State of the Union: Reading Justice Alito’s Lips
ABC’s Ariane de Vogue reports: During tonight’s State of the Union speech, cameras caught Justice Samuel Alito seemingly shaking his head when the President made a pointed attack on the recent campaign finance decision.
Lip readers on the web are already weighing in — claiming that Alito said "that's not true" when Obama suggested the ruling will open the floodgates to corporate spending.
Some of the Supreme Court Justices traditionally attend the State of the Union, but do not applaud or show any expression of agreement or disagreement in an effort to show neutrality on issues that could come before the court.
Likewise tonight, ABC’s Martha Raddatz notes the justices are not the only ones who resist any urge to clap in order to maintain the appearance of neutrality. Viewers may have noted tonight that the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff were not clapping either, in response to any remark in the State of the Union they consider to be policy issues.
Tonight, for instance, they did not clap when the president talked about repealing the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, saying, “This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are.”
The only clapping that the chiefs did tonight was for First Lady Michelle Obama and supporting the troops when they come home. However, Defense Secretary Gates, who is a civilian and a political appointee unlike the joint chiefs,, was seen clapping during the president’s remarks about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal.

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Posted by: Bob | January 27, 2010, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
A disrespectful move by the President, one which sets a disturbing precedent. Very disappointing.
Stop whining and lead — stop campaigning and be our President.
Posted by: Marty | January 27, 2010, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Obama is the one who committed the breach of etiquette.
Obama lied and also showed disrespect for the Supreme Court.
Posted by: MichelleIndependent | January 27, 2010, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Obama doesn’t get it. There are 3 branches of government to act as checks and balances.
Little Barry is angry; he wants to be a dictator.
Posted by: MichelleIndependent | January 27, 2010, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
What’s the big deal? Reid yawned.
Posted by: Tired | January 27, 2010, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
Justice Aliton violated Canon 1 and 5 of the Model Code of Judicial Conduct. Shame on him from bringing disrepute to our noble profession. His state bar should admonish him for his clear breach of comity and protocol.
Posted by: Fed Atty | January 27, 2010, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
What did Obama lie about? Are you disputing the holding of Citizens United? If Alito disagrees with that characterization, then he didn’t read the opinion he signed off on.
Posted by: Phil | January 27, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Obama said, “Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections.”
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Until the Supremes repealed that law, Barry couldn’t meet with anyone or get donations from Goldman Sachs.
Posted by: Allietow | January 27, 2010, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Yes, the Supreme court, those who voted to repeal the statue, should be admonished. For those who disagree, ask yourself when was the last time you were able to meet one-on-one with your Representative or Senator & state your individual “average American” concerns vs. corporations, lobbyists & foreign officials whose millions buy them access to these “elected” members whose JOB is to serve the American public!!
Posted by: Darrell | January 27, 2010, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
I really don’t care what he said, just DON’ RAISE MY TAXES!!! I worked my off to make $200K and it is MY money, no one has right to take it and give to those who don’t contribute!!
Posted by: scott | January 27, 2010, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
did he speak to spending more money AND financial freeze in the same speach?
Posted by: RetiredArmy | January 27, 2010, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
$100 Alito is already drafting an apology to Obama.
Posted by: Fed Atty | January 27, 2010, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
People like to believe in checks and balances. Alito delivers it.
Posted by: Bob Q Public | January 27, 2010, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Obama showed a total lack of respect for an equal branch of government. The man-child is a dangerous, and classless punk!
Posted by: JoeB | January 28, 2010, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Obama based the entire 2008 campaign on lies. If twelve GOP’s win in 2012, America may have a chance. OBAMA’S TELEPROMPTER SHOULD BE REMOVED! The Obama/Pelosi/Reid train is about to wreck. Tonight, Obama talked about doing the things they should have been doing over the past twelve months. He spoke about working with Republicans – He locked them out of the meetings! Now that this corrupt administration is in trouble, he’s ‘campaigning’ again. He lied in 2008 and he can’t be trusted now. He will say what we want to hear so he can be re-elected.
Posted by: IN 2008 | January 28, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Justice Aliton violated Canon 1 and 5 of the Model Code of Judicial Conduct. Shame on him from bringing disrepute to our noble profession. His state bar should admonish him for his clear breach of comity and protocol.
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Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Its about time we act what we preach to the rest of the world, its time that gays are treated equally in the military, they give up their lives too on the front line. For those who worry about being hit on in the shower, gays do not hit on straight guys unless the guy is not very straight.
Now about the supreme court, I wish our constitution allows us to FIRE their them and replace them every four years as well.
Scott, stop being selfish like all those people who just want to keep what they make. The more people make in this country the less taxes they pay since they can use out broken tax codes to their advantages, dont be a cry baby.
Posted by: Peter | January 28, 2010, 12:28 am 12:28 am
This elephant eared, liar with a perpetual hiss admonished the SCOTUS for the sole purpose of intimidation. All while the drunken thieves we call congress applauded. It was shameful alright. He forgets he is not in Venezuela. Alito showed far more respect than Obama deserved.
Posted by: kawfytawk | January 28, 2010, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Alito did not give up his neutrality. He simply mumbled “not true” to something that is factually not true. Read the decision and you will see that it specifically excludes foreign corporations from its scope. If Obama had said, “2+2=5″ and Alito had nodded in disapproval, would there be a problem? If you read the decision, you’ll see that Obama’s statement is just as wrong – no opinion or partisanship about it.
Posted by: BHC | January 28, 2010, 12:40 am 12:40 am
It wouldn’t be the first time a democrat president bashed the supreme court. Roosevelt told the conservative court of the 1930′s to get out of the way when it came to “unconstitutional” New Deal legislation.
Posted by: Daniel | January 28, 2010, 12:42 am 12:42 am
petulant Alito, oh dear, how typically conservative of him to disdain comity during the address to the nation….was he tender feelings hurt?
Posted by: Whoa Nelly | January 28, 2010, 12:43 am 12:43 am
Fellow citizens of the USA, Its time to stop grumbling. The President is one man who is doing his best. Lets pray for the two parties to work together and then work with the president and hope they can solve some of our problems.
Posted by: Ruth | January 28, 2010, 12:44 am 12:44 am
Obama attacks judicial branch of government to intimidate future rulings and score poltical points. In doing so, he lowers the standards of behavior. However, it will be Alito the media and Obama supporters attacks.
Posted by: Vincent | January 28, 2010, 12:45 am 12:45 am
Obama lies because the SCotUS didn’t make it possible for foreign companies to “buy elections”. The Supreme Court invalidated a specific section of the law (441a) that bans all corporate financing of “electioneering communications”.
A totally different section of the same bill (441e) bans all Foreign Corporations’ contributions and electioneering. That law remains in place, post opinion.
If Alito said “that’s not true”, then he was merely responding with a fact in the face of a direct accusation of the President and the cheering applause of over half of Congress.
Are people really going to say that a person not quietly disagree with the president when he lies (or shows unbelievable ignorance for a lawyer)? Please.
Posted by: DevHyfes | January 28, 2010, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Checks and balances Mr. President. No one is above the law, that’s why we have the three branches.
I also don’t think Obama was disrespectul as he has right to his opinion. So, I guess the Judicial branch does make laws. I taught they only interpreted the law. That whole speech against Sonya was useless. They claimed she said judges make laws, and she fought to say, no we interpret it, but not so. She was right all along the the circus was senseless.
Posted by: Lee | January 28, 2010, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Wait, is the point of the story…. that alito disagreed? Of course he is the head judge. Fortunately for our country, we can all disagree with any decision of the supreme court (ie abortion) as can our Chief judge with policy and they have a right to reverse it.
Posted by: vanyvrgs | January 28, 2010, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Obama was on spot with that call. the law was put in place by Teddy Roosevelt for the exact purpose that we were “selling the US government wholesale”. It’s true. Alito is an idiot and he looked like a toddler school boy shaking his head “no sahhhh”. Poor taste. He’s the president. you already got your turn when you made your decision and released your justification for it. So sit there and just take the criticism. the law was made by a fervelent republican president. You screwed up when you repealed it. Suck it up, boy/man Sammy.
Posted by: seriously | January 28, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
2 U.S.C. Section 441e
POTUS should read this before he gets up and lies and demagogues ro the American people about this SCOTUS decision. Foreign corps STILL cannot contribute to US elections.
Posted by: Mike in Costa Mesa | January 28, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
The Republicans sure made themselves look like fools tonight.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 12:54 am 12:54 am
This was a shocking display of disrespect and lack of decorum on the part of the president.To call out and egg on the congress to jeer at the SCOTUS while they sit with their hands in their laps was …well VERY un presidential…..
Just another example of the Chicago approach to criticism.
Posted by: Shawn | January 28, 2010, 12:54 am 12:54 am
I thought it was a great speech. Nice job, Mr. President. I can’t believe this is the only post about the speech. What is this, a gossip column?
Whatever– I think its fine for a President of either party to comment on a Supreme Court decision he disagrees with (and I’m sure many Republicans who disagree with Roe v. Wade agree)– and I’m relieved a SC justice didn’t get all good ole congress boy from South Carolina on us– we’re all human.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 12:54 am 12:54 am
worked my off to make $200K—oh quit your crying. Your tax rate is going back to what it was under Reagan. Giving you folks those tax breaks was quite simply a bad investment. You didn’t create any jobs with it. So the folks who actually get the tax credits are those who actually DO SOMETHING that creates a job. As it always should have been. You never had that money before bush, and frankly, bush should never have given it to you. Bush should have done tax cuts the way Obama did _ you get a tax cut for DOING SOMETHING that CREATES A JOB instead of giving tax cuts for doing squat. You want a tax cut??? Then invest in something that gives you the tax cut. He listed a whole slew ofthem. Do something useful.
Posted by: seriously | January 28, 2010, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Judges,politicians,preachers,and lawyers are the spokespersons and protectors of the Multinational Corporations that rape and pillage the world. Wake up America. The antichrist is here and it isn’t a person. Multinational Corporations are sons of SATAN. If you love you kids then you better wake up a get ready to take a stand to fight for your kids. This has nothing to do with religion or isms. This has to do with control and power of our minds and bodies.
Posted by: cony007 | January 28, 2010, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Good for the President ….the people are NOT our God….we saw what happened when they got involved in our political process before….and it will open the flood gates for the Big Corporations to dictate to the American people who our elected officers are. Republicans such as Alito is Pro-Big Government and NOT people…will someone tell me what did that administration do for this country the past 8 years they were there. …I thought so…Nothing…..sent us to WarS and Scared the heck out of the Cowards in this country as if Terrorist are Supermen that are coming to “get you”….reminds me of “the Russians are Coming”…all was a distraction from the Economy and jobs. Yes, my business started to suffer in 2002, and I was out of business by 2004. This has been a long process of DECLINE… and it seems that some of us wants to not even aknowledge that 8 year span.
Posted by: sara | January 28, 2010, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Looked like “Simply not true.” Sotomayor should have smacked him.
Posted by: OM | January 28, 2010, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Obama showed a total lack of respect for an equal branch of government
Posted by: JoeB | Jan 28, 2010 12:17:30 AM
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I WOULD say the justices are independent… NOT equal, The President is the MOST powerful person on the planet. don’t get it twisted.
Posted by: Alito_who | January 28, 2010, 1:09 am 1:09 am
I’m not up to speed on the recent campaign finance decision, what does it say if there is a company that’s 50/50 foreign and domestic, or, a company that’s american/multi national
Posted by: ? | January 28, 2010, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Obama showed a total lack of respect for an equal branch of government
Posted by: JoeB
as opposed to say, Joe Wilson…. really..
gimme a break
Posted by: Tuna Salad | January 28, 2010, 1:12 am 1:12 am
America basically came out and declared war on America. It is time to get this Liar Fraud out of our office. Supreme Court Justices oust this Marxist.
Posted by: kimc | January 28, 2010, 1:38 am 1:38 am
It’s not like special interest groups, including corporations and labor unions, aren’t already exerting undue influence on our election process via their campaign contributions and their overt and covert lobbying, but I’m pleased that the president raised the issue in his state of the union speech.
Since corporate control of any U.S. corporation can easily fall into the hands of a foreign entity or entities that are actually hostile toward the United States, it would seem that such a case would border on, or be an outright case of treason.
As regards to the current inbalance in our government created by corporate money (as stated earlier), the people’s interest would best be served by reducing, if not eliminating, special interest lobbying by repealing the 17th amendment to the Constitution.
Posted by: John Locke | January 28, 2010, 1:42 am 1:42 am
The richest nations in the world can totally buy up the US without anyone knowing who they are. And it won’t be China. Get your prayer rugs ready.
Posted by: ahetch | January 28, 2010, 1:45 am 1:45 am
The SC did the right thing… 5 of them anyway. Obama disrespect for the court was pathetic. We the people need to make him a 1 term failure and vote him out in 2012. He is a socialist bordering on Marxist. He is destroying our economy, weakening our nations security, and bankrupting our children.
