‘Revolution in the Streets’: Mass. Republicans Prep for Fight over Seating Scott Brown
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: A win by Republican Scott Brown in tomorrow’s special Senate election in Massachusetts would throw the push for health care reform into chaos. Democrats are game-planning a few different scenarios if that once-unthinkable development comes to pass. But if Brown wins and Democrats try to slam health care reform through the Senate before he’s seated, expect an all-out political and legal war, Massachusetts Republican National Committeeman Ron Kaufman told us on ABC’s “Top Line” today.
“I’d love for the Democrats to try to not seat him, and I’d like to see them rush through health care,” Kaufman told us from Boston, where he’s helping Brown’s campaign in its final stages. “If either of those things happens, we’ll have a revolution in the streets — not just here but in Washington. I think they’re smarter than that.” Kaufman, who was political director in the George H.W. Bush White House, said that after tomorrow, Sen. Paul Kirk, D-Mass. — who was appointed to fill Ted Kennedy’s seat on an interim basis — should no longer be permitted to vote in the Senate. Kaufman cited the Massachusetts law which provides for an appointed senator to serve “until election and qualification of the person duly elected to fill the vacancy.” That’s different than waiting for the election to be formally certified by the secretary of state, a process that takes at least 10 days, Kaufman said. “If you read the language of a special bill that they rammed through to get him appointed in the first place, it says that [Kirk's] term is over tomorrow night,” Kaufman told us. ”I am convinced that if Scott Brown wins this race in a comfortable margin – in a fair margin – then the Democrats are not suicidal enough to try to prevent him from being the duly elected senator,” he said. Win or lose tomorrow, Republicans feel as if a message has been sent by voters in Massachusetts — and that means real trouble for Democrats this year, Kaufman said. “It’s more fun winning than losing. But the bottom line is, yeah — people get it in Washington. And if you’re one of those 54 [House] seats that [John] McCain won over the president and you’re a Democrat, then you’re really, really worried,” Kaufman said. “If you’re [Nebraska Sen.] Ben Nelson, or [Sen. Blanche] Lincoln in Arkansas, or the new senator in Colorado [Michael Bennet], or [running for] the open seat in Delaware, you’re really, really worried. So, this is going to change — in my opinion this is going to change into a debate in Washington no matter what happens tomorrow,” he said. (There are actually currently 48 House Democrats sitting in districts won by John McCain). Watch the interview with Ron Kaufman HERE.
Also today, we checked in with Bill Adair, editor of the fact-checking Web site Politifact.com, about President Obama’s record of keeping campaign promises, one year into his presidency. Watch that segment of “Top Line” HERE.
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And how does a Republican win help the average voter?
Healthcare reform is halted. No health care for the uninsured, premiums continue to rise for the rest of us, healthcare costs continue to rise, causing more businesses to drop coverage, and this helps us how?
Isn’t this what we had under the Republicans for eight years? How is this a “revolution?” More like a step backward.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | January 18, 2010, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Newsflash Amy, the proposed “reform” bill was also a step backward. In case you missed it, analysis showed that premiums for many Americans would still go up and it did nothing to curb healthcare costs. Oh yeah, it also would have cost over a trillion dollars. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce was against it, so clearly it wasn’t helping businesses to keep coverage for their employees. Oh wait, unless you are in a union…
Posted by: independent voter | January 18, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
“That’s different than waiting for the election to be formally certified by the secretary of state, a process that takes at least 10 days, Kaufman said.”
The Republicans fought this tooth and nail in Minnisota – the certification of the election results by the secretary of state is required. If the Democrats play games to stretch it out too long, more than about three weeks (it always takes a couple), then they can complain.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
In case you missed it, analysis showed that premiums for many Americans would still go up and it did nothing to curb healthcare costs.
independent voter | Jan 18, 2010 3:25:26 PM
Could you cite the source of your analysis? Because the CBO clearly showed it curbed health care cost escalation and laid out the reasons why (the big one being the reduction in Cadillac health care plans that result in a price-no-concern ‘use it or lose it’ over consumption in many cases).
