By Julie Percha

Jan 28, 2010 2:00pm

Supreme Court Historian: After President’s “Insult,” Won’t Be Surprised If Supreme Court Doesn’t Attend Next Year’s State of the Union Address

A noted Supreme Court historian who “enthusiastically” voted for President Obama in November 2008 today called President Obama’s criticism of the Supreme Court in his State of the Union address last night “really unusual” and said he wouldn’t be surprised if no Supreme Court Justices attend the speech next year.

“It was really unusual in my mind to see the president going after the Supreme Court in such a forum,” said author and Law Professor Lucas Powe, the Anne Green Regents Chair in Law, and a Professor of Government at the University of Texas-Austin School of Law. “I’m willing to bet a lot of money there will be no Supreme Court justice at the next State of the Union speech.”

Added Professor Powe, who clerked for Supreme Court Justice William Douglas, “you don’t go to be insulted. I can’t see the Justices wanting to be there and be insulted by the president.” His opinion has nothing to do with animus towards the President, for whom Powe said he voted enthusiastically.

President Obama took the apparently unprecedented step of assailing a Supreme Court decision in his speech last night, saying, “with all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections. Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that's why I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that corrects some of these problems."

The president was assailing the decision in the Citizens United case, allowing corporations to spend money to influence elections. The remarks were called “kind of rude” by the former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who told the Salt Lake Tribune, "It's one thing to say that he differed with the court but another thing to demagogue the issue while the court is sitting there out of respect for his position." 

It has also raised eyebrows among legal commentators. At Legal Times, Tony Mauro headlined one blog post “Supreme Court Turns Out for Tongue-Lashing at State of the Union.” 

The way the president deviated from the prepared text indicated he may have tried to soften his remarks as he made them. He added “with all due deference to separation of powers” and replaced his desire that Democrats and Republicans “pass a bill that helps to right this wrong” with one for lawmakers to “pass a bill that helps to correct some of these problems."

Listening to the speech Justice Samuel Alito could be seen mouthing the words “that’s not true.”

“I think Alito’s correct,” Powe told ABC News. “They weren’t overthrowing 100 years’ worth of history. They were overthrowing 20 years’ worth.”

There is some history here. President Obama is a former constitutional law lecturer who, aides say, was genuinely outraged by the decision.

(He’s also the first US President to have ever voted to filibuster a Supreme Court nominee. That nominee was Justice Alito.)

Powe said the polar opposite of the tension last night was when President Lyndon Johnson gave his “We shall overcome” speech in March 1965 and “Supreme Court Justices were standing and clapping with everyone else.”

Asked today what President Obama’s reaction was to Justice Alito's reaction, White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton said, “one of the great things about our democracy is that powerful members of the government at high levels can disagree in public and in private.  This is one of those cases.”

Vice President Joe Biden told ABC News’ Good Morning America, “I think it's an outrageous decision, Not outrageous in the fact that these guys are bad guys, outrageous in terms of the way in which to read the Constitution and what constitutes free speech…What the president was saying was 'look this was a big decision, a significant departure, a 5-4 decision, I think it was dead wrong and we have to correct it, and so Congress and the Senate, look at this. Look at it, and help me change it.’”

The president who historically had the most tense relationship with the highest court in the land was arguably Franklin Roosevelt, who – after the Supreme Court struck down several New Deal measures – introduced the Judiciary Reorganization Bill of 1937, which would have given him the power to appoint up to six new Supreme Court Justices – one for each sitting Justice over the age of 70 ½.

When FDR mentioned the court that in the 1937 State of the Union address, however, he did so vaguely, saying, “the Judicial branch also is asked by the people to do its part in making democracy successful. We do not ask the Courts to call non-existent powers into being, but we have a right to expect that conceded powers or those legitimately implied shall be made effective instruments for the common good. The process of our democracy must not be imperiled by the denial of essential powers of free government."

After his second inaugural, FDR recalled to an aide, when “the Chief Justice read me the oath and came to the words ‘support the Constitution of the United States’ I felt like saying: ‘Yes, but it’s the Constitution as I understand it, flexible enough to meet any new problem of democracy—not the kind of Constitution your Court has raised up as a barrier to progress and democracy.’”

-jpt

User Comments

Interesting context here. I had forgotten the history between Obama and Alito.

Posted by: jhw539 | January 28, 2010, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Unprecedented, amateurish, petulant behavior from the President. Very non-Presidential.
A disgrace.

Posted by: Good Lt. | January 28, 2010, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

Stay classy, sara. When even the NYT agrees that Alito was correct and Obama didn’t have his facts straight, it should signal the thinking person that you’re defending the indefensible. The President isn’t “God,” either.
This kind of behavior is beneath the Presidency.

Posted by: Good Lt. | January 28, 2010, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

It was very bad taste for Obama to have his critics hushed while he stands there and takes cheap-shots at everyone. It’s Bush’s fault, it’s the Republican’s fault, it’s this or that’s fault… take a good long look in the mirror, Mr President (biting tongue), your address was an attack on every American. An insult to anyone that doesn’t follow blindly into your Marxist utopia. The biggest problem with your ideas, Mr President (gag) is that they seek to tear down evetyhing that America stands for, everything that we have built. You, Mr President (blech) are the problem.

Posted by: Steve C | January 28, 2010, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Sara, corporate donations were happening anyways. Money is remarkably good at finding a way. This ruling changed very little in that regard.
And, most importantly, this was a matter of freedom. People have a right to free speech, I’m sure you’d agree. Well, all corporations really are are groups of people. People don’t give up that right when they get together with other people.
And a good analogy can be made with freedom of the press – are corporations permitted this freedom? You’d better hope so, because a good chunk of the press in this country is owned by corporations.
“Corporations” in the abstract are a scapegoat politicians love to blame for whatever ills have befallen their voters. Don’t fall for it.

Posted by: David | January 28, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

This is just the typical juvenile, chicago thuggery behavior he exhibits in all his teleprompter lectures. The American people do not like that type of behavior. Very unpresidential. Embarrassing, even.

Posted by: jennifert7 | January 28, 2010, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

Obama was exactly right and Congress must, and I believe will, correct the huge problems this bad Supreme Court decision would create.
I don’t understand the outrage here. Supreme Court justices are not gods sent to walk among us mere mortals here on earth. They make mistakes. They each have their own human flaws. The Supreme Court has made some horrendously wrong decisions over the years (Dred Scott, anyone?). Must we all simply sit back and never criticize? Is that what the founders wanted?

Posted by: Ron | January 28, 2010, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

I wonder if we’ll see a Marbury v. Madison style of showdown between the Executive and the Supreme Court. Only in this case, Alito knows he isn’t going anywhere. If the Democrats are unable to pass HCR with a filibuster-proof majority, they certainly aren’t going to be able to impeach a Justice of the Supreme Court. I’m thinking the president will lose this match.

Posted by: Frink | January 28, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Does this shock you that Obama would say something like this? He is the most arrogant President we have had since Nixon. He tried to start out by using “We” instead of “I” last night but he didnt last long. They said he used “I” or “Me” over 100 times. He can’t handle adversity. That is what I have seen. Obama blasted the Courts Ruling but how many dollars did he and McCain get from foreigner donors?

Posted by: Ted | January 28, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

I am sorry to say last night’s speech had many moment of low class. Obama attacking SCOTUS at the SOTU address was appalling.
Grow up Mr. President and focus on real issues.

Posted by: Denbo | January 28, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

“Obama blasted the Courts Ruling but how many dollars did he and McCain get from foreigner donors?”
Zero.
Foreigners are not allowed to contribute to elections until this ruling.
The cases in which some did, money was refunded (poor McCain was done in by one of his bundlers).
The reason this can allow foreigners a voice in US electiosn is that it gives multinational corporations the same free speech rights enjoyed by American citizens that are human beings.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

What happened to the right’s anti-court activism stance? Wasn’t it all of yesterday they were talking about how the courts shouldn’t make policy and now that their not in power they approve of court activism especially when it works for them.

Posted by: san39730 | January 28, 2010, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

“What happened to the right’s anti-court activism stance? Wasn’t it all of yesterday they were talking about how the courts shouldn’t make policy and now that their not in power they approve of court activism especially when it works for them.”
Yes the right wing’s rank hypocrisy would be shocking if not oh so predictable.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Now werent people sending money on pay cards to their candidates? With the names of Mickey Mouse, DOnald Duck, etc.. They sent in millions that way. Obama and McCain got tons of money from people and yes they were foreigners.

Posted by: larry | January 28, 2010, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

The clown in the Oval Office really is an idiot.
What was disturbing was the response by the Democrats in the audience. It was meant to deride and intimidate the SCOTUS.
It was thuggish.

Posted by: Barney | January 28, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

The clown in the Oval Office really is an idiot.
What was disturbing was the response by the Democrats in the audience. It was meant to deride and intimidate the SCOTUS.
It was thuggish.

Posted by: Barney | January 28, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

“Now werent people sending money on pay cards to their candidates?”
Pay cards?
Do you mean credit cards?
“With the names of Mickey Mouse, DOnald Duck, etc..”
No you are thinking of the voter registration fraud where people paid to collect registrations for voters submitted fake registrations to ACORN which was required by law to turn them over to the government.
“They sent in millions that way.”
Nope.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

Boy, I sure hope the 4 conservative justices have good security details.

Posted by: jeanneb | January 28, 2010, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Yes the right wing’s rank hypocrisy would be shocking if not oh so predictable.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jan 28, 2010 3:40:07 PM
_____________________________________
Republican motto: Party First – Country Second

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

“Republican motto: Party First – Country Second”
No.
“Republican Motto: Me First, Party Second, Country ehhh…somewhere in the top 5.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Obama is a clown ,in over his head,insulting the American people and the Supreme Court.He must think he is Chavez.

