Schwarzenegger Withdraws Support for Democrats’ Health Care Reform

Who is for it, other than those democrat members of congress who are owned by insurance companies? How much you want to bet Dodd finds himself a cushy seat on the board of one of these companies?

So hear me now, and believe me later….
I need a federal bailout.

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Right. And it was republicans, who hold minorities in both houses, that prevented the public option.

The saddest part of this whole story is that most of you who blog here have no idea how Caliofornia got in such a financial mess. Many of you probably were not born, and others to young to remember when that State rebelled against “tax increases” and passed a Proposition that made it virtually impossible to pay for the programs that pandering politicians of both sides of the aisle created to get elected or stay in power. So do some research and gain some understanding so that the next time a “fiscal conservative” tries to convince you of the value of “tax cuts”, “deregulation” and a “free, unregulated” philosophy – you can tell them to go take a hike. As far as health care reform goes, it better happen before another 10-20% of us lose it because we can’t afford it.

===So do some research and gain some understanding so that the next time a “fiscal conservative” tries to convince you of the value of “tax cuts”, “deregulation” and a “free, unregulated” philosophy===
Yeah, that would be the thing to do instead of cutting programs that you can’t pay for.

Obama apologists are going into overtime mode. The rhetoric is being ratcheted up. It’s fun to watch, if the stakes weren’t so high that it might work.

Thanks, Jake, for blogging this. We understand why it won’t be one of ABC’s “news” stories. Or NBC’s “news” stories, or CBS’ “news” stories, or CNN’s “news” stories.

Someone at the RNC finally decided to pick up the phone and issue some real threat to Ahnold over his cozy relationship with the Dem health bill, eh?

===Posted by: matt | Jan 6, 2010 3:17:51 PM===
Probably not. I suspect he didn’t get the handout he went looking for. Payback is, well, you know.

He *should* withdraw his support becuase it is horrible policy. And it is an overreach of Congressional authority (for instance FORCING people to buy health insurance – there is no Constitutional provision that would allow that).
He is actually withdrawing it because the $$ came out against his state.
And thus, principled positions for long term sound governance and respect for the individual freedoms of the citizenry take a back seat to ebbs and flows of the dirty deals.

Can you cite any first world nation that can continue to print money and stay a first world nation?
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Sad to think, if the Bush administration hadn’t cut all those taxes at the same time they were overspending – and if the economy hadn’t crashed on his watch – we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in.
Have countries printed money to get out of severe economic downturns before – you betcha! Check out the United States.

Once any governor realizes that the feds dump a lot of the cost on the states, who could be for it?

Wow so every elected official CA has been pleading with the feds, on hands and knees for financial help and relief, there likely isn’t a state in the union more in debt and needy. And all Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, and Lofgren have to do to get their states people some help is threaten to withhold their vote. I hope they realize that if they don’t it and do it now it’ll be the biggest failure to serve their citizens of their careers, for their opponents to hold over their heads. I can hear the opponents now ” Little bitty ol Nebraska got their entire states’ medicare bill paid for by the feds, yet the leaders of the worlds 6 largest economy, are so ineffectual in their positions they couldn’t get their people a single dime in relief from the feds.
They best look like doing an about face and carrying out his request otherwise, no doubt it’ll be the one that gets them thrown out!

It’s not a tumor.
But if it is, somebody else should pay to have it removed.

===I challenge the two of you to run for politics anywhere in the US with those “simplistic ideas” of yours and see where it gets you. ===
It is the only way I could get elected where I live.
Axey | Jan 6, 2010 3:19:01 PM
Do it then. Far left radio talker Franken walked his talk and is sitting in the Senate (and doing a surprisingly good job), meanwhile blowhards like Rush, Hannity, O’Reily and company keep cashing their multi-million dollar paychecks and laughing at the rubes who think they mean what they say.

Can you cite any first world nation in reality that is not run by “spendy” politicians*? Do you think maybe, just maybe, there is some causation in the correlation between national success and a government that spends money for the common good?
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Oh, I’m all for spending money for the common good.
Politicians are, unfortunately, very good at spending money in ways other than the common good.

Hmmm and no mention of CSPAN requesting to broadcast the consolidation of the two bills live, like Obama promised 8 times while campaigning, and Obama, Pelosi and Reed slamming the door in CSPAN’s face. ABC Fail again Jake.

It’s good to know that we can spend infinity money without there being any consequences.
creditcard | Jan 6, 2010 4:01:32 PM
More like we can increase money supply at the same rate we increase productivity and resultant production of goods and services. But if you prefer the simple (and utterly wrong) answer because that’s what you can understand, suit yourself.

tierra,the bush tax cut RAISED federal revenues.You need to take an economics coarse.
Nephron | Jan 6, 2010 4:03:04 PM
And the Clinton tax INCREASES raised revenues more, almost eliminated the deficit, increased median incomes across the board AND produced about 4 times as many jobs. Or was that not covered in you AM radio economics course?