Posted by: jhw539 | January 18, 2010, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
newsflash, independent voter
The senate healthcare refor bill would reduce the federal deficit by $132 billion over the FIRST ten years alone.
This, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.
If healthcare reform doesn’t pass, premiums are going up and more employers will drop coverage.
Here is a handy article to how the bill would afffect YOU:
Posted by: Amy in Maine | January 18, 2010, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
“The U.S. Chamber of Commerce was against it, so clearly it wasn’t helping businesses to keep coverage for their employees.”
The purpose of U.S. Chamber of Commerce is to lobby for business, it is not lobbying for the American voter and it doesn’t care if you keep your health insurance.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | January 18, 2010, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Come on MASS the Dems only want Coakley so they can pass the bill. Lets relook at it. Vote Brown so it will force a relook at the bill. Please help the nation in finding out what all is contained in this bill that the dems are hiding. Please help the nation. Brown will not just vote yes because his party says to.
Posted by: Jim Rod | January 18, 2010, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Independant voter,
The only reason premiums will go up is because the insurance industry will continue to gauge the public while they can. It is them against us. Yes the unethical industry will hit our pocket book harder becuase they can not because of the legislation. I will never understand why the people defend the insurance companies. The same people run these as run the banks, they are all unethical theives with very smart lawyers. We are at a disadvantage.
Posted by: texas outlaw | January 18, 2010, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
If only Charlie Rangel had the ethics of Nelson…oh forget it!
Posted by: Bernieo | January 18, 2010, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
If it is such a good deal why is there so much resistance to it? It is not even being discussed as to all the secret deals and behind the door meetings it took just to get 60 votes,and you think it is a good deal? Hopefully the people of Mass will sent these socialistic politicans a message Tuesday.
Posted by: stormerF2 | January 18, 2010, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
AMY!! stop and think! you are citing the cost of a program spread over ten years, with services that arent provided until the 4th year in! I can make my budget look much better than it does today if I use math like that! This has been a congressional healthcare AUCTION!! ASk Louisiana, Nebraska, Florida, big pharma, insurance, AARP and the unions!Page by page, issue by issue, this bill has been up for sale!This IS NOT A PRODUCT OF CONVICTION BUT RATHER A PRODUCT OF BRIBES! why???
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Are you saying that businesses don’t care if they have healthy employees or not? Healthy employees are more productive, take less time off of work, file fewer workers’ comp claims (all of which save the company money). Businesses pay billions of dollars a year in health insurance for their employees. The US Chamber of Commerce is for health reform, just not THIS reform. http://www.uschamber.com/issues/index/health/default
Posted by: independent voter | January 18, 2010, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
“newsflash, independent voter
The senate healthcare refor bill would reduce the federal deficit by $132 billion over the FIRST ten years alone.
This, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.”
that is because they are raising taxes. They are correct it is a reduction – in the pocketbook.
Posted by: john | January 18, 2010, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Everything that the GOP supports hurt the majority of American. No heaths care for 46 million, tax cuts for the rich, no regulation on the banks, and no protection for workers, tax cuts for big business. Yet they say that they are the real American, yet everything that they are for hurt us.
Posted by: Mdunson | January 18, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
John, its also because the first 3-4 years are all income and no output…Imagine if Sears collected peoples money at the registers, but put their purchases right back on the shelves, or didn’t deliver the microwaves and washers people paid for….for YEARS!! Yeah, their ledgers would look real good.