Posted by: Johnny L | January 28, 2010, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Watch the video. Does Justice Sotomayor (next to Justice Alito) also shake her head at Obama’s comment? It is not as pronounced as Justice Alito, and perhaps it was intended as admonishment to Justice Alito. Still…
Check it out.

Posted by: mzarowitz | January 28, 2010, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

“What happened to the right’s anti-court activism stance? Wasn’t it all of yesterday they were talking about how the courts shouldn’t make policy and now that their not in power they approve of court activism especially when it works for them.”
Yes the right wing’s rank hypocrisy would be shocking if not oh so predictable.
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Really? What happened to the left’s love of judicial activism? Wasn’t it yesterday they were talking about how the courts should make policy and now that they’re (learn how to spell) in power they disapprove of court activism especially when they don’t like the outcome?
Your hypocrisy would be shocking if not oh so predictable.

Posted by: Chiara | January 28, 2010, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

“What happened to the right’s anti-court activism stance? Wasn’t it all of yesterday they were talking about how the courts shouldn’t make policy and now that their not in power they approve of court activism especially when it works for them.”
Yes the right wing’s rank hypocrisy would be shocking if not oh so predictable.
——————————
Really? What happened to the left’s love of judicial activism? Wasn’t it yesterday they were talking about how the courts should make policy and now that they’re (learn how to spell) in power they disapprove of court activism especially when they don’t like the outcome?
Your hypocrisy would be shocking if not oh so predictable.

Posted by: Chiara | January 28, 2010, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

“With all due deference for seperation of powers” – no line ever uttered by this president displays who he truly is more clearly. Never forget this line. You all know how he feels about what he’s “showing deference” for by the delivery of this line.
Vote liberty over despotism,freedom over socialism, common sense over a long disproven ideology of government control and central planning. Vote Republican in 2010 & 2012.

Posted by: Paul From Bklyn | January 28, 2010, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

“Really? What happened to the left’s love of judicial activism?”
Good point.
The left cheers judicial activism when it helps citizens.
The right cheers judicial activism when it helps corporations at the expense of citizens.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Vote liberty over despotism,freedom over socialism, common sense over a long disproven ideology of government control and central planning. Vote Republican in 2010 & 2012.”
“Vote Corporation, Vote Republican”
There I shortened it for you.
It can even fit on a bumpersticker.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Too bad Justice Alito didn’t think to stand up and walk out on the spot. It would have been terrific as a teachable moment, as the act would have demonstrated very clearly that disrespect can be a two-way street. After all, we know just how much The Great and Powerful Oz loves those “teachable moments,” don’t we?

Posted by: Rope-A-Dope | January 28, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Had this been a liberal judge publicly mouthing disenting words about something a conservative president said, the “progressive” posture would undoubtedly be, “His head,His head!” What a bunch of dolts!

Posted by: ncarrizo | January 28, 2010, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Ryan-”The left cheers judicial activism when it helps citizens.
The right cheers judicial activism when it helps corporations at the expense of citizens.”
REALLY? Explain Kelo! THE death of private property for corporate tax advancement. The Left cares NOTHING for the little guy who has a mind of his own.

Posted by: JBear | January 28, 2010, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

I’m a life long republican and I completely agree with the President.
This decision is unprecedented in its outrageous foolishness. People have the right to free speech, not corporations. As a matter of fact, children do not have the complete right of free speech — just ask your school administrators.
Therefore the idea that a company has rights that some people don’t seems foolish and un-American to me.
It would make more sense to give Bonobos free speech rights than companies — at least they kind of look like people.
Alito can mouth whatever nonsense he wants, but the fact is that companies are not people.
This is what you get when you let ideologues occupy important government posts. There ought to be a “middle of the road” litmus test for every job.
Read Sandra Day O’Connors view…

Posted by: elboggo | January 28, 2010, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

The left cheers judicial activism when it helps citizens.
The right cheers judicial activism when it helps corporations at the expense of citizens.
Posted by: Ryan C |
It comes as news to some of the dead-enders that Democrats are in bed with corporations too.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | January 28, 2010, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Yes, Obama insulted the justices. But after all, why should they get much better treatment than the rest of us he has been insulting for over a year now.
I also find it amusing that Obama is “outraged” that corporations some of which may be controlled by foreigners should have equal rights as US citizens. Apparently, this outrage does not apply to foreign terrorist organizations getting equal rights as US citizens in civilian courts. Oh that’s right, I forgot: foreign Muslim extremists are innocent until proven guilty, but we are at war with corporations.

Posted by: EJM | January 28, 2010, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

“It comes as news to some of the dead-enders that Democrats are in bed with corporations too.”
Not at all.
The DLC was formed in the mid 80′s.
Really.
You should try to keep current.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

“REALLY? Explain Kelo! THE death of private property for corporate tax advancement. The Left cares NOTHING for the little guy who has a mind of his own.”
Who on the left cheered Kelo?
None that I remember though feel free to remind me.
Who is cheering this decision?
Every right wing moron with their corporate provided platform.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

What would you call George Soros? He is not a US citizen, he bank rolls ACCORN, SEIU, Code Pink, Media Matter’s, ANSWER, and the Obama campaign. funny how Obama seems to miss that fact, oh well facts aren’t exactly his style. The AP has quite a list of the lies the President told last night.

Posted by: Kay Smith | January 28, 2010, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Umm, exactly how did the court “make policy” in striking down a law Congress passed contrary to the First Amendment?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I don’t see where individuals are distinguished from groups of individuals in political parties, unions or corporations. It just says Congress shall make no law abridging speech. Period.

Posted by: EJM | January 28, 2010, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

“What would you call George Soros? He is not a US citizen, he bank rolls ACCORN, SEIU, Code Pink, Media Matter’s, ANSWER, and the Obama campaign.”
George Soros became an American citizen in 60′s after emigrating the United States in 1950′s.
He has donated money to Center for American Progress (a left leaning think tank), MoveOn and American Coming Together (a liberal pac) amogn others.
He has not donated to Media Matters.
Neither has he donated to Code Pink or ANSWER (wow really groping for right wing bogeymen)
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

“I don’t see where individuals are distinguished from groups of individuals in political parties, unions or corporations. It just says Congress shall make no law abridging speech. Period.”
Corporations have the same rights as people.
Ladies and gentlemen, pay attention to the right wingers.
For once they are being honest about their views.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

And BO supposedly Taught Constitution Law at some point in his career?? BO doesn’t know the first thing about the law, or maybe he could have googled before he wrote that part into his speech. Oh I forgot, B O IS NEVER WRONG!!! Seems like everyone EXCEPT BO makes mistakes!

Posted by: morphy | January 28, 2010, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

Obama is a child. Free speech for me but not for thee. Tell us Obama how much did you receive from foreign interests, corporation and your favorite the Unions during your campaign? Hypocrite! The Liar in Chief has no shame or class and couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it.

Posted by: tobias2012 | January 28, 2010, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

gallup has Obama at 47%. Guess the only ones that still believe his lies and will defend him to their death, even after he has been proven a lier(or just stupid I can’t decide) are the ones posting one here.

Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | January 28, 2010, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Tell the court to get off their high horse, and do something positive for the people, instead of allowing crime to run rampant.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | January 28, 2010, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Conservatives vote Rule of law or there is no Country. That is the big reason many middle of the roaders have been voting against Democrats. For the far left the end justifies the means. Anotherwords if I want it to be (FDR ) then it should be even if the rule of law says no way.

Posted by: threepines | January 28, 2010, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Vote Corporation. Vote Republican.
_______________________________
Kudos.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Apparently few if any of the posters have read the decision. It has been well established in generations of Supreme Court jurisprudence that freedom of speech is enjoyed by corporations, which after all are nothing more than associations of PEOPLE.
The provision the Supreme Court struck down for abridging freedom of speech was part of McCain-Feingold, a law designed to protect incumbent politicians by suppressing dissenting voices.
Freedom of speech is especially welcome when the president of the United States is a Marxist demagogue who persistently and falsely villifies citizens and businesses as enemies of the people.
The court decision says we’re allowed talk back, even at election time!

Posted by: Roy | January 28, 2010, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

gallup has Obama at 47%. Guess the only ones that still believe his lies and will defend him to their death, even after he has been proven a lier(or just stupid I can’t decide) are the ones posting one here.
______________________________________
President Reagan fell far below Obama to 35% approval during his first term. “Guess the only ones that still believe his lies and will defend him to their death, even after he has been proven a lier(or just stupid I can’t decide) are the ones posting one here.”

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

I doubt all of the members of the Supreme Court won’t show up for SOTU next year.
Alito heard a far more scathing critique of the decision when Justice Stevens read his dissent.

Posted by: Steve | January 28, 2010, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

“gallup has Obama at 47%. Guess the only ones that still believe his lies and will defend him to their death, even after he has been proven a lier(or just stupid I can’t decide) are the ones posting one here”
In a time of 10% unemployment the President’s job approval is nearly 50%.
2 years ago in a time of 6% unemployment, the President’s job approval was barely 30%.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Jeez you people are dumbos, I’m glad we have a Prez like Obama to make it clear! You see, the First Amendment doesn’t really say what it says, that stuff about “Congress shall make no law…” means that Barry can make the law! How dare the Supreme Court interpret and slant the Constitution in such a blatant, conservative manner as if it said, “Congress shall make no law…”! I don’t know how you conservative knuckle-dragger people arrive at the mistaken interpretation that “no law” means they can’t make a law!

