Plouffe: Dems Need to Pass Health Care Reform; House Passing Senate Bill a “Sound Option”

I’m waiting for Obama’s daily TV appearance.
Surely he will come out and tell us how successful his first year has been.
No anniversay celebration at the White House? Party number 170?

Health care reform would be an excellent legacy for this Congress. Even if it costs them their seats, they should look at Medicare – just as viciously opposed by Republicans (except it was going to turn America Communist overnight, not Socialist) and now so beloved Republicans are rushing to defend it. (In a similar vein, the Democrats who ended up supporting Welfare reform in the 90′s often lost their seats, but they did the right thing for America.) Do what’s right for America first, then worry about your campaign slogans.

mr obama its time to be transparent. thats what we wanted instead of bribing senators. for once the pain in my stomach is gone thanks to the people of mass for showing me they do not move lock step iwth the democrats. i cant wait too see nancy pelosi on a commercial airline in november.

Do what is right for America by stopping this bill. Dont pass it. Why would you want to pass something that the American people as a majority dont want. Regroup, get leaders together and hash it out in the open, in public and get it right! Dems still have 59 votes in the Senate. 59.

Why would you want to pass something that the American people as a majority dont want.
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You would pass it because most of the American people don’t know what’s in the bill – they are reacting to a caricature of the bill.
I say pass it, and let the Democrats be voted out if that’s what people want.
Then they’d be punished with having the Republicans back in power. Pity America when that happens. I would fear for the future with the war mongers back in power, but so be it. If ignorance is to reign, let it reign.

Everyone knows what is in those health care bills and they REJECT this legislation. If every Senator who voted for this trash has to be replaced by someone who will not take bribes or burden us with extra taxes, or increase the deficit, then yes…..
sometimes lessons will be the learned the hard way.

always difficult to put your faith in people who want healthcare reform to fail when they are they same folks who rant about Obama’s birth certificate..

they compiled the worst track record on jobs in decades. And they ended up with the worst stock market in decades. I mean, it was a decade of conservative failure. And yet, Obama’s their villain?
-Think of all the crises and the disasters that you’ve described. And I would add to them things like the, what happened in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. And the Madoff scandal on Wall Street. And, you know, on and on and on. The Jack Abramoff scandal. The whole sordid career of Tom DeLay.
All of these things that we remember from the last decade. I mean, some of them that we’re forgetting. Like who remembers all the scandals over earmarking, anymore? And who remembers all the scandals over Iraq reconstruction? All that, you know, disastrous, when we would hand it off to a private contractor to rebuild Iraq. And it would, you know, of course, it would fail.
Those things have all sort of been dwarfed by the economic disaster and the wreckage on Wall Street. But I would say to you that all of these things that we’re describing here are of a piece. And that they all flow from the same ideas. And those ideas are the sort of conservative attitude towards government. And conservative attitudes towards governance.

The lesson here is that the Progressive NUTS do not care what the American people want or even what their own “party” can agree on. We need to get these progressives out of our government

Hold on a minute, tierra. I thought you’d been chirping on the boards for quite a while that this healthcare bill has been the most open, transparent, explained, etc. etc. So, how could the people NOT know what’s in these bills? I mean, it’s been in the open ALL over the place, right?
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Of course it has been. If you can find any bill that has recieved this much coverage, been posted for open review etc. – you go ahead and show us.
Regrettably, the American people bombarded by media tend NOT to really review what’s there – but instead rely on caricatures or cartoons of the legislation as put forward by million-dollar media hacks.

Looks like Obama’s new fake populist tone isn’t working.
Must have something to do with all the bribes, lies, and sweetheart deals.
The MSM can only hide so much.

Sorry about you losing that supermajority. It wasn’t working anyway.
ollie | Jan 20, 2010 12:49:12 PM
A “supermajority” that included Joe “Vote for McCain” Lieberman and lasted just a bit over SIX MONTHS…

The MSM can only hide so much.
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The MSM is owned by the big corporations – you’re a joke if you think they’re backing the current President.