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
independent voter
Businesses BEGAN offering health insurance, not out of the goodness of their hearts, but to compete for employees back in the day when there were more jobs than workers to fill them. and as a way to pay employees LESS, because they could offer a benefit that would not be taxed, unlike higher wages. It was a trade off: unions accepted health insurance benefits over wages, employers got group discounts from insurance agencies.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | January 18, 2010, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
The main reason for insurance premiums to rise is because health care costs rise. So, let’s reform the system by regulating all companies in health care including schools, equipment, procedures, pharmaceuticals, etc to a 5% profit margin. This would certainly ower costs, which then we lower premiums to the same 5% profit margin. Also, create a government system for those who cannot afford insurance and repeal the law that requires hospitals to treat people without insurnace (or money to pay). Illigal aliens should be returned home and then apply for work permits and TIN’s for taxes. If they have no criminal record, allow them legal employment. That will certainly lower costs.
Posted by: lfrichar | January 18, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Cindy is right! Ask Mass. and Tn. on their states socialized healthcare. The people have a negative reaction to it. Only about 30 % approval. It DOESN’T work! I lived in Europe and I can tell you it is not our way of life. I don’t want to pay for something before I get it-four years? No way! All economics say it won’t work-the cost is outrageous. All the pay offs and bribes ought to tell you something. If it is so good why would “Let’s make a deal Obama” be handing out billions in pay offs? All one sided and behind closed doors. Something “fishy” about this. Where is C-Span? Can’t keep a promise? I say “Go Scott Brown” in Mass.!!!!!!
Posted by: TXAR.55 | January 18, 2010, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
“that is because they are raising taxes.”
vast majority of the revenue would come from a surtax of 5.4 percent on adjusted gross income over $1 million (for couples) or $500,000 (for single people).
Is that you?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/health-care-and-the-economy/
Posted by: Amy in Maine | January 18, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Amy in Maine — Let’s look at estimates: Cash for Clunkers estimated $1 billion and 4 months- Actual, $3 billion and 4 weeks. This was a simple program, so how or why would I expect their next “estimate” to be right?
Posted by: lfrichar | January 18, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
mdunson…are you SURE you want an America without “the rich”? It sounds like you loathe those who are successful. A land with no rich people looks like Haiti my friend, and when the going gets really, really tough, they have NO ONE to turn to..except “rich” foreigners. I never (ever) got a job from a poor man…have you? I’m not rich btw, but I am always inspired by those who have worked hard and built their fortunes.
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Elle..yikes! That’s alot of energy right there…all that terrorist talk, phew! PS..I wouldn’t bring up Scott Brown’s COSMO pose of 28yrs ago..cause you run the risk of losing all the women Coakley voters..I mean, it’s obvious from the photo that this man is into healthcare! WOW!!
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
I couldn’t see Obama’s Harvard Law School classmates and Law school professors at the back of Obama during speech which was held in Boston’s Northeastern University and not in Obama’s alma mater Harvard University in Cambridge ,Massachusetts.How could Obama seal his Harvard academic records and birth certificate and not be proud about graduating magna cum laude and being born in Hawaii,USA.
Posted by: mahalapril | January 18, 2010, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Who could possibly vote for Martha Coakley? “There are no terrorist in Afghanistan” she said and when called on it by a reporter, she snubbed him and didn’t answer and a few minutes later he was knocked down to the ground by one of her “henchmen”. When asked what happen she said she didn’t see anything. What a lie, she was caught on film watching the whole ordeal! If she lies about things like that think what she will do in Washington? Join Obama and his lies? We have enough idiots in Washington without her! Go Scott Brown! Besides she don’t know a Red Sox fan from a Yankee fan! Speaks of her knowledge of her state!
Posted by: TXAR.55 | January 18, 2010, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
If the average voter is at all interested in stopping the rampant spending of Obama/Reid/Pelosi at this point a republican may just be your answer. That is if you believe that if the debt triples to $36 trillion in ten years we are beyond hope, truth is with no plans to reconcile the current debt of 412.4 trillion we may already be beyond recovery.
If perchance you have hopes to save America from a rogue president and his minion congress please consider joining GOOOH which plans to send all 435 members of the House home in 2010 and replace them with representatives that are beholden to their constituency instead of their respective political machine.