Posted by: Not Chicken Little | January 28, 2010, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

“Apparently few if any of the posters have read the decision. It has been well established in generations of Supreme Court jurisprudence that freedom of speech is enjoyed by corporations, which after all are nothing more than associations of PEOPLE.”
It bears repeating…
Corporations have the same rights as people.
Ladies and gentlemen, pay attention to the right wingers.
For once they are being honest about their views.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

Kinda tough to figure this one out. The supreme court out of deference to the potus, sat in the SOTU speech to be scolded by the potus on their recent decision.
These three branches of government are supposed to be co-equal and owe some modicum of mutual respect. In reality, the picture of the potus personally scoldng his guests in his speech in public was uncomfortable to watch. That was the wrong forum and the wrong time.
I was surprised Obama was still in his “I’m always right. You’re always wrong” mode of discourse, even after Mass. Even the SCOTUS was beneath his intellect in their understanding of the first amendment in the constitution.
Alito’s comment was mild compared to what they could have done as a group. They could have walked out then and stay away from the next 2 SOTU and come back in late 2012.
That they chose to stay could be because they weren’t paying attention or their legs fell asleep (like Reid almost did).

Posted by: seattle_ben | January 28, 2010, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Bad manners indicates bad breeding. Under ordinary circumstances, I would say that Obama is white trash but that is not appropriate, is it? I guess the proper term is ‘uppity.’

Posted by: Annie | January 28, 2010, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

If someone can explain to me how a newspaper owned by a corporation could have freedom to run an editorial about an election just before it, but a corporation or other organization has no right to give its view through an advertisement in that paper or another media outlet, and that doesn’t amount to government regulation of political speech and of the press that the First Amendment was written to prevent, I’d like to read it. I did not realize that rights were so readily divisible or that we now license who can publish and who can’t like Chavezuela is now doing. I always thought the answer to speech was more speech. I guess I was wrong.

Posted by: editstet | January 28, 2010, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

ryan, just wait. He’s getting there faster than any other president in history.

Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | January 28, 2010, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

I mean, if members of the SCOTUS walked out, what’s Obama going to do, he can’t ask the sergeant at arms to shoot them, he can’t lecture the blue dogs to wrestle these people down to the ground.
And I think he needs his teleprompter too much to use it as a flying projectile.
Nope, not much there. I guess when things are tough, you just gotta do what you need, to let off some steam.

Posted by: seattle_ben | January 28, 2010, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

“ryan, just wait. He’s getting there faster than any other president in history.”
He’ll have to get on his horse to catch reagan

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

“If someone can explain to me how a newspaper owned by a corporation could have freedom to run an editorial about an election just before it, but a corporation or other organization has no right to give its view through an advertisement in that paper or another media outlet, and that doesn’t amount to government regulation of political speech and of the press that the First Amendment was written to prevent, I’d like to read it”
The poor oppressed corporations!
Why not take it a step further.
Eliminate all deceptive advertising laws.
After all if right wingers have the freedom to lie with impunity, why should corporation suffer under the yoke of telling the truth.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

Obama is a child. Free speech for me but not for thee. Tell us Obama how much did you receive from foreign interests, corporation and your favorite the Unions during your campaign? Hypocrite! The Liar in Chief has no shame or class and couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it.
Posted by: tobias2012 | Jan 28, 2010 5:20:38 PM
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Exactly. I remember all of the funds coming in from foreign donors and obama not revealing who they were. George Soros an be considered a large foreign corporate donor to obama and the moveon.org. Corporations will now be able to counter the millions of dollars unions contribute to obama and the democrats. Now we are on an even playing field that liberals, Acorn, obama, and democrats do not like.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

“Exactly. I remember all of the funds coming in from foreign donors”
Of course you would.
You were spewing that right wing garbage.
“George Soros an be considered a large foreign corporate donor to obama and the moveon.org”
George Soros is an American citizen.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Regardless of where you stand on the recent SCOTUS ruling, what Obama did last night was demonstrate he has NO CLASS.
On the facts, what he said was also untrue.
He acted as a bully in the same way that people allege Bush acted as a bully.
That is NOT presidential, that is immature. More and more I believe that the current person sitting in the Oval Office is nothing more than a man-child who lashes out at “whatever” when he starts to hit rough water.
Too bad, Obama YOU wanted the job. YOU got it! Time to man up and stop pointing fingers.
You might also try NOT inviting lobbyists to a secret meeting at the White House less than 24 hours after talking about “change” to how lobbyists get treated by you.

Posted by: Clean Sweep 11/2/10 | January 28, 2010, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Pamela Geller, who with the help of her readers at Atlas Shrugs broke and pursued the story in the summer of 2008, recounted much of her proof in a BigGovernment.com post on Monday. Here are selected excerpts, which are no substitute for reading the whole thing:
I broke the jaw-dropping story about how tens of thousands of dollars came in to the Obama campaign from a Hamas-controlled camp in Gaza. Al-Jazeera actually ran video of Obama phone banks in Gaza.
…. Gaza was not alone. The contributions came from over 50 nations. And many seemed intent on skirting campaign finance laws: Obama’s foreign contributors were making multiple small donations, ostensibly in their own names, over a period of a few days, some under maximum donation allowances — but others were aggregating in excess of the maximums when their contributions were all added up. Other donations came in from donors with names such as “Hbkjb,” “jkbkj,” and “Doodad.” Also, thousands of Obama’s foreign donations ended in cents. This was evidence of foreign contributors sending in donations in foreign currencies that exchanged into odd amounts. Americans living overseas would almost uniformly be able to contribute dollars, in set amounts.
…. The Obama campaign received a substantial amount of money from countries that have an interest in seeing a weak American President: $366,708.22 from China; $25,259.00 from the United Arab Emirates; $7,062.60 from Russia; and $6,716.28 from Saudi Arabia. Obama also took in $6,350.00 from Indonesia; $5,000.00 from Kenya; and $1,750.00 from Egypt.
…. If justice is to be done, Barack Obama will have to own up to his violations of campaign finance law, and pay the political price. An audit of Obama’s campaign finances is long overdue.
Pamela also noted at her blog in August 2008 that many of these foreign-sourced and bogus-named contributions were over the legal limit of $2,300.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Given all the problems in this country, why is J. Alito’s reaction newsworthy.
Geeze, maybe he just had a gas attack. No cameras in the U.S. Supreme Court for sure-ever. By the way, the world won’t end if no justices show up next year. But, I’ll take Prof. Powes’ bet.

Posted by: B. Bear | January 28, 2010, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

This classless little thug doesn’t deserve to be in the same room with these judicial scholars let alone bark at them like a junk yard dog.
Obama’s problem is that he does not understand our form of government. Yes he won the election. But he thinks that gives him the right to “rule” against the will of the people. ” I won” better get it through his head that he works for us and we can get rid of him at anytime.

Posted by: Reilly | January 28, 2010, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

When George Soros failed to obtain the election of his candidate, John Kerry, in 2004, he brooded for a while, even said he might get out of politics altogether, but he just couldn’t stop himself. He has stated publicly that he wishes to burst the “bubble of American supremacy,” because he says our preeminence in the world is a detriment to global “equilibrium.” So far, he has failed, but he keeps on trying.
And Mr. Soros has made no secret either of the fact that he sees the shortest way to effect political shake-ups, what he terms “regime changes,” is through very difficult economic conditions.
************
Soros is no American.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Obamam was not the only one who disagreed with Alito and his bunch. The other 4 Judges also disagreed and wrote about it. Remember it wasa 5-4

Posted by: Jack Jack | January 28, 2010, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

“Pamela Geller, who with the help of her readers at Atlas Shrugs broke and pursued the story in the summer of 2008,”
Pamela Geller also claimed Obama had a forged birth certificate and was really born in Kenya.
That was before she claimed Obama;s real father was Malcolm X.
She advocates White Nationalism, hates Muslims and supports war criminals in Bosnia.
She is emblematic of all the worst traits of the right wing.
So color me shocked when you, the self proclaimed Hillary supporting former Democrat turned “independent”, would cite her in any way shape or form.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

“Soros is no American.
Posted by: Jenny | Jan 28, 2010 6:14:44 PM”
George Soros became a naturalized American citizen after moving here in the 1950′s.
And you should cite someone else’s work when you copy paste it.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Again, I repeat, Soros is no American. He wants the demise of our country. obama said last night that American will not be 2nd, didn’t he? Ryan should be against Soros, but instead he is defending Soros because probably he works at moveon.org or one of the many organizations that Soros owns.
Ryan cannot deny that obama took foreign funds for his campaign. Ryan cannot deny obama is a hypocrit.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

So color me shocked when you, the self proclaimed Hillary supporting former Democrat turned “independent”, would cite her in any way shape or form.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jan 28, 2010 6:25:04 PM
**********
Hey Ryan – Don’t ever call me a former Democrat. I would be embarrassed if I were ever a registered Democrat. I campaigned for Hillary Clinton as an Independent through and through. Who would want to be associated with the liar obama, incompetent liberals pelosi and reid; and the person responsible for the housing market collapse barney frank or chris dodd taking special favors from countrywide, not to mention the cheating husbands clinton and edwards. Did I mention Kennedy the murderer and timmy tax cheat and daschle tax cheat. charlie rangle, gosh are there any more? No wonder democrats are running away from their former party in droves!

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

No class … how about your right-wing classless Joe “You Lie” Wilson. Talk about low breeding. Last year Wilson embarassed not only himself, but also his office and the Congress. So if you want to start calling people white trash, let’s start with Wilson. I’d say he embarassed his constituents, but I think the majority of them are just like him. No Democrat or Independent ever yelled out “you lie” to George Bush and he did lie ..remember the WMD’s
And don’t go around saying that people are unfairly accusing you of being racist. You all deserve that title when you use words like “uppity” to refer to Obama as was done in one of the above comments. Just come out and admit it that you Republicans are so angry that a black man is in office that you all can’t see straight.
So what if the Supreme Court doesn’t show up next year. These people are adults and if they are so childish as not show up because they got their feelings hurt then they are too immature to hold the position of a justice on the Supreme Court. They are a branch of our government and it’s their job to be there.

