Whither Health Care Reform If Brown Wins?

Republicans should not count their chickens. The pollsters have an innate flaw, in that they failed to poll the largest Democratic voting bloc: The cemeteries.

No one knows, but if it dies, the citizens can applaud the death.

Go Scott Brown! Hopefully, this election will not be handled ACORN-style.
The HC Bill a terrible bill and it should be dead. Why were there so many back-room deals? What happened to transparency and posting on C-SPAN?
Maybe now the idiots in Congress can focus on what’s important to everyone in this country: CUTTING SPENDING AND CREATING JOBS.
This is the most corrupt administration in American History. We need to stop the Obama/Pelosi/Reid trainwreck.

wis134; why do you say that Pelosi should get on her broom. Are you comparing her to something nefarious??

To Whywhy, the answer is yes and if
the label fits she should fly with
it.

This process is not transparent- we don’t even know what Pelosi et.al. are doing now.
Nephron | Jan 19, 2010 11:40:52 AM
Name any bill in the entire history of our nation that has had a more transparent process. Ever. What is the bill?
The process on this bill has been the most transparent major bill creation our nation has ever seen, to the point you can name the ugliest parts specifically including who specifically got them in there. That’s transparency.

Poll: Majority Oppose Health Care Reform
And this taken from this page, upper right….But the ignorance and stupidity of the democrats to force this bill onto people that do NOT want it shows they do NOT represent America.
If a state that is 3-1 democrat repudiates Obama today.. then maybe the left wing liars will start posting on Russian and Chinese websites where they belong

Hopefully,
The HC bill will be dumped into the trash bin of history’s really bad ideas very soon.
If the dems win this special election though – socialized medicine will be the law of the land.
Imagine Jefferson spinning in his grave as we are at the brink of a day in which citizen are FORCED to buy insurance by the gov’t.
For the sake of LIBERTY, let’s hope Brown wins today.

Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 19, 2010 11:12:28 AM
“This IS THE MOST TRANSPARENT BILL PROCESS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR NATION. ”
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This is a joke right?
Were the CSpan cameras there win the “Lousiana Purchase” was negotiated?
Where they they when the deal for Floriadians got to keep Medicare Advantage while everyone in the other 49 states lost it?
Were the cameras there when Nebraska negotiated that it wouldn’t have to pay Medicaide taxes – EVER AGAIN?
Were the carmeras there when Mutual of Omaha got it’s special carve out?
Were the cameras there when the Union members got to skip out on the taxes that everyone else will have to pay?
And is there anything suspicious about the late, late night votes? The Friday night votes? The Saturday night votes? The Christmas eve vote?

Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 19, 2010 11:02:33 AM
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Sums up the Republican base in five words, fire people (cut spending means firing government employees, firing private contractors, firing soldiers, and firing companies supplying the government) AND create jobs! I’m starting to think Republicans really do think Obama rides a unicorn and burps gold.
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Speaking of gold, another golden post from the oracle.
Just a quick overview of this -
There is simply no comparison between the money multiplier impact of a government (ineffecient always, make-work, often) and a private sector job in which a person is performing work in which the market places value.
It’s almost as if you believe that people should simply be “provided” jobs just for the sheer sake of having a job.
Laughable.

Posted by: another crisis, another photo-op | Jan 19, 2010 1:34:31 PM
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Mrs. Snow, is that your phone ringing?

In short, the answer to the question is, probably the majority of bills of much less historic import have been more transparent than this bill.
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Nonsense. I agree with the other poster – this health insurance reform bill has received more coverage, has had more hours documented on C-SPAND and the public has had more information than any other bill in the entire history of the country.
We all know exactly the various concessions being made to pass the bill. None of that has been kept from the public.
Various versions of the entire bills have been posted for examination by anyone who cares to examine them – including non-government experts, hired researchers, citizens . .. anyone.
The process in all its messy glory has been available for the public and the antagonists to scrutinize.
This openness may have even shocked parts of the American public who are used to these deals and details being hidden and buried.

“Nonsense. I agree with the other poster – this health insurance reform bill has received more coverage, has had more hours documented on C-SPAND and the public has had more information than any other bill in the entire history of the country.”
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Your point here does NOT over-ride the fact that the deal was still done behind closed doors.
If you chat for 50,000 hours about something in front of the cameras, then make the “real” deal behind closed doors – what trophy are you looking for in regards to the 50k hours in front of the cameras?
It means nothing.

Ah well, now the Dems in the Senate have the excuse they have been hoping for all along to do precisely nothing and kick the health care can down the road another decade and a half. And to fold up like a cardboard box on command from the Republicans as seems to be their m.o. What amazes me is how few Americans seem to realize that this country’s politics are nothing but a dog and pony show. Ask yourselves: What kind of health care reform idea takes single payer off the table before the discussion starts, promises to try to make up for it with a “robust public option” before whittling that out of the package then promises a Medicare buy-in option and even cuts THAT out of the bill, early in the dealmaking even agreeing literally in a backroom deal with Big Pharma to NOT use the federal government’s leverage to negotiate better (i.e. less than highway robbery) prices for prescription drugs? Answer: One that was never serious about really reforming health care in the first place. Not that it should come as a surprise to anyone who bothered to look into the fellatio of the insurance companies that was Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama’s effort at (pretending to be) reforming the state’s uninsured situation that at every turn catered to the needs of Big Pharma and the H.M.O.s, crafting a bill to their liking rather than the people of Illinois. And not that it should come as a surprise that Obama is such a liberal that he has escalated the war in Afghanistan, throws money at Wall Street, has a secretary of education who turns predominantly black inner city schools into recruiting funnels run by and for the Army, praises Reagan and plays golf with the chairman of United Bank of Scotland.
Allow me to explain how American presidential politics actually works, starting with a question: Does anyone here really, honestly think that every four years the billionaires that own this country give themselves ulcers and acid reflux worrying about whether the masses will finally elect a genuine reformer who will derail their gravy train? Hell no. Of course they simply do what they’ve been doing, buying all the major candidates from both hardly dissimilar parties (the openly corporate stooge Republicans and the closet corporate stooge Democrats) then stepping back to watch all their puppets tear each others’ guts out to see who can be the best puppet of the ruling elite. May the best mannequin win! Because at that point the uber-wealthy class doesn’t care since it knows that whichever one wins it will certainly be someone already in their pocket. Face it America: All you’re allowed to vote for as a candidate for president is a conservative, either one openly operating or one that’s in the closet. It’s not a genuine process when all the choices are controlled by the same bunch of elitists. Wake up and smell the plastic of your fake democracy.