What Obama, his Administration, the Congressional leadership, and the Obamabots on this board do not understand is that Obama was voted in due to INDEPENDENT support, not far left wing Progressive support. They always get that support. This country remains a center, to center-right dominant country.
It’s the same lesson that Bush, the GOP, and the Christian evangelicals on the far right failed to understand in the middle of W’s terms.
Both candidates won because they ran on moderate, pragmatic platforms and promised to be uniters not dividers, to be post-racial, to be pragmatic and good for the country.
Instead, both W and O and their far right or left backers misread the mandate and thought the country all of a sudden turned red or blue and wanted radical conservative or liberal change.
The US and the electorate are like a race car that needs to go into the shop for tune-ups. They don’t want a new car that is radically different. They want their system tweaked and fine tuned by small incremental change.
This health bill and other pending legislation of cap and trade and card check is a huge over-reach that the INDEPENDENTS are rejecting.

This health bill and other pending legislation of cap and trade and card check is a huge over-reach that the INDEPENDENTS are rejecting.
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I disagree. My take is that the Independents do not like the ugly politics – the ‘corruption’ of the Congress, the bickering, the image of the ‘big time’ politician.
That’s why they voted for Obama and the Democrats after the disaster that was the Bush presidency.
They expected the Obama administration to miraculously change all this.
What damaged the Democrats in this past year was the ‘Blue Dog’ Democrats who extended the bickering, the posturing and the infighting – and made it look like Washington was just ‘business as usual’.
In effect, the Blue Dogs were the same as the Republicans – posturing and strutting and bringing their power politics into the legislative process.

The other thing to remember about the election in Massachusetts is this – that state already has its own form of universal health insurance coverage.
People in Massachesetts were told they’d be ‘paying twice’ if the Democrats passed their health care legislation.
Anybody want to vote for paying twice?

Those things have all sort of been dwarfed by the economic disaster and the wreckage on Wall Street. But I would say to you that all of these things that we’re describing here are of a piece. And that they all flow from the same ideas. And those ideas are the sort of conservative attitude towards government. And conservative attitudes towards governance.
Posted by: JayZ | Jan 20, 2010 12:40:49 PM
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WOW……natural disasters…..Bush must have had a joy stick at his hands and made the hurricane not only roll right into New Orleans, but he forced the vast majority of them to stay even though they were warned to leave.
Better yet, heaven forbid we rest the blame for a failed evacuation plan by the idiot mayor of his own chocolate city, MORON in Charge Nagin.
Nope, much easier to blame a white man right? Heaven forbid anyone think about individual responsibility-what a notion.
Then of course it was Bush’s fault that the levees failed too, because the decades of reporting prior to Bush even being governor of Texas had nothing to do with it either huh?
Does that make Katrina Clinton’s fault too? I mean, the levee’s were failing during his era too!
Tom Delay—LOL—like Harry Reid? Dispute this please, it should be hilarious!
Wait…Robert Byrd, yes please explain him in the Democratic platform old MR KKK himself!
I suppose you think it is okay to have a Black Caucus but not a White Caucus huh?
Oh that’s right, some home white people of today must some how pay for the past indiscretion of others.
Right-forgot about that rule!
Housing crisis—Clinton warned about it and the Democrats said there were no problems. Republicans and Bush warned about it and the Democrats not only said no problems, they said Fannie and Freddie were doing just fine and that Franklin “Scam the books” Reins was doing a fine job.
LMAO….remind me of that scandal.
Wait, Chris Dodd scandal
Wait, Charlie Rangle scandal
Wait, William Jefferson from LA convicted
Wait…..oh i give up, the list goes on and on and on

The problem with the current Congress is most are like “tierra” and just want to pass the bill. They say Americans don’t know what’s in the bill or what’s good for them. The truth is Americans know more about the bills than Congress and we certainly know what’s better for us.
Democrats should be thankful that Brown was elected because they still have a chance to keep their majorities where if they passed the bill the rallying cry to “Reverse ObamaCare” would have led to Republicans overtaking both chambers…a potato could beat incumbent Democrats if ObamaCare passes.
It’s still going to be a great election for Republicans just not as successful as if a health bill was passed.