Posted by: RM | January 28, 2010, 1:51 am 1:51 am
That picture looks like Chief Justice Roberts, not Alito. ABC can’t seem to get things right.
Posted by: what667 | January 28, 2010, 1:56 am 1:56 am
Obama believes that just because he was speaking to a joint session of Congress, decorum would give him the right to say any blatantly untrue accusation to the face of those who he accuses without being checked.
Anyone who followed the argument in the Citizens United case would laugh out loud at the Government lawyer’s argument that the McCain-Feinfold would rightly empower the government to ban a book if it ventured into electoral politics in any way, shape or form within 30 days of an election. It is a stupid law that is totally ineffective and is an assault on free speech. It is in fact a travesty that the High Court did not strike it down with unanimity!
Obama’s outburst illustrates that he either did not know all the facts (as he did not when spoke of “someone acted stupidly”) or he took his audience for a fool (as he did when he said Obamacare would be paid for by eliminating waste.)
Posted by: Musker | January 28, 2010, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Oh, my God! Obama really scolded the high court for its ruling. Ouch!
Posted by: what667 | January 28, 2010, 2:00 am 2:00 am
Republican judicial activism from the bench is a danger to america, they should be impeached for treason
Posted by: HooRah | January 28, 2010, 2:02 am 2:02 am
Obama is a complete scumbag. The sooner he fails, the better
total socialist pig
Posted by: Garth Webster | January 28, 2010, 2:05 am 2:05 am
This was a shocking display of disrespect and lack of decorum on the part of the president—-he’s the president and he called it exactly like it is. Theordore Roosevelt made that law, before you get your partisan feathers in a hype, so do take note of what the president is talking about. Before the law TR said “we are selling out government wholesale to hte highest bidder” and Teddy Roosevelt, the ‘rough rider”, the guy on Mount Rushmore, the man who made the Panama Canal, one of the VERY few republican presidents who was actually good made that law and it was WRONG WRONG WRONG to repeal it. Obama was spot on. And Alito acted like a baby. Sour grapes. Alito was granted his voice to the public during his ruling and his opinion, now it was obama’s turn. Nothing disrespectful about. That’s how it works. Dont like it, then dont take the job as cheif justice. If you make an absolutely bafoon ruling, you will be called out on it by the sitting president during his state of the union if he must ask for legislation to counter it, as is the case. Unless of course, you DO want foriegn money going toward who should be elected in our government. How in God’s name can ANY American agree to that. It was TEddy Roosevelt’s law, for GOd’s sake! What the #&(*&(*#& are you defending repealing it?????????
Posted by: seriously | January 28, 2010, 2:07 am 2:07 am
Obama’s outburst
Posted by: Musker
funny, PRESIDENT Obama gives an opinion during the SOTU and it’s suddenly an ‘outburst’, Joe Wilson interrupts the PRESIDENT during another speech, but that’s not an ‘outburst’
what fools these republicans be
just remember, there were no domestic attacks on America during Bush/Cheney
Posted by: U Know Not What U Do | January 28, 2010, 2:07 am 2:07 am
The sooner he fails, the better
total socialist pig
Posted by: Garth Webster
as the Pres once said, proved over and over here:
‘ they take pride in their own ignorance’
Posted by: Yowsa | January 28, 2010, 2:10 am 2:10 am
Seriously? How unprofessional! Obama has no right to say those things. First off, he showed complete disregard for separation of powers which is in our CONSTITUTION! As a proud American it is a shame to see our President show such a lack of understanding, honor and loyalty to the very document that has vested into him the rights and powers in which the Constitution and founding fathers have created. There are checks and balances in this country for a reason. One more reason why Obama should not have been elected.
Posted by: JEN | January 28, 2010, 2:17 am 2:17 am
Obama just contradicted himself over and over during his speech. He has never had transparency, approved millions in earmarks in the Omnibus bill and definitely approved of the sleazy back room deals made in the name of buying off congress to get health care passed—a total disgrace. He said he is no quitter so what other back room sleaziness does he have in mind to pass his agenda? He doesn’t get it “the American people don’t like his health bill.” He lies so easily, which is disturbing, has no clue about national security or the economy. He has wasted one year in office chasing a ridiculous health care bill which no one even knows what it contains. He was also very disrespectful to a judge of the high court–shame on him!
Posted by: Jim | January 28, 2010, 2:25 am 2:25 am
I saw nothing new in his speech, so I guess it will the same old thing from the President and the Dems. Hopefully, they will let the Reps get a few ideas in some of the bills to help small businesses. We are headed to a revolution or a Rep takeover in 2010. The best thing for the country would be to vote all incumbents out of office, regardless of the party. My votes in 2010 will be for any new face!
Posted by: Doug Kinton | January 28, 2010, 2:26 am 2:26 am
Obama has no right to say those things . . . it is a shame to see our President show such a lack of understanding, honor and loyalty to the very document that has vested into him the rights and powers in which the Constitution and founding fathers have created. There are checks and balances in this country for a reason. One more reason why Obama should not have been elected.
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Nonsense, the President can make comment on a ruling by the Supreme Court any time he wants.
How soon you anti-Obama types who rave about the Constitution forget Bush and the Republicans.
(2006-06-30) — Just a day after the Supreme Court issued a stinging rebuke of the Bush administration’s use of military tribunals for terror suspects, President George Bush announced today that he had signed an executive order setting aside the high court’s decision.
“As I’ve mentioned before, I listen to all voices, but mine is the final decision,” said Mr. Bush. “I’m the decider and I decide what’s best.”
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Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 2:30 am 2:30 am
Obama has no right to say those things
Posted by: JEN
you folks are such a joke, you’ say you’re all for the constitution but you want take away the right of PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to free speech.. whew, .. new levels of dumb
re: As a proud American
you sound more like a communist dictator.. the only free speech is speech you approve
Posted by: Oh Say, Can You See? | January 28, 2010, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Hopefully, they will let the Reps get a few ideas in some of the bills to help small businesses.
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Do you mean like the tax breaks for small businesses the President introduced? Or the small business loans through community banks? Or what did you mean?
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 2:32 am 2:32 am
(2006-06-30) — Just a day after the Supreme Court issued a stinging rebuke of the Bush administration’s use of military tribunals for terror suspects, President George Bush announced today that he had signed an executive order setting aside the high court’s decision.
“As I’ve mentioned before, I listen to all voices, but mine is the final decision,” said Mr. Bush. “I’m the decider and I decide what’s best.”
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Right wing posters on here are either ignorant of history or hypocrites – usually alternating.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 2:33 am 2:33 am
Posted by: tierra
ahhhh yes,
‘W’ the great decider, the man of infinite strategery, Mr. ‘Bin Laden wanted dead or alive’, mission accomplished’, the brush clearer,
so much to choose from..
how soon we forget
Posted by: Yowsa | January 28, 2010, 2:38 am 2:38 am
All thought criminals must be denounced. How dare Alito deviate from the musing of the great and most merciful Messiah. I see Tierra is up to his usual good work in spreading the official party propaganda and reminding everyone of the Kindergarden playground mentality of the Democrat Party base. Hey Tierra are you sad that November will be here soon and the American People will give you and your Marxist masters the collective middle finger?
Posted by: Ellie Light | January 28, 2010, 2:54 am 2:54 am
well for one,, how long has bush been out of office??? grow up mr. obama,, anything that comes out of your mouth is crap and i don’t believe anything you have to say,, iam not a democrat,, but i would have voted for you, just to get bush out,, but you have so lied ,, mr populiraty
Posted by: kathy | January 28, 2010, 3:06 am 3:06 am
Hi, you gotta love the witty reparte from you left-wingers.
You assume that everyone who doesn’t like Obama somehow liked and approved of everything Bush did.
Unlike you pavlov’s most conservatives vote conscience and will even vote for a guy that can’t win on occasion.
Most conservatives stayed home in 2008, not a great decision, but Bush’s approval numbers weren’t so low because 80% of the public is Democrat.
Your analysis of facts and where the country is at is completely off base, but hey, continue with the delusion.
And thanks for pointing out that Bush signed an “executive order” EXACTLY like calling out the SCOTUS on national television during one the most important speeches of his Presidency.
Posted by: Truth Squad | January 28, 2010, 3:15 am 3:15 am
uh, let’s play with history here, eh. Bush said, I’m the decider and I decide what’s best in regards to a political appointment, i.e. Rumsfeld and yes, it is true that he had the power to decide whether donald should go or stay. It had nothing to do with a supreme court decision, though the way it was posted would leave you to believe it was.
Bushphobia at work again!
Posted by: mad dog | January 28, 2010, 3:49 am 3:49 am
People, people. Don’t you get it yet? Obama wants to do away with the constituion so he can be King so of course the constitution is crap to him as it is to most democrats. They want to be run by the govt which is people they don’t know and fully trust.
Posted by: Jessie | January 28, 2010, 4:42 am 4:42 am
This is to all the idiots that keep bringing up what Bush said. Please show us some kind of proof that we agreed with Bush at the time he said it and you may have something to stand on but for now, shut the hell up about Bush and take the responsibility for electing this total and complete village idiot into office named OBAMA!
Posted by: Jessie | January 28, 2010, 4:44 am 4:44 am
(2006-06-30) — Just a day after the Supreme Court issued a stinging rebuke of the Bush administration’s use of military tribunals for terror suspects, President George Bush announced today that he had signed an executive order setting aside the high court’s decision.
“As I’ve mentioned before, I listen to all voices, but mine is the final decision,” said Mr. Bush. “I’m the decider and I decide what’s best.”
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Right wing posters on here are either ignorant of history or hypocrites – usually alternating.
You post made up things about Obama, we’ll post made up things about Bush.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 4:58 am 4:58 am
Jessie-
AAHAAHAHAHA!!Oh my, Dems don’t believe in the constitution. Oh how soon we forget how Bush trampled all over the Constitution.
And it always made me wonder how a country could vote for the Bush’s when the father of Bush senior, by the name of Prescott Bush was Hitler’s banker during WW2. Absolutely true. Look it up. America froze Mr. Bush’s assets after the war.
Posted by: truthhurtsu | January 28, 2010, 5:39 am 5:39 am
People, people. Don’t you get it yet? Obama wants to do away with the constituion so he can be King so of course the constitution is crap to him as it is to most democrats. They want to be run by the govt which is people they don’t know and fully trust.
Posted by: Jessie | Jan 28, 2010 4:42:53 AM
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Really?
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 5:40 am 5:40 am
NO to President Obama!
Posted by: MSJ63 | January 28, 2010, 5:45 am 5:45 am
Even Linda Greenhouse at the NY Times agrees with Alito.
“Indeed, Mr. Obama’s description of the holding of the case was imprecise.”
Obama is angry that corporations can now do what only his precious SEIU and ACORN have been doing for years.
Insulting SCOTUS like that in front of Congress shows how low class Obama truly is. Bush did not act like that faced with Boumedienne. Bush had far more class than Obama.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 5:49 am 5:49 am
“You post made up things about Obama, we’ll post made up things about Bush.”
How juvenile. How baracky.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 5:51 am 5:51 am
from the AP:
“President Barack Obama, who once considered government spending freezes a hatchet job, told Americans on Wednesday it’s now part of his solution to the exploding deficit. He didn’t explain what had changed.”
Nothing has changed. Obama is the hypocrite he always has been.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 5:55 am 5:55 am
Jefferson, who seems popular with conservatives, had quite a lot to say about the Supreme Court. He actually moved to impeach a justice.
All this fussing about the poor Justices who were ‘humiliated’ by the ‘classless’ behavior of the President in offering public criticism of a decision seems to reflect a real lack of knowledge and understanding of our political system and history. Or, for some, a desire to deflect criticism by obfuscating the same.
The President’s remarks were almost verbatim from the minority decision – not even a small minority but a close vote and very upsetting for some Justices. They do seem bent on disenfranchising ordinary citizens though. They decided a Presidential election by ruling that votes NOT be counted (a shameful decision) and have now made a ruling, overturning precendent which is not a minor thing and is essentially ‘activist’, which will significantly reduce the ability of ordinary citizens to be heard in elections.
It deserved comment in a national forum.
Posted by: a reader | January 28, 2010, 5:58 am 5:58 am
Obama did look like an angry man, did’nt he. How come he has’nt showed that face before this. Someone has told him to look and sound tough, instead of that week smiley face he’s had all along. Oooh now we are going to believe you.
Posted by: Jedda | January 28, 2010, 5:59 am 5:59 am
The polite way of saying “YOU LIE!”
Posted by: cindy | January 28, 2010, 6:00 am 6:00 am
“It is true, though, that the majority wrote so broadly about corporate free speech rights as to call into question other limitations as well”
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 28, 2010 5:49:35 AM
What do you think Linda Greenhouse meant by this part of her article drjohn? Why doesn’t she expand upon it?
