Senator Voinovich: ‘I Am Not a Vote For The Health Care Bill’

“That’s out of the question — I am not a vote for the health care bill, period,” he told reporters.
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Until he gets his price.
And so it begins. Which republican is going to sell out?

If Voinovich is such a debt hawk, why does he oppose a health care bill that will reduce the deficit?

Dave, he opposes the health care bill because it will NOT reduce the deficit. It may appear to reduce the deficit at first…after all, the govt would take in revenue without having to provide any service for 4 years. Heck, yes…that would make it APPEAR to reduce the deficit. But it’s smoke and mirrors. A shell game. If I collected money from you and several million other Americans, and provided you no service or goods, my ‘deficit’ would rapidly turn into an surplus. But, man, 4 years later when i had to start producing those services or goods, my surplus would evaporate faster than Obama’s approval ratings.

Posted by: Dave | Jan 19, 2010 2:14:45 PM
If Voinovich is such a debt hawk, why does he oppose a health care bill that will reduce the deficit?
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Because he doesn’t live in fantasy village and knows how preposterious that assertion is?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I’d be happy to see him as a vote for a bipartisan budget commission. It worked for military base realignment and it is the best option to get government spending under control. But it may not happen if the Republicans stick to their unprecedented obstructionism (no Congress in history has ever filibustered as much as this Republican minority – they have filibustered 3 times more in a single year than in all of the 19th century combined).

“I’d be happy to see him as a vote for a bipartisan budget commission. It worked for military base realignment and it is the best option to get government spending under control. But it may not happen if the Republicans stick to their unprecedented obstructionism (no Congress in history has ever filibustered as much as this Republican minority – they have filibustered 3 times more in a single year than in all of the 19th century combined). ”
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Ubstructing socialism is exactly the correct thing to do.
Obstruction isn’t a bad word when you are doing the right thing.

Well surprise…surprise…who’d thunk it. Seriously, what republican would vote for anything President Obama would like to do? They started this from day one and are still continuing it..what Americans they are….I won’t play unless I get my way.

“If Voinovich is such a debt hawk, why does he oppose a health care bill that will reduce the deficit?” BWAHAHA Dave, Bwahaha, stop, you’re killing me! BWAHAHA

How’s that Hope and Change working for you in the new world of Obama transparency? I keep looking to CNN to see the negotiations. H’mmmm. I can’t seem to find it. I must have misunderstood the 8 different clips I’ve seen saying Obama would have CNN broadcast the negotiations openly. Can anyone help me understand why we can’t see any of the secret backroom deals?

“Of course the first 10 years look good. 10 years of tax increases and 5 years of service = budget nuetral?”
The new right wing talking points whose logic is on par with the “its snowing outside, global warming is a hoax” idiocy.
Check the CBO as they have been issuing regular reports on the various proposed plans and amendments offered by both Democrats and Republicans.
“1. Allow insurance companies to do business in 50 states”
IOW allow insurance companies to sell you coverage without any consumer protection offered by your state.
“2. Real TORT reform”
Tort reform has already occurred in many states and the impact has been minimal.
In fact the CBO estimated the impact or tort reform as less than 1 half of 1 percent on cost largely because it has already been done.
“3. Let the market drive costs down”
IOW let people with pre existing conditions struggle and allow insurance companies to drop patients that develop chronic illness because the profit is in in insuring healthy people not sick people who need insurance.

Any bill can reduce the deficit. Just tax people more and more until it does. Then you can claim any bill is good for the country because it reduces the deficit.

How can you take any Republican seriously about the deficit when they voted for an unfunded illegal war that worsened our national security, a massive unfunded education mandate and an unfunded Medicare drug benefit? They have increased this country’s liabilities by many trillions of dollars and now they lecture Democrats about debt?
The reason for pushing health care reform now is that if we do nothing, the combined weight of taxes and premiums will kill our economy stone dead. Premiums on private policies have more than doubled since 2000; Medicare and Medicaid are deeply in the hole and that means tax increase danger. Every economic analysis done so far shows health care reform costing us less in taxes and premiums than doing nothing. But when you see George Voinovich’s lips moving, all you hear is the voice of the insurance industry, not America.

“And yet in the entire history of our Republic, no minority party has EVER considered this level of complete obstructionism to be the right thing. The last three years, each setting a new record for filibusters, is the strongest argument I’ve seen for elimination of the undemocratic filibuster entirely (and I say that knowing that Republicans will take back the Senate sometime in my life). ”
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Your historical point is meaningless.
What is at issue is the bills that have been put in front of this Congress.
And they have been marxist crap. If you want to take the historical tact, you can just as easily make the argument that never in American history has such a breath taking array of really bad ideas been put on the floors of the House and Senate.
And you’d be right.

