sector is about to collapse, and the economy is going down the tubes, Obama should not have spent money for a stimulus package… Right?
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Axey | Jan 30, 2010 2:38:41 PM: You know what, he was right. Someone had to tell the GOP they had lost, since they were trying to pass THEIR agenda, by systematically blocking anything Obama was presenting. He basically reminded them that the party that has elected the president and a large majority in both houses had the moral and political authority and duty to advance the agenda on which they were elected. He had invited them to cooperate and they wouldn’t… And still don’t…
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
The grave situation our country is in can be fixed. As satisfying and true as pointing fingers may be, it does nothing to deal with the issues and get them fixed. Ever since the filibuster
bill was written and passed into law, like a car with a dead battery, it has become obvious that one dissenter has the power to tie up the entire Senate. Effectively stopping a good bill from passing because this minority Senator opposes the bill. Rendering the Senate majority useless and very ineffective. A lone Senator can quell the voices of the majority of Americans who sent their Senators to Washington to get something done. No longer does a clear majority allow our government to function responsibly and effectively for the people.
SECREG_666
Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
===Obama should not have spent money for a stimulus package… Right?===
Yes. But not the stimulus package that was passed.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Not accept ? Really ? Who does this guy think he is ?
Posted by: nat turner | January 30, 2010, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Axey | Jan 30, 2010 2:55:00 PM: Of course! Would you please address for me the 2 tax cuts , Pay-GO and Medicare Part-D that were also part of my post?
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
===He basically reminded them that the party that has elected the president and a large majority in both houses had the moral and political authority and duty to advance the agenda on which they were elected. ===
So you are aware that the party in power, with large majorities, is Obama’s own party? I wasn’t sure since you are blaming Republicans for stopping Obama’s radical agendas, instead of his own party. It would seem to me that your beef is with the blue dogs that Rham and Schumer helped get elected. Not the minority party.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Axey | Jan 30, 2010 2:55:00 PM: BTW, while TARP was passed under GWB contrary to some people’s assumption that it was under Obama (mostly to pin that part of the debt on him), I do believe it was necessary and that GWB got this one right! We just need to make sure another TARP is not necessary in the future…
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
I read last week, the Center for American Progress, a think tank with close ties to the Obama administration, published an essay about the difference between true deficit hawks and showy “deficit peacocks.” The article said, You can identify deficit peacocks, by the way they pretend that our budget problems can be solved with gimmicks like a temporary freeze in non defense discretionary spending.
In Obama’s State of the Union address, President Obama proposed a temporary freeze in nondefense discretionary spending. Justifying the freeze, Mr. Obama used language that was almost identical to remarks made early last year by John Boehner. Boehner had said “American families are tightening their belt, but they don’t see government tightening its belt.” Obama’s SOTUA said, “Families across the country are tightening their belts and making tough decisions. The federal government should do the same.”
I’m interested to know what’s going on inside obama’s head?
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Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
=== Would you please address for me the 2 tax cuts , Pay-GO and Medicare Part-D ===
I have already addressed Pay-go. Tax cuts have proven to be job creators. Even Obama realizes this since he continually talks about the 25 tax cuts he has passed and has not raised taxes, not one dime, his words, since taking office. I don’t know how to address Medicare Part D with you, since it seems we were both opposed to it.
Posted by: Axey | January 30, 2010, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Wait a minute Obama, you can’t have it both ways!! —- Either, 1)the GOP is the “party of NO” and they stopped you from a $1 Trillion healthcare expenditure (which makes them more fiscally responsible) — OR — 2) The GOP wants to be fiscally irresponsible and spend money, but then they wouldn’t be obstructing your spending plans, so then they can’t be the “party of NO”.
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | January 30, 2010, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Who invited Obama to a Republican rally? Wow, he really took them to school of common sense. His ideas and understanding is issues are light years beyond the reach of the Republicans
Posted by: what667 | January 30, 2010, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
When Obama speaks of the trillion-dollar-plus defict that he “inherited,” he wants the listener to think that it was a George Bush budget. It wasn’t. It was a “contnuing resolution” passed by the Democratic congress. Senator Barack H. Obama voted for it, but he never mentions that.
This is not an honest man. The public now knows this, which is one reason he is below 50%.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | January 30, 2010, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Mr. Obama’s advisers believed he could score some political points by doing the deficit-peacock strut. IMVHO, they were wrong. Furthermore, anyone thinking such a dumb policy was smart is bad news because it’s an indication of the extent to which we’re failing to come to grips with our economic and fiscal problems. Obama’s SOTUA indicated he and his advisers felt the recession would end by the end of 2010.