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 6:00 am 6:00 am
Why doesn’t she expand upon it?
You’ll have to ask her. It’s not as though she works at Newsmax. It’s the Times. They’re no friend of conservatives.
She agreed with Alito.
As I said, Obama is peeved that corporations (and don’t forget that ABC News is a corporation, and so is the NY Times) can do what ACORN and SEIU have been doing all along.
It has leveled the field. The demise of McCain-Feingold was predicted years ago.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:10 am 6:10 am
“It deserved comment in a national forum.”
Not there it didn’t. You cannot deride Joe Wilson for calling out Obama as a liar and then applaud this behavior. I doubt Jefferson sought the impeachment in a speech in front of both Houses of Congress.
Obama has no use for the law or the Constitution.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:13 am 6:13 am
Alito responded to something that HAD come before the court, which is VERY DIFFERENT from something THAT MIGHT come before the court. There is no need for appearance of having no opinion, his opinion was captured in the majority opinion of the Supreme Court.
Also, you pointed cameras at Justices why, exactly? To catch a reaction they ‘shouldn’t have’ to POTUS’s rebuke of their decision based on current law?! Puh-leese…
Posted by: N2vip | January 28, 2010, 6:17 am 6:17 am
Nothing has changed. Obama is the hypocrite he always has been.
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 28, 2010 5:55:19 AM
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The AP story says, “The proposal is similar to McCain’s.”
A horse is similar to a cow. How much different are these proposals?
Does the reporter know why they’re different – or by how much they are different? Why aren’t we told?
The reporting is weak enough that we – apparently like the reporter – are left guessing what the differences might be.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 6:18 am 6:18 am
“Tonight, I’m calling on Congress to publish all earmark requests on a single website before there’s a vote so that the American people can see how their money is being spent.”
It’ll be on CSPAN! Honest!
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:19 am 6:19 am
As I said, Obama is peeved that corporations (and don’t forget that ABC News is a corporation, and so is the NY Times) can do what ACORN and SEIU have been doing all along.
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This is not at all what your source Linda Greenhouse says in her piece. She’s the legal expert you’re quoting and she says nothing of the sort.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 6:22 am 6:22 am
The AP story says, “The proposal is similar to McCain’s.”
Of course. McCain made the proposal in the campaign and Obama bashed him for it.
Now it’s Obama’s idea?
Pure hypocrisy.
Obama called for earmark reform after signing a bill with 8500 earmarks?
Pure unadulterated hypocrisy.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice or more and I am an Obama supporter.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:22 am 6:22 am
from NRO Corner:
The president’s statement is false.
The Court held that 2 U.S.C. Section 441a, which prohibits all corporate political spending, is unconstitutional. Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibiting from making “a contribution or donation of money or ather thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election” under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case. Foreign corporations are also prohibited, under 2 U.S.C. 441e, from making any contribution or donation to any committee of any political party, and they prohibited from making any “expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication… .”
This is either blithering ignorance of the law, or demogoguery of the worst kind.
— Bradley A. Smith is Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault Designated Professor of Law at Capital University Law School
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:24 am 6:24 am
Jefferson, who seems popular with conservatives, had quite a lot to say about the Supreme Court. He actually moved to impeach a justice.
All this fussing about the poor Justices who were ‘humiliated’ by the ‘classless’ behavior of the President in offering public criticism of a decision seems to reflect a real lack of knowledge and understanding of our political system and history. Or, for some, a desire to deflect criticism by obfuscating the same.
The President’s remarks were almost verbatim from the minority decision – not even a small minority but a close vote and very upsetting for some Justices. They do seem bent on disenfranchising ordinary citizens though. They decided a Presidential election by ruling that votes NOT be counted (a shameful decision) and have now made a ruling, overturning precendent which is not a minor thing and is essentially ‘activist’, which will significantly reduce the ability of ordinary citizens to be heard in elections.
It deserved comment in a national forum.
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Interesting. I hope we’ll see some good solid research on precedents for this sort of thing – lots of people in here shooting half cocked.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 6:24 am 6:24 am
Obama’s whining really is made even mroe hypocritical since over $250 million of his money came from overseas.
From where exactly?
He’s never disclosed it. He never has to disclose anything. He’s the One.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:27 am 6:27 am
drjohn -
You seem to have confused one or two things. First the giver of the speech is expected to speak – those listening are expected to listen. When the listeners dislike what they hear they might engage in indecorous behavior by shouting, making faces, sighing, giggling and whispering to neighbors etc. So watching the reactions and coming to the conclusion that the speaker was indecorous is – well – a stretch to say the least.
Second you seem to have assumed that all people with whom you disagree hold all the opinions with which you disagree. This is just illogical. If you were able to demonstrate that I had in fact claimed that Joe Wilson was to be condemned for his behavior then you might then go on to try to demonstrate that giving a speech and reacting to one carry the same social expectations.
It might be useful if you could read some past addresses. This was certainly not the first time the Court was criticized.
Posted by: a reader | January 28, 2010, 6:31 am 6:31 am
Let’s do this one more time for the liberals:
Obama said the decision would: “open the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections.”
What does it say?
Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibiting from making “a contribution or donation of money or ather thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election” under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case.
NOT AN ISSUE IN THE CASE.
Does that help?
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:32 am 6:32 am
Four justices of the Supreme Court agreed that . .. decision “would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans” to make certain election-related expenditures.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 6:33 am 6:33 am
Actually – this is one place I agree with the President. I also believe it will open the floodgates of corporations actively campaigning for candidates it wants in office. It is an unfair advantage to for-profit entities as charitable organizations, by law, cannot be politically active or risk losing their non-for-profit status.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | January 28, 2010, 6:34 am 6:34 am
If Obama was really concerned about foreign and special interests flooding the system with money, he wouldn’t have disabled the AVS system on his campaign website, now would he?
Rules are for other people. Not for Obama.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:34 am 6:34 am
“It is an unfair advantage to for-profit entities as charitable organizations, by law, cannot be politically active or risk losing their non-for-profit status.”
What about ACORN and SEIU? Why should they be able to pour money into campaigns and other corporations not be able to do so?
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:36 am 6:36 am
” This was certainly not the first time the Court was criticized.”
No, it’s not. But I am willing to listen and read of other examples of a President bashing SCOTUS like that in a SOTU speech in the presence of both houses of Congress.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:38 am 6:38 am
I predict Obama will be forced to apologize and will suffer politically for the lack of decorum and his continued arrogance.
Posted by: Kate | January 28, 2010, 6:40 am 6:40 am
Big deal, he made a speech. Actions speak loader than words and his, so far, stink right along with congress. Socialism is a pit stop on the way to totalitarianism.
Posted by: andy | January 28, 2010, 6:40 am 6:40 am
I think I missed part of the speech- by when did Obama promise Gitmo would be closed? When will the KSM trial take place in NYC?
Anyone?
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:45 am 6:45 am
What about ACORN and SEIU? Why should they be able to pour money into campaigns
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Do you have a list of ACORN donations to political campaigns drjohn?
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 6:53 am 6:53 am
I would much rather know which corporations support which candidates…as it stands now, we have no idea where the 660 million obama got came from, do we????
Posted by: julie wnter | January 28, 2010, 6:56 am 6:56 am
“Do you have a list of ACORN donations to political campaigns drjohn?”
I have a video of Bertha Lewis saying that “we must elect” Barack Obama. Now you’re not about to suggest that ACORN is something other than hyperpartisan, I hope.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 6:57 am 6:57 am
What about ACORN and SEIU? Why should they be able to pour money into campaigns and other corporations not be able to do so?
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 28, 2010 6:36:27 AM
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You said ACORN would ‘pour money into campaigns’.
“Do you have a list of ACORN donations to political campaigns?”
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:03 am 7:03 am
I have Barack Obama payin ACORN $800,000 to work for his campaign.
And the work of volunteers is fungible.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 7:08 am 7:08 am
SHANE MCLEOD: Who is he targeting the message at? Is it the Republicans in Congress, or is he actually trying to convince his own party?
GEOFFREY GARRETT: Well all the Republicans of course were sitting in stony silence.
SHANE MCLEOD: Doing their best not to applaud.
GEOFFREY GARRETT: Even when Obama announces some they should love like tax cuts for small business. So their strategy has been just to say no to everything . . .
abc PM
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:10 am 7:10 am
“The embattled community activist group ACORN appears to be collecting charitable contributions through affiliate organizations that it then uses for impermissible lobbying and political activity, says the Republican staff of the Senate Finance Committee.”
Seattle Times
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 7:11 am 7:11 am
Someone remind me — isn’t Barack Obama an attorney also? So — if Alito violated some legal protocol, didn’t Obama do the same? Not only that — but he brought members of his own party & his Justice Department Head along w/him. Please, folks, this is truly the pot calling the kettle black!
Posted by: GSJ | January 28, 2010, 7:11 am 7:11 am
I have Barack Obama payin ACORN $800,000 to work for his campaign.
And the work of volunteers is fungible.
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 28, 2010 7:08:56 AM
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You made the claim ACORN is ‘pouring’ money into campaigns (while corporations couldn’t).
Do you have a list of donations ACORN made to campaigns?
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:12 am 7:12 am
So, tierra, what about Gitmo? The KSM trial?
Could you please point me to those parts of Obama’s speech?
TIA!
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 7:13 am 7:13 am
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 28, 2010 7:13:25 AM
Okay so we’ll accept the fact you’re unable to find any information about ACORN ‘pouring’ money into political campaigns, right?
So is this something you just made up?
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:21 am 7:21 am
“Members of Congress heard testimony against the activist group ACORN on Thursday, exposing the group’s illegal activity and mafia-style tactics.
Pittsburgh lawyer Heather Heidelbaugh appeared before the a House Judiciary subcommittee alleging that the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has violated campaign finance and tax laws in addition to their protest-for-hire and coerced donations. The source of the accusations was from the sworn testimony of ACORN whistleblower Anita MonCrief, who was a clerk for ACORN’s sister organization called Project Vote.”
A list? Right. ACORN keeps a public list of all of its illegal activities.
Posted by: drjohn | January 28, 2010, 7:22 am 7:22 am
A list? Right. ACORN keeps a public list of all of its illegal activities.
posted by: drjohn | Jan 28, 2010 7:22:05 AM ********************************
It’s ironic that John McCain also donated to ACORN.Oh…oh,THAT was different. wishful thinking!
Posted by: spacerook1 | January 28, 2010, 7:31 am 7:31 am
Posted by: drjohn | Jan 28, 2010 7:13:25 AM
Okay so we’ll accept the fact you’re unable to find any information about ACORN ‘pouring’ money into political campaigns, right?
So is this something you just made up?
Last chance, post your evidence that ACORN has been pouring money into political campaigns.
It’s okay john, I’ve made mistakes too – so no problem. But its important not to post junk you don’t know to be true and haven’t properly researched – especially when its aimed at damaging other people.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:35 am 7:35 am
More bull by Obama. Another stimulus that is supposed to create jobs. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: Cw | January 28, 2010, 7:39 am 7:39 am
I think I missed part of the speech- by when did Obama promise Gitmo would be closed? When will the KSM trial take place in NYC?
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I think the public has been kept fully informed on the issues surrounding the closure of Gitmo – and I’m sure the KSM trial dates will be announced once the case is fully prepared and ready to proceed.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:42 am 7:42 am
GEOFFREY GARRETT: Well all the Republicans of course were sitting in stony silence.
SHANE MCLEOD: Doing their best not to applaud.
GEOFFREY GARRETT: Even when Obama announces some they should love like tax cuts for small business. So their strategy has been just to say no to everything . . .
abc PM
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Strange, I saw a standing ovation of everyone when President Obama mentioned the tax cuts for jobs.
Methinks someone is trying to distort the truth.
Posted by: malcat | January 28, 2010, 7:44 am 7:44 am
ACORN?
You are kidding, right? All you guys got is one woman who lost her job at ACORN for stealing money from the organization? Please.
The group has never been shown to have done any illegal activity. Period.
All of the ‘tainted’ registrations have been marked as such by ACORN itself, because the law says they have to turn in all cards even if they know them to be false.
This is a non-issue, and a proxy for people who believe that working class people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 28, 2010, 7:47 am 7:47 am
Once again is Obama wasting our money. He should stick to his job.As long as he is on our payroll, he should remember his job, he is not a supreme court justice, nor does he have all the facts. Once again, Obama acts as though he is more than what we made him. Overreaching and making statements such as the “he acted stupidly” remark referring to the police officer who arrested the unruly professor. Obama did not sit in on the hearings, and furthermore, it is not his job to even evaluate the ruling. He is the one politicizing this ruling. He is the one keeping the American people on edge when his inflamatory comments cannot possibly change the outcome in the least. It is reported that his plan is to divide the republicans. He is merely keeping the parties divided and divisive and angry. Again, we didnt send him there to keep the animosity stirred up.