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Edited to correct typo, ($12.4 trillion vice 412.4 trillion):
If the average voter is at all interested in stopping the rampant spending of Obama/Reid/Pelosi at this point a republican may just be your answer. That is if you believe that if the debt triples to $36 trillion in ten years we are beyond hope, truth is with no plans to reconcile the current debt of $12.4 trillion we may already be beyond recovery.
If perchance you have hopes to save America from a rogue president and his minion congress please consider joining GOOOH which plans to send all 435 members of the House home in 2010 and replace them with representatives that are beholden to their constituency instead of their respective political machine.
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
To quote Ben Stein:
“The American people already know that Mr. Obama’s plan to lower health costs while expanding coverage and bureaucracy is a myth, a promise of something that never was and never will be — a bureaucracy lowering costs in a free society. Either the costs go up or the free society goes away.”
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Ed Taylor
If healthcare reform doesn’t pass, premiums will continue to rise, more people will join the ranks of the uninsured, poor people will continue to clog our emergency rooms with no-emergency conditions, healthcare costs will continue to rise, businesses will drop coverage for their employees, Medicare and Medicaid will continue to go bankrupt.
Meanwhile, AUSTRALIANS have universal healthcare coverage, Canadians have universal coverage, Scandanvians do, the French, the Germans, the Brits. Our system is sick. We need to fix it.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | January 18, 2010, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
The bill had a nice frame work when they started hearings. It incluided a Government run plan to compete with the insurance industry which would keep cost down. That provision is gone. As a substitute a provision is included to allow insurance co competition across state lines…this can be gamed and is less effective. The key is that this has turned into a political football, if passed will cost the US Taxpayer dearly. I am for health reform but somebody has to explain the product before I spend more than a Trillion dollars of my kids money on it. Let’s start over with transparancy this time.
Posted by: robocall | January 18, 2010, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Libs last January were soaring like
eagles. Now they are chomping on raw
crow. What a difference a year makes.
Who said America isn’t a great country?
Posted by: Sir Toby Belch | January 18, 2010, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
THE FIRST thing to watch is the activity of SEIU and ACORN. Nothing like a couple thousand fradulent Democrat votes to ruin any patriots day.
Posted by: Ron | January 18, 2010, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Please look at the national debt situation and tell me who has a plan to resolve it? Are some of you being bribed as de Tocqueville said?
Alexis de Tocqueville said it quite prophetically, “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Sooner or later the debt has to be resolved or our democracy will be dissolved, our choice!
I am not a republican, they left a mess and our man from Chi-Town compounded it beyond belief. I am GOOOH, stands for “get out of our house” (google it for further info).
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Robo..I don’t support universal care under these economic circumstances, but we do agree on one thing..this bill is a grotesque byproduct of corruption, kickbacks and pay-offs. I keep using the tired analogy of a 16″ pizza with 100 hungry mouths to feed. This calls for inspired leadership..not back room secret “feedings” I didn’t vote for Obama, but for a fleeting moment, I thought he might be the guy to help us make very tough and painful decisions..for the sake of our kids.
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
If only we KNEW what was really in the healthcare bill there might not be so much resistance to it. All these back door deals, cloak and dagger stuff just makes us all highly suspicious.
I don’t want to wait until AFTER they pass a bill to see that my coverage is going to be worse then ever and still cost an arm and a leg. Lets see what is in the final bill before we pass it. How come they won’t make it all public? What are they hiding? Where’s that transparency?
Posted by: edward80 | January 18, 2010, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Healthcare will be a moot point when the dollar is trashed by the national debt situation.
Our governmnet is over-promised and underfunded. Obama compared his healthcare to the USPS, which as I speak is being rationed because it is overspent. For once Obama spoke the truth!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
edward80
You can see how your health insurance will be affected by using the calculator in this article.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/health-care-reform-dummies/story?id=9564802
PS Please remember, if you currently have employer offered coverage, it will not be affected.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | January 18, 2010, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Ben Stein also said, “Now, Americans are waking up to the truth that ObamaCare basically means that every time you are sick or injured, you will have a clerk from the Department of Motor Vehicles telling your doctor what he can and cannot do.”