Nope, much easier to blame a white man right? Heaven forbid anyone think about individual responsibility-what a notion.
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Okay, we know where you’re going from now. Thanks for spelling it out.

I disagree. My take is that the Independents do not like the ugly politics – the ‘corruption’ of the Congress, the bickering, the image of the ‘big time’ politician.
That’s why they voted for Obama and the Democrats after the disaster that was the Bush presidency.
They expected the Obama administration to miraculously change all this.
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I agree with you, Tierra. I’m actually pretty ticked that we’ve offered up such lame candidates in NJ, MA and VA. I have to hand it to Brown and McDonell for running good campaigns with an independent gloss.
Also, I’m ticked at independents for being much less independent of insurance and oil shill influence than one would hope for from “independents.”

Plouffe said, “if this passes, every American is gonna say, ‘Hey—nothing’s changed for me in my ability to see my doctor.’ Seniors are going to see that they’re going to get relief on health care costs. Businesses are going to see costs go down”
What is this guy smoking? Your ability to see you doctor will change when they are overwhelmed by so many more people being in the system. How are seniors going to get relief on health care costs when the government isn’t going to pay providers as much for Medicare? I guess they’ll see relief if they just die. How are businesses going to see costs go down? There is NOTHING in this bill to bring down the cost of healthcare nor the cost of insurance premiums.

There is NOTHING in this bill to bring down the cost of healthcare nor the cost of insurance premiums.
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You’re an expert? Sorry, I’ll take the studies by the Congressional Budget Office over your guesses.

People know exactly what is in the Senate’s version of the healthcare bill (which is a misnomer) and don’t like it.
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People know ‘exactly’ what’s in the bill – don’t be foolish. People know only whatever their particular brand of media has told them is in the bill.

he Federal government has NO business getting involved in this. They don’t understand why people don’t want the Federal government intimately involved in their lives.
Posted by: ellsbells930
cancel on medicare, repeal all banking laws and let the consumer beware, bring back segregation and slavery.. let rampant pollution begin..
light the fires, and lets get to burning books

tierra, I think you underestimate the voters in Mass
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Not at all.
Massachusetts already has its own form of universal health insurance coverage.
People in Massachesetts were told they’d be ‘paying twice’ if the Democrats passed their health care legislation.
Anybody want to vote for paying twice?

Also, it will be interesting to see how Reid and Pelosi fare in their fight for power. Then we will be able to see where the country stands, without lame excuses.

tierra, You are using a quote from Olberman, over and over again. Boring.
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Not at all; its my own observation – haven’t watched Olberman.

Yesterday, Americans voted for FREEDOM over hot air empty promises.
If you want to find the nation with the ultimate social safety net, look no further than the Soviet Union.
Maybe, for just a short period of time, Americans have regained a bit of common sense.
Davie Crockett said best when stated, “Any government that is big enough to give you anything you want is big enough to take away everything that you have.”
Does America really want to have every finite aspect of their lives determined in Washington? Is FREEDOM no longer valued?
Yesterday at least, in Massachussetts at least – the people voted for FREEDOM.

What is in the bill or not in the bill, the majority of america does not care. They dont want this bill.
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Thank you, Ted. Right wingers and tea party types don’t want this bill no matter what’s in it or not in it. They just wanted to oppose it, no matter what. Your honesty is refreshing as most people on the right try to hedge and pretend they do have a brain and care about health care reform in some shape or form.

THERE IS NO PLANET-
I know I am right. The majority(DEM,REP,IND.)dont want THIS bill. If your a democrat you get to help with the bill, if your not you cant come to the back room and make deals. WAKE UP, MASS showed you last night what they thought of their DEMS. They voted for a REP. probably not because they like rep. but because they want to wake up the DEM. My brain works just fine, better get yours reevaluated after last night if you think you all can keep on doing the same old thing

tierra go and check msnbc poll…74% say NO HEALTH CARE BILL AND FOCUS ON JOBS. thats from MSNBC. the far left is out of touch even with the far left. yesterday was the first step to getting this country back from the grips of george soros and obama.