Posted by: glcars | January 28, 2010, 7:56 am 7:56 am
Long time judicial activist Alito had it coming. Kudos to Obama for calling these guys out to their face in public. Most precious isn’t the face of the activists, but the face of the other four. It screamed “told you, you idiots”
Posted by: Flash Override | January 28, 2010, 7:57 am 7:57 am
GEOFFREY GARRETT: Even when Obama announces some they should love like tax cuts for small business. So their strategy has been just to say no to everything . . .
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The President says “we cut taxes for 95% of working families, we cut taxes for small businesses, we but taxes for first time home buyers, we cut taxes for parents trying to care for thier children, we cut taxes for 8,000,000 Americans trying to pay for college.”
Everybody BUT the Republicans gave the President a standing ovation when he outlined the tax cuts.
It’s quit clear on the FOX network coverage – you can see the Republicans first from the front and then from the back – they sit without clapping while the Democrats stand and applaud the tax cuts Obama describes.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:57 am 7:57 am
Hey, here’s a crazy idea….maybe Alito is right and Obama did lie? I mean…he did promise no pork spending and yet any bill he’s passed has included huge amount of it. He said no lobbyist and yet his Admin has what 11 – 20 in it?
Posted by: mikemcdon321 | January 28, 2010, 8:04 am 8:04 am
What isn’t true, Sam? It isn’t true that you gave corporations the green light to spend all they want because they are “people” too? Thanks a lot, dude. You and Roberts and the rest of the conservative judges must be getting some kickbacks from multi-national corporations. You gave away the store.
Posted by: Bob | January 28, 2010, 8:15 am 8:15 am
What isn’t true, Sam? It isn’t true that you gave corporations the green light to spend all they want because they are “people” too? Thanks a lot, dude. You and Roberts and the rest of the conservative judges must be getting some kickbacks from multi-national corporations. You gave away the store.
Posted by: Bob | January 28, 2010, 8:16 am 8:16 am
tierra said: when they don’t have any points to make in a discussion – they insult and attack the person. Lowering the bar for behavior and ethics in America . . . weak
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Just a suggestion tierra but get a clue…the Democrats have pefected this. When anyone has even questioned Obama the first comment has been “well…they must be a racist”. When a plumber asked Obama about his “spread the wealth comment” the first thing Democrats did was to attack the plumber over and over again. It’s pretty easy to tell that you’re nothing more than a political hack.
Posted by: mikemcdon321 | January 28, 2010, 8:16 am 8:16 am
tierra – Maybe the Republicans know he is lying AGAIN! There will be NO tax cuts that mean anything or help this economy and you know it….look at their record over the past year. They could care less about CUTTING taxes, their whole purpose in life is to INCREASE them!
Posted by: M. Summer | January 28, 2010, 8:24 am 8:24 am
It’s a sad commentary on the boy who would be President when he attacks the SCOTUS and lies about campaign finance law in order to score points with the lunatic, foaming at the mouth, left.
He should be ashamed of himself.
Posted by: dale | January 28, 2010, 8:38 am 8:38 am
—The Citizens United decision changed less than a decade of law. The century of law prohibited corporations from contributing to candidates — and the Supreme Court decision DIDN’T CHANGE THAT AT ALL. Spending limits on political speech, including a pre-emptive bar on advertising by corporations and special interests within a certain time range prior to the election, only came into being through McCain-Feingold. And that was in 2002, not 1910.—(Hot Air)
The lesson, as always, is that socialist demagoguing community organizers LIE!
Posted by: Obama, You LIE, again! | January 28, 2010, 8:46 am 8:46 am
When did the reporters become lip readers?
Posted by: freedom | January 28, 2010, 8:55 am 8:55 am
We Americans need to take back our country. Voting doesn’t work. We need to march on Washington, armed, similar to what the people in Russia did in 1917, and get rid of those SOB’s.
Posted by: stan | January 28, 2010, 9:01 am 9:01 am
How unseemly for a president to scold “an independent judiciary” affirming freedom of speech, charging them with giving “foreign interests” leave to interfere in our voting process when he has so liberally granted terrorists “our” Miranda rights. The man is shameless. Absolutely shameless.
Posted by: Helen | January 28, 2010, 9:12 am 9:12 am
What an absolute disgrace. Obnama scolded The Supreme Court, and just about everyone else Obama treated everyone as though they were recalcitrant children, and he was the headmaster. Obama has no idea how to act as a President, the only thing he knows how to do is spend money and ruin America.
Posted by: Valerie Tarantolo | January 28, 2010, 9:20 am 9:20 am
I would rather have a domestic entity like ACORN pouring money into American campaigns than say, UAE, Iran, China.
Posted by: krenz | January 28, 2010, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Absolutely shameless.
Posted by: Helen | Jan 28, 2010 9:12:52 AM
Riiiight. One branch of government shouldn’t criticize the decision of another branch– how awful. And nobody has the right to dissent about recent decisions which is why no one on the Right moans about Roe v. Wade.
And lip reading is a great service provided by our media. Very useful and newsworthy.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 9:39 am 9:39 am
“I would rather have a domestic entity like ACORN pouring money into American campaigns than say, UAE, Iran, China.”
Posted by: krenz | Jan 28, 2010 9:25:14 AM
Except that ACORN is getting its money from taxpayers in the form of government grants, and then funneling it exclusively into Democrat campaigns.
The DNC calls it “The Circle of Life.”
Posted by: Obamatopia | January 28, 2010, 9:39 am 9:39 am
That was the most partisan SOTU speech ever. Obama is a comploete idiot and will not be win another election.
He does not act like a president and what he did last night to teh supreme court was completely in the wrong. I can only hope that resigns asap.
Obama is the worst president ever and is an embarassment to the United States.
Posted by: Guepou | January 28, 2010, 9:40 am 9:40 am
So Obama does about the best STOU I’ve seen in years and since repulican’s can’t stand it now “scold” is their buzzword to shame him. How funny, when ALL THEY DO is scold Obama. Scold liberals. They are the kings and queens of scold. So I guess they’d know what it means.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Glenn Greenwald explains a bit more why the media are reporting on it, so maybe I was a little harsh on the media, as Greenwald makes good points:
“There’s a reason that Supreme Court Justices — along with the Joint Chiefs of Staff — never applaud or otherwise express any reaction at a State of the Union address. It’s vital — both as a matter of perception and reality — that those institutions remain apolitical, separate and detached from partisan wars. The Court’s pronouncements on (and resolutions of) the most inflammatory and passionate political disputes retain legitimacy only if they possess a credible claim to being objectively grounded in law and the Constitution, not political considerations. The Court’s credibility in this regard has — justifiably — declined substantially over the past decade, beginning with Bush v. Gore (where 5 conservative Justices issued a ruling ensuring the election of a Republican President), followed by countless 5-4 decisions in which conservative Justices rule in a way that promotes GOP political beliefs, while the more “liberal” Justices do to the reverse (Citizens United is but the latest example). Beyond that, the endless, deceitful sloganeering by right-wing lawyers about “judicial restraint” and “activism” — all while the judges they most revere cavalierly violate those “principles” over and over — exacerbates that problem further (the unnecessarily broad scope of Citizens United is the latest example of that, too, and John ‘balls and strikes” Roberts may be the greatest hypocrite ever to sit on the Supreme Court). All of that is destroying the ability of the judicial branch to be perceived — and to act — as one of the few truly apolitical and objective institutions.
Justice Alito’s flamboyantly insinuating himself into a pure political event, in a highly politicized manner, will only hasten that decline. On a night when both tradition and the Court’s role dictate that he sit silent and inexpressive, he instead turned himself into a partisan sideshow — “
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 9:43 am 9:43 am
I bet if Bush had told the Supreme Court Roe V. Wade was wrong the cheers would erupt.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Obama seems to have a problem with the Constitution. If we could just get that out of the way everyone would be better off right Mr. President. Then you could Re-Educate us and we would all Understand You know whats best for us. Oh and we wouldn’t catch on to the fact that you are trying to use banks as the scapegoats. Babble On Blaming Barry!
Posted by: Rick | January 28, 2010, 9:46 am 9:46 am
So Obama does about the best STOU I’ve seen in years and since repulican’s can’t stand it now “scold” is their buzzword to shame him. How funny, when ALL THEY DO is scold Obama. Scold liberals. They are the kings and queens of scold. So I guess they’d know what it means.
Posted by: secondlook | Jan 28, 2010 9:41:24 AM
It was the best SOTU I’ve listened to in a long time. And what’s funny is that while you would think the Right would be recognize “scolding” as they engage in it nonstop 24/7– they misapply it. His tone was energized and good-natured. My husband is an independent– one of those Obama is supposed to be losing– and he doesn’t understand the right’s characterization of him at all. He thought the speech was great and likes Obama a lot, and thinks the Right’s reax are bizarro.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
The arrogance of this man is beyond comprehensible. He still doesn’t get it and continues to talk down to everyone who fails to follow his ideology like lemmings. He treats this country like garbage. The sooner he is out of office the better for all Americans.
Posted by: Laura | January 28, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am
“It was the best SOTU I’ve listened to in a long time.”
Sure – If you have a partisan / what can big government do for you / Obama can do no wrong / Bush did it! viewpoint. For the rest of us it was pretty painful.
“My husband is an independent– one of those Obama is supposed to be losing–”
Um, check the polls – He IS losing independents. If you need more proof, check results of elections in NJ, VA, and MA.
Posted by: tjp612 | January 28, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Have ALL of Obama’s 2008 campaign contributions from shadowy foreign entities been tracked down?
The pot once again calls the kettle black.
Posted by: tjp612 | January 28, 2010, 9:55 am 9:55 am
The President overstepped his Executive authority. There are three branches of government that are separate but equal. He used this platform to intimidate our Judicial Branch. All media networks are owned by corporations – ABC is owned by Disney, NBC by GE, Fox by Rupert Murdock. Do you think they get their money from charities? Do you think they don’t reflect the ideologies of the corporation? If you think so, then why does NBC push the green initiative that will tremendously benefit GE?
The question that I leave you with isd, “How can the Supreme Court justices be out of touch with America today when their sole responsibility is to interpret the Constitution?”
Posted by: djaymick | January 28, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Thanks to President the world no longer fears or hates us. They laugh at us, but at least they don’t hate us.
Posted by: hkdakota | January 28, 2010, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Interesting that he scolds the republicans for standing in the way for not accomplishing even one bill that made it to his office. Hello! What about the 11 months he had a 61 seat majority? Why could they not produce one bill? Could it be they were bad bills? Nice way to reach accross the isle to garner support. He reaches accross the isle to slap their face. Why would they support him?
Posted by: Debbie | January 28, 2010, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Corporate fronts will begin to hijack political campaigns!! That is a fact.
Posted by: JOE | January 28, 2010, 10:04 am 10:04 am
The country is a battle ground of yeahs and nays, historians, its your fault not ours, blame gamers, growlers in unison and every one has an axe to grind, I wish I were in the AXE business.
This is supposed to be a free country?
The people have let politics destroy our lives. We have tried to let wall street run the country, Its there way or no way.
Cheap wages high prices, detest minimum wage raise, what do they do to earn respect of ordinary citizens, close to absolutely Nothing. Supreme court highly political, decisions they make not to individuals, but corporate effects lives of thousands of people. I would like to see them try only minor case, they cannot be trusted to do the right thing, Kings you bet.
Talk about debt, Reagan showed the USA
how to borrow money, to take place of tax breaks for the Rich. When he left office USA Owed two Trillion seven hundred Billion, more than all the presidents combined, before him even two world wars, plus Vietnam, Father of borrowing instead of all paying there fair share of taxes and spending Wisely. Republican?
Posted by: THWTCO | January 28, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am
I guess the new astro-turf meme from the left is, “I am an independent” and Obama’s speech convinced them to go off the cliff with him, eh?
Posted by: jennifert7 | January 28, 2010, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Progressive Momma: I guess you and your independent husband support hyprocrisy and a liar. Lets look at his speech and fact check his words. He talked about the lack of transparency, lobbyists and the supreme courts ruling on the freedom of speech ruling and fearing big cororporations may influence elections. Lets look at Obamas cabinent and what do we find four former lobbyists appointed by obama himself. Transparency what a joke this is. He was responsible for making deals with big pharma, AARP and the AMA to try to get his health care bill passed. This doesnt even include the deals made to certain senators to get the votes he needed. And if he was so concerned about anybody influencing elections then why does he have no problems with the billions of dollars donated to his party by the Unions and outside influences like Moveon.org which is mainhly funded by an outside influence of Boros’ billion of dollares. Face it he is full of lies and the americaan people are tired of it and his consistent attacks on everything he does not like. He is played out and will be a lame duck president the rest of his term.