America’s troubles is easy to state. We’re in the aftermath? of a severe financial crisis, which has led to mass job destruction. IMVHO, only deficit spending will keep us from sliding into a second great depression. Continued deficit spending, IMVHO, is a necessary evil.
SECREG_666
Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
The GOP Congress proved exactly what happens when you become indoctrinated by the “Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Republican Studies” (L.I.A.R.S). You don’t know how to function in a democratic debate that doesn’t rely strictly on talking points and misinformed soundbites. I would also note that Fox, seeing how badly the GOP was being wupped by Obama, shut the broadcast down 20 min before the end to switch to a panel of Obama bashers, then Glenn Beck. I guess the “We report, you decide” depends a lot on what they choose to report, and in what vein.
Posted by: Rob | January 30, 2010, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Obama… what a friggin’ MORON!!!
I guess he’s almost out of checks, and wants the GOP to slow down on THEIR spending… he isn’t done ripping us off yet!
Posted by: Laughing_All_the____Way | January 30, 2010, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
treblig56 it could be partially paid for by passing health care reform with a strong public option. According to CBO reports, a think tank both patry’s recognize as neutral. A strong public option would save the country 120 billion dollars.
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Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
treblig-Meanwhile, health care reform faces a troubled outlook. Congressional Democrats may yet manage to pass a bill; they’ll be committing political suicide if they don’t. But there’s no question that Republicans were very successful at demonizing the plan. And, crucially, what they demonized most effectively were the cost-control efforts: modest, totally reasonable measures to ensure that Medicare dollars are spent wisely became evil “death panels.”
So if health reform fails, you can forget about any serious effort to rein in rising Medicare costs. And even if it succeeds, many politicians will have learned a hard lesson: you don’t get any credit for doing the fiscally responsible thing. It’s better, for the sake of your career, to just pretend that you’re fiscally responsible — that is, to be a deficit peacock.
So we’re paralyzed in the face of mass
As I have always contended. SHEEPLE don’t read enough. Are not interested in the facts. SHEEPLE just baa against their own best interests.
SECREG_666
Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Angie- technically the recession is over. Google the definition of the word recession. With yestrday’s GDP report. America can not be considered in another recession for at least nine more months. And that the current recession is going to end in the next 90 days.
SECREG_666
Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
“The Republicans like military spending, the Democrats like social and welfare programs… so they ultimately compromise and RAISE BOTH!”
Who is dumber? The people pushing the blame game posturing, or the people supporting it?
Posted by: jafo | January 30, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Fascist Hyena | Jan 30, 2010 3:13:32 PM
Why would I respond to a hyena, especially fascist, I can’t explain. —-Continuing resolutions are routinely passed to maintain levels of financing of government operations, so that they do not cease if they overspend their initial budget, or if they did not exist at the start of the fiscal year. You will find such easily by googling “continuing resolution 2005″ or 2009, or 2006 or 2010 or any year for that matter. Here’s a list of what is allowed to continue under this CR: — Intelligence programs and counter-drug activities; Guantanamo Bay restrictions; Stop-loss payments to U.S. troops; Child nutrition programs;
Surface and aviation transportation programs; Housing programs, including the Mutual Mortgage Insurance Fund, the Government National Mortgage Association, HOPE VI, and FHA Home Equity Conversion;
Mortgages at a slightly reduced formula;
Flood insurance and pre-disaster mitigation programs;
Religious worker, physician, and investor visa programs;
E-verify;
The Chemical Facility Security Program. I forgot: Postal service.—- Without a CR these programs would have to stop until the next appropriations period, in this case October 31. Although not in the GWB original budget, it has been inherited by the Obama administration, not CREATED by it. From what I gather, the sum-total of the 2010 CR is less than 25 Billion dollars, out of a 1,3 Trillion dollars defcit, or 1.9%. GWB, while inheriting a 200+ billion budget surplus, inherited a CR as well, as some operations needed more money that had been initially budgeted for them. This is why nobody from the GOP has raised CR as a problem. BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONE!
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Wait a minute Obama, you can’t have it both ways!! —- Either, 1)the GOP is the “party of NO” and they stopped you from a $1 Trillion healthcare expenditure (which makes them more fiscally responsible) — OR — 2) The GOP wants to be fiscally irresponsible and spend money, but then they wouldn’t be obstructing your spending plans, so then they can’t be the “party of NO”.