Posted by: smoothhoops | Jan 20, 2010 2:04:19 PM
Sorry, you missed the point.
I was referring to the vote in Massachusetts and why the results are what they are.
Massachusetts already has its own form of universal health insurance coverage.
People in Massachesetts were told they’d be ‘paying twice’ if the Democrats passed their health care legislation.
Anybody want to vote for paying twice?
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p.s – I don’t think you have a very good understanding of these bills nor how premium payments would work.

tierra – You don’t have a very high opinion of your fellow Americans, do you? You sound exactly like the liberal pundits from last night. “The people can’t possibly know what is in it, otherwise they would want it.”
Sorry to tell you, people DO know what is in the bill from their own research.

tierra …the dems are being viewed as marxists and maoists h@ll bent on tearing this country down and tranferring wealth. WE WANT JOBS.i cant believe that the dems self destructed so fast. THANK GOD.

Posted by: tierra | Jan 20, 2010 2:08:18 PM
“Anybody want to vote for paying twice?”
DIDN’T MISS YOUR POINT.
No. And that’s just one more reason why any productive, taxpaying person would not want the health care bill. They’d be paying at least twice – for their own premiums and to support the free loaders.
Thanks for making this point.

Sorry to tell you, people DO know what is in the bill from their own research.
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Now you’re just being ingenuous. Talk about drinking the kool aid.
Most Americans do not know anything about these bills other than what they’ve been told by their favorite brand of media.

Didn’t Obama promise to be an “independent”, too? The American people are already sick of Obama and are in revolt over Congress. What are you guys trying to defend?
The masses are huddling at the gates with torches and screaming for blood, and you guys think that everything is A-OK…
You can defend your delusion til your blue in the face, but the majority of the people WILL have their say one way or the other.
Actions speak louder than words, and the people are sick of the excuses and backroom deals. They have seen the corruption of the GOP followed by the corruption of the Democrats and are ready to demand CHANGE, and kicking out the status quo…
Acting like a title gives you the right to disreguard the will of the people is the same thing that got Kings a date with the guillotine. I suggest that unless the politicans want to see riots in the streets they better start listening to THEM!
To quote Gerald Celente: “When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it!” Do you really want to antagonize and agitate an already unstable powder keg.
People expected Bush to exploit them, they voted for the Democrats and Obama to do the opposite. Yet he steals from Americans to give to wall st. and the medical, military, and government industrial complexes… This isn’t change were seeing… this is feudalism and tyranny. And the people are waking up to it. And that right soon!

I would like to see Medicare go away.
Posted by: ellsbells930
OK I’ll play,
what’s your plan if medicare did ‘go away’ ?

The masses are huddling at the gates with torches and screaming for blood
Posted by: jafo
sounds like the KKK

My brain works just fine, better get yours reevaluated after last night if you think you all can keep on doing the same old thing
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first you say people don’t want the bill no matter what is in it, and then you completely ramble–altering your point– and make claims about the fine workings of your brain afterward. Whatever. So much for the honesty thing — I mispoke. LOL. Same old, same old.

666…sounds like the patriots of the 1700s to me. last night was the shot heard round the world.

Boston Globe wrote a piece on how their healtcare(Universal) in their state is terrible and losing money fast. Is that true? I am just curious. So which plan would the people of Mass have if National health care was passed, the national or state one?

but the 24 hour bombardment of media is all liberal and slanted, but one channel. I watched MSNBC last night, talk about 1 sided.
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Nonsense. The MSM is owned by big corporations. They allow whatever is needed to serve their own needs. If that means providing people with an excuse to think the media is biased, that will be done. They are much smarter than you think.

What are you guys trying to defend?
The masses are huddling at the gates with torches and screaming for blood, and you guys think that everything is A-OK…
Who is the “you guys” who think everyhing is A-ok. I think people want change and are making the same mistake yet again– voting for a Republican and thinking that has anything to do with small government, better reform or populism. We’ve read this book before. I’m fighting against that. If you really want change, vote in some actual independents, not a Republican ken doll.

