Health Care Summit Fact Check: Will Premiums Go Up?

so it appears once again the big o is full of bull.we really are on the prcipiece of a double dip recession, unfortunately i see it comming, why on earth would we be doing health care now and taxing the tar out of people who create jobs? dumb dumb dumb

Maybe if the premiums for the executives “cadillac” plans can be raised 10%-15% then we could reach a null increase. It’s not like they can’t afford it and they certainly get a lot of perks for that money.

The one thing everyone is forgetting is,the tax payer is paying now for the people that don’t pay.
Its called a users fee,when you have
a hospital stay the fee is passed own to the insurance co.

When are these politicians going to get it through their thick skulls? We can’t afford health care because they tax the crap out of us as it is. I lose 35% instantly off of my check, then I have to pay sales tax on everything I buy. What the crap????

What about our working class people who cannot afford the high cost of ins. premiums and pay their fair share of taxes. Which do you choose when it comes down to house payment, utilities, food and gas to get to work? Most of us will have to give up our health insurance if employers cannot afford insurance increases.

Premiums go up? My husband has individual insurance and the rates have gone up 67% in two years to over $4800 a year. And so does his co-pay and deductible up from $1200 to $2500. And his insurance co has CEO that received over 24 million in salary. That’s about $100,00 a day or $12,000 an hour or $2,000 a minute. That is why we need reform! Wake up America!!!!

So the premiums would be about 10% higher by 2016… Not instantly, BUT BY TWO THOUSAND AND SIXTEEN!!! Not for 6 more years!! Currently the rates are going up 25% to 40% A YEAR!! So, YEAH for Obama’s plan… less than a 2% increase per year to implement a better plan rather than the 25-50% a year we have been seeing for less coverage every year.

Just think how many people could be helped (and I’m not talking about the lazy losers who want to live off the govt. I talking about hard working americans who try and are having a tough time making ends meet) if all that rediculous bank bonus money was used to provide healthcare for people until they can get back on their feet. Isn’t that the Christian thing to do? Afterall we do go around bloating about the good ole USA being based on Christian principles don’t we?

Jackson, charity should come from the heart, not a government mandate.

I personally don’t believe in forced philanthropy.

PARTYNOT WRITES: Jackson, charity should come from the heart, not a government mandate.
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I’m afraid this country has lost its heart. When are we going to sing “We are the World” for our own children?

Posted by: Elvin Echols:
The one thing everyone is forgetting is,the tax payer is paying now for the people that don’t pay.
Its called a users fee,when you have
a hospital stay the fee is passed own to the insurance co.
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The bill doesn’t stop that, we would still be paying for the uninsured, and paying more for our own insurance and those that pay would be paying more for some people that already are paying for their insurance but will get subsides after the bill goes through and more for insurance for those that meet the criteria and are uninsured and get subsidies.
That means more, not less cost.

Phily Matt::
If there are savings to be found in Medicare then fix it.
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The whole idea behind savings from fraud and abuse in Medicare is to have that pay for other things besides Medicare.
The GAO reports do not say there is $50 billion in abuse and fraud in Medicare, they say $17 billion for improper payments, and not all of that is fraud or abuse according to the GAO, some are legitimate charges.

Law enforcement says that health care fraud, for all health care in the country, not just medicare but all health care, is estimated at from $60 to $100 billion.
That includes public health care, and private health care.

Jackson::PARTYNOT WRITES:
I’m afraid this country has lost its heart. When are we going to sing “We are the World” for our own children?
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If this was about being kind and compassionate the bill would not be setting benefits for people based on a medicare advisory board, that can only be repealed and amended by a 3/5 vote. Then ripping off medicare to pay for other people.
The Dems don’t even have the 3/5 majority to pass the bill, but want a 3/5 majority amend or repeal some part of the bill.
That tells you how bad this bill is.

My family and I are one of those above the $250K and I am ok with Healthcare reform. My premiums have gone up. My co-pay went up 115% under employer plan. So thank you for finally breaking the GREED Market call Insurance.
This debate is no different than that of oil. Republicans want to keep oil and want to keep insurance as-is. Who do you think is padding the Republican campaigns and pockets. Can someone from a republican state, has read and understands the bill, tell me they do not want to reform insurance?

To Wayne and the other “anti-socialists”, I guess we should abolish the current “socialistic” “big government takeovers” such as unemployment insurance, medicare, social security and the veterans administrations?

So why are premiums going up on individual and group policies as we speak, and legislation has not even been passed?