Posted by: I've Had It | January 28, 2010, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

This is silly.
The SCOTUS made a decision he did not like. Obama does not have the right to say so? Anyone else is free to criticize their decisions, why not him? Just because they are in the audience? So what?
Since 4 of the justices apparently agreed with Obama, why would they boycott the address next year? What are they supposed to be angry about? Having someone agree with them? They were probably cheering on the inside, as he repeated the assertions they made in their opinions.
People get passionate about important things, but Obama was nowhere near rude, let alone something that would keep the justices from attending the speech. I am sure Alito and Scalia enjoyed the attention.

Posted by: joe | January 28, 2010, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

by pratice they don’t even clap anyways ,So why would President Obama care.
So you put more cheering people in that section , i see a upside.

Posted by: cptcurl | January 28, 2010, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

“Again, I repeat, Soros is no American.”
Again you are wrong.
He is an American citizen.
“He wants the demise of our country.”
Nope.
Soros wanted Bush out of office not the demise of our country.
Right wing nuts often tried to conflate the two.
That a vote against Bush was a vote against your country.
That of course changed when Obama became President.
“Ryan cannot deny that obama took foreign funds for his campaign.”
Why would I?
Both campaigns took in foreign money which they then had to refund.
Poor McCain got snookered by a bundling buddy.
So why did you cite such an unrepentant racist?
There were a couple of stories out there, USA Today, Newsweek that dealt with the issue.
Were you just most familiar with the racist Pamela Geller?

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Disgraceful.

Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | January 28, 2010, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

“I campaigned for Hillary Clinton as an Independent through and through. Who would want to be associated with the liar obama, incompetent liberals pelosi and reid; and the person responsible for the housing market collapse barney frank or chris dodd taking special favors from countrywide, not to mention the cheating husbands clinton and edwards”
ROFLMAO!
You campaigned for Hillary but would never wanted to be associated with the cheating husband Clinton.
Someone’s lies are not matching up!
“No wonder democrats are running away from their former party in droves!”
Gee I thought you were an independent?

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

He thinks he is smarter than the Supreme Court, but we still can’t see his grades.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 28, 2010, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

I’d like to take the professor’s bet that no justices will appear next year. I think he’s gotten a little too close to his topic.
For a lot of money, he said.
Cool. Put me down for a $1000 that some justices will show up.

Posted by: Louie | January 28, 2010, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

“No class … how about your right-wing classless Joe “You Lie” Wilson. Talk about low breeding. Last year Wilson embarassed not only himself, but also his office and the Congress. So if you want to start calling people white trash, let’s start with Wilson.” Posted by I’ve Had It.***************
“Asked today what President Obama’s reaction was to Justice Alito’s reaction, White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton said, “one of the great things about our democracy is that powerful members of the government at high levels can disagree in public and in private. This is one of those cases.”********
The President can say anything he wants for everyone to hear, but the opposition better be quiet about it. Double standard?

Posted by: wheresmymoney | January 28, 2010, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

“The President can say anything he wants for everyone to hear, but the opposition better be quiet about it. Double standard?”
Let’s see the President directly states his disagreement with the Supreme Court decision offering them due respect and deference.
To a right wingers, this is the same as a Congressman screaming out you lie in the middle of a speech.
No wonder Beck and Rush make money off these idiots.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Many of the comments here demonstrate that the poster has not even taken the time to read and understand the decision of the Court. But perhaps more astounding is the knee jerk criticism of corporations that betrays a lack of sophistication and understanding of the business world. Many businesses operate in the corporate form for a number of reasons – tax and benefit considerations and limited liability for the principal(s) being chief among these reasons. Its possible that your doctor, your convenience store owner, and the local coffee shop and some of your favorite charities are such businesses. The campaign finance laws operated against these businesses as surely as it did against multi-nationals.
Just another perspective to consider.

Posted by: 4everyman | January 28, 2010, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

@Jenny
“I won” better get it through his head that he works for us and we can get rid of him at anytime.”
How do you propose to do that “at anytime?”
Answer recklessly, please.

Posted by: Louie | January 28, 2010, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

“Many of the comments here demonstrate that the poster has not even taken the time to read and understand the decision of the Court. But perhaps more astounding is the knee jerk criticism of corporations that betrays a lack of sophistication and understanding of the business world. Many businesses operate in the corporate form for a number of reasons – tax and benefit considerations and limited liability for the principal(s) being chief among these reasons. Its possible that your doctor, your convenience store owner, and the local coffee shop and some of your favorite charities are such businesses. The campaign finance laws operated against these businesses as surely as it did against multi-nationals.”
ROFLMAO!
Now its all about the Mom and Pop “S’ corporations being able to have greater influence than then mere citizen!
Right wingers grow desperate to cover up their defense of outright corporate ownership of our government.
While I am not crazy about public financing of elections because I think there is an inherent advantage to incumbents maybe its time we really explored it.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

@Jenny
“I won” better get it through his head that he works for us and we can get rid of him at anytime.”
How do you propose to do that “at anytime?”
Answer recklessly, please.
Posted by: Louie | Jan 28, 2010 6:59:45 PM
**********
Go back and reread the comments. I didn’t post that.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

Obama definitelty hit the SCOTUS below the belt. I know of no sitting Justice who would publicly diss the President. They have dignity and class whereas Obama completely missed class. The mask is slipping, folks!

Posted by: Libertarian Rebel | January 28, 2010, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

ROFLMAO!
You campaigned for Hillary but would never wanted to be associated with the cheating husband Clinton.
Someone’s lies are not matching up!
“No wonder democrats are running away from their former party in droves!”
Gee I thought you were an independent?
Posted by: Ryan C | Jan 28, 2010 6:50:26 PM
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You’re not very sharp, Ryan “ROFLMAO” or logical. Maybe if you read my post again, you’ll get it.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

That was due respect and deference? Please. That was political hackery. That was a President without any executive experience demeaning the office of the President.
Stop making up excuses for this hack cry baby of a disaster.

Posted by: Aaron | January 28, 2010, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

“Maybe if you read my post again, you’ll get it.”
Sure.
You mentioned that you hate several Democrats who are dead or out of office or retiring.
I understand that.
I also understand having right wing views even if I dont agree with him.
What I don’t understand is why you claim you supported Hillary when every liberal thing you rant about is something Hillary is a champion of.
Actually I do understand.
Its quite simple actually.
You are lying.
Which leads me back to my pet theory.
Is the right wing a pathologically dishonest ideology or does it merely attract a disproportionate number of pathologically dishonest people?

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

President Warren Harding in 1922 (also a State of the Union address) urged passage of a constitutional amendment to counteract Supreme Court rulings — the decisions that placed child labor “outside the proper domain of federal regulation,” as he put it. Harding added, “We ought to amend [the Constitution] to meet the demands of the people when sanctioned by deliberate public opinion.”
There is a precedent for this – its done when a President feels laws need to be rewritten – since what the Supreme Court does is interpret law.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

Ryan, you can’t stand the fact that people who supported Hillary didn’t blindly follow obama. You try to categorize people by ideology but you can’t. You just can’t define people that way. I suggest you search your soul and try to understand your obsession with the word “lie.” Were you lied to as a child or still being lied to? Actually I answered my own question. You are being lied to by a person you put a lot of time and energy into. I think you know it but will not admit it. You’ll feel better when you do. obama lied to you and continues to do so.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

what we have here is just a lack of communication, we the people need to impeach both democrats and republicans and the potus, and start all over again, our u.s. constitution and the bill of rights are being trashed by all these crooks in office and the some of these people who have drank the kool-aid need to wake up and drink coffee before these marxist in office take the rest of your liberty and freedom, if any of you are americans, true americans and love your freedom, stand up against this tyranny. a soldier for the republic

Posted by: donald rutledge | January 28, 2010, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

Obama has certainly insulted the
American people……..why not the
Supreme Court?
I see that RyanC is on parole again.

Posted by: Sir Toby Belch | January 28, 2010, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

people who have drank the kool-aid
_____________________________________
“kool-aid”! Now that is clever! Did you think that up yourself? Good thing you’re not just a mindless ideological parrot mouthing slogans. Nice to see people thinking independently!

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Obama is rude and classless.
He has been a total failure as president.
To make himself feel better he publically humiliates others.
Obama needs psychological help.

Posted by: tyler | January 28, 2010, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

Obama has certainly insulted the
American people……..why not the
Supreme Court?
__________________________________
Oh yeah?
WASHINGTON: Eight in ten Americans have approved of the proposals president Barack Obama made in his State of the Union speech on Wednesday, according to a new poll.
It also revealed that 70% of speech watchers think that Obama shares the same priorities for the country as they do. Only 57% thought so before the speech.
ANI

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

divide and conquer.

Posted by: cindy | January 28, 2010, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

“Ryan, you can’t stand the fact that people who supported Hillary didn’t blindly follow obama.”
No.
I cant stand the fact that right wingers pretend to support Hillary as they denigrate the causes she has spent her life fighting for.
All to attack Obama.
Please tell me what domestic policies that Clinton advocated that you are also for?
Her plan for universal healthcare?
Windfall taxes on oil profits?
More entitlement programs?
Pro choice?
Gun Control?

Posted by: RyanC | January 28, 2010, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

“if any of you are americans, true americans and love your freedom, stand up against this tyranny. a soldier for the republic”
Great another Timothy McVeigh in the making.

Posted by: RyanC | January 28, 2010, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

Obama was all over the place last night making sure he had either pandered to or insulted just about everyone.
He is totally lost.
That’s what happens when you have no principles, stand for nothing, and sell out to the highest bidder.

Posted by: ollie | January 28, 2010, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

“Is the right wing a pathologically dishonest ideology or does it merely attract a disproportionate number of pathologically dishonest people?”
Lead by example.

Posted by: Skip | January 28, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

“That’s what happens when you have no principles, stand for nothing, and sell out to the highest bidder.”
Hey be nice to Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

“Lead by example.
Posted by: Skip | Jan 28, 2010 7:40:03 PM”
By George…I think he’s got it!