Posted by: Stanley | January 28, 2010, 10:09 am 10:09 am
I just think about my kids. What is this presidents behavior teaching them? He has disrespected the supreeme court on national tv in a forum where they are supposed to sit there and take it. Fredom of speech is wonderful, but I was taught respect. Just because you can dosen’t mean you should.
Posted by: Sara | January 28, 2010, 10:10 am 10:10 am
He treats this country like garbage. T
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With all due respect, most of us weren’t watching reruns of past spee he’s not the one treating the country, the constitution, and the intelligence and spirit of the American people like garbage to be exploited and manipulated.
LOL!! Its quite the opposite. He reminded the American people why the majority voted for him and, in fact, most people viewed the speech positively. He also demonstrated a strong and pragmatic grasp of the difficult situation he inherited, the difficulties of the past year, and the difficult position in which he and Dems in Congress find themselves presently. He was sensitive to our challenges. His tone was energized and likable. Rhetorically, he focused on jobs. And while he reached out to Republicans, he, like many of us, recognizes that a scorched earth policy isn’t admirable. He gets it. God help us all if the Republicans end up at the helm again. They have no ideas and no credibility.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Obama’s behavior towards the Supreme Court last night was disgusting and despicable. Justice Alito is correct by the way – The president’s statement is untrue about foreign corporations being able to contribute money now towards our elections.
The Court held that 2 U.S.C. Section 441a, which prohibits all corporate political spending, is unconstitutional. Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibited from making “a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election” under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case. Foreign corporations are also prohibited, under 2 U.S.C. 441e, from making any contribution or donation to any committee of any political party, and they prohibited from making any “expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication.”
Posted by: Pat Riot | January 28, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am
I am one of those folks who embarked on the dream of a lifetime, to open my own business. Unfortunately, I signed the lease on my building on April 1st 2007. (Yes, Aprils fools day) By December of 2007 our country was officially in recession. My life savings and mortgage are on the line along with a significant amount of money from a very small investor. I am very good at what I do, and I have lots of very happy clients. I just don’t have enough of them because of the recession. If you have a job, go to a local small business today and buy something! We are struggling out here. I’ve got a wife and four kids to feed. We need help now!!! Can anyone spare some “CHANGE”?!?!
Posted by: dave | January 28, 2010, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I guess the new astro-turf meme from the left is, “I am an independent” and Obama’s speech convinced them to go off the cliff with him, eh?
Posted by: jennifert7 | Jan 28, 2010 10:09:30 AM
I don’t know. The Tea Partiers are the ones who know about astroturf memes. My cousin sends me her memos in hopes I’ll dumb down some time soon.
Small business owner independents– like my husband– heard good things in the speech and realize Republicans don’t actually ever do anything that is beneficial.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 10:16 am 10:16 am
OUR PRESIDENT ACTS LIKE A CHILD PLAYING AT RUNNING OUR COUNTRY. I JUST HOPE WE CAN MAKE IT FOR 3 MORE YEARS WHEN HE CAN BE VOTED OUT.
Posted by: JEAN MOLINA | January 28, 2010, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Alito is right. Look up fact check on Obama’s speech.
Posted by: Cw | January 28, 2010, 10:18 am 10:18 am
What is it you would like him to say? Seriously, I just did my taxes and recieved a higher tax refund and paid less taxes. This was after my husband earned the most he has in his professional life. Whether you agree with his idieology, you have no right to think he is acting to drive this country into the ground! Take a step back, take a breath and realize rep or dem, everyone is trying to make this a better place but now because so many people dont get exactly what they want they are going to put their political representive on notice. No wonder they are screaming at each other, they cant make the hard decisions and protect their jobs! Polictical offices should not be a profession but a call to serve your country. Too many people lived high on the horse while others lived pay check to pay check, and now so many want to cry wolf because they finally are feeling the squeeze. Why didn’t you take a step back when times were good and help the less fortunate, no you rode that horse till it was dead and now you want to cry wolf and blame it on the dems for trying anything to make it better. Better watch out, because when the oil is gone it will be the same. Why not try to be proactive now and save yourself the worry (blame) later? My rant maybe disorganized but you all know that the argueing and backstabbing is just costing you more tax dollars and mean while the country and economy is still suffering…..take a step back, think about what you want and tell people what you would like Obama to change so that we can make this work-STOP WITH THE BLAME GAME.
Posted by: AmyY | January 28, 2010, 10:18 am 10:18 am
The bottom line is Alito was right and Obama was yet telling another lie.
The president’s statement is not true about foreign corporations being able to contribute money now towards our elections.
The Court held that 2 U.S.C. Section 441a, which prohibits all corporate political spending, is unconstitutional. Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibited from making “a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election” under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case. Foreign corporations are also prohibited, under 2 U.S.C. 441e, from making any contribution or donation to any committee of any political party, and they prohibited from making any “expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication.”
Posted by: Pat Riot | January 28, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Yeah, yeah, yeah….so he can give a good speech. We all know that. Problem is he does not have the experience to back up his words. He also is an embarassment to this nation in his words of censor toward the Supreme Court. How dare a Jr. Senator with minimal legal experience call into question the actions of the Supreme Court. To all of you saying the SC is no good because of the Bush/Gore decision…you would have been thrilled had it gone your way and you know. Admit it and just quit with that old argument. FYI to all the Bush bashers….he is no longer in the WH…this is a new era. This is all on Obama and he is screwing it up. Not impressed. Looking forward to Hillary challenging him in 2012….that would be awesome!
Posted by: not impressed | January 28, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Posted by: Stanley | Jan 28, 2010 10:09:50 AM
It would be more useful to people dealing with reality to run your post through fact check. You like facts loose, biased and untethered from reality, I see. Is Obama’s admin more transparent than Bush’s or Clinton’s? Are there fewer lobbyists? Yes, and yes.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
I don’t think that muttering something under your breath counts as open, public agreement or disagreement with the President during his State of the Union speech. I wasn’t there to see it, but I can imagine that if story-hungry reporters didn’t have their cameras trained on Alito, no one would have noticed his self-comments. Trying to say that an audience to the President has to sit like statues with poker faces violates free speech — not to mention *free thought*, since mumbling to yourself is just one step away from simply thinking a thought. The only audience members I might hold to that standard would be the Chiefs of Staff, since the President is their boss.
Posted by: knowerseeker | January 28, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Absolute worst speech, all talk again and gonna be no action.. The majority of people do not trust this guy and they definitely did not like what he had to say. I am sure all the obamabots were lining up smiling and ready to shine his shoes, but for all the rest of us Americans, nothing new!
Posted by: JustUnfair | January 28, 2010, 10:25 am 10:25 am
It’s not the same as what Joe “You lie!” Wilson did.
Posted by: knowerseeker | January 28, 2010, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Can anyone spare some “CHANGE”?!?!
Posted by: dave | Jan 28, 2010 10:14:00 AM
I do my best to support independent and small biz owners– so I’d love to give you some business. Problem is that on here people are all about turning the country into Wal-Mart. I doubt you’ll get any takers by soliciting here unless you can offer up cheap stuff made by child laborers in a foreign country and you pay your employees wages that don’t meet the standard of living rates in most areas.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 10:26 am 10:26 am
the real question is.. barry said WHAT?? how typical of this unpresidential president to deviate from decorum and criticize another branch of govt, all because he didnt agree with the decision (politically motivated of course). this is why we have seperation of power, so no one person or branch controls the entire govt, he should know this supposedly, being a constitutional scholar from the so called esteemed college of hahvard
Posted by: jlibertas | January 28, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
I do not like the Supreme court ruling but I like even less that Obama took the time to scold the supreme court in the State of the Union – he knows nothing about decorum. I also agreed with the sentiment expressed by the SC Representative when he yelled that Obama lied – but I did not agree that that was the forum to express himself.
I would think the President’s speech writers and advisors would guide him more carefully – but then they are all chicago thugs, so what can you expect.
Posted by: cam | January 28, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Say, mama, don’t you have more “Ellie Light” astroturf letters to photocopy for David Axelrod and mail to newspaper editors??
Posted by: Libs, and the Lying Liars Who Elect Them | Jan 28, 2010
One person is the same as Koch brother supported astroturf tea partiers in your world? No wonder you’re so confused and projecting your weaknesses onto libs.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
cw, no one on the left will dare do a fact check. They want to remain blindly devoted to this whiny baby president we have. his approval rating today is 48%. I don’t think his speech of lies, whining and finger pointing helped him. He is so full of sh#t and I am so tired of his blame games. He is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. Is his term up yet? Notice how the lefties who keep complaining about this sc vote disregard the proof everyone is offering to prove Obama doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Thought he was suppose to be brillant
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | January 28, 2010, 10:32 am 10:32 am
excellent speech im glad he hit the right for kinda blaming him latetly for the mess the left inherited. that seem to be forgotten and i hated the bail outs but honestly we probably would be in a depression had he not considering the BANKS really do run this country on just about every aspect, had they not got there greedy paws on the money unemployment would be doubled for sure bc small business even big businesses at that time were hurting BIG. i just watced a dvd i had from last april and yeh people were scared paranoid our stocks were at 7,000.. WE ARE BETTER OFF so far than a year ago, and i think we’ll be better off next year as well. Hell say what u want about clinton but he had us in a surplus, if obamas following his footsteps we should b ok
Posted by: nic | January 28, 2010, 10:33 am 10:33 am
secondlook-President Obama’s SOTU speech was the most cogent message to come out of Washington in a long time.He was as the leader of the free world should be-articulate,and to the point.If the rest of the world dislikes us,and I believe that they do,the accolade for that perception belongs on Bush43′s plate.That’s what happens when you invade another country on the flimsy pretext of WMD,which I might add,were never found.Concerning SCJ Alito,he proved,once again,that he lacks the refinement of character to keep his emotions in check.If anyone embarrassed the country,it was Alito.Your problem with President Obama is clear to anyone of nominally normal intelligence.I suppose,in your view Rosa Parks should have up her seat on that bus.Google her and learn an important piece of this country’s history.
Posted by: avenging angel | January 28, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am
the proof everyone is offering
Who’s “everyone”? — if you read the dissents and measured rather than knee-jerk reads of the case and the decision, most are not cut and dried. Try Glenn Greenwald, Kevin Drum and Will Wilkinson, for example. Obama has a point, one worth considering rather than simply being against.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Why bring up an “unusual” response from a supreme court justice without also discussing the “unusual” move of the President publicly lambasting an EQUAL part of government in a SOTU address???
Posted by: HoosierValues | January 28, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am
You people who heap criticism on the POTUS for criticizing the SOTUS need to look in the mirror and figure out who is being disrespectful. Or do not you see the irony in the situation? This whole article is a prefect example of what Obama was talking about further in this speech on how the MSM is endlessly whipping up controversy out of thin air to breed discourse. Give it a break, Jake.
Posted by: dyna | January 28, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Who the hell is Obama to stand there and insult the Supreme Court and then have the Democrat “lap-dogs” clap?? Obama is an elected official, the Supreme Court are appointed officials. Obama’s term is over in 2012; the Supreme Court is there for life. Here is a weasel Obama, who as a lawyer never tried a case in court, now insulting the Surpreme Court’s decision? Hopefully the Supreme Court will remember Obama’s insult when Obama’s eligibility status case appears in their court soon.
Posted by: Peter King | January 28, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am
seriously, the supreme court overturned federal and state campaign laws…passed by the people-for the people…It certainly was worth a mention-and i whole hearedly agree…something needs to be done to circumvent that decision…Kudos to obama for chastising them
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 10:53 am 10:53 am
So, once again Obama is being called a liar. This time by a SCJ. Priceless!
Posted by: bo | January 28, 2010, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Obama can just stand there and LIE his hind-end off!!! —- No lobbyists in his administration? (try 12)– Transparent? (yeah, healthcare reform was real transparent) — Jobs #1 (where have you been the last year)? — Fiscally responsible? (after a year of pigging out at the deficit trough) — Integrity for the people? (Does that include the LA, NE, and union bribes?) — Come on people, he doesn’t mean anything he says!!!!
Posted by: HoosierValues | January 28, 2010, 10:55 am 10:55 am
OBAMA: “Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections.”
I believe that Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito was saying, “That’s not true,” with regards to foreign corporations being allowed to make political contributions.
Posted by: James Danley | January 28, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Letting Corporations control the political process should be something that the left and right agree on. Corporation should NOT be people!
Posted by: Jenni | January 28, 2010, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Posted by: avenging angel | Jan 28, 2010 10:44:28 AM…………… You might want to re-read again because I can’t imagine why you decided I had Obama angst. I’m on your side here.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Who the hell is Obama to stand there and insult the Supreme Court …
Insult? Or dissent? Is dissent patriotic or not so much in your world?