NEW REPUBLIC: Forget Massachusetts. Obama’s problem is nationwide…

“Boston Globe wrote a piece on how their healtcare(Universal) in their state is terrible and losing money fast. Is that true? I am just curious. So which plan would the people of Mass have if National health care was passed, the national or state one?”
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Yes it is true. The taste of socialized medicine that “they are already benefitting from” tastes a lot like castor oil.
Their costs have exploded well, well beyond what was budgeted for – and what was sold to the people.
Does ANYONE doubt that the numbers being presented for the federal bill wouldn’t explode as well?

.America has lost the ability to sacrifice anything for the common good.
Posted by: blackie | Jan 20, 2010 2:27:56 PM
I agree. Its very disappointing.

Some of the political writing I have seen since the vote in Mass. have said
that the message of the election was,
that Congress should work to solve the
economic problems and nothing else..
That is the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a long time. The minute something
happens to the US, people demand to know
what we were doing about it or was
someone sleeping at the switch.
Dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t.

Posted by: blackie | Jan 20, 2010 2:27:56 PM
“America has lost the ability to sacrifice anything for the common good.”
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Serious up.
Like those union and state employees that are/were getting a free ride on their cadillac insurance plans.
Right?

666 the president signed an executive order today ordering the IRS to go after contractors….the contractors who employ people and create jobs. you know perfectly well what is going on but the elites think they are above the fray. how wrong they are and have been. sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can pull your self up. we are there.its time to take care of the AMERICAN ECONOMY AND NATIONAL SECURITY. this pie in the sky utopia dreams of something or other sells books. it doesnt put food on the table or protect us from other countries or terrorrists.

this pie in the sky utopia dreams
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Pie in the sky utopia dreams? Sounds like the tea partiers and free market libertarian types voting for Republicans and falling completely for the propaganda put out billionaires tied to oil and insurance, and thinking anything will change. We’ve seen this movie before.

And by the way folks – that is the way it always is with liberals.
Take, take, take, take, take.
If you don’t pay up, you’re self-centered and you are greedy.
Now, if you are a recipient of government largess – if you do absolutely nothing – but the check from the feds shows up in your mailbox – you are not greedy. To the contrary, you are a victim. Society is not being fair to you – and it’s time the self-centered morons were made to pay.
When you start pealing the onion just a little bit – you start to understand what liberalism is really about.

Talking to Plouffe.. sort of like talking to the bored washing machine repairman.. that never gets a phone call. Glad J.T. threw the mutt a bone. Like giving a shout out to that parachute pants.. cant touch this guy.

Thank You Massachusetts!

food for thought for you progressive nuts
“without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive”. John F. Kennedy

“without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive”. John F. Kennedy
Posted by: Scott | Jan 20, 2010 3:09:30 PM
So if you yell no to everything I say and offer up no good or logical ideas or solutions, is that supposed to be a debate?

Posted by: There is no Planet B | Jan 20, 2010 2:59:02 PM
“Its not just my own financial gain”.
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Sure it isn’t.
Now, should you drop the insurance you are paying “out of the goodness of your heart” – your employees will leave you and work elseware.
You can re-hire, sure, but you will get a more desperate, and less qualified employee.
Now – you are paying them as part of an arrangement in which you reap the benefit of their labor.
What you are asking everyone else to do is to pay for insurance for others in which there would never be such a benefit.
I like the way you paint yourself as some sort of saint just becuase you do what most other businesses do, while reaping the reward of attracting well qualified employees.
Then, you rattle your finger at everyone else and tell us that we should BY FORCE pay for the upkeep of others.
Tell you what – do this. Go out and find somebody that doesn’t have health insurance. Pay for all of their healthcare from this point forward. AND make sure that you do NOT in any way reap any benefit from that arrangement.
Then come back to us in a couple of years and talk to us about sacrificing for the “common good”.

food for thought for you progressive nuts
“without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive”. John F. Kennedy
Posted by: Scott | Jan 20, 2010 3:09:30 PM
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Food for thought for the entire country.
We remember how much Bush, Cheney and the other Republicans encouraged ‘debate and criticism’ basically accusing everyone who spoke an alternative viewpoint as ‘traitors’.
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YES!!
I just can’t beleive that any honest American could support a bill that has an individual mandate (makes people buy insurance).
That just doesn’t seem to jibe with anything that America was based on.
Hopefully, this is the begining of the end of this government intrusion into our lives!

teirra…julius ceasar is dead and bush is no longer president.the new coach isnt hacking it and next season is ahat we should be focusing on.i care about america not about democrats or republicans.