===Do it then. ===
I don’t want to. And didn’t bring up doing it.

===Uh, only EVERY FIRST WORLD NATION IN EXISTENCE.===
Uh, and every one of them are in financial trouble.
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Axey, which countries in the world are not in financial trouble?

-Axey, which countries in the world are not in financial trouble?-
Singapore, PRC, Thailand, Canada, South Korea, Switzerland…

The tax cuts did not raise revenues,the economic expansion and the dot-com bubble did.These,coupled with the “peace-dividend” and Republican control of Congress lead to the economic success of that era. The Income tax revenues were a small percentage of total revenues. You see,Congress controls the purse strings-something that the Democrat posters on this site want to forget.

“The tax cuts did not raise revenues”
Posted by: Nephron | Jan 6, 2010 4:49:10 PM
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You got that right.

And lucky Clinton, it all coincided with a dot com boom. So from now to infinity, we get to hear how Clinton was the greatest economic president to ever sit in the chair.
Axey | Jan 6, 2010 4:36:03 PM
Funny how when documented reality doesn’t agree with you it’s just luck that can be dismissed with a whine.

Good for the Governator! He is EXACTLY right:
“Health care reform, which started as noble and needed legislation, has become a trough of bribes, deals and loopholes.”
We held a consequential election in 2008, and Americans stepped up boldly with their historic vote. And what did we get for that act of trust? The most Corrupt, Coercive Congress ever.
We deserve a health care system designed like an Iphone — sleek and flexible, innovative in a 21st Century kind of way — instead of the 1930′s rotary-dial style beast that has emerged from the Congressional closets.
In making a mockery of the deliberative process this year, Congress has shown its contempt for all Americans, left and right. I, for one, am doing all I can to kick these devils out.

Good for Arnold.
ObamaCare stinks so bad Obama is forced to bribe his own SUPERMAJORITY to vote for it.
I’m not sure who looks worse–Obama who will sign absolutely anything to save his legacy, or the members of the House and Senate who have no principles.
They have one thing in common–they don’t care what the majority of Americans want.

Quick! Ram health care through before
the MSM starts to pick up that Obama lied 8 times about C-Span.
But what are the chances of the MSM doing that?
Guess old Rev Wright was telling the truth. Obama said things just to get elected. Sounds like a typical corrupt politician.

Not sure if your comment was a joke or just stunningly ignorant of reality.
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A joke. A joke to balance out all talk about increasing taxes back to Clinton rates.
President Obama did promise net spending cuts, after all. So I know we will get this spending under control.

ObamaCare stinks so bad Obama is forced to bribe his own SUPERMAJORITY to vote for it.
millie | Jan 6, 2010 5:27:38 PM
Joe “Vote for McCain 2008!” Lieberman is part of Obama’s supermajority? You do realize there are only 58 Democratic Senators (plus a socialist, plus the aforementioned Lieberman who defeated DEMOCRAT Lamont in his last run).

Posted by: creditcard | Jan 6, 2010 4:46:49 PM
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Debt on 11/18/09 was $12,030,202,701,513.91 (per the US treasury).
(That’s over 12 TRILLION folks.)
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WOW! That is incomprehensible! And we’re going to be spending MORE????

Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 6, 2010 5:19:35 PM
“GDP is close enough typically. And cherry picking a snapshot in time during the worst recession in a generation is a laughable attempt at economic ‘analysis’. Sorry, I’m just not compelled to join you in Fear Fantasy Land. ”
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This doesn’t look like “cherry picking” to me. You were talking about the money supply – this is a year’s worth of data on the money supply.
And it is horrible.
Percent change at seasonally adjusted annual rates
M1 M2
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Aug. 2009 TO Nov. 2009
9.4 4.2
May 2009 TO Nov. 2009
11.7 1.2
Nov. 2008 TO Nov. 2009
10.9 5.1
At the first signs of economic life, inflation is going to explode.

Pelosi: There’s never been a more open process.
Obama: I’ll televise health care negotiations on C-Span.
Liar Liar Pelosi and Obama’s pants are on fire. Those two deserve each other.
Where’s Dirty Harry?

Tax cuts don’t raise revenues. But the economic expansion that follows a cut does raise revenues.The cost of tax increases is the tendency for taxed money not to go into investment,business expansion or job creation.Look at the stimulus-has it had any real effect on growth or economic expansion?A succesful business that employs taxpayers and generates profits will put more revenues into the federal coffers than a business that lays off workers or doesn’t generate a profit.If the money that would be invested is taxed before it is ever used you don’t have growth.

