Alexander: Health Care Reform a ‘Political Kamikaze Mission’ for Democrats

Oh Lamar you sound like Marie Antionette . If the peasants don’t have any bread let them eat cake. We all know what happened to her.

“Every Democratic candidate in the country is going to be defined by this unpopular health care bill at a time when the real issues are jobs, terror and debt.”
Well, we know the Republicans certainly know a lot about debt and terror, and loss of jobs. But not in a good way…..

Wrong! The democrats talks like Marie Antoinette. Nancy Pelosi wants democrats to commit the Johnstwon kool-aid drinks. And you know how that ends.

I just heard the Senator admit governing the USA is just too complicated for their simple, fascist little minds, didn’t I?

WE do not need the Feds telling us what should be in our health care polices. There is no need to debate abortion, or other procedures.
Keep government out of deciding where I have to spend my money.

Yeah Higgins, Scott…it’s really stupid for our country to try and give us the same benefits every other citizen of every other civilized country in the world gets.
Americans Deserve, i guess, to keep getting the worst deal in the civilized, industralized world as far as health care, safety nets etc. All to support the much faded and faster fading dream of individual wealth at your country’s expense.

People in this country are so easily fooled. Do you know there is someone named Frank Luntz who’s job is to figure out words to use to sway the public thinking. He polls over and over again to see what will rile people up. It’s only based on political uses and have no policy merit at all. The republicans pay Luntz big bucks to fool you and your buying it.

Jobs went overseas because Bubba signed into NAFTA and WTO, Islamic terrorist grew under Bubba’s nose because he was too busy playing with Monica and Jennifer in the oval office. Now you blame Bush for the economy being bad? The GDP grew 70% from 2002 to 2006 until Pelosi and rest of democrat thugs ruined the economy in their 1st year. Now we our ACORN president who’s destroying the free marketing… do the math people, the healthcare reform is DOA (dead on arrival). The democrats don’t even know what they are passing it was proven when that republican senator dropped the 2000+ of this so-called health reform on Obama’s face, he admitted he had no time to read it…geeze louis even our teleprompting president couldn’t read the bill he is trying to pass….

Who are you people?haha HE IS RIGHT. I hear Libs give their opinions w/o logical reasons. WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS BILL. PEOPLE EXPERIENCE PAIN AND DIE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE WINNERS AND LOSERS.

What you leaving out of your comment cheroke is the fact that George Bush Sr administraion is responsible in drafting the legislation for NAFTA. Clinton is another traitor to the country signing that crap.

Being the crafty politician that he is, why would he telegraph his intentions to “brand” democrats with this bill. He should shut up, let them do it, then attack and win in November. No, he’s scared this bill will get so many votes that HE will be gone in November for having opposed it, and wants to stop it now.

It seems to me that only republican don’t want this bill to pass. Thats because they are the one’s who benifit from the Insurance companies,doctors, and pharmisudical lobbyist. They don’t give a hoot about the spending or how it will be paid for, they only worry about losing those dollars that come to them for apposing healthcare for those that can’t afford it. None of them are willing to give up the perks of their healthcare provided to them thats being paid for by those same American people they say they are looking out for. If htey are serious about the cost, why haven’t that small proposal been apart of their argument. Having “FREE” healthcare is good for them, but its a “BAD” idea to provide it for those who can not afford it, Why? Is this the start of the CLASS system crumbling. “Live and let live,” only applies when I can live better, is that the way you see it?

If anyone should not be calling someone else dumb, it is “all caps” SARAH. When “all caps” talks about the cost of health insurance going up 30%, we can bet she is misunderstanding Anthem in California. If California controls health insurance so that the healthy are driven away and only the sick remain, then, of course the cost of health care will go up. Unfortunately, lefties like “all caps” Sarah have no idea how economics works. Hence they think everything should be free and there should be no consequences of government actions. Talk about dumb.

I have to wonder about what is not being said on this Health Care deboggle….Is the common sense person expected to pay the price for people who make bad choices in their life. Carefully the dems have avoided the AID’s epidemic that is rampant in the free living segment of our society. With the “PUSH” to cover pre existing conditions, I want to know how much I will have to pay for segment of society who are so self indulgent they throw caution to the wind and end up with terminal ills. How much will it cost the tax payer for the drug addict? How much will it cost for the sex addicts? How much will these high risk patients cost the person who pays attention to health, weight, safe sex? How much will these “free spirits” cost the individual who takes the time to protect themselves from social ills?