Is it just me, or does this tierra person still think that George Bush is President?
From what I can tell, no matter what the subject is – if there is something wrong – it’s George Bush’s fault.
Time to catch up – it’s 2010. This is Obama’s country now.

For those of you progressives who keep saying conservatives are the party of know, the democrats cant even agree on these radical agendas this administration is trying to shove down our throat. FYI the republicans are insignificant in passing anything, the left has enough seats

Posted by: danTX | Jan 20, 2010 3:24:06 PM
“Sacrificing for the common good is what provides you with a strong military, law enforcement, infrastructure, public works, and social engineering. Go live on a mountain for the rest of your life and tell us how it is in comparison!”
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People doing that stuff get paid, right? If you’re getting paid to do it – it’s not sacraficing for the public good.
Okay, so – go and be a law enforcement officer – and tell the city you are working for that you don’t want to get paid.
Then come back in a couple of years and tell us about “sacrificing for the public good”.

The Republicans would like to forget about Bush and Cheney and their time in government. Weren’t they Republicans?
Republicans can’t run on their record. They run away from their record.

Now, should you drop the insurance you are paying “out of the goodness of your heart” – your employees will leave you and work elseware.
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The part time employees, no– they won’t get insurance elsewhere which is why I singled them out for the goodness of my heart thing. Learn the facts. Can the speculation. I provide insurance to them, and better insurance than other businesses in the area to the full time employees because I believe there’s no point in voting for ideas, believing in something, and then not putting your money where your mouth is. As for subsidies for others, its not exactly like I’d be exempt, dude. I’d be paying them too. And I’d pay extra. I give a lot to charity. I provide free goods to the hungry and homeless. I pay tuition for my nephews. I donated a modest inheritance for a scholarship. Get it? I’m a so-called bleeding heart. I do believe people reap benefits from that so its not completely altruistic– I make no claims that I do it for altruistic reasons. I do it because I feel really crummy about myself if I don’t and because I believe its what God would want me to do. It makes me sleep better at night. I think the Republican platform is self-centered. I believe in community.

===The Republicans would like to forget about Bush and Cheney and their time in government.===
Not me. I would love to go back to Bush/Cheney running things. I would even settle for Clinton at this point. If things go much further, Carter might be elevated in my eyes.

IF I WERE PRESIDENT OBAMA:
I would find a few superior “apologistas” to defend my Presidency. Plouffe…with idiotic comments like “pass healthcare, pass healthcare” borders on political idiocy..what’s he trying to do…guarantee a sure loss 3years from now? I would ask Axelrod to leave…at least, keep him off the news commentary shows …to many ummms and ahhhhs…doesn’t inspire confidence in whatever he is selling….take the Press Secretary with him….also sounds like a wind-up toy. Finally, Rahm….he may be learning that Washington politics are more than just “what worked ” in Cook County, but the last thing a President needs is a negative here from a comicbook. Hear no evil…speak no evil…..just do it. These advisers, along with overpaid czars….give folks great pause about Obama….get to the root of your problems, POTUS.

And yes – if you drop the insurance you are paying for your part timeers, they may or may not get insurance elsewhere – but they are cetainly more likely to look.
So while your doing all your wonderful good things – add this -
Go and find an uninsured person and pay for their healthcare with no strings attached.

most “self-centered” Republicans
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I’ve noticed that the Republicans really have a chip on their shoulder– if you say their platform is self-centered, they immediately think you’re saying all Republicans are self-centered (when really I think most– but not all– are just too darned stupid or entrenched to realize how self-centered,rigid and detrimental their ideology and platform is; just to clarify).