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
edward.. I agree..this is like the price is right but you are bidding on what’s behind door one, without it ever opening…and every so often, someone backs up an 18 wheeler to the back entrance of door one, and leaves with a bunch of “stuff” ..gee, what to bid, what to bid..??
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
The health care bill should have been scrapped and rewritten months ago. Now it is getting further into sleazy deal territory and is probably the most foul piece of legislation to be ever considered for a vote by Congress.
The simple fact that people are resorting (on both sides) to partisan majorities and dirty tricks says it all. We will only get real reform when it is a basic majority of the will of the people, not 2000+ pages of convoluted garbage that no one understands – with so many pieces of pork that it would never stand up to a court challenge.
I thought Obama campaigned against all of these tactics – and promised a “cleaner” Washington?
Posted by: JonF | January 18, 2010, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
I have GOT to make dinner..but Amy, to believe that what we pay for my husband’s healthcare offered through work will not go up is a real stretch..if the insurance companies are taxed, they will pass it straight down to us..if this was not true, then WHY did the unions fight sooo hard for their members to be protected from these same taxes??? WHY?
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Ben Stein is a whiz, how about this comment, it explains why Mr. Obama is rushing HIS congress?
” Now, we face a devastating loss of freedom at home in health care. It will be joined by controls on our lives to “protect us” from global warming, itself largely a fraud if believed to be caused by man.
Mr. Obama knows Americans are getting wise and will stop him if he delays at all in taking away our freedoms.”
Posted by: Ed Taylor | January 18, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
SCOTT BROWN..a spike strip for this runaway congress!
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Insurance companies have controlled and decided the costs of health care to where it cannot be afford. Insurance companies dropped patients who became seriously ill. Insurance companies have denied Life Saving procedures allowing patients to die, who would have lived otherwise. Insurance companies have denied people with pre-existing conditions health insurance. Insurance Companies Paid Millions to each Republican in Senate and Congress to stop health care reform. Insurance companies have been the major special interest group for about 3 quarters of a century. And you want the health care reformed defeated. When you loose your jobs and your health care, good luck.
Posted by: Angel | January 18, 2010, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
Personally, I wouldn’t put anything past the democrats.
Posted by: LongT | January 18, 2010, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Amy, I already had seen that link and read the story. The problem is that it tells me nothing about coverage. And using their calculator, it’s going to cost about $2000 MORE a year, of course the “goverment” will kick in most of that. So what have I gained? Now the taxpayer, you, me, everyone has to kick in more for my insurance then I can buy it as individual now? Something doesn’t add up.
As I said before, healthcare reform is a good thing, but not if it gets shoved through with no details of what it contains, what is covererd, and the real cost. I think we can look at what Medicare was “Estimated” to cost and then compare it to the actual cost. Not even close. If Mr. Brown needs to get elected to slow this down and let all americans look at it, then I am all for him. We don’t need another rubber stamp.
Posted by: Edward80 | January 18, 2010, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Amy in Maine,
“Healthcare reform is halted. No health care for the uninsured….”
1. Explain how a bunch of bribes, kick-backs and special exemptions, cobbled together in secret backroom deals under the rubric of “health care legislation,” constitutes “reform.”
2. Name one, ONE, person you know who didn’t receive emergency treatment when they needed it, regardless of insured status. ONE.
Nice try, Amy, but no Maine blueberry pancake syrup for you today.
Posted by: MarkJ | January 18, 2010, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
I’m guessing the Insurance Companies are giving some big bucks in Mass. Because if the DEM is not elected their Obamacare plan to force all US citizens to give them money will be out the window!
Posted by: Ed | January 18, 2010, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
“vast majority of the revenue would come from a surtax of 5.4 percent on adjusted gross income over $1 million (for couples) or $500,000 (for single people).