Its President Obama…btw.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 10:58 am 10:58 am
I particularly liked the part of the speech where he said “NO” as a contribution of the republican party, and being obstructionist, for political purposes-is not considered…leadership…which is what is needed in these times
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 10:59 am 10:59 am
cowgirl — The part of the law the supreme court voted as unconstitutional they felt directly interefered with 1st amendment rights! — It only included money used to express their opinions in media outlets, it doesn’t change limits contributed to camapigns or candidates.
Posted by: HoosierValues | January 28, 2010, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Loved it, loved it! People applauding as Obama called out these corporate loving hacks for their disastrous decision. The SCOTUS is a joke. Supposedly it renders unbiased interpretation of our laws but it’s acutally just an extension of the Democratic/republican ideology. Can we get term limits for these jokers, too?
Posted by: pamp205 | January 28, 2010, 11:00 am 11:00 am
I really don’t care if foreign corporations can or can’t contribute. Since a corporation can’t fight in a war or give birth I do not agree with this ruiling whatsoever, and I stand with Obama. We are already the US of big business around here and this just adds to it.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 11:02 am 11:02 am
I wasn’t too impressed with the speech. There was little humility in Obama’s tone, even as he spoke humble words.
But I did love when he pointed out that the GOP came in with a $200 billion per year surplus and left him with a huge debt and huge built-in future debts.
When GOP Congressmen complain about deficit spending now, it absolutely infuriates me – as it should everyone – for what one mid-2000′s GOP Senator called “reckless spending” that put us in the hole we’re in and will constrain future programs.
Thank God I have a fully funded pension that doesn’t depend on Washington, because I only expect to get about 60-75% of the Social Security I should receive in another decade after the no-health-reform costs of Medicare B kick-in, not to mention higher premiums from the supplemental insurance in my pension.
Posted by: The_Mick | January 28, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am
whatsgoingonhere – The funniest thing I’ve just read is the left never factchecks. This from the side of “teleprompter, birth certificate, socialism, elitists, Sarah Palin is so honest, Sarah Palin is “just like me.”
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Where was Scalia in this picture? Off hunting with Cheney again no doubt?
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am
progressive —- I guess somebody has to “earn” respect —- I respect the position, but not this fraud and huckster!!
Posted by: HoosierValues | January 28, 2010, 11:06 am 11:06 am
The Supreme Court decision to uphold the Constitution of the United States and reject censorship on free speech deserves our deepest gratitude for returning the voice of freedom to politics. And yes, corporations are people, just as families are people. Whether money is earned from fund-raising, personal labor or inheritance should make no difference upon our ability to use it to advertise as free people, individals or companies. The playing field of opportunity is equal and fair among us all. Scott Brown raised over a million dollars a day because people believed in his message. If you have something good that benefits the poeple, people will rally behind you and support it. Nothing can stop it.
Posted by: Daniel James | January 28, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Peter King, you DO know that “Obama’s eligibility status case” was thrown out of court as having no basis in fact and a frivolous lawsuit a couple of years ago, right? And that there is now nothing even remotely resembling “Obama’s eligibility status case” to even come before the Supreme Court?
Posted by: JaylahPriest | January 28, 2010, 11:12 am 11:12 am
When GOP Congressmen complain about deficit spending now, it absolutely infuriates me
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Me, too. It also bewilders me that many Americans think if they do the exact same thing again, they’ll get different results.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am
secondlook-President Obama’s SOTU speech was the most cogent message to come out of Washington in a long time.He was as the leader of the free world should be-articulate,and to the point.If the rest of the world dislikes us,and I believe that they do,the accolade for that perception belongs on Bush43′s plate.That’s what happens when you invade another country on the flimsy pretext of WMD,which I might add,were never found.Concerning SCJ Alito,he proved,once again,that he lacks the refinement of character to keep his emotions in check.If anyone embarrassed the country,it was Alito.
Posted by: avenging angel | January 28, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am
rather corporations then unions(some with a known hist. of mob ties) be able to contribute. we can always boycott their products. perhaps gates is going to come out? the right to life gang who sat out the last election because the Gop candidate wasn’t pure enough can look forward to Obama picking the next justice.
Posted by: madmax | January 28, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am
In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens—part of the majority in the two previous opinions that were overruled—called the majority opinion “a rejection of the common sense of the American people, who have…fought against the distinctive corrupting potential of corporate electioneering since the days of Theodore Roosevelt.” To underscore his distress, Justice Stevens took the unusual step of reading much of his 90-page dissent from the bench.
Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor joined the dissent, which accused the majority of seizing on a minor case dealing with the application of McCain-Feingold to upend a long history of statutes and judicial opinions.
The majority’s rationale “comes down to nothing more than its disagreement” with precedent, Justice Stevens wrote, and its opinion “is essentially an amalgamation of resuscitated dissents” from those cases.
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 11:18 am 11:18 am
well i allways thought that the supreme court of our country was there to protect the american people. now it seems that they have been put there to protect the big corps. and certain politicians. now who is going to protect us?
Posted by: encie 56 | January 28, 2010, 11:18 am 11:18 am
cowgirl: Wanting to change and seeing how things could be better by PROGRESSING in to the future rather than holding on to the past is not a brain disorder.
What a joke.
Posted by: Adam | January 28, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Alito and the rest in attendance should have just shouted “You Lie” at every pause. They’d have been right and it would have added to the entertainment value. The speech, like Obama himself, was a dud.
Posted by: Erik | January 28, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am
adam-since when has been going backwards 2 decades called …progressing…you had better find a new approach if you are going to defend the SC decision…LOL
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Obama is a wimpy little bully hiding behind a pulpit. He’s Rev Wright minus the cussing, dancing, and yelling.
He is classless and unpresidential.
Posted by: kyle | January 28, 2010, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Obama never complained about stealing UNION DUES for his 08 campaign.
Get real people. Somehow UNIONS SPENDING MONEY ON CAMPAIGN’S is ok, but CORP’s are not???
What is the difference between the SEIU and any major American corporation, like Proctor and Gamble?
Answer: None
Remember Obama told us no lobbyists in the WH? Yeah and how many are on the payroll in his admin? At least 30…
Hmmm…..
Mr Hopefully Changiness is finished.
The only thing transparent about this admin is how woefully under qualified Obama was and is for this job. The media is at fault for that.
Posted by: halo | January 28, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Obama is an embarrassment.
How does he make himself feel better?
Humiliate someone else.
He needs psychological help.
Posted by: millie | January 28, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am
The only thing transparent about this admin is how woefully under qualified Obama was and is for this job. The media is at fault for that.
Posted by: halo | Jan 28, 2010 11:32:50 AM
And you can name administrations of the past that were equally or more transparent?
NO???
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Obama doesn’t quit.
That’s OK because we will take away his power in November.
And in 2012 he won’t have to quit–we will vote him out.
Posted by: mick | January 28, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
People, people, Its only men and women on the SC. They are not God. They too are capable of human error and that decision Obama let them know he didn’t like sure was an error. I guess you are all saying you want some foreign person, with a lot of money, oil and clout, making election decisions for you in this country right? Okay, then, get ready for a Tienanmen Square experience, or worse yet, political prisoners locked up for life if they disagree with their governments. Be careful not to let them hear you once they get their puppet in. Shhh, don’t let them hear you voice your opinion which will be a thing of the past for Americans if they get their way.
Posted by: Ron | January 28, 2010, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Aren’t most media outlets corporations?
Posted by: SCS | January 28, 2010, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Can corporations reproduce in their own image? Can corporations feel emotion? Do corporations have hunger pangs? Can they breathe or drink? Do they cry or laugh? Do they go to the toilet? If yes to these questions, then explain how corporations are people.
Posted by: rich | January 28, 2010, 11:40 am 11:40 am
I’ve only watched the last 12 or 13 SOTU addresses, but I don’t remember any president mentioning the Supreme Court other than to thank someone who was retiring for their service to the country. I thought it was shameful to mention a Supreme Court decision and try to score political points against them. Also, it bad politics. It makes Obama look very arrogant. Like he believes he’s better at deciding cases than the 9 top judges in the country.
Posted by: tamcamry | January 28, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Its all a moot point america has been sold long ago. The goverment doesnt represent to people and hasnt in decades, they represent their own issues which is usually how full they can get their own pockets in the taxpayers money. This ruling by the so called neutral justices just shows how arrogant the rulling parties of the US have become. Corporations and special intrest groups run this country and always will unless something causes a mass exodus from washington of the rich and privilaged.
Posted by: mj meadows | January 28, 2010, 11:44 am 11:44 am
The ruling not only strikes down the federal requirement, it also calls into question similar provisions enacted by nearly half the states. “States like Montana, whose people adopted a corporate electioneering law by initiative in 1912, have distinct and compelling histories of corporate domination in the political process that the court did not address,” said Montana State Solicitor Anthony Johnstone, who filed a brief on behalf of 26 states seeking to affirm the precedents
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Same old same old. Obama’s ‘gift’ as he likes to call it, seems to have faded as much as his policies. I find him a total bore who just keeps saying the same thing over and over like a broken record. He just doesn’t get it.
Posted by: anitlaen2 | January 28, 2010, 11:46 am 11:46 am
“At the federal level, the primary source of campaign funds is individuals; political action committees are a distant second. Contributions from both are limited, and direct contributions from corporations and labor unions are prohibited.”… This was before this ruiling. This debunks “the unions put Obama in office.” However, I guess they will help with that now.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 11:46 am 11:46 am
@progressive mama
Yeah, I can.
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
Recently.
Ike
JFK (excluding extra-marital affairs)
Are you willing to acknowledge that in this day and age of the media JFK would NEVER HAVE BEEN ELECTED?
But you really don’t care about facts, do you?
The AMERICAN MEDIA FAILED IN THEIR FAWNING OVER OBAMA. THEY FAILED IN THEIR BASIC MISSION TO INFORM THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO THEY WERE VOTING FOR.
Why: Because the media didn’t want to be labelled “racist” for asking tough questions.
Result: Proof that not only is Women’s Lib dead, but that this country is one hell of a sexist nation.
A man with 1/3 the experience of Ms Clinton was allowed to run and she was pushed aside.
So, Progressive Mama, what do you think about that???
Posted by: halo | January 28, 2010, 11:48 am 11:48 am
@SCS
Yes they are, that is why such a big deal is made over what candidate the endorse.
Posted by: halo | January 28, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am
tamcamry…No, it makes the judges look arrogant-for striking down the will of the american people and states rights…being “activist” judges…which is always a complaint of the right
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am
“I guess you are all saying you want some foreign person, with a lot of money, oil and clout, making election decisions for you in this country right?” Posted By Ron
Fact Check: Current federal law prevents “a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country” from making, “directly or indirectly,” a donation or expenditure “in connection with a federal, state, or local election,” to a political party committee or “for an electioneering communication.”
Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 28, 2010, 11:51 am 11:51 am
halo, I think you guys love to say the media got a democrat elected to justify a loss. The same media that was there when GWB was elected.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 11:51 am 11:51 am
@Progressive Mama
Can you tell me how the SEIU and corporations are different?
I answered your question, please answer mine.
Posted by: halo | January 28, 2010, 11:52 am 11:52 am
This guy is out of control….he just don’t get it….wont stop till he destroys America….Talks about bipartisanship but is sooo bios and not willing to listen to the people!!!! OBAMA YOUR A FOOL!!!!
Posted by: IZZY | January 28, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am
wheresmymoney….perhaps you may have missed the fact..many corporations are owned by or have connections to foreign countrys????
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Well me see, did he forget to blame anyone?
In anyone’s book, blame is NOT leadership.
This guy is not a leader.
Blame the Supreme Court; he has always thought he was smarter than anyone else – including the SCOTUS, even after he appointed the most bigoted, racist, and sexist to ever sit on the court.
He even blamed voters. Now, I have a problem with that. He does not listen.
He is supposed to be in charge but apparently not. He is apparently not responsible for anything.
Posted by: Last Ranger | January 28, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Who does he think he is???? that he can just push whoever he wants around and we gotta take it….this guy needs serious help!!!! Something is wrong with our President!!!!
Posted by: IZZY | January 28, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am
And you can name administrations of the past that were equally or more transparent?
Posted by: progressive mama
********
Has anyone else ever promised it in campaigns?
Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 28, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Last ranger – Bush blamed two recessions, a gas crisis and 9/11 on Clinton. Reagan blamed everything on Carter. The only new thing is they’ve talked a bunch of you into thinking Obama’s the first one that has ever done this and “a real leader wouldn’t.” So I guess that means Bush and Reagan weren’t real leaders either.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Uh-huh. I was a Hilary supporter to try that one again. You are wrong, plain and simple.
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halo, I think you guys love to say the media got a democrat elected to justify a loss. The same media that was there when
Posted by: halo | January 28, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
FUNNY! We have posters here who can’t spell or use correct English grammar who are calling Obama a fool. Fortunately – or I should say at least not yet! – we don’t allow complete boobs to become high elected officials. However, I do grant that an honest boob could be preferable to a smart crook like Nixon.