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Stopping a health care option to make your largest donors happy is irresponsible. Deficit spending with a plan to pay it off (public option) is not irresponsible. CBO is nuetral and they stated a strong public option, ie: extension of medicare, over the next ten years, would help bring sky rocketing health care down.
That’s the problem with SHEEPLE, multi tasking, walking and chewing gum, is a very difficult chore for them to do.
SECREG666
Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
I know liberals believe most Americans, excepting themselves, are too dumb to govern or take care of themselves, but how can the King of Liberals stand up and lecture us about the dangers of deficit spending when his party passed the most pork filled, special interest pay back bill of all time, aka the stimulus bill just months ago. We aren’t that dumb, Mr. President. Your speechifying has reached an all new level of phoniness and you had already raised that ceiling to record heights.
Posted by: pam | January 30, 2010, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
I just simple refuse to believe the stupidity of some Americans that are posting comments on this site…I know Fox News tuned you OUT yesterday …. and I DON’T wonder why….they don’t want you to hear the Truth. You can stop your “phoney” policy bull, it ain’t working…
Posted by: sara | January 30, 2010, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS INVENTED DEFICIT SPENDING, THEY MAKE THE REPUBLICANS LOOK LIKE SKINFLINTS. (D) = DEFICIT
Posted by: jim 234 | January 30, 2010, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
The stimulus that was passed had NO pork or special interest in it…again, I know Fox News Tuned you OUT yesterday from hearing the Truth, but that meeting between the President and the GOP will be rebroadcast over this weekend….Now you can TUNE in, IF you can think for yourself.
Posted by: sara | January 30, 2010, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Maybe having the guts to say no to 9,000 earmarks would help.
Another campaign promise broken.
But it sounded good when he was running for president.
Posted by: kyle | January 30, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Anyone who relies solely on Fox Noise to formulate their political opinions should just bend over forward and kiss your ### good bye. Fox Noise does not broadcast the wes. Fox noise broadcasts what ever story they concoct. Whatever interpretation they choose to take. And re package it as breaking or daily news. News that’s not true, or worth listening to. It’s not News that Fox Noise distributes. Rather lies, misrepresentations and their owners take on what positions his agenda wants to pursue.And Murdoch owns a large number of neo conservative broadcasting company’s. Like the liberal left wing media, LOL!
The new right wing motto. Are you going to believe your lying eyes or what I tell you?
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Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Axey | Jan 30, 2010 3:06:15 PM: You’re making this difficult for me… Would you point in which post you addressed PAY-GO; saying 9/11 was a reason is false as I told you, so let’s have your opinion on this. Tax cuts I referred to were 2001-1,35 Trillion (passed in JUNE 2001; doesn’t JUNE come BEFORE SEPTEMBER?)and the 2003 -550 billion tax cuts while in deficit and the economy in trouble and both, especially the first, geared towards capital gain, estate tax, cutting the top 5% bracket rate from 39,5 to 35%, not so much middle-class, small-business. BTW, Unemployment was still higher throughout both GWB terms than it was when he took office. The Obama plan is for a 300-billion lower-middle income tax cuts and a direct small-business hiring incentive. — I appreciate your candor about the MEDICARE PART D fiasco!
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS INVENTED DEFICIT SPENDING, THEY MAKE THE REPUBLICANS LOOK LIKE SKINFLINTS. (D) = DEFICIT
Posted by: jim 234 | Jan 30, 2010 4:05:36 PM
SKIN FLINTS! You must be 80 and apparently haven’t read any news since Reagan was president. Here is a fact. Republican presidents had significant increases in deficit spending when compared to Democratic presidents. Reagan was the second highest deficit spending president ever. Can you name the first? Let me give you a hint. GWB.
Give up? OK. George W. Bush.
SECREG_666
Posted by: secreg666 | January 30, 2010, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
No more date nights in NYC for Michelle on taxpayer’s dime.
No more $1M to fly pols and their families to Copenhagen for “climate change”.
Posted by: mick | January 30, 2010, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
jim 234 | Jan 30, 2010 4:05:36 PM: It may come as a shock to you that since 1969, there have been only 3 years when the Federal government actually had budget surpluses; THE LAST 3 YEARS OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION!