Is that you?”
I own an S Corp and it would affect every employee I have and it would with most small businesses.
Posted by: Lisa | January 18, 2010, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
There is a lot more going on here than the health bill. Look at Brown’s voting record on; education, women’s rights, polution. and the environment. He accuses his opponent of being in the pockets of pharmacutical companies, yet it is these same companies paying millions to stop healthcare. His cry is to reduce taxes, his meaning is to remove services from the middle class and preserve the wealth of the upper 5% of this country.
Posted by: vissionquest | January 18, 2010, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
I own parts of pass-through entities, and I pay lots of tax on revenue that is put back into the business.
I will be selling parts of the business to pay for the increased taxes. There is no way around it.
Obama is not too bright economically – between this tax and his singling out over $250K incomes for tax increases he has put a curse onto small businesses.
The new taxes will far outweigh the costs and risks of doing business. Better to liquidate than to take risk with little reward. And yes, that means that lots of people will lose their jobs as their employers shut down. Who will Obama blame that one on?
Posted by: JonF | January 18, 2010, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Angel if they wanted to do some legislation that would controll the insurance companies, so they have to accept everone, so they cant drop anyone, so they have to cover preexsisting ills, pass that, but we dont need all this other crap in this bill.its 2000 pages of bribes and insurance company favors,union deals and so much pork no one admits to reading it.
Posted by: earl | January 18, 2010, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
vissionquest: unless you want the government to be the employer of everyone – there have to be people who own businesses that hire people.
By the whole nature of the system, there has to be a certain percent of the population that own the hiring entities – or no one gets hired!
If you don’t “preserve” the wealth of these people (or rather not steal what they already have) then there will be no one left to hire everyone.
You’ve got to choose – either you get a recession/depression – or you leave these people alone. Only a few have been corrupt – most business owners are trying to stay alive like everyone else. Get real!
Posted by: JonF | January 18, 2010, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
If the admisitration continues to hand out sweet deals to select groups, making the rest of us pay for them, there will never be healthcare reform.
You can complain about the insurance company fee’s and restrictions all you want, but if our goverment is guilty of the same tactics, what good is it? I guess maybe forcing your neighbor who has managed to save money and worked hard pay for everyone else’s insurance makes it better? Why not just put a cap on attorney fee’s and lawsuit claims FIRST, with no sweet deals handed out to anyone and see how much that would save everyone? Too easy?
Posted by: Edward80 | January 18, 2010, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Amy, when I was young we didn’t have health insurance, we just, hold on to your hat, paid the doctor cash sometimes over several months. I know that this may be a novel thought but health care was always available and since people did not have the “its free” attitude, it didn’t cost so much. Whenever you separate the payer from the payee, things get out of control..credit cards have the same effect. Medical care costs went crazy when the government became involved. More government is exactly not what we need.
Posted by: brian | January 18, 2010, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
amy in maine…america has resoudingly denouced the dems and their communist agenda. done …finit( french for finished)time to get people back to work.cant wait to see minority leader of the house..pelosi.;
Posted by: catman | January 18, 2010, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
The American people are never helped when republicans win. A GOP talking head was asked what the republicans have done to help this country in the last 20 years and he couldn’t come up with one answer. Not one! Tells you something; doesn’t it.
Posted by: pamp205 | January 18, 2010, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
It is impossible to use logic to pursuade those who have been willingly brainwashed.
We need a measure of reform; not just To totally scrap an 85% workable product that needs a tune-up; then attempt thru coersion and corruption to replace it with an indescribable, unknowable ANYTHING run by this completely corrupted lying government.
It’s like your Worst Nightmare of a crooked auto mechanic!
Posted by: Bebe | January 18, 2010, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
ihope the republicans win…i’m set, i have plenty of money.if those folks in mass. vote for brown then they deserve what they get.