I have to wonder about what is not being said on this Health Care deboggle….Is the common sense person expected to pay the price for people who make bad choices in their life. Carefully the dems have avoided the AID’s epidemic that is rampant in the free living segment of our society. With the “PUSH” to cover pre existing conditions, I want to know how much I will have to pay for segment of society who are so self indulgent they throw caution to the wind and end up with terminal ills. How much will it cost the tax payer for the drug addict? How much will it cost for the sex addicts? How much will these high risk patients cost the person who pays attention to health, weight, safe sex? How much will these “free spirits” cost the individual who takes the time to protect themselves from social ills?

The dems won’t do reconciliation….it’s political suicide…

Ha
You have the communist talking points down to a fine art dont ya?
Pelosi has just said what we already knew. She knows that if they pass this healthcare bill against the peoples wishes, they will lose in November so they know that this is suicide of their careers but they plan on doing it anyway to destroy whats left of our constitution
Go move to a communist country if you want it so bad!

I would like to commend Vargas for being the first journalist to actually question her guest–Lamar Alexander–and then to even respond to his answers by asking follow up questions. What a novel idea! Perhaps others at ABC News should follow her suit? I know it’s a moot point and that another white guy will end up getting the This Week chair but I’d like to put a vote in for Vargas becoming host. I might even start watching the show again. She doesn’t seem to be as afraid of the right wing or left wing and isn’t consumed with the notion of “access.” What good is “access” if all you’re getting access to is a bunch of bunk?
As far as Alexander’s comments on health care reform. When you’re a millionaire who also makes $170,000 plus a year AND gets the best health care insurance MY tax dollars will pay for, it’s really easy to make blanket and false statements about health care reform. I’ve been polled and the questions are such that I said I was unhappy with the current bill in the Senate…not because I don’t want health care reform but because I don’t think the Senate bill goes far enough. What is so funny is that the Republicans have wanted to dismantle Medicare for years. They still want to get rid of it. And yet, they portray themselves as the protectors of Medicare. Please! Read their so-called health care bill folks. They want to replace your Medicare with vouchers. Essentially, they want to RATION healthcare. Eegads!!!! Do I smell Death Panels? These men are small minded corporate shills and they should be ashamed of themselves. I believe that what goes around comes around and I truly look forward to the day when Mr. Alexander and his Republican comrades find themselves either going bankrupt because of some illness their insurance won’t cover or simply unable to get insurance. That would be justice indeed.

Skip the insults. Look at facts. A majority of Americans have access to the world’s best health care – and the costs reflect that.
Do Americans go to other countries for expensive life-saving medical care? Why do many more people – from the Middle East, Europe and Canada – come to the US for it?
Yes, reforms are obviously needed. But, when there is an economic crisis, all spending needs to be carefully considered.
An incremental approach makes sense for economic and political reasons. It would be much easier to get broad political support for it in Washington and around the country.
This is the way Washington normally works. You pass something, then add to it, revise it, tweak it, whatever, as the need becomes clear.
It’s ok to condemn the insurance companies. But, Democrats and Republicans have just eliminated these companies’ anti-trust protection. That’s a good warning shot across the bow.
Or, look at this way. High quality health care in W. Europe is not free. It’s paid for with much higher income taxes, starting with lower incomes, higher gas taxes, VAT’s and other taxes.
We don’t have these kinds or levels of taxation. This is a primary reason why we don’t have universal health insurance coverage.
The fundamental question is how much more are Americans prepared to spend for that kind of coverage for everyone.

Go Democrats, pass it. The people will vote you out and your bill will be repealed. We will reform the reform. This will be a good thing. Americans prefer a country that has a government, rather than the other way around.

These politicians are so out of touch with real Americans. They get their healthcare for free while we pay thousands per year for terrible policies. Take away their free healthcare and see how fast they change their tune.

PS… for that poster who has x number of family members who will not vote Dem because of this bill, there are 30 million people without health insurance and their respective families who will vote Dem because of this bill. So I dont think Dems are too worried about your vote. I dont think they were worried about your vote in the last presidential election either.

“Every Democratic candidate in the country is going to be defined by this unpopular health care bill at a time when the real issues are jobs, terror and debt.” ——————-The bill that pasted the Senate is not the health care bill the public will get. That bill is going to be voted on as is by the House of Representatives, then modified by reconciliation, that’s what the final bill is going to be. Lying to people about the process, and what will be in the bill is killing Americans to advance the profits of “Big Insurance”. And for that the Republicans will never be forgiven. – ITWARZ

“Every Democratic candidate in the country is going to be defined by this unpopular health care bill at a time when the real issues are jobs, terror and debt.” ————— Wrong again! What Americans are going to remember is who sided with Big Insurance over them. Who stood by and watched as Americans suffered and died without health care, whining “let’s start over”. They are going to remember who on Friday blocked an extension of unemployment benefits to families thrown out of work by Republican mismanagement of the government under Bush. Then they are going to remember how the right and the “Conserva-Dems” sabotaged the original health care bill by loading it up with bribes and personal kickbacks for their vote. That’s what the American People are going to remember. – ITWARZ