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Seagreg666- . What you just printed is a the most blantent pure lie on this board. To go there is just true lies. Every news station tells the news. All swing it in a direction for them, and some even choose not to air a story that is news worthy because it can hurt their side. To single out one news organization is just senseless. One of those liberal polls just came out this week with a poll about who they trust the most and believe it or not the consensus was FOX NEWS was the most reliable. WOW. I was shocked too. I mean they are the most watched news outlet of CNN, MSNBC. If you are going to say that about fox you have to also say CNN, MSNBC, ABC.
Posted by: ted | January 30, 2010, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
I can’t believe some people coming here to comment on this subject with so little factual information or such lack of critical thinking that it compares to arriving to the gym in ballerina shoes and tutus to play basketball…
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
The stimulus that was passed had NO pork or special interest in it…again, I know Fox News Tuned you OUT yesterday from hearing the Truth, but that meeting between the President and the GOP will be rebroadcast over this weekend….Now you can TUNE in, IF you can think for yourself.
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The President was so excellent in deflecting all the Republican nonsense yesterday, FOX news cut away from it! They couldn’t stand to see the President making mincemeat of the Republican attempts to embarrass him.
The President was clearly masterful in his defense of his policies and the Republicans were shown for the endlessly campaigning obstructionists they are.
Posted by: tierra | January 30, 2010, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Meanwhile, this is what happened in Canada for the last 15 years: 14 budget surpluses in a row, a law that mandates at least 50% of any surplus to go to pay down the debt. Debt has been reduced by 40% in that period, while US debt nearly tripled. Canada has the lowest DEBT/GDP ratio in the G-20, and there have been tax cuts in Canada for the last 5 years, as GDP was growing. There won’t be any tax cuts this year, since we are in a recession and have had to spend in our own “stimulus package” and had lower revenues, resulting in a 56 billion $ deficit, the first since 1993. I forgot, Canada has a universal public healthcare system that costs HALF what the US spends per person.
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Canada has a universal public healthcare system that costs HALF what the US spends per person.— and Canada
does not go all over the world and
spend large amounts of money on wars…
Posted by: whatever | January 30, 2010, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Since Canada doesn’t bother to pay for thier own army and spends squat in that area it’s a bit easier for them to do things.
Posted by: secondlook | January 30, 2010, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
whatever | Jan 30, 2010 4:49:26 PM: 2 reasons for that: Like most of the world except the UK, Canada tends to trust UN inspectors when they say they found no WMDs in 2 years of inspections. BTW UK’s Prime Minister of the time is currently being grilled by a parliamentary commission trying to understand the REAL reasons the UK went to war. Canada also does not arm or finance dictators or dissidents that eventually turn on them. Saddam, Northern Alliance – aka Taliban – Iran Shah, Cuba’s Bautista, Manuel Noriega… It does not prevent Canada to go to war when there is a just cause, such as the 2 World Wars, Korea and recently Afghanistan where Canadians shed 139 lives fighting alongside the US. One major difference between the 2 countries is that canadians do not believe they can get everything and pay for nothing, nor that the welfare of each citizen is his own problem only. So Canadians are ready to pay more taxes to pay for the services they want, and are ready to pay a little more still to cover their compatriots’ arses should they fall on hard times… Works well for the most part. Current unemployment rate 8,4%, down from a Sept’09 peak of 8,7%.
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
What a crock – He gets caught with his pants down, and all of a sudden he is a caring budget minded President. If people do not see through this charade, then they are the ones who deserve this man. He is trying to repair the damage done to his party over the past year SO they can be re-elected. That’s all. He went to the Republican retreat for one reason. A Public Relations opportunity.
His big, loud, and insincere talk is aimed at getting the republicans to look like they are standing in the way. HIS Socialist Party put us in the worst financial debt since the great depression. Don’t let him fool you. He plays the public like a fiddle, and he has most of the news media in his back pocket – except FOX, which he criticizes, along with Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and the Supreme Court. Whenever he doesn’t get his way, he criticizes, and blames. He is good at that. Wake up America..!!
Posted by: Golden Clays | January 30, 2010, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
He went to the Republican retreat for one reason. A Public Relations opportunity.
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The President went the the Republican retreat because the Republicans invited him.
They asked him very tough very aggressive questions on his policy and approach, and he answered those questions forcefully and masterfully with great expertise, detail, warmth, humor and feistiness.