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

I liked her, Ryan. I know she would work hard for the country and do everything in her power to do what was right for the country. She is doing that now. How many vacations has she had? She is working her butt off!! She won every debate against obama. I remember telling her in Parma OH – to “kill him on foreign policy” right before she debated him in TX. And she did. She wiped the floor with him on foreign policy.
After each debate, she won that state primary.
You can’t categorize Independents. In fact, don’t categorize Democrats or Republicans. Many Republicans voted for obama and many Democrats voted for McCain. Many Democrats voted for Brown last week.
Maybe you should start opening your mind.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Insulting the members of a co-equal branch of government under circumstances where they cannot respond is the ultimate sign of an utter lack of class–and cowardice.
No wonder Hillary is positioning herself to challenge him. She knows a failed presidency when she sees one.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | January 28, 2010, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

And you know what Ryan, I can’t stand people like you who, after you assassinated her character all over the internet, act like you are a supporter of hers. You are one of the moveon.org or dailykos people who were up all night saying terrible things about her on every blog you could find.
And you know you will be right back hating on Hillary if/when she decides to run against obama in 2012. And she might.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Mnus 17 at Rasmussen today. As Dem pollsters Caddell and Schoen said this month, Ras has an “unchallenged record of integrity and accuracy.”
We’re winning. The serfs are losing, and they can feel it.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | January 28, 2010, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

Democrats love to whip up the fear of corporations. Remember how they used to demonize Big Pharma? That was before Big Pharma sweet talked Obama into a deal. And recall that part of that deal included a sizable donation by Big Pharma to be used to advocate for Obamacare. Democrats don’t care when corporations advocate Democrat’s approved views.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | January 28, 2010, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Jake tapper- someone should have read and explained the 185 page decision of the court to you and prof.obama. you both got it wrong as far as foreign corporations being able to contribute legally.

Posted by: bobby 99 | January 28, 2010, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

There wasn’t anything in the Presidents remarks that wasn’t objectively true. He did not question their motivation for ruling the way they did.
If they take it as an insult, it is more a reflection on their own ‘consciouness of guilt’ than it is on the Presidents manners.

Posted by: Flash Override | January 28, 2010, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

bobby 99, name one public corporation that doesn’t have any foreign shareholders.

Posted by: Flash Override | January 28, 2010, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Oh yeah?
WASHINGTON: Eight in ten Americans have approved of the proposals president Barack Obama made in his State of the Union speech on Wednesday, according to a new poll.
It also revealed that 70% of speech watchers think that Obama shares the same priorities for the country as they do. Only 57% thought so before the speech.
ANI
Posted by: tierra | Jan 28, 2010 7:29:33 PM
************
You definitely won’t need to come out to the polls in November. Maybe those polls are a Republican conspiracy – to make you believe everything’s all right with obama’s policies and Congress’ spending. Republicans hope you forget about what happened in MA too.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

“As Dem pollsters Caddell and Schoen said this month, Ras has an “unchallenged record of integrity and accuracy.”
ROFLMAO!
Yes Patrick Caddel who LEFT the Democratic Party in 1988 and who has claimed that the GOP didnt use gay marriage as a wedge in 2004 and that the Terri Schiavo bill was a good idea.
He just happens to be a regular on FoxNews.
The best part if Rasmussen yet again thinks he needs to sell his integrity to the public by making claims of bipartisan approval.
That he deliberately leaves out parts of the biography kind of undermines his quest for integrity.
Doug Schoen is from the scummy Democratic consultant wing that includes Penn.
Both worked on Hillary’s campaign and caused her to lose.
And of course, Schoen is a regular toady in FoxNews.
But I must give some kudos.
After leaving up a faulty analysis that used bogus numbers, Rasmussen has finally taken it down from his list o “credibility”

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Please tell me what domestic policies that Clinton advocated that you are also for?
Her plan for universal healthcare?
Windfall taxes on oil profits?
More entitlement programs?
Pro choice?
Gun Control?
Posted by: RyanC | Jan 28, 2010 7:32:29 PM
_________________________________
Didn’t see any kind of answer on these or any other policies of Clinton’s supported. Not even any details on foreign policy supported.
I have a feeling you’re right Ryan – the support seems either bogus, or shallow.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

And you know what Ryan, I can’t stand “people like you who, after you assassinated her character all over the internet, act like you are a supporter of hers.”
Except I actually supported Hillary and have never assassinated her character.
I would have been fine with either candidate though I thought Obama’s operation had a better chance against the GOP.
Both advocating concentrating on Afghanistan versus Iraq, both had very similar and liberal domestic policies, etc.
“I liked her, Ryan. I know she would work hard for the country and do everything in her power to do what was right for the country”
And yet you spit on everything she spent her life championing on a near daily basis.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

“Didn’t see any kind of answer on these or any other policies of Clinton’s supported. Not even any details on foreign policy supported.”
Of course not.
You have to actual know something about the policy to have an opinion.
“I have a feeling you’re right Ryan – the support seems either bogus, or shallow.”
I would have said shallow but for the way she wields her Hillary support as a weapon.

Posted by: RyanC | January 28, 2010, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

“And who do either of you think you are?”
I’m Ryan C.
The guy who called you out on your lies.

Posted by: RyanC | January 28, 2010, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

I would have said shallow but for the way she wields her Hillary support as a weapon.
Posted by: RyanC | Jan 28, 2010 8:21:17 PM
*********
Apparently it’s tag team time. Is this a Soros/moveon.org tactic? Double up when you can’t handle it alone? To quote you, Ryan – ‘ROFLMAO!!!!’

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

“Let’s discuss obama taking foreign campaign contributions during the 2008 and what a hypocrit he is for feigning outrage about it last night”
Probably because mistakenly taking in foreign donations that must be returned and are illegal is alot different than having foreign donations to campaigns thru corporate spending being legalized.
Both McCain and Obama had to return donations from foreigners.
Neither fought to keep such donations which in the scale of each’s fundraising were not that much.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

“And who do either of you think you are?”
I’m Ryan C.
The guy who called you out on your lies.
Posted by: RyanC | Jan 28, 2010 8:22:42 PM
**********
I can help you with your obsession about people lying to you. Let’s start with your support for obama. Once you admit to yourself that obama is the liar, you will feel much much better.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

I would have said shallow but for the way she wields her Hillary support as a weapon.
Posted by: RyanC | Jan 28, 2010 8:21:17 PM
_________________________________
It is truly amazing the underhanded tactics the right wing will use – it’s the totalitarian aspects of their belief system. The end justifies the means. Because we are so good, we are allowed to cheat, lie, insult, attack, name call, fabricate – anything as long as the Democrats lose. The right wing and the Republican right are part of the corruption that cripples the nation.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Wrong again, Ryan. Do you really believe YOUR lies or the lies that people tell you. obama and his people are telling you lies. They took foreign money in their campaign and lied about it.
The lesson for you: Seek help for your delusions.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

“It seems that many democrats who turned against Hillary Clinton received KARMA – Edwards, Kennedy, Dashcle, Dodd, Frank, Richardson/Judas…and on and on”
Huh?
Frank was one of Hillary’s biggest supporters from the very beginning.
Dodd and Richardson were running AGAINST Hillary before ultimately throwing their support behind Obama.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

“It is truly amazing the underhanded tactics the right wing will use – it’s the totalitarian aspects of their belief system. The end justifies the means. Because we are so good, we are allowed to cheat, lie, insult, attack, name call, fabricate – anything as long as the Democrats lose.”
Bingo!

Posted by: RyanC | January 28, 2010, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Don’t give up, Tierra and Ryan. You are quite the entertainment and good for a laugh.
__________________________________
You’re just embarrassed to be caught in your lies “Jenny” . . . p.s – you haven’t presented any ‘facts’.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

I can help you with your obsession about people lying to you”
Really?
So you’re going to stop lying?
I have no fancy notion that you can convince your fellow right wing posters to do so but if you personally could stop lying that would help.

Posted by: RyanC | January 28, 2010, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

The law prohibiting foreign nationals from making independent expenditures in US elections doesn’t apply to foreign-owned corporations that incorporate in the U.S., or have U.S. subsidiaries — meaning most foreign multinationals likely aren’t covered. So there’s “essentially no difference” between domestic and foreign corporations in terms of their ability to pump money into U.S. elections.
Obama was exactly right.

Posted by: Flash Override | January 28, 2010, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

” You are unwilling to look at the facts”
Let me know when you post any.

Posted by: RyanC | January 28, 2010, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

“Ryan, you seriously don’t have any logic in that small brain of yours.”
The “logic” being that karma from not supporting Hillary somehow caused these men misfortune.
Sometime the comedy writes itself.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

“Obama was exactly right.”
I am interested to see how McCain reacts.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

“I’ll start: He told you Gitmo would be closed by January 21, 2010.”
Sorry Jenny.
Wile I was born at night, it wasn’t last night.
I am well aware of what promises can be made by a candidate and which can actually be accomplished.
Obama is working on closing Gitmo as soon as possible.
That is what I believed he would seek to do and he is doing just that.
There are quite a few things Obama (indeed any candidate) promises that he cannot act on alone.
I was disappointed that DADT was not rescinded this year but am again hopeful it will be repealed.
Also the rescinding of the DOMA, is something he can advocate but that the Democrats are unlikely to take on this year.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

Why no respect for Buddhism, Ryan?