Posted by: AlChemist | January 28, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
So, Progressive Mama, what do you think about that???
Posted by: halo | Jan 28, 2010 11:48:25 AM
To be honest, I’ll have to research you’re so called “recent” presidents as they’re way before my time– and think about media, the news cycle, the role that plays, how the information was disseminated, how to equalize factors for equating transparency. I certainly don’t just take your word for it, but facts are important and I’m glad you didn’t name the presidents of my lifetime cuz I’d know that was a lie. Maybe you’re right. I’ll investigate.
I agree that the media isn’t very good and sexist bias exists but I disagree with your exact take, and find it intriguing that you think your opinion is “fact.”
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
People keep talking about how judges make law. What about the Roe v. Wade decision? Activists judges made law in that decision against the majority of the people at that time period.
Posted by: Wade | January 28, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
The OBABBLE attack on the Supreme Court while the Justices were seated in the audience was unforgiveable. This fool thinks he was elected Fuhrer rather than U.S. President.
Posted by: Ron | January 28, 2010, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Thank you “wheresmymoney”
and you 100% right. See, isn’t it funny how the progressives spin, back em into a corner and they can’t answer a direct question.
Yes, he did promise it, and like all his other promises he had no intention of keeping it. Well, let me be fair, he will keep the promises that line his pockets with UNION money.
I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on, it doesn’t matter. One has to acknowledge that even if you didn’t like McCain or Hilary, both were A LOT MORE QUALIFIED THAN OBAMA
Posted by: halo | January 28, 2010, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
This guy is out of control….he just don’t get it….wont stop till he destroys America….Talks about bipartisanship but is sooo bios and not willing to listen to the people!!!! OBAMA YOUR A FOOL!!!!
Posted by: IZZY | Jan 28, 2010 11:53:13 AM
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It’s “you’re” a fool. You are.
Posted by: secondlook | January 28, 2010, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
@progressive mama
At least you can acknowledge you don’t know anything ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY’S HISTORY.
Funny, those admins were before my time too. And yet a little research bears out the facts.
My opinion IS NOT FACT.
Research proves FACTS.
Try doing some. Then look at the way the media handled Clinton and Palin and tell me that the media was HALF A CRITICAL OF OBAMA.
Nope, they weren’t and 10% unemployment rate, and folks are suffering and yet you, like other progressives, don’t care about anything other than you agenda.
Posted by: halo | January 28, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
wheresmymoney: Your are right, if you are aware of who owns an inerest in what corporation. Do you know who, how many people, and where they are from own an interest in huge organizations that do business in our country right now? If you do, I’ll vote for you for pres next time because you must be the smartest American in the country.
Posted by: Ron | January 28, 2010, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
most young Americans do not vote , however this time they did , most minorities don’t vote , this time they did because a prolific young minority
person told them they could make a difference and so it came to be, and now they are finding that it is politics as usual and there is no phoenix rising from the ashes
Posted by: John | January 28, 2010, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Big labor spends hundreds of millions of dollars on politics every cycle, especially the teachers unions. There are ways for them to get around campaign finance laws that simply do not work for corporations.
What the Supreme Court did was quite honest and straightforward. Instead of a system wherein the FEC decided who can spend what, they simply said that everyone can spend as much as they want in federal elections as long as they do not coordinate their spending with the candidate. Frankly, I don’t think a lot will change. Most of the big players were already getting around the rules anyway. That’s what lawyers and accountants do.
Posted by: Bill Sizemore | January 28, 2010, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
oh by the way children brush up on your Chinese because most of our debt is owed to China
Posted by: John | January 28, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
perhaps you may have missed the fact..many corporations are owned by or have connections to foreign countrys????
Posted by: cowgirl | Jan 28, 2010 11:57:18 AM
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Are you saying you know more than ABC News and the AP? Both have stated Obama’s accusations on this are false.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 28, 2010, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
At least Justice Alito didn’t yell, “You lie!”
Posted by: em | January 28, 2010, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. FEC “open[ed] the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections.” In fact, four justices of the Supreme Court agreed that the logic of the decision “would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans” to make certain election-related expenditures.
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Stevens: Logic of decision “would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans.” From Justice John Paul Stevens opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part in Citizens United v. FEC – an opinion joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, and Sonia Sotomayor (footnotes omitted):
If taken seriously, our colleagues’ assumption that the identity of a speaker has no relevance to the Government’s ability to regulate political speech would lead to some remarkable conclusions. Such an assumption would have accorded the propaganda broadcasts to our troops by “Tokyo Rose” during World War II the same protection as speech by Allied commanders. More pertinently, it would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans: To do otherwise, after all, could ” ‘enhance the relative voice’ ” of some ( i.e. , humans) over others ( i.e. , nonhumans). Ante , at 33 (quoting Buckley , 424 U. S., at 49). Under the majority’s view, I suppose it may be a First Amendment problem that corporations are not permitted to vote, given that voting is, among other things, a form of speech.
Stevens: Decision will “cripple” government’s ability to prevent “corporate domination of the electoral process.” Stevens also wrote:
The Court’s blinkered and aphoristic approach to the First Amendment may well promote corporate power at the cost of the individual and collective self-expression the Amendment was meant to serve. It will undoubtedly cripple the ability of ordinary citizens, Congress, and the States to adopt even limited measures to protect against corporate domination of the electoral process. Americans may be forgiven if they do not feel the Court has advanced the cause of self-government today.
I am saying…I don’t look to the media as an expert source of material
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
The Court’s blinkered and aphoristic approach to the First Amendment may well promote corporate power at the cost of the individual and collective self-expression the Amendment was meant to serve. It will undoubtedly cripple the ability of ordinary citizens, Congress, and the States to adopt even limited measures to protect against corporate domination of the electoral process. Americans may be forgiven if they do not feel the Court has advanced the cause of self-government today.
I am saying…I don’t look to the media as an expert source of material
Posted by: cowgirl | Jan 28, 2010 12:36:48 PM
Well said. The dissenting opinions are worth a read and some thought.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Folks,
FYI – The Supreme Court does not make law. They interpret law as it pertains to the Constitution of the United States to insure our rights have not been infrenged upon.
Posted by: Hadda Knuff? | January 28, 2010, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
If he can’t run the presidential side of things and and has been unable to push through his first year legislative agenda, what makes anyone think he knows enough about the law to question any supreme court decision?
Posted by: wantingbalance | January 28, 2010, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
next Republicans will say the following is just ‘free speech… laws don’t apply to tea party nuts and republicans… but they jes’ love the constitution
James O’Keefe, Mr. ACORN set up video producer was charged in a plot to tamper with the office phones of Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu, the conservative activist promised his audience at a luncheon they would be hearing about a project he was working on in New Orleans.
Authorities said two of the defendants posed as telephone repairmen in hard hats, fluorescent vests and tool belts and asked to see the phones at Landrieu’s office; one of them had a tiny camera in his helmet.
A third man is alleged to have waited outside in a car with a listening device to pick up transmissions.
O’Keefe used his cell phone to try to capture video of the scene inside, authorities said.
Posted by: Mongo Santamaria | January 28, 2010, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
I am glad to see Obama step on the Justices. Now the Justices see where they stand and perhaps this will perswade them to stand against this non president.
Posted by: Jim Rod | January 28, 2010, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Those on the political left, including President Obama, know that the rules, prior to the high court’s decision, favored their side. That’s why they were so upset when the Supreme Court leveled the playing field.
Corporations are about making money. That’s why they exist. Unions on the other hand are political animals, especially the big unions and more especially the public sector unions that benefit from the growth of taxes and government spending. While both are involved in politics, the system has come to be dominated by union influence.
Some might consider that a good thing, but in the final analysis it is probably not good for any special interest to dominate the game. Hopefully, Citizens United v
Posted by: Bill Sizemore | January 28, 2010, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Posted by: halo | Jan 28, 2010 12:07:36 PM
Unfortunately, you can’t stick to reason but have to exaggerate.
Here’s what I know. The Freedom of Information Act was signed by Johnson, post Kennedy and Truman and all the presidents you named. The Act gave the public greater access to public records. So, I have to do some research to try to figure out where you’re coming from and if you have a point as I’m not just a knee jerk naysayer. If I was I’d mention the whole Dixon Yates thing for Ike, for starters.
Posted by: progressive mama | January 28, 2010, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Haddaknuff…apparently you have never studied law…Supreme court cases carry the highest weight in legal precedent, dissenting opinions also carry some weight in legal arguments..The supreme court-in this case-reversed a 1990 test of this law at the supreme court level, as well as overturning the law at the federal and state level…It is unthinkable that they overturned state law that had been on the books since 1912
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Hopefully Citizens United v. FEC will make the system more open for everyone, though it is important that foreign interests not be allowed to influence our elections and I think Alito was shaking his head at Obama because he (Alito) doesn’t believe the court’s decision opened the door for foreign interests.
Posted by: Bill Sizemore | January 28, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Sizemore: Unions are in existence, because individuals voted to become a union…a group of workers who want to protect their rights..A corporation does not represent their workers interests…as you point out…they are looking to pad their bottom line, and line their pockets(not their workers) Because the teachers union has helped to defeat your initiatives on the ballot…gives you a slanted take on the situation.
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
I prefer to get my legal analysis from Palin, constitutional scholar, lawyer, judge, jury, quitter,.. I was impressed by her revelation that G. Washington was her fav ‘founder’.
if she’s not available, then my analysis of law comes from Scott Roeder, murderer of Dr. Tiller who, along with his group of domestic terrorists thinks that anyone who believes differently than they should be killed… yes sir.. ‘true americans all’
Posted by: Non Seq | January 28, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Posted by: Bill Sizemore
so anti-union he wants child labor sweat shops, corporation thugs murdering workers to ‘keep them in line’.. probably would like to see slavery and indentured servitude brought back also.
we all know, corporations are perfect and do no harm
Posted by: Non Seq | January 28, 2010, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
WStevens: Decision will “cripple” government’s ability to prevent “corporate domination of the electoral process.” Stevens also wrote:
The Court’s blinkered and aphoristic approach to the First Amendment may well promote corporate power at the cost of the individual and collective self-expression the Amendment was meant to serve. It will undoubtedly cripple the ability of ordinary citizens, Congress, and the States to adopt even limited measures to protect against corporate domination of the electoral process. Americans may be forgiven if they do not feel the Court has advanced the cause of self-government today.
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Alito is a disgrace – so much for impartiality. He and his cohorts actions last week have undermined the entire neutrality aspect of the Supreme Court. Shame on them!
Posted by: JEC1950 | January 28, 2010, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Jim Rod — Good point! I viewed it as disrespectful (and it was), but if it “sets the tone” for future interaction, so much the better!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | January 28, 2010, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
this non president.
Posted by: Jim Rod
what does that even mean?
Posted by: Yowsa | January 28, 2010, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
The five conservative Supremes who voted to give corporations the rights of individual citizens should be ashamed. Corporations do not vote, get drafted, get a birth certificate or a death certificate. With 90% of stocks owned by 10% of the population, this ruling gives too much influence to a small part of the population.
We need a constitutional amendment a.s.a.p. to correct this threat to our democracy.
Posted by: Lydia | January 28, 2010, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
JEC1950 — OK, I’ll make you sit in front of me for an hour listening to constant lies, and I’ll see if you can make it without grimacing or mouthing three words!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | January 28, 2010, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
In July 2000, the Oregon Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers filed a civil racketeering lawsuit against two of Sizemore’s organizations: Oregon Taxpayers United and the OTU Education Foundation. During the trial Becky Miller, Sizemore’s top aide, under protection of state and federal immunity deals, testified in detail about the unethical and illegal practices of Oregon Taxpayers United. These included alleged money laundering involving both Sizemore and Americans for Tax Reform founder Grover Norquist, as well as falsification of federal tax returns and state campaign finance reports. Additional testimony reported financial deals designed to disguise or hide the sources of funding for campaigns, as well as to allow Sizemore to personally profit from the campaigns[6][7]
After three weeks of testimony and a million dollars in union legal fees, the jury found Sizemore’s organizations guilty of racketeering, and the organizations were fined approximately $2.5 million. Sizemore refused to pay the fines and attempted to avoid the liability by changing the name of his organizations to Oregon Taxpayers Association and carrying on with business as usual.[8] After a post-trial evidentiary hearing Sizemore was found personally liable for his organization’s civil racketeering liability, and the judge shut down his 501(c)(3) education foundation. Nearly a million dollars were added to the fine as a result of Sizemore’s resistance to earlier court orders/decisions. On appeal both sides claimed victory
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Obama was absolutely right in criticizing this weeks Supreme Court ruling about corporate wealth affecting elections. What if the dictator Chavez wished to influence the next presidential election using Chevron as a conduit. They can now, thanks to the same five conservative Supreme Court justices that gave us eight years of Dubya. The word “supreme” should be lower cased from now on.