Republican Double Speak – “Passing this massive health care bill by Reconciliation is subverting the Constitution”. – The Truth – Reconciliation is only going to be used to modify the Senate version of the bill that has already passed the Senate by 60 votes. The Democrats are going to have an up or down 51% majority vote to get rid of the pork the “Conserva-Dems” insisted on in exchange for their original support of the bill. They are also going to make some fixes that will better bring the bill in line with what the President’s outline is. – ITWARZ

It is amazing how the Democrats believe that those that work for a living owe those that refuse to work a living. They believe that people shouldn’t be responsible for their life choices and that the government should stand by them and dictate their every move, that somehow a bureaucrat in Washington should make life and death decisions on one’s healthcare, based on the cost to the government, not the health or wishes of the individual.
We once again see the Democrats view that instead of bringing people up and helping them succeed, we should punish those that have and bring everyone down to mediocrity. Socialism in all it flavors has failed miserably everywhere it has been imposed, and yet the Democrats and their self-indulged leadership attempts to lead every American over the cliff to a failed healthcare system, void of innovation, plagued by bureaucracy and destine to failure.
Hard work, sacrifice, individualism, responsibility all traits foreign to Democrats and their supporters, where collective failure, mediocrity, shared pain, and achievement measured in collective failure in the cold bureaucratic embrace of socialism and the lose of individual freedom and achievement.

The Republicans exist on self-delusion and lies. They will find out in November what America really thinks about them and their failed policies. Do they really think that the right wing crazies are enough to get them elected?
The People are too smart for that. They know Goper policies and ideology has failed and they don’t want any more of it.

Count 2 “no democrat votes” in my household, 2 for my parents, 1 for my grandmother, and 2 for my brothers household.

Its amazing how so many people who appose the health care reform, have all that facts twisted. If you all payed any attention, to the 6 hour debate, you would know that through the insurance exchange the Dems are trying to pass, you will have the the choice to purchase much more inexpensive health care insurance. Ah, and lets not forget who’s idea it was to put health care insurance exchange to the table, yes thats right it was a Republican idea. So the Dems go and put the exchange into place and the Reps. are still crying foul. Party of Just say “NO”

OK Sarah, so lets say we all went for this legislation. Hmmmm, immediately MY Insurance Premiums go up. Immediately, if I lose my job, I have to PAY for insurance benefits even when I don’t have the money (saved up due to the economy and previous lost jobs) to pay for it. The safety net is not for the middle class. The safety net is for the Looter Class who’s only “work” experience is how to WORK the tax payer over for free money, food, etc. Of course as soon as this thing passes, instead of working on JOB creation in the Private sector – this Dem Govt will work to pass an IMMIGRATION bill that will allow people who are here illegally to become IMMEDIATE AMERICAN CITIZENS so they can IMMEDIATELY get on the subsidized insurance, so my premiums can go up again….and again…and what do I get for all this. I’m sick – and I may have to wait 2 or 3 months to see a Dr. WAY TO GO! Lets work on the COST of healthcare, instead of the INSURANCE cost. Lets put regs on the INSURANCE company and mandate things there instead of costing more and more on the middle class who are struggling. In fact, by week after next, if I don’t find a 2nd job…I’ll be looking at Bankruptcy and I make over 50K a year. Husband lost 4 jobs in 5 years. I still have a job and insurance…Where is my help???? Oh – I’m not AA and have 6 kids without a husband…so I get nothing, but to PAY for the looter class to get more and more. So – until there is a better plan on the table that doesn’t put me in the looter class, I’ll pass on this bill. I’ll wait for the next one that comes along…

A lot of comments about 30 million people without health care, but little about 270 million with health care. I have it, I pay for it and I do not want to pay for someone who does not want it. A lot of those who do not have it are young and do not feel they have to have it, I felt that way and did not have it until I turned 40 and then reality set in. I would bet that many of those posting comments here do not realize that their costs will increase to support other, their taxes will increase to support others and the costs of health care will not go down with this proposed legislation. Obama care will make a bad situation worse.

I see a post from vrytix saying we have the best HC in the world. How do you figure? We have SOME of the best technology – yes. We do not have the best HC in the world. This country is so far down the list on mortality and the care of patients. The costs do not reflect the quality of care we Americans are provided. The costs reflect the greed and corruption of the repub politicians and INS companies.

ALEXANDER: “The reconciliation procedure is a — where you use legislative (ph) procedure is a (ph) — where you use — legislative procedure 19 times it’s been used. It’s for the purpose of taxing and spending and — and reducing deficits.”
Even his own mouth could barely speak such lies! The reconciliation process is responsible for trillions in additional deficits – including for bills which don