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

“I thought liberals were supposed to be sensitive to all religions. obama supports christians, muslims, and yes even the theory of Karma in Buddhism. Are you breaking from liberal ideology? Or all all liberals athiests?”
What does logic have to do with religion?
Its faith and belief.
Not logic.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

What your religion (or any religion) has to do with logic is where I go fuzzy.
Then again what am I apologizing for.
The Buddhism is likely another lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jan 28, 2010 8:50:55 PM
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I think you’re confused again. Where did I tie logic and religion? And why are we on this topic. Instead of arguing with people about ideology, why not join with them on things on which you can agree?
We can agree that obama lied or according to you, didn’t keep some of his promises. Do you see how you are justifying his lies? He lied to get support from people like you for political gain. Only he is the only one gaining. You are sitting here defending him day and night only for him to lie to you and give you a carrot now and then. YOU are not getting what you want, he is. Now that’s not fair.
We can both be mad but for different reasons.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

“Where did I tie logic and religion?”
When you stated I could not follow the logic of Democrats that did not support Hillary suffered from karma.
Cmon now, I know right wingers have convenient amnesia but you just wrote this.
“Instead of arguing with people about ideology, why not join with them on things on which you can agree?”
Ok, which domestic policy of Hillary’s did you support.
That would be the start of common ground.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Obama and the Democrats were already facing a difficult election year without attacking the Supreme Court. Last time a President did so was in 1937 when FDR tried to pack the court. As a result the Democrats lost 72 seats. Certainly his election will not be that severe unless Obama, Reid and Pelosi continue to allow their egos to go unchecked. Then all bets are off.

Posted by: Allen, SD | January 28, 2010, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

No Ryan, they were separate. Go back and look. Maybe you misunderstood me.
Well I supported all of Hillary’s domestic policies. In fact, I studied her economic blueprint before I met her in Parma. I thought she might ask me some questions. She had many great ideas that obama eventually stole – for example, when she said that we could lower health care costs by cleaning up medical records and making them available online. I thought it was a great idea that ALL Americans receive the same medical options that she and other Senators had. That’s fair. She had a great way of explaining how green jobs could improve the economy and discussed intelligently how wind power from Lake Erie could improve northeastern OH’s economy. In fact, in each state she visited, she spoke intelligently how each state’s special resources could be used to improve that state’s economy. Remember Oregon and West Virginia? Indiana? People in each state were impressed with how much she knew and could help them. She did her homework.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Obama and his ilk have stooped (bowed) to new lows. That whole crowd just reeks of old time Chicago politics, union gangsterism, and the indulgence of self-entitlement.
The State of the Union was so steeped in wishful, destructive thinking and mistruths that I’m surprised the smell of sulfur didn’t fill the chamber, and random lightning bolts didn’t dash the dais.
Pelosi is her typical sociopathic self, doing everything to subvert the law and the people. She may be Speaker of the House, but she deserves no courtesy, no civility, because she doesn’t act within the role of her Office but, instead, works over her adversaries like a union thug.
Lefties had better start digging spider holes because the end is nigh for all of you.

Posted by: Mhu Cao | January 28, 2010, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Obama and the Democrats were already facing a difficult election year without attacking the Supreme Court.
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The majority support the President in this – people don’t want corporations or unions ‘buying’ elections through unlimited wealth poured into unlimited political advertising budgets.
Nor do they want even the possibility of foreign corporations bankrolling American political media campaigns.
This won’t damage the President of the Democrats at all – in fact it is to their advantage.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Obama and the Democrats were already facing a difficult election year without attacking the Supreme Court. Last time a President did so was in 1937 when FDR tried to pack the court. As a result the Democrats lost 72 seats. ”
Though the court packing controversy was a factor, you also have to take into consideration how many seats the Democrats held going into that election making it hard to defend all the gains.
The Democrats had a 262 to 169 advantage (more 3rd parties then) AFTER losing 72 seats and the GOP gaining 81.

Posted by: Ruan C | January 28, 2010, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

The majority support the President in this – people don’t want corporations or unions ‘buying’ elections through unlimited wealth poured into unlimited political advertising budgets.
Nor do they want even the possibility of foreign corporations bankrolling American political media campaigns.
This won’t damage the President of the Democrats at all – in fact it is to their advantage.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 28, 2010 9:15:33 PM
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What world are you living in? I suggest you begin opening your eyes and reading or watching something other than the liberal spun news or November will take you by surprise. Never mind…maybe you should go on believing as you do…

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

The majority support the President in this – people don’t want corporations or unions ‘buying’ elections through unlimited wealth poured into unlimited political advertising budgets.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 28, 2010 9:15:33 PM
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You must be upset at obama that he and his campaign received $65Million from unions and he in turn is giving them tax free health care. How much do you think pharmaceutical companies gave obama during his campaign? Why did they spend $150M in advertising for obama’s health care? That must make you angry too.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

WASHINGTON: Eight in ten Americans have approved of the proposals president Barack Obama made in his State of the Union speech on Wednesday, according to a new poll.
An instant poll conducted by CBS News and Knowledge Networks found that 83% of speech watchers approve Obama’s proposals, while 17% disapprove them.
It also revealed that 70% of speech watchers think that Obama shares the same priorities for the country as they do. Only 57% thought so before the speech.
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The majority support the President in this – people don’t want corporations or unions ‘buying’ elections through unlimited wealth poured into unlimited political advertising budgets.
Nor do they want even the possibility of foreign corporations bankrolling American political media campaigns.
This won’t damage the President of the Democrats at all – in fact it is to their advantage.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

“Well I supported all of Hillary’s domestic policies.”
And yet you attack universal healthcare calling it socialism.
“So less then 3% of all Americans are truly uninsured and all you hear about is that the system is a calamity and it needs to be completely replaced by the great socialized medicine.
Posted by: Jenny | Oct 19, 2009 1:59:02 PM”
So do you no longer support anything that Hillary supported?

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Jenny says that Obama is giving unions tax free health care.
Jenny learn the facts! The unions were against the health care tax Obama proposed as it would require them to pay taxes on the premium health care plans they have negotiated.

Posted by: Lori | January 28, 2010, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Why did they spend $150M in advertising for obama’s health care?
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Listen, the Bush Cheney Republican administration hand in hand with Cheney’s old company Halliburton ‘lost’ $9 BILLION dollars in Iraq.
That is $9 BILLION dollars ‘misplaced’ – through Cheney’s Halliburton buddies. Do you also remember the couple of BILLION dollars ‘misplaced’ by Rumsfeld in the Pentagon?
I am FAR more incensed about that. You’re talking gross mismanagement and corruption in the Bush Republican era.
You need a little historical perspective to go with your ideological bigotry.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

“You must be upset at obama that he and his campaign received $65Million from unions and he in turn is giving them tax free health care”
That would be odd since unions can’t contribute directly to campaigns.
Are you referring to 3rd party ads?
Perhaps contributions to his PAC or the Democratic party?

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

The Supreme Court was designed to protect the people from far reaching government, settle disputes between states and to defend the constitution. FDR wanted the constitution to be hung on the wall to be looked at and not to be taken seriously. He wanted all the power that comes with leading a democracy, something the US is NOT. Anything but. We are a constitutional republic with SOME democratic characteristics. All democracies fail.

Posted by: john | January 28, 2010, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Anybody got a federal court that the Attorney General can borrow. He seems to have written a check he can’t cash.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | January 28, 2010, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

I see the Obama youth brigade is out in full force tonight attempting to rescue their hero from his dismal performance last night. Keep spinning, my young friends, keep spinning. No one, and I mean no one is buying Obama’s false populist rage. Especially independents. He’s lost them for good, and the Dems are dreading November. How quickly things have changed.

Posted by: Woody | January 28, 2010, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

Looks like we have SEIU, moveon.org and the basement of the white house represented here. It’s all fair. $65 Million from the unions to obama’s campaign. Makes you a little mad doesn’t it and you can spin it however you want but this is why the tide is turning against you liberals. And I touched on something that makes Tierra a little angry. It’s ok if obama does it but Bush and Cheney can’t do it. Who are you arguing with, Tierra? I don’t care about Bush/Cheney. Who cares about them anymore? Oh right, you liberals do – you have to have someone to blame.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Hey Lori, the American people don’t like your Union deal.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Hey Ryan – you’re stretching here to make your argument. Sorry, but you cannot deduce from my comment that I am for socialized medicine. ROFLMAO!

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

“Looks like we have SEIU, moveon.org and the basement of the white house represented here.”
Again with that persecution complex.
I guess it makes you feel better to think some big bad group kicked your butt versus a a couple of people that know history and how to use google.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

Looks like Tierra is also upset with obama about something. Why not take it up with him instead of defending him on this blog? You know you are angry that he made a deal with the pharmaceutical companies – something that he promised not to do during the campaign. Another lie from obama to the liberals! He is a hypocrit and lies to his own followers. When are you going to learn!

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

Will you liberals be mad when obama moves the KSM trial from Manhattan to another location? Another win for the right wingers another loss for the libs.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

I see the Obama youth brigade is out in full force tonight attempting to rescue their hero from his dismal performance last night.
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That’s your opinion, but not the opinion of the majority of the people who aren’t knee-jerk ideologues . …
WASHINGTON: Eight in ten Americans have approved of the proposals president Barack Obama made in his State of the Union speech on Wednesday, according to a new poll.
An instant poll conducted by CBS News and Knowledge Networks found that 83% of speech watchers approve Obama’s proposals, while 17% disapprove them.
It also revealed that 70% of speech watchers think that Obama shares the same priorities for the country as they do. Only 57% thought so before the speech.
On the question of creating jobs, 59% now think that Obama has a clear plan for creating them, while only 40% thought so earlier.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

“Sorry, but you cannot deduce from my comment that I am for socialized medicine. ”
Did someone else write this then?
“Well I supported all of Hillary’s domestic policies. In fact, I studied her economic blueprint before I met her in Parma.”
Of course Hillary’s domestic policies included more entitlements and a robust public healthcare option that MANDATED everyone have coverage whether thru sign up for public programs or buying their own insurance or insurance through a company.
Do you lie to yourself as much as you do to others?
I imagine that would be a given.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

“Nope Ryan, it is I who has whipped you into a frenzy tonight making you think about who is really lying to you.”
ROFLMAO!
Poor Jenny.
She really wanted to hold onto her Clinton supporter lie but she keeps undermining by repeating right wing talking points attacking the very things Sec Clinton was pushing for in the campaign.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

“We are a constitutional republic with SOME democratic characteristics”
Is the whole right-wing ‘republic vs democracy’ fascination justification to potentially attempt to weaken the will of the majority somehow someday?