Pelosi: There’s never been a more open process.
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Out of curiosity, can you name one bill in the last two centuries that has received more hours of televised floor debate OR more hours of town hall meetings OR had more markup drafts made available for free to the public? Ever? In the entire history of our nation?
(tip of the hat to jhw)

When Arnold was elected there was such hope he would challenge the corrupt Democrats in the legislature, and start turning CA around. He couldn’t do it and now he isn’t even trying. Opposing this corrupt healthcare monstrosity at the last minute is way too little way too late. CA is too far gone. If you own a small business or work for a living in CA get out while you can. Let the crazy rich liberal elite and those who just want to live off of other peoples hard work feed on each other!

@ tierra — we want to see who is giving what to whom to buy votes. Even your beloved Pelosi admitted Obama says things on the campaign trail that are nothing short of lies. “There are a number of things he was for during the campaign!”. Even a progressive like yourself should be able to figure this one out. Bernie Sanders admitted on your very own MSNBC that money talks in this Administration — “Let me break the truth to you. BIG MONIED INTERESTS CONTROL CONGRESS.” Get off your high horse and just admit your “hope and change” is not happening.

Re: “When Arnold was elected there was such hope he would challenge the corrupt Democrats in the legislature, and start turning CA around.”
Democrats don’t control the legislature in CA. Quit spreading lies. It takes a 2/3 majority to pass anything in the CA legislature and Democrats don’t have a 2/3 majority. Republicans hold up the budget every year which costs our state billions of dollars. Yes, billions.
Republicans with their Prop 13, their Enron rip off, deregulation, term limits and Arnold, their buffoon of a Governor, have run our state into the ground.
I can’t wait until the rest of you Republicans flee. Then we can fix our state. You guys are like an earthquake or a flood, except that you are a man made disaster.

Yes, they spent a lot of time on the bill but none of the facts came out till after the votes. The promise was to see how the votes and what the votes were being cast on. After every vote the public and frankly the congress then got to see what they voted on and it was not pretty. No one in congress can even tell you what is in this bill. That is not open and lastly if you want to use your words there with the amount of coverage the support for the bill goes down with every vote. So what is known is not liked.
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Pelosi: There’s never been a more open process.
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Out of curiosity, can you name one bill in the last two centuries that has received more hours of televised floor debate OR more hours of town hall meetings OR had more markup drafts made available for free to the public? Ever? In the entire history of our nation?
(tip of the hat to jhw)
Posted by: tierra | Jan 6, 2010 9:22:00 PM

Most people do not have a problem with reform in name but as always it is the details. There is nothing wrong with the system as a whole but can we do things to get more people covered and work on costs? We can and tort reform is one and it is not even on the table. The first step should be to squeeze the savings out of the system and see where you are and then move from that point. Let’s see what is actually there at the end of the day instead of the promises being made by the pols.
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I,m a conservative and think that health care reform is good. that said what’s the hurry? Slow down do it right and give the people and congress time to read and understand what your intentions are.
Posted by: hkdakota | Jan 7, 2010 8:48:30 AM

Bubbles is a true fool. You want the republicans to leave California so the democrats can fix it? Are you kidding me? Look at the main democratic controlled states Bubbles….California, New York, Illinois, Michigan….These all are a complete mess due to democratic tax and spend policy. The tax and spend concept forces jobs to lower tax states like Texas, and Arizona, and several states in the south. These states have been hit to a lesser degree in this recession due to their pro business platform.
Taxing companies to the teeth costs lots of jobs!!

Good for Arnold. This health plan is not America’s plan, not is it desired by the majority of Americans. This is Obama’s experimental pet project to piecemeal introduce socialism into America. He BS’d us during the campaign that he’d be a centrist, moderated man with full and open transparency so that he “serves the American people right.” We know now that he is a complete BS artist.
According to CBS News today:
“During the campaign, though, candidate Obama regularly promised something different – to broadcast all such negotiations on C-SPAN, putting the entire process of pounding out health care reform out in the open. (That promise applied to the now-completed processing of forging House and Senate bills, too.)
Back when Republicans controlled Congress and George W. Bush was in the White House, it was Democrats who angrily complained about secret backroom deals.
Now the roles are reversed.”

It would have been nice if Arnold had done this back in December. It may be too little to late now. I very much doubt that the supporters of obamacare care much about the negative effects of this bill. They are too wrapped up in this ‘historic’ moment.

If we’d get rid of all the illegals and the benefits we give them and their anchor babies, we wouldn’t be in such dire straits. Our social systems: schools, hospitals, jails are going bankrupt taking care of illegals. They’re also taking jobs that Americans would take. So ridding ourselves of illegals would be a good start to solving California’s budget crisis.