So why are Republicans in Congress not forfeiting their own government and tax payer paid health care benefits for life? Why are Republican members of Congress on government managed health care benefits and not paying their own way?

Is the Cadillac Tax still in the bill?
Obama said:
1. It will not add to the deficit – False
2. It will not pay for abortion – False
3. It will not pay for illegals – False
4. If you make less than $250k your taxes will not go up – False
Why do we believe a word he says?

I suspect that a government that refuses to control its own salaries will not be able to keep premiums from going up. and taxes as well.
Did you know that the average civilian federal employee salary is $70K? The average wage/salary on the street is but $40K. Obama is adding federal employees daily and Obamacare will add even more, maybe even new agencies!
A lot of the Obama additions to the federal payroll are well above the $70K level. I know he will be a one term president, but one term may sink the nation!
Our only hope is to clean the House in 2010, and I mean clean it! If we can accomplish that we may be able to clip the wings of the Senate and Obama!

President Obama, once again, twists the facts to support his side. I’m so tired of all the campaign lies and broken promises. Mr. President, we will judge your presidency not only on your words, but also on your actions. So far, not so good.

Who needs a fact check. I know my premiums have gone up every year for the past 7-8 years. And America needs a fact check. Have we become so moronic that we need someone to tell us that we are getting less in our paycheck every years to cover health insurance?

so..it’s like this..you’ll pay more for your All American cheeseburger, but there will be .0025% more premium meat. The lettuce will be taken off and you’ll only get half a tomato, but we’ll add more ketchup, while simultaneously reducing some of the special sauce, removing 50% of the sesame seeds, but adding an extra onion sliver. The guy directly behind (but not beside) you in line has the right to take a bite out of your Uncle Sam burger, equal to, but not greater than, the area of the inside of Mick Jagger’s mouth, but that won’t start until 2017, and those who own Rolling Stone’s albums are exempt, while those who own KISS albums will be phased in over a period not to exceed 4 years…any questions?

I’d like to see the news make this a front page story. But then again, the golden child Obama can never be questioned. He is allowed to lie.

Why won’t ABC put this on the front page?

What I want to know is whether Paul Ryan was correct in his synopsis of the “budget gimmicks” in the Bill.
Mr Ryan says that the CBO was forced to score the bill on the basis of 10 years of revenue to the government but then was told to only consider 6 years of expenses.
Is that correct ? If it is – why does the media not point that out ? If its not – why doesnt the media point that out ?

always keep in mind that it was taxes that founded this country….
think about it?

The problem with these disgusting people who argue against this as ‘forced philanthropy’ is that we are not asking you to do this out of the goodness of your heart: we are TELLING you jerks that if we don’t take care of everyone in our society, we will continue to have REAL problems like crime, homelessness, and domestic terrorism. We don’t care if you think it’s ‘socialist’ or evil, we just want to keep society together for more than the rich.
Anyone making more than 80K a year can easily afford to pay more taxes, unless that is they’re living way beyond their means!! Sounds like your fault if you can’t afford your house and cars and kids on top of the reasonable taxes being asked of you to sustain the public systems we all use, EVEN YOU.

The 2-3% of total healthcare costs expressed by President Obama only includes the amount of lawsuit settlements awarded annually. So take off another 2-3% of trillions of dollars spent annually if we only get rid of the frivilous lawsuits directed at medical professionals. And remember the people being sued had good intentions. Then consider that no amount of money has ever relaced a loss of life or health.

One thing no one has mentioned. You think the increase of 10 t0 13% is bad, what you haven’t considered is that your going to start paying taxes on this in 2011, five years befoe you ever see a thing when it ocme to insurance. Certainly we need health care reform and I support starting with steps like tort reform, then taking the Anti-trust exemmption away. Insurance cost increase at least 5 to 8 percent just from un-necessary X-ray, C-scasn etc just to pretect the doctors from stupid lawsuits. What we need to do is make every politician accountable for their actions. If they make promises in their campaign that they can’t keep, they should keep their mouths shut but be assured they will not be in the next term.

obama is working on health care and jobs moron. Just because W. could only handle one thing every 4 years doesn’t mean everyone else is like that. The main two republican arguments are total garbage. 1. premiums will go up….PREMIUMS ARE ALREADY GOING UP…CONSTANTLY. 2. This is a gov’t seizure of the economy. No, a gov’t seizure of the economy was W. and cheney handing out no-bid contracts to all their friends…then ironing out the patriot act to limit americans freedom. Take a look in the mirror before you just start blindly hating the next guy.