Posted by: Skip | January 28, 2010, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

Haliburton isn’t so bad now that obama is playing the same game.
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Listen, the Bush Cheney Republican administration hand in hand with Cheney’s old company Halliburton ‘lost’ $9 BILLION dollars in Iraq.
That is $9 BILLION dollars ‘misplaced’ – through Cheney’s Halliburton buddies. Do you also remember the couple of BILLION dollars ‘misplaced’ by Rumsfeld in the Pentagon?
I am FAR more incensed about that. You’re talking gross mismanagement and corruption in the Bush Republican era.
You need a little historical perspective to go with your ideological bigotry.
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Now that the incompetent Halliburton cronies Bush and Cheney are out of power – the misteps are under far better control.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Nothing new here,Obama is trying to bully and intimidate the other two branches of government.

Posted by: Ross | January 28, 2010, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

She really wanted to hold onto her Clinton supporter lie but she keeps undermining by repeating right wing talking points attacking the very things Sec Clinton was pushing for in the campaign.
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Just one of the many lies put forward here under the name of Republican right wing dignity.

Posted by: tierra | January 28, 2010, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

“You do realize this could be considered a compliment”
Being called a liar and a parrot of right wing talking points is a compliment?
Maybe on FoxNews but not in the real world.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Now that the incompetent Halliburton cronies Bush and Cheney are out of power – the misteps are under far better control.
Posted by: tierra | Jan 28, 2010 10:11:41 PM
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What was so bad about Haliburton? What caused you to hate Bush and Cheney so much. I’ve always wondered this about liberals. I didn’t mind them at all – they didn’t affect me like they apparently affected you. I’m wondering why, when obama does the same thing w/not prosecuting ACorn and the Black Panthers, that you don’t get the same level of anger.

Posted by: Jenny | January 28, 2010, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

“What was so bad about Haliburton?”
They took in billions in no bid contracts thanks to their CEO being the Vice President of the United States and produced shoddy food, equipment and facilities for our men and women in uniform.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

“What caused you to hate Bush and Cheney so much?”
Ask Hillary

Posted by: Skip | January 28, 2010, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

“I’m wondering why, when obama does the same thing w/not prosecuting ACorn and the Black Panthers, that you don’t get the same level of anger.”
Jenny is offering up the entire buffet of right wing bs!
There’s nothing to prosecute ACORN for.
Some of their contract employees forged voter registration forms and by law ACORN had to turn those over to the state.
The Black Panther incident is a hit with the right wing. They love showing two scary looking Black Panthers trying to resurrect dormant racial fears they are sure exist in every white person.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

tierra:”An instant poll conducted by CBS News and Knowledge Networks found that 83% of speech watchers approve Obama’s proposals, while 17% disapprove them”
Hahahaha! There’s a reason why they’re called “flash” polls. They’re results are meaningless, gone in a flash. Even Ryan wouldn’t believe 83% of SOTU listeners agree with Obama’s policies. It doesn’t pass the laugh test.
Yes, in my unbiased, politcally savvy opinion it was a horrible speech. Embarrassing, really. He came across as a petulant college professor, not the leader of the free world. At least he’s not feigning a lurch to the center. I do admire his hard stance on supporting a horrific health care bill and even threw a bone to Kerry with his cap-and-trade support. What a train wreck.

Posted by: Woody | January 28, 2010, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

“Yes, in my unbiased, politcally savvy opinion it was a horrible speech”
Who’s the one spinning here? -Exaggerated dower predictions and sarcasm. Your opinion may be savvy, but it is certainly not unbiased.

Posted by: Skip | January 28, 2010, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

“Hahahaha! There’s a reason why they’re called “flash” polls. They’re results are meaningless, gone in a flash. Even Ryan wouldn’t believe 83% of SOTU listeners agree with Obama’s policies. It doesn’t pass the laugh test.”
Well I will agree that flash polls are not a good bellweather for political mood.
We shall see what Americans end up agreeing with.
Personally I thought it was an ok speech nothing special or groundbreaking though I did enjoy its combativeness.
I think we discussed this before Woody but you and I recognize that Americans want to see you fight for your policies and sometimes the merit of the policies do not matter.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

“Listen, the Bush Cheney Republican administration hand in hand with Cheney’s old company Halliburton ‘lost’ $9 BILLION dollars in Iraq.”
THATS ANOTHER LIBERAL LIE!
The money came from revenues from the United Nations’ former oil-for-food program, oil sales and seized assets — all Iraqi money. The audit did not examine the use of U.S. funds appropriated for reconstruction.

Posted by: Terry | January 28, 2010, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

“Who’s the one spinning here? -Exaggerated dower predictions and sarcasm. Your opinion may be savvy, but it is certainly not unbiased.”
In fairness to Woody, I believe that was sarcasm which we know does not always translate to the posted word.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

“The money came from revenues from the United Nations’ former oil-for-food program, oil sales and seized assets — all Iraqi money. The audit did not examine the use of U.S. funds appropriated for reconstruction.”
So Haliburton stole billions of Iraqi’s money for their redevelopment after we blew up their country under false pretenses.
That’s so much better.

Posted by: Ryan C | January 28, 2010, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

“THATS ANOTHER LIBERAL LIE!”
Cheney himself became extremely vocally indignant too as I recall.

Posted by: Skip | January 28, 2010, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

The supreme court deserves to be calle dout on this decision. They have handed what’s left of american democracy to the highest bidder. Unfortunately they have also provided cover for Obama to divert attention frohis wn miserable performance. the fogies who voted in favor ofthis decision are senile and should resign.

Posted by: craig | January 28, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Just read most of the foregoing posts and just had a couple of realizations I didn’t know. (1) The U.S. Supreme Court is composed of untouchable gods and no one can criticize their decisions-except neo-cons when they disagree. Remember Reagan beating the Roe v. Wade drum; and (2) If George Soros is not an American, neither is Austrailan Ruper Murdoch. Actually, John McCain was born in Panama. He’s out too.

Posted by: B.Bear | January 28, 2010, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

The reason Obama is mad over the reversal of McCain-Fingold by the Supreme Court is because Obama was elected in part because of vast amounts of bundled money from forign countries under the cover of darkness of George Soros 527′s.It was a scam but now the playing field will be more lever and he hates it as much as he hates America.So now when union bosses pour tons of cash toward a democrat, the company that employes the union workers can now pour tons of money to the republicans. Sounds fair to me. 2010 and 2012 should be very interesting.

Posted by: LJ from Kansas | January 28, 2010, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

Well…..That was “bad form” Barry! Thank God you have solidified their position to keep you from being King!

Posted by: rockin | January 28, 2010, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

That is $9 BILLION dollars ‘misplaced’
Posted by: tierra | Jan 28, 2010 9:38:00 PM
What about all the money Obama lost to state districts that don’t even exist? There will never be a full accounting of the 787+ billion dollars.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Saturday Night! | January 29, 2010, 12:18 am 12:18 am

I think it’s hardly an insult to the 4 justices who wisely chose to oppose the decision – they’re on his side! What the Supreme Court’s majority chose to do is to allow an already corrupt process of big money buying elections to only get worse, and subvert our right to Fair Contests for Office. Along with the right to Vote, the Right to Fair Elections & the Right to Fair Contests for Office is essential to safeguard all the other natural rights we hold dear. The 5 members that decided effectively to allow unlimited purchasing of air time for political ads deserved to be chastised for their decision, since it subverts the very mechanisms that build honest government, and in doing so may lead to a further erosion of the freedoms of speech & of the press. Without an honest governing body for instance, we wind up with politicos on the court, who make these bad decisions that allow more special interest money to sway elections. It’s a viscous cycle, and it needs to be halted, before it takes us down another “deregulated” economic free fall, or more monopolized media. I applaud the Presidents choice of words, for some on that court deserved that and more. To the honest 4, I can only hope we can add another to their ranks, and end the corporatist takeover of America.

Posted by: Chuck K | January 29, 2010, 12:37 am 12:37 am

What about all the money Obama lost to state districts that don’t even exist? There will never be a full accounting of the 787+ billion dollars.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It’s Saturday Night! | Jan 29, 2010 12:18:35 AM
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The problems were NOT AT ALL with money being ‘misplaced’ (as under Bush and Cheney), but rather the wrong numbers for the districts being recorded. And there were few instances of this.
On the other hand, Rumsfeld really did ‘misplace’ a couple of BILLION dollars out of the pentagon (just before 9/11).
And Bush, Cheney and Halliburton really DID ‘lose’ $9 BILLION in Iraq. Where did it end up? In al Qaeda weapons and bombs?
There is a difference between that kind of gross incompetence, and what you IMAGINE might happen with ARRA funds.

Posted by: tierra | January 29, 2010, 1:01 am 1:01 am

Hahahaha! There’s a reason why they’re called “flash” polls. They’re results are meaningless,
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Not ‘meaningless’ at all. People listened to the State of the Union address and largely agreed with the President and his approach. This is not a surprise. People like his ideas, they don’t like the politics of the Congress, they don’t like ‘fat’ politicians constantly bickering and fighting for perks, they don’t like economic situation left after the last administration, they don’t like the gross overspending of the Bush administration, they don’t like the fact we had to spend more or sink, they don’t like the pettiness of the politics.