Posted by: A.Lincoln | January 28, 2010, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Lydia —- Here is the first amendment —- “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” —– Where do you read that an entity needs the right “to vote, get drafted, get a birth certificate or a death certificate” in order who have the right of FREE SPEECH???
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | January 28, 2010, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
You can’t makes laws to protect us from politicians, they find angles to get around the rules. Look at what Acorn did for Obama at Tax payer expense. Look at palosi at the direction of Obama. They close doors to the public for they could not defend there crooked dealings. Obama is the head crook make no mistake about it. He lied to us all last night and he knew it.
The bad thing is we are stuck with this bum for 3 more years OMG.
Posted by: a citizen | January 28, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
ALINCOLN — You wrote “What if the dictator Chavez wished to influence the next presidential election” —— Ha-ha, like he doesn’t try to influence (and MUCH worse) already??? — Are you a Chavez fan? Why that comparison?
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | January 28, 2010, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
loyal opposition…since corporations did NOT exist when the constitution granted those rights..they were meant for individuals..not corporations…Only the press was singled out as a group for that right
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
26 states fought to block this supreme court ruling..It is an outrage that every american should protest…overturning a century of state and federal law should be investigated
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
cowgirl – I’ll start with you because you have obviously believed the lie Dear Leader told and are continuing it. THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT OVERTURN A CENTURY OF LAW. WHAT THEY OVERTURNED WAS THE PROVISIONS OF MCCAIM-FEINGOLD WHICH WAS PASSED INTO LAW IN 2002. NO MATER HOW YOU DO THE MATH THAT IS NOT 100 YEARS.
I love idiots who donj’t know what they are talking about.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | January 28, 2010, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
This president is NOT a bum as Citizen posted…you should be ashamed of yourself. If you don’t like him that’s your opinion, but if you have to call him names you really don’t have a real honest reason not to like him. Second the Supreme Court and Alito should be ashamed of themselves! THEY SHOULD ALSO HAVE TERM LIMITS AS WELL AS CONGRESS!
Posted by: Barb | January 28, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Crabs…I would like to refer you to the 1912 law inacted in the state of Montana..that blocked corporations from undue influence on elections..it was struck down by this court ruling…Why do you think those 26 states were legally represented at this court ruling and presented evidence against this ruling??/perhaps you may want to read the WHOLE case..not an excerpt from some article
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
I find it very funny how you all were running your mouths against Bush and I might add saying some very bad things about him. Obama is a lier he has done nothing to help this country not one thing he promised and he has a democratic congress so whats up with that. I think if the justice wants to contridict Obama he has that right and I for one just loved it when that guy called him a lier out loud thats what this country is about you get to have your own opinions except it seems with Heil Obama.
Posted by: Kathy | January 28, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
No surprise that Obama would rail against the Supreme Court decision, because that will level the playing field in the next election. Obama thinks he should be the only one entitled to receive campain support from special interests and foreign sources (to this day nobody knows how this virtual unknown raised so much money via his Internet donors, nor have the sources of these donations been accounted for). Of course the Dems, who claim that the Republicans cater to big business, would prefer that big corporations not have any influence in elections because they think that will tilt the balance to the right, but they have no problems taking donations from every union in existence. Giving corporations a say, is really increasing the power of the average, WORKING/TAX-PAYING American, because it is these corporations that create jobs — something Obama says will be his #1 priority in 2010, but clearly doesn’t have a clue how to accomplish.
Posted by: prm | January 28, 2010, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Funny, no one seems to remember that the unions were included in the SC decision and we all know which party benefits from the union support. Obama’s arrogance may have just gotten the best of him.
Posted by: Not Impressed | January 28, 2010, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
A ridiculous decision by the courts setting things back 100 years.Toobad!
Posted by: talmag | January 28, 2010, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Hey citizen…you are an idiot. What the courts did was take away your rights and Obama was correct in speaking out against it. Now, there is no control on the amount of spending for any campaign and too much is spent already. We could feed a nation on that money. Also, foreign countries can now give so and you would be the first to complain when this happens. Your rights have been violated and you don’t even know it.
Posted by: talmag | January 28, 2010, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
“I love idiots who donj’t know what they are talking about.”
Like most right wingers, he practices self love.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
“Funny, no one seems to remember that the unions were included in the SC decision and we all know which party benefits from the union support. Obama’s arrogance may have just gotten the best of him.”
Is arrogance is the new right wing word for uppity?
Did you guys realize the latter made you sound too overtly racist?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
This will force the SCOTUS to refrain from attending any further Joint Sessions of Congress for fear of appearing partial. Mr. President, your job is to lead the Congress and the people of this great country. Their job, the SCOTUS, is to interpret the Constitution of this Land. If you disagree, Sir, do so in writing to them but never, ever disagree with that branch in public. That, Sir, is reprehensible and beneath the Office of POTUS. You, personally have changed protocol for a long long time with this outburst of “opinion” without asking any “One Justice” as to how or why they came to the decision they rendered. They, Sir, have remained silent while you have to wallow in your own words. You have brought shame upon your Office. Shame you may not ever wash away. Time will tell. Is there anything else inanely stupid you’d like to say, Sir?
Posted by: WhatChange? | January 28, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Cowgirl – The states argument was not to have the Supreme Court overturn Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce which was a decision made in 1990. Once again nowhere close to 100 years.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | January 28, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
The OBABBLE attack on the Supreme Court while the Justices were seated in the audience was unforgiveable. This fool thinks he was elected Fuhrer rather than U.S. President
Posted by: Ron | Jan 28, 2010 12:02:59 PM
Ron, I love you your blog: why do you think the middle name is H.
Posted by: 2smart4u | January 28, 2010, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“This fool thinks he was elected Fuhrer rather than U.S. President”
Ignoring the usual right wing idiocy, you guys know that Hitler was not elected right?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
“Cowgirl – The states argument was not to have the Supreme Court overturn Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce which was a decision made in 1990. Once again nowhere close to 100 years.”
It also overturned part of Taft Hartley that dealt with campaign finance.
As well as several state laws, one of which cowgirl mentioned.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
the United States Supreme Court will hand down an opinion that could have vast implications for Montana’s campaign finance laws, potentially altering bedrock rules that have governed the state’s politics as far back as 1912 – an era when it was controlled by the Anaconda Copper Company and the Montana Power Company. Depending on how it rules, the Court could allow corporations to once again make direct political contributions if it decides the free-speech rights of those corporations are currently being infringed.
“Montana has a real interest, a long-standing interest, in putting limits on corporate control and keeping corporate money out of elections,” said state Attorney General Steve Bullock, who co-wrote a July brief for the Court urging it to uphold current laws, and which was signed onto by the attorneys general of 25 other states. “This is what Montanans have wanted and kept in place for close to a century.”
Crabs…you apparently are not educated on the far reaching consequences of this broadly written opinion by the court…It went beyond feingold/mccain..and typically these broadly written opinions(ie: not very consise and to the point being adjudicated)are subject to nefarious intentions and will end up in many lawsuits..a very poorly written decision and i urge you to read it in its entirety
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Funny, no one seems to remember that the unions were included in the SC decision and we all know which party benefits from the union support. Obama’s arrogance may have just gotten the best of him.”
Is arrogance is the new right wing word for uppity?
Did you guys realize the latter made you sound too overtly racist?
Posted by: Ryan C | Jan 28, 2010 2:50:49 PM
========================================Ryan–why oh why resort to the race card when the truth is staring you in the face?
First and foremost, companies still CANNOT donate to campaigns, however they are free to advocate for or against a specific person.
I will have to agree that this was a bad move, however I do understand that they were merely upholding the 1st amendment.
As for the race card-it is old and played out–really old and really played out.
I believe what the poster was referring to was Obama’s arrogance, nothing more and def. nothing less!
The fact that Obama has the Unions in his back pockets is no secret and has nothing to do with race. The Unions have an insane amount of money to promote their agenda (cough SEIU cough cough) just as othe special interest groups and you must be hiding under a rock on another planet if you seriously do not thing the SEIU is in the tank of Obama and the Democrats.
Again, stop with the race card–you are sounding like Chris “I forgot Obama was black for an hour” Matthews….
Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2010 | January 28, 2010, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
The first amend. only extends free speech rights to individuals…not corporations which is an entity
Posted by: cowgirl | January 28, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
As for the race card-it is old and played out–really old and really played out.
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Wish that this were true (and there certainly is less racism than in previous generations), but many people still harbor prejudices and biases. Do not doubt for a second this shows up in some of the attacks on the President including the personal attacks against he and his wife.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
So some of you believe that money and
speach are the same thing…
The founding fathers did’nt want a
monarchy…but pure unfettered capitolism creates kings who can dominate our lives…The sheltered life
of a supreme court member especially one
who believes in “strict constructionism”
may believe that if the constitution
does’nt contain a prohibition against a
practice then it must be allowed.
I, being a Democrat with Libertarian leanings believe it’s better to have an
elected officials running our government rather than an unknown, unelected business person running things. All our rights have been weakened by the corrupting influence of MONEY$$$. It’s too bad that Scalia and Alito don’t understand that.
Posted by: blackie | January 28, 2010, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
PS There were plenty of Corporations 100 years ago…maybe charters and laws have changed, but Company towns existed
that kept folks chained to the wims and
fortunes of those companies…
The
Supreme Court has acted in a partizan
fashion when they should have let the
persident..The founding fathers would not approve of this.
Posted by: blackie | January 28, 2010, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
as for Cowgirl……the basic wording of the 1st amendment reads as follows:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By the very basics, there are no laws governing ONLY individuals with respect to freedom of speech.
There have been acts introduced to forbid soft monies being use to advocate for or against certain parties during an election.
but the argument here is on the basis premise that the 1st amendment was designed for individuals only, which it clearly was note, otherwise they could not have incoprorate the press in the same amendment if that were there intention.
Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2010 | January 28, 2010, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
and ACORN is partially funded by tax payers, yet they backed Obama and poured money into his campaign.
Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2010 | Jan 28, 2010 4:48:05 PM
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Please show us proof of the donations ACORN “poured” into the Obama campaign.
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Totally deserved, as the court did something totally distasteful, and not in the interest of the citizens of this country.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | January 28, 2010, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
and ACORN is partially funded by tax payers, yet they backed Obama and poured money into his campaign.
Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2010 | Jan 28, 2010 4:48:05 PM
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Please show us proof of the donations ACORN “poured” into the Obama campaign.
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Nothing yet?
Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
believe what the poster was referring to was Obama’s arrogance, nothing more and def. nothing less!
Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2010
what makes Obama arrogant, you and the rightwing don’t agree with him, he speaks differently than the rightwing’, he’s educated’, he has opinions and speaks his mind…
c’mon now,
step up, man up, what exactly makes the President arrogant?
Posted by: Non Seq | January 29, 2010, 1:37 am 1:37 am
Ryan is repeating the same tired mantra that the Kool Aid drinkers love to use: that any criitcism of “The One…” is racism. Of course Michael Steele has rightly pointed out the stunning arrogance of this completely inexerienced president, and Steele is black. Colin Powell would make a great president. The one we have now should never have been elected. For a politician with almost no experience to publically lecture and scold the Supreme Court is inexcusable, whether he agrees with them or not.
Posted by: let's have a tea party! | January 29, 2010, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Since the ruling in question was made, I have been surprise at the people I meet in all walks of life who are completely dismayed by it and its negative influence on our democracy. When the founding fathers made our constitution they couldn’t have imagined the wealth that corporations would have. We need an amendment to our constitution making it clear enough for this conservative Supreme Court and any that follow, that corporations are not people; they don’t have the right to vote, get drafted, have a birth or death certificate. So it follows they should not have the same free speech rights that individual citizens have unless we want to kiss democracy good-bye.
Posted by: Lydia | January 29, 2010, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Justice John Paul Stevens in his partial dissent from the majority decision, saying that the decision by the court’s Republican majority “would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans” — and the other three justices, appointed by Democrats, noted their agreement.
Why does Stevens think so? Perhaps because he and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg raised that issue with Theodore Olson, the lead counsel for Citizens United (his disreputable comrades from the Clinton wars). When Olson argued that under prior Supreme Court decisions, corporations “are persons entitled to protection under the First Amendment,” Ginsburg asked whether that “includes today’s mega-corporations, where many of the investors may be foreign individuals or entities.” Olson replied that the court had made no distinction “based on the nature of the entity that might own a share of a corporation.”
Ginsburg pressed further. “Nowadays there are foreign interests, even foreign governments, that own not one share but a goodly number of shares.” To which Olson answered, “I submit that the Court’s decisions in connection with the First Amendment and corporations have in the past made no such distinction.”
Posted by: cowgirl | January 29, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am