=== Interesting that others caring about the common good gets your hackles up.===
Interesting that you need to change what was said to make a point. What gets our hackles up is forced charity.
===are just too darned stupid or entrenched to realize how self-centered,rigid and detrimental their ideology and platform is===
Much better if we just follow the left off their cliff.

Interesting that you need to change what was said to make a point. What gets our hackles up is forced charity.
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Did I change it?–
“Come back to us in a couple of years and then preach us about sacrificing for the common good. Posted by: review | Jan 20, 2010 2:39:11 PM”
Its a repeated refrain, providing a tell of the sore spot or achilles heel. LOL. But nice try.

“Interesting tidbit from Democracy for America regarding polling yesterday: ”
You can save your time and stop reading that comment right about there.

“Posted by: philpot | Jan 20, 2010 4:28:50 PM
Living up to the close-mindedness thing. Good for you!”
I just know a bs source for what it is.

disastrous economic policy…
Posted by: review | Jan 20, 2010 4:24:18 PM
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Tips from an expert on disastrous economic policies given the likely voting track record, yes? But here’s the thing– once you’ve voted for folks who have driven the economy into the ground, you are supposed to actually be one of those innovators you’re so concerned about, and come up with something that might actually work.
And, as an aside, do you realize how stupid it is to talk to a small business owner about not caring about the innovators, producers and risk takers? Do you know anything at all about it?
Maybe you can find a job for folks who are supposed to regurgitate propaganda?Maybe that IS your job?
LOL, LOL, LOL.

“While most conservatives – in point of fact do make significant charitable donations – do NOT BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS THE AUTHORITY – OR SHOULD – TO FORCE PEOPLE TO DO THESE THINGS.”
This is true.
Why is it that there are so many people that think it is the job of government to steal money from one set of people and give it another set of people?
With hundreds of government administrators taking their own little cuts in between.

===Did I change it?–===
Yes.

Is this guy serious? Did he really just say they should just pass it and THEN let the American people decide if they like it, 1/6 of the economy be damned? What a fool.

I think you meant to say “much better if they actually put their money where your mouth is” didn’t you? Not really you, but those needy you describe.
Posted by: Axey | Jan 20, 2010 4:54:02 PM
Nope. I meant what I said– there goes another Republican that likely spouts independence, liberty and freedom but is constantly trying to cram their words and versions of things into others’ mouths and down their throats. So hypocritical.

there goes another Republican that likely spouts independence, liberty and freedom but is constantly trying to cram their words and versions of things into others’ mouths and down their throats. So hypocritical.
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For Republicans, its freedom to think the way they do . .. anything else is ‘anti-American’. Hypocrites is right PlanetB. The Republicans and the right are the worst.

im sure they are going to have nancy pelosi tied up with a sock in her mouth like they did with biden. obama needs to go back to college and take reality 101. also it will be along time before we have another jimmy carter candidate or i should say an obama. it takes guys like this to bring the country back to its senses. this means the next pres will be like regan. thank god.

“By a margin of three-to-two, former Obama voters who voted for Republican Scott Brown yesterday said the Senate healthcare bill “doesn’t go far enough.” Six-to-one Obama voters who stayed home agreed. And to top it off, 80% of all voters still want the choice of a public option in the bill.
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tierra – why in the world would the people of Massachusetts want to get on board with and pay for a federal public option when they already have it at the state level? This is double taxation to them with no marginal benefit.

Has anybody that is so brainwashed by Bobo and his friends even stopped to think about why the same people trying to pass this heap arent taking any of it? This bill DOES NOT apply to memebers of congress!! Does that worry anyone? If someone passed a bill that said ‘everyone gets their home paid off’ and the person who wrote it didnt want it, I would be worried about the fine print. Just because they say “Sheep, this is good for you. We have no way to prove it and no way to prove the opposition wrong besides saying “we are right and they are wrong.” Why can congress keep their “Cadillac Plans” FOR LIFE without being taxed on it. Why doesnt the same body that is trying to stuff this down the throats of the American people want to make it apply to them?? Because it is a bad idea that says if you are blessed by your productive employer with an expensive insurance plan, you will taxed! ASK QUESTIONS AND ACUTALLY LISTEN FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER!! How did they get people to blindly follow them?? The leftists will ask you to prove them wrong when the same people they are idolizing cant even tell them how the opposition to health care is wrong!!