Posted by: tierra | January 29, 2010, 1:12 am 1:12 am

of course, most of the country doesn’t know of the animosity Alito holds for Obama, it starts with Obama , voting not to confirm him and continues from there…

Posted by: Magic 8 Ball | January 29, 2010, 1:27 am 1:27 am

O’Keefe, who made the fraud video about ACORN for the fringe right, and 3 buddies were arrested in LA, and are about to be charged with federal crimes….
oh what a tangled web they weave

Posted by: Oh Say, Can You See? | January 29, 2010, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Eventually you just have to ignore the hypocrisy, duplicity, and just plain stupidity of the republicans.
‘President Bush didn’t just routinely use the State of the Union to castigate “activist judges.” For years, Bush’s amen corner in the conservative movement threatened judges to bring them in line.
Back in 2005, John Cornyn was one of the GOP standard bearers in the conservative fight against so-called “judicial activism” in the wake of the Republicans’ disastrous intervention in the Terri Schiavo affair.
On April 4th, Cornyn took to the Senate floor to issue a not-too-thinly veiled threat to judges opposing his reactionary agenda.
Just days after the murders of one judge in Atlanta and the family members of another in Chicago, former Texas Supreme Court Justice Cornyn offered his endorsement of judicial intimidation:
“I don’t know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country…And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in, engage in violence.”

Posted by: Oh Yeah | January 29, 2010, 3:01 am 3:01 am

Posted by: Oh Yeah | Jan 29, 2010 3:01:56 AM
Thank you for the reminder of just how creepy that lot of Republican are – and how good it feels to be out of that era.

Posted by: tierra | January 29, 2010, 3:34 am 3:34 am

Democrats are such power hungry egotistical jerks.

Posted by: Dano | January 29, 2010, 5:14 am 5:14 am

Democrats are such power hungry egotistical jerks.
Posted by: Dano | Jan 29, 2010 5:14:13 AM
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Democrats are normal people from all over the country.

Posted by: tierra | January 29, 2010, 5:28 am 5:28 am

Just another example of the abuse of power by this administration. This administration determines its policy by “What Would Chavez Do?) He chose to intemidate and humiliate those who disagree with him. In addition to being rude is not truthful and for an attorney who taught constitutional law to mistate the Courts ruling is unethical. Home and Change has been replaced with Remorse and Shame!

Posted by: Sallee | January 29, 2010, 6:55 am 6:55 am

Just another example of how our legal system and the courts has always been a tool of the wealthy elite.

Posted by: Flash Override | January 29, 2010, 7:16 am 7:16 am

Since major media outlets regularly refuse to run ads by labor unions, this decision probably won’t have as much of an effect on them, contrary to what the press is reporting.

Posted by: Flash Override | January 29, 2010, 7:21 am 7:21 am

For every election, find out who raised the least amount of money and vote for them. After a few election cycles, money might have less impact. Voters throughout the Country say money has too high an influence on elections but vote for the person who raises the most money (though not always). Just as voters complain about attack ads but allow those ads to influence them.
Money and attack ads work because we let them work. As long as they work, they’re what we will get.

Posted by: Dan K | January 29, 2010, 9:00 am 9:00 am

No one should be above deserved criticism, not even the Supreme Court. As for the Supreme Court being so thin-skinned that they won’t attend the next address, that is saying they have the maturity level of a 3rd grader.
One thing I don’t like about ABC news is the way they give credence to ideas floated by parties not directly involved. If one of the the Justices said they won’t attend, that would be a credible story. This story is sort of like hearsay being allowed at a trial: misleading and not at all revealing reality. This kind of story is not journalism but is tabloid news.

Posted by: Lydia | January 29, 2010, 9:32 am 9:32 am

This was some good reading. If the historian is right, I guess I will not turn my TV or Radio on too here the next SOTU.

Posted by: Fro | January 29, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am

Justice John Paul Stevens in his partial dissent from the majority decision, saying that the decision by the court’s Republican majority “would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans” — and the other three justices, appointed by Democrats, noted their agreement.
Why does Stevens think so? Perhaps because he and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg raised that issue with Theodore Olson, the lead counsel for Citizens United (his disreputable comrades from the Clinton wars). When Olson argued that under prior Supreme Court decisions, corporations “are persons entitled to protection under the First Amendment,” Ginsburg asked whether that “includes today’s mega-corporations, where many of the investors may be foreign individuals or entities.” Olson replied that the court had made no distinction “based on the nature of the entity that might own a share of a corporation.”
Ginsburg pressed further. “Nowadays there are foreign interests, even foreign governments, that own not one share but a goodly number of shares.” To which Olson answered, “I submit that the Court’s decisions in connection with the First Amendment and corporations have in the past made no such distinction.”

Posted by: cowgirl | January 29, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am

Standing up to the courts is not abuse of power. He did not ask them to change things he just said he did not agree with them. I applaud his courage because even republicans feel this is a dangerous decision. Not only will companies pour more money(if possible) but outside influences such as other countries can have an effect on the outcome. This overturns what has been in for many, many years and with good rason. There was no good reason to overturn this except Alito wanted to stick it to this administration.

Posted by: talmag | January 29, 2010, 11:39 am 11:39 am

The lesson, as always, is that rabid, partisan, Socialist, demagoguing community organizers LIE!
—The Court’s ruling in Citizens United concerned the right of labor unions and domestic corporations, including nonprofits, to express their views about candidates in media such as books, films and TV within 60 days of an election. In short, it concerned freedom of speech; in particular, an independent film critical of Hillary Clinton funded by a nonprofit corporation.
While the Court reversed a 1990 decision allowing such a ban, it left standing current restrictions on foreign nationals and “entities.” Also untouched was a 100-year-old ban on domestic corporate contributions to political campaigns to which the president was presumably referring erroneously.—(Wall Street Journal)

Posted by: Obama, You LIE, again! | January 29, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Constitution: 1
Obama: 0

Posted by: The Chicago Way | January 29, 2010, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Alito should have spoken out those words and fought back at the Evil Joker and his commies. How humiliating that dirty play was by the Evil Joker. Those commies want to play dirty, play dirty towards them, too. If those commies with those “smiley faces” aren’t stopped, via the voting process, they will eventually destroy our economy and country. Watching and listening to that ridiculous speech, was sickening. I had to turn the channel before it was over.

Posted by: Michael | January 29, 2010, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

How American President who stuided law in the law school,Havard has several times disrespected and embarrased the decision of The Supreme Court at the state of Union ??? This is Obummer’s historical one of mistake, which will record and remembered for 100 years more.
Mr. Obummer ! Whenever you and Eric Holder made a stupid decesion that has been spending taxpayer a huge dollars to protect right of terrorists, not to defeat them, most American got dead upset like you.

Posted by: Jamie-NY | January 29, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Obama = Bush = Criminal

Posted by: Sebastian | January 29, 2010, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Obama is the man who has never run anything, produced anything, but somehow thinks he can run everything. We are in very big trouble.

Posted by: Sebastian | January 29, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

We are no longer ‘ignorant of the facts’. We judge Obama not on what he says but what he does. His III Reich style propaganda machine is no longer able to deceive us. After this pathological liar insulted us and the supreme court justices he owes us an apology. We don’t demand one knowing well that what spews from his mouth is worthless garbage.

Posted by: Werner Strasser | January 29, 2010, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

The empty suit obama sounded like an angry little child as he read from the prompter. You know that all little children run off at the mouth from time to time. It is tragic that with all of the lies told by obama that night, people waste time on this topic. This messiah of the neo-marxists is a real threat to America and our way of life.
While the obama can fool all of the obots all of the time, the rest of America is starting to wake up. The loss of Teddy bin swimmin’s Senate seat is rightly laid at the feet of the obama and his commie beliefs. MMM,mmm, mmm.

Posted by: Loman | January 29, 2010, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Boy, this BO character is thin-skinned. BO, here is some advice – next time you insult the Supreme Court during a SOTU address, make sure you get your facts straight. Otherwise, you appear like a complete imbecile.

Posted by: Johnny | January 29, 2010, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

our court system works better than any in the world. read the decision and then comment. judges often rule against there personal feelings because the law dictates the other way.

Posted by: tim | January 29, 2010, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

The current situation (before the recent ruling favored the incumbents), hence the nickname of McCain-Feingold was the “Incumbent Protection Act.” Mr. Obama received a lot of questionable money coming in from foreign sources. I suspect they object because this ruling in favor of free speech takes away some of their current advantage.

Posted by: stvmrz | January 30, 2010, 1:19 am 1:19 am

To the Supreme Court which I have the higest respect for.I would not attent his State of Union either.This kid needs to be replaced soon the sooner the better.

Posted by: Joeray | January 30, 2010, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

Forgot O Yes Not with Biden either or Pale low sie either,I watched it and all she did was clap ,and stood up and down,what a fake this woman is sad but true.

Posted by: Joeray | January 30, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Hope this keeps a few of the old guys around a few more years. Don’t retire or die, keep obama from sending new judges to the supreme court

Posted by: B D | January 31, 2010, 8:26 am 8:26 am

By 2/3 vote the US Congress can override a US Supreme Court case. There was a case where Congress passes a law making it a federal felony to participate in a lynching. The Supreme Court held that Congress did not have the power granted by the US Constitution is exercising such a law. The Congress by 2/3 majority vote overturn the US Supreme Court decision in the case and re-enacted the law.
For your information and on the money, influence and power taking over our nation, Government, and constitution, a vote by Obama and a 2/3 majority by both Houses of Congress would veto the US Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. FEC.

Posted by: Jason Pacifico | March 11, 2010, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

the speech is very insulting …

Posted by: buen | March 19, 2010, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

The very first comment in this blog, by buen, is troubling. Congress doesn’t have the authority to overturn constitutional decisions of the Court. If the Court has interpreted a statute, then Congress can respond with new law. The Court’s interpretations of the Constitution, as was the case in Citizens United, can only be changed by future Supreme Court decision or by Constitutional amendment. Check your law before you add your less than two cents of opinion.

Posted by: GetitRight | October 18, 2010, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

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Posted by: jhonny | September 3, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

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