Posted by: half_tilted | January 18, 2010, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
america deserves the republicans…if americans don’t see what happened under bush the last eight years then they can have the republicans forever…ha,ha,ha.
Posted by: half_tilted | January 18, 2010, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
pamp..i saw the “interview” it “told” me once again how RUDE and DISGUSTING Chris Matthews is.,,and how much he spits on his guests..drools..whatever the problem is.
Posted by: cindy | January 18, 2010, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
I BELEIVE old barney franks would like to see brown win.I JUST KNOW I SAW A GLEEM IN HIS EYE.
Posted by: rking | January 18, 2010, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
One of the biggest problems with this healthcare reform is that we don’t know what’s in it. We know they put the “doctors’ part aside to make the costs go down, we know we’re paying for 4 years and getting nothing. We know that this leads to the government telling us what we are allowed to have and when. We know the Fed will know absolutely everything about us medically. we know it leads to single-payer, socialized medicine. We know MA will have to pay twice, NE never, FL 1/2. Nobody has a gripe about providing health insurance for America’s poor, but illegals we do. most Americans dont want their tax dollars funding abortions used as birth control. So, tell me again, why we should want this bill to pass as is?
Posted by: Sally in MD | January 19, 2010, 12:20 am 12:20 am
If the politicians in Washington are sincere about reforming health care and bringing costs down, they would have started the ball rolling by addressing the tax code. For example, the tax code could be changed so that all money spent by the taxpayer on health care was an adjustment to gross income. Doing so would create such a shortfall in revenue that your government might possibly begin getting really serious as to determining the real reason for the escalation in health care costs. Hint: It’s not the MDs.
Posted by: John Locke | January 19, 2010, 12:41 am 12:41 am
I don’t like the proposed health care reform because it is too long, too convoluted and too filled with special interests. It deserves to end up in the dust bin of historical failures. I don’t much care how it’s done, just so its gone.
Posted by: John Locke | January 19, 2010, 12:49 am 12:49 am
The DNC must have some pretty solid numbers about tomorrows race. For me the most telling thing was Bob Beckel’s demeanor on Hannity tonight. He looked subdued and at a loss for words for the first time ever. He also sounded very reasonable regarding the consequences of his party delaying any seating or cramming legislation.
How does a party with control of the executive branch, the house and a senate super majority back itself into such a corner?
Posted by: Chipotlethesheepdog | January 19, 2010, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Is that you?….yes that is me, but I earned my money without any handouts. Why is it that I should be taxed more than I already am? Nothing is free, If you are getting something for nothing then remember the rest of us are forced to pay for it.
Posted by: Khalid | January 19, 2010, 2:33 am 2:33 am
Cindy….you are amazingly insightful, polite, thoughtful, confident, and correct. (Well, the part about “old people” was a bit of a sting). It’s been delightful to read your posts and I hope we can share a virtual “High Five” after today’s election in Massachussetts. Wouldn’t it be great if Brown wins by a HUGE majority? Hope your day is great.
Posted by: ncpilot09 | January 19, 2010, 5:52 am 5:52 am
Let’s all have 8 more years just like the last 8 under Bush! You know, because Bush was so thrifty!
Posted by: able | January 19, 2010, 6:26 am 6:26 am
I’d like to have 8 more years just like the first SIX years under Bush. You can keep the last 2 years of his term. You know, those last 2 years when the democrats were in charge of Congress??
Posted by: ncpilot09 | January 19, 2010, 6:48 am 6:48 am
Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 18, 2010 3:36:38 PM. The original senate bill was scored and claimed to reduce the deficit by 350 billion or so over the first 10 years. Afterwards the CBO did come out and say that premiums would go up for most Americans as a result (nothing to do with reducing the deficit by the way.) So if premiums go up, and 25 million people are still uninsured if this bill passes; it’s a bad bill in the minds of most Americans. Don’t forget we haven’t had an updated score from the CBO to count for all of the bribes.
Posted by: Karl | January 19, 2010, 7:04 am 7:04 am