The Republicans set out to show him up with their accusations, and the President showed himself as a great president in the making. The Republicans really tended to make themselves look like obstructionist partisan campaigners with their preambles of accusations. The President stood in the fire and was excellent.
Posted by: tierra | January 30, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Obama’s right on the mark. Pay-as-you-go, just like American households. It’s possible that Scott Brown could’ve been the best possible wake-up call for him.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | January 30, 2010, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Obama: “if politicians just do what’s necessary to win the next election instead of what’s best for the next generation.”
He’s speaking from his experience.
Obama accuses for what he himself does.
Posted by: EPU | January 30, 2010, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Is Obama’s smugness him trying to talk “tough”, or “decisive”, or “fearless”? Whatever it is, it doesn’t work. It just comes off as him sounding arrogant, smug, and self righteous.
Posted by: EPU | January 30, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Rasmussen has Obama at an overall 49% approval rate for the past few days. Let’s hear now from the Left about how Rasmussen’s polling can’t be believed. Come on. Let’s hear it.
Posted by: For The Record | January 30, 2010, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Obama is a politician. That’s pretty much all you need to know.
Posted by: For The Record | January 30, 2010, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
hopesprings52 | Jan 30, 2010 6:13:37 PM: Right! Do you know the original bill for PAY AS YOU GO was passed by GOP Pres. GHWB in 1990, reconvened many times by Clinton but left to lapse by GWB in 2002? And this time around, since it’s proposed by a Democrat, the GOP voted 40/40 AGAINST it Thursday? And Obama is not bi-partisan?
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Obama is absolutely partisan. In his state of the union address he decried the politicians who are in “permanent campaign” mode the same week he brought into the White House his campaign manager.
Posted by: EPU | January 30, 2010, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
The only reason we’re hearing this bipartisan talk from Obama now, after first snubbing the Republicans ever since his election, is because the American people are fed up with him and want the change we thought we were getting. Now, and only now, that Obama’s leadership and competence is in question and that his power just might trickle through his clenched political fists, does he now want to make nice with the Republicans.
He is telling them to stop the bipartisanship, but what he’s really doing is raising a white flag. Or in his case, a yellow flag because while he cries ‘uncle’ he’s simultaneously blaming the Republicans.
Obama’s reaction to the Scott Brown victory reveals more of his true colors. He is afraid of losing his monopoly on their control over the American people.
Obama is nothing more than a thinly disguised dictator.
Posted by: EPU | January 30, 2010, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
For The Record | Jan 30, 2010 6:28:14 PM
I support Obama and I believe the polls. So much false, misleading, politically motivated comments have been leveled about anything and everything Obama put forward, from death panels, Debt and deficit, to Iraq withdrawal and Gitmo closing, even attributing TARP to him to implicate him in the last deficit – although I personally think GWB was right on that one – that a significant number of people bought it and now doubt Obama’s commitment to his agenda, or worse, believe his agenda is bad for the country… More people need to see last night’s Q&A, especially the question / rant from Jeb HENSARLING(Rep, TX) and Obama’s response, to understand the hoax the GOP is trying to pull on the american voters…
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
I support Obama and I believe the polls.
Posted by: treblig56 | Jan 30, 2010 7:01:54 PM
Well I’m glad you believe the polls because Rasmussen was NOT believed when the approval rating was in the low 40′s. Scott was basically called a hack doing FoxNews’ bidding. I’m just saying I better not see an “progressives” commenting on his higher rating now.
re: GOP. I am disappointed in all politicians whose main goal is simply to get the power back. At this point, I think that’s what many are doing. However, I think there is plenty of blame to go around and for me it focuses on the word “politician” more than anything else. It reminds me of the incestuous environment in the Roman Empire.
The debt bothers me the most. And raising the debt ceiling to accommodate spending is very scary. Can we spend our way out of this? I don’t know but time will tell I guess.
I’m worried about the impact baby boomers will have on this (I am one). That’s where politicians really bug me. They should have been preparing – really preparing – for this 20 years ago. Just like health care, it was kicked down the road because they cannot see farther down the road than the current day, month or year.
Posted by: For The Record | January 30, 2010, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
“The debt bothers me the most”
Then the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and running deficits instead maintaining the Clinton budget surpluses, which could have been used to pay down the debt, must have really bothered you.
Posted by: Skip | January 30, 2010, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
“Or in his case, a yellow flag because while he cries ‘uncle’ he’s simultaneously blaming the Republicans”
The real uncle was FOX cutting coverage of the Republicans getting schooled.
Posted by: Skip | January 30, 2010, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
EPU | Jan 30, 2010 6:55:44 PM: I don’t think you are aware of the countless attempts Obama made to incorporate GOP provisions into bills, only to be denied any cooperation because those bills were not GOP enough. The GOP forgot that the party than wins the presidence and both houses has the duty and the responsibility towards those who elected them to pass legislation they campaigned on, and tried to legislate while in opposition. After a year of GOP bashing him, culminating in Brown’s election, He said:”Enough already”, and re-hired Plouffe to answer blow-by-blow to the partisan lies and accusations from the GOP. He accepted an INVITATION from the GOP caucus that, from the get-go, looked more like an attempt to undermine Obama than have a frank discussion. They ended up having their arses handed to them with a smile, as Obama both answered all questions openly, shot down the lies and partisan rhetoric, while exposing the motives behind all the misinformation of the last months. Either the GOP learns to work with Obama, or he will pass his agenda without them, although I believe what he always said, that he’d rather have the GOP involved in a positive way.
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Freezing spending is a good idea – If the freeze takes place at January 2008 levels.
Posted by: Ron | January 30, 2010, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Then the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and running deficits instead maintaining the Clinton budget surpluses, which could have been used to pay down the debt, must have really bothered you.
Posted by: Skip | Jan 30, 2010 7:17:32 PM
Absolutely. But I’d be more inclined to hold Congress accountable since they hold the purse strings. That’s what checks and balances is all about right?
I think we’ve long since established Bush’s role in this. But he did not act in a vacuum and as I keep saying there is plenty of blame to go around. I’ve had to look back myself now that things are not “rolling along” like they were. I admit I paid little attention to it all when my house was worth 3 times as much as it should have been.
But I am paying attention now and I still don’t like what I see which I listed in my previous comments. Blaming Bush is not going to reduce the deficit. And I understand the frustration of the GOP looking like they have all the answers after 2000-2006.
At some point we have to move forward while admitting the mistakes of the past. We’ve had a whole year to get this out of our system. How long will it take?
Posted by: For The Record | January 30, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
The real uncle was FOX cutting coverage of the Republicans getting schooled.
Posted by: Skip | Jan 30, 2010 7:19:43 PM
Isn’t Ron Paul a Republican?
Was he there?
Did he get schooled?
Or can’t he be bothered.
Posted by: For The Record | January 30, 2010, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
For The Record | Jan 30, 2010 7:12:37 PM: 2 remarks: the US has only had 3 budget surpluses since 1969, all under Clinton in his last 3 years in office. That’s thanks in part to GHWB passing PAY-GO in 1990 to address the deficits. But he had committed a GOP cardinal sin when he went back on his “LOOK AT MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES” as he responded in a fiscally responsible way to the financial mess REAGAN had left him. The only fiscally responsible GOP Pres. was shown the door because he was… too fiscally responsible. Limited public, universal healthcare, tax-based funded, with supplemental private insurance for such things as dental, vision, and maybe a few other items, is one of the only ways to harness the formidable bargaining power of 307 million people against the medical and pharmaceutical establishments. Private unsubsidized clinics for those who are willing and able to pay astronomical fees for either necessary or unneccessary procedures can join the Cadillac club. Germany offers public AND NON-PROFIT private options, still everybody is covered. France has a mixed-system where you can get more frills and on-demand diagnostics (whether warranted or not)and specialist care (without referral) in the private system, and free public care, with some restrictions on tests and specialist care, both of high quality and in a timely manner. What these and other universal public systems have in common, is that they their cost is below 60% of US costs. The one thing people will have to come to grips with is that you have to pay TAXES to have what you want and pay down the debt. They have been maintained in the “Big Government” is responsible for deficits long enough. Anyone knows you can’t afford a house, a car, food and utilities if you bring home a part-time job paycheck. Unless you are willing to give up public services, you have to pay more. Wealthy people don’t care, they can afford private services should the public ones fail… as long as they don’t pay taxes… Push come to shove, they can always move to one of those “socialist states” Not everybody can or want to.
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Does anybody know many large employers self-insure for healthcare? They negociate fees with doctors and hospitals, pit drug manufacturers against each other when more than one makes a similar drug to get better prices, and pay care and a % of medication costs out of payroll deductions and a small corporate participation. Still, some say it can’t be done on a national level. Imagine the savings with a 307 million strong group negociating costs without anywhere else to turn for drug companies and medical outfits! That is what the “socialist” countries have understood long ago…
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
“Imagine the savings with a 307 million strong group negociating costs without anywhere else to turn for drug companies and medical outfits!”
The only problem with this argument is it makes too much sense.
Posted by: Skip | January 30, 2010, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
Skip | Jan 30, 2010 8:16:12 PM: Exactly! And that is why the public option has been GOP’s enemy #1 from the start of the healthcare debate…
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
When I buy prescription medication, the government pays 70% of the cost. If a generic comes to market, they pay 70% of the cost of that generic (negociated price between the only buyer – aka government – and the drug company). If I want a brand name, I pay the difference between that brand name and the generic on top of my 30% co-pay. Tadaa! Freedom of choice and cost-control all rolled into one! Kinda like well drink – premium drink option in bars… Damn! I just realized bars had already figured out healthcare cost-control!
Posted by: treblig56 | January 30, 2010, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Rasmussen has Obama at an overall 49% approval rate for the past few days. Let’s hear now from the Left about how Rasmussen’s polling can’t be believed. Come on. Let’s hear it. Posted by: For The Record | Jan 30, 2010 6:28:14 PM
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Gallup has him 47% approval rating. How long will it be before the WH attacks gallup AGAIN.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 30, 2010, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Freezing spending is a good idea – If the freeze takes place at January 2008 levels.
Posted by: Ron | Jan 30, 2010 7:29:37 PM
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Just more smoke and mirrors from the Obama administration. They Increased the budget in 2009 by over 20%, AND only 1/3 of the stimulus money has been spent. The remainder will be doled out in the coming years. Slush fund.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 30, 2010, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Freezing spending is just another way of saying I’ll keep on with deficit spending . . . just at a slightly less rate. Or that I am quitting smoking, I’ll just smoke two packs and 19 cigarettes per day instead of three packs!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 30, 2010, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Rasmussen has Obama at an overall 49% approval rate for the past few days.
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Relying on any one poll is a bit foolish when Real Clear Politics publishes their poll of poll – which gathers polling results from the major political polls and averages them out.
They also have the President at 49% – almost exactly where he’s been for the past couple of months.
Reagan hit 35% approval during his first term.
Posted by: tierra | January 31, 2010, 12:54 am 12:54 am
Rasmussen has Obama at an overall 49% approval rate for the past few days.
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Relying on any one poll is a bit foolish
Posted by: tierra | Jan 31, 2010 12:54:48 AM
But you have no issues with Rasmussen right now, correct? If it was 42% or so, you would be screaming foul, correct?
Posted by: For The Record | January 31, 2010, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Reagan hit 35% approval during his first term.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 31, 2010 12:54:48 AM
No really? I guess I missed it the first 8,000 times you posted it.
Posted by: For The Record | January 31, 2010, 1:33 am 1:33 am
Reagan hit 35% approval during his first term.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 31, 2010 12:54:48 AM
No really? I guess I missed it the first 8,000 times you posted it.
Posted by: For The Record | Jan 31, 2010 1:33:24 AM
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The same people, make the same big deal over the President’s rating being around 50%.
These figures seem to be important to them – they post them over and over.
The 35% Reagan approval rating is just as important in establishing the relative value of those poll ratings.
Posted by: tierra | January 31, 2010, 1:49 am 1:49 am
But you have no issues with Rasmussen right now, correct? If it was 42% or so, you would be screaming foul, correct?
Posted by: For The Record | Jan 31, 2010 1:31:52 AM
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Pay attention Foggie. I’ve been using the RCP poll of polls.
Posted by: tierra | January 31, 2010, 1:51 am 1:51 am
Im a Democrat, but I don’t think that giving all that stimulus money out to the “red states” was a very smart thing to do. For one, they already get more government assistance than the blue states, and two, they aren’t where the money is needed the most.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 31, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Obama won’t accept anything except what he, Pelosi and Reid want to cram down our throats. Maybe we’ll cram it down their throats in November.
Posted by: Proud American | January 31, 2010, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
“What I won’t accept is opposition for opposition’s sake.”
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He won’t? Unless he plans to take them out behind the woodshed and beat the fire out of ‘em he’ll accept it. That opposition doesn’t work for Obama, they work for those who put them into office!
Posted by: smartlillena | February 1, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am