“How can you take any Republican seriously about the deficit when they voted for an unfunded illegal war that worsened our national security, a massive unfunded education mandate and an unfunded Medicare drug benefit? They have increased this country’s liabilities by many trillions of dollars and now they lecture Democrats about debt?”
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There are not many true conservatives that supported the Medicare Part D boondoggle.
As for the war – it never ceases to amaze me how the same people that cheered for the TARP, for the 1st stimulus, for the second – $800 BILLION stimulus, for the MASSIVE omnibus supplemental, the bailouts of GM and Ford, the massive and expanding bailout of Freddie and Fanny -
-the ones who have never found a social program that they didn’t love.
- All of a sudden become deficit hawks whenever the war in Iraq is brought up.
Hilarious.

” If you want to take the historical tact, you can just as easily make the argument that never in American history has such a breath taking array of really bad ideas been put on the floors of the House and Senate”
I think the Terry Schiavo bill takes that cake for that one.

“”3. Let the market drive costs down”
IOW let people with pre existing conditions struggle and allow insurance companies to drop patients that develop chronic illness because the profit is in in insuring healthy people not sick people who need insurance. ”
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No – allow programs such as HSA work.
Let market forces drive CARE decisions. Use catestrophic insurance to cover the big events.
Provide tax free spending for the smaller stuff.
Let the market force doctors into actual competition.

Only in America, The democrats are going to pass a health bill that will hurt us all and they don’t care what the majority of Americans think. Who do they think they work for?
This group of liberals will do more to hurt our country in the next three years than any group of terrorist.
Too bad we didn’t elect a president instead we elected a hell of a speaker and nothing else. Obama now lives in the White House and Pelosi and Reid run the country (the real president.
To be fair Obama has never done anything in his life that he can point to other than get elected and that where it stops.
He has not kept one promise and he has changed nothing only made it worst. The press can be proud for bias reporting gave obama the margin he needed to get elected they are still beating up Plain she scared them to death.
We can no longer respect or believe the press.
Can you tell Iam mad as hell

He is another one who can’t see past his own wealth. When people die for lack of health care, he is another one who can share the responsibility, but that’s alright because his pockets are full. The health care “insurance” reform needs a lot of work, but if people like Voinavich, and Bohner, would get off their wallets, and help work on this instead of acting like it isn’t a problem, maybe it wouldn’t be getting rushed like it is. TAKE OFF THE BLINDERS!

Posted by: billy396 | Jan 19, 2010 8:55:09 PM
Billy – you nailed it.
The sad thing to see in regards to Obama is just how blatant and just how big the lies are.
Yet, at the same time, there are many (many, many) who trust him enough to make intimate decisions about their lives that they should be making for themselves.
This unthoughtful, amoral, and narcissistic generation is a disgrace.

Why is it so many people don’t understand what insurance is? It is a shared pool of risk against a catastrophic event. Not guaranteed payment for every ailment. When you get a chronic disease, you now are automatically above the pool of risk actuarially speaking.
Can you buy life insurance when you know you will die? Can you buy health insurance when you know you already have a catastrophic illness?
When you people point fingers at corporate profits do you know where your paycheck comes from?
How many people die because you eat at McDonald’s once in awhile? How many kids go hunger because you went to see Avatar instead of donating that money?
Why is it you want to take money out of other people’s pockets instead of your own?

where oh where is dat birth certfcate??

It is sad that so many people will continue to suffer because they have no healthcare insurance. Many of you care more about what the Healthcare companies
want than what is the right thing for
your fellow American. Now while I do
agree the healthcare bill had some
problems, the main point was give
healthcare insurance to help those who
need it and stop healthcare commpanies
from gorging it’s customers. The problem
with many is as said in 1 Tim. 6:9,10.
It deals with the love of money.
And that is the bottem line for them.
But, that many of you cannot see it is
the really shame. I also wonder how many Republicans will get more campaign funds because they are working to kill Healcare reform. Maybe that’s what you need to look into.

How many people actually die for lack of health care, I am below the poverty level myself and have never seen or heard of it myself. I have had health insurance for over a year now, but I cannot afford the (thankfully inexpensive) copays, because I need to pay my house payment, which is also cheap (about what it costs to rent).
There is just not enough money coming in to cover bare essentials, even though I work two part time jobs and my wife works 30 hours. We make a little above minimum wage, and there is just not enough to raise our family on. This is my third year of college and I am concerned about finding employment even then.
The fact is this WE NEED JOBS, not an expensive, inefficient, bureaucratic, take over of the best health care system in the world. However, yes, there are many things wrong with the health care system, and the fact that our society requires health insurance to provide even basic care is one of those unacceptable problems.

Hope all those who are unemployed with no health care and others who cannot afford health care or are losing their homes because of health care are satisfied. If you think you wait a long time in the emergency rooms now, just wait.

Let’s take a look at the comments by Hawthone,what’s the driving force in your attempt to discredit the President’s agenda when in fact your choice to vote prior to this current election is in keeping with most left-wing bias, racist hater of all our country’s non-white..people of color. The fact of the matter is not about a pending bill or anything pretaining to the welfare of the under-educated, low income producting Americans be it born in our country or else where by legal imigration as a means of citizenship. With regardings to your Socialist post views of the president you must know a great deal about our Constitution and freedom of every citizen not based on color,creed or religious freedom of ex- pression.