Democrats want to pass a bill, any bill, just to save face.
It’s 2AM and closing time, and anything looks good to them.
‘loopholes to allow illegals access to publicly paid healthcare’ SURE!
‘massive fines and/or jail time for uninsured citizens’ SURE!
‘tax on health care benefits’ SURE!
‘unconstitutional mandate to buy a private product’ SURE!
‘no repeal of the regulatory exemption for self insured plans’ SURE!
‘cuts in Medicare’ SURE!

Posted by: review | Jan 20, 2010 5:35:37 PM
And what were the income, poverty and jobs numbers again? Plus, don’t you mean six years when it somes to Republican leadership in Congress during Clinton’s terms, and in all didn’t the Republicans have 12 years of Congressional rule, and wouldn’t that really put the majority of the economic/domestic mess on their heads– or do you know how to acrobats with that too? LOL.
Propaganda and bull crap. Its the mainstay, apparently. But you sure sound like you believe in what you’re selling and since Americans aren’t all that bright in general, I’m sure you’ll find buyers. In fact I see virtual high fives have come your way, haven’t they? It would be precious, really, if I didn’t care about the country and hate the Republican party (not the people–the party and its platform and hypocrisy) with a passion.

“Reform Deform” I say! I don’t know about you, but I think this Health bill is making America Sick. And nobody’s getting any better. And guess what the economy hasn’t recovered, so who’s paying the bill…You know with all this talk of our so called “healthcare Reform” I was wondering what on earth (in a perfect world of course) could actually constitute a good Reform…I guess this kinda got me on the right track though…
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To reiterate:
A few points:
The numbers do look really good from 1992 to 2000. Guess who controlled Congress for eight of those years?
Perhaps you can post Jimmy Carter’s numbers?
And Bush’s numbers were great – considering that he had to deal with a major terrorist attack on American soil that shook every one’s confidence for years.
Again, for the comparison of payroll jobs between decades – thank Newt for pulling Clinton to the center.
The stock market explosion during the Clinton years was due to the tech bubble. Clinton was care taking the White House at the time, but he didn’t have anything to do with it. If you believe that his policies caused the run up on stocks – please be specific and pointing out just what they were.
Budget surplus – Clinton doesn’t sign a budget until Congress sends him one.
Perhaps you will recall the almost yearly pitched and violent budget battle between Clinton and Congress. The gov’t got shut down multiple times.
Guess what? Clinton ALWAYS wanted to spend more – a lot more – than Congress did. Those massive budget battles came done to Clinton wanting to spend a lot, and Congress not wanting to spend a lot.
If it were not for Congress – you would not have seen such surpluses.
(Not to mention that the major factor in the budget surpluses was the “peace dividend” with base closures and reductions in intelligence spending, etc. That worked out well. ;))
As for Bush’s spending – no honest conservative agreed with Bush on his spending orgies. You seem to be complaining that Bush is too much like Obama.
As for Welfare reform – I will refer you to the Contract With America. Brought to you by the 1994 Republican Congressional class – welfare reform was a key feature. It’s nice to see the art of history revision is not dead. But in actuality – Congressional Republicans put welfare reform on Clinton’s desk – and left him little political room not to sign it.
As for Bush’s deficits, I already addressed that above. As for Reagan’s,
1) the money he spent went to defense and ended up crushing the Soviets – money well spent. 2) the social welfare money that got spent came from the democratic congress of the time.
Basically the compromise between congressional democrats and Reagan was that they would both get what they wanted from the budget – so the deficit went up.
Hope that helps you out. Now, would you like to put up some of Carter’s numbers?
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You can ignore that if you want – history revision does seem to be your strong point.
Again, would you like to put up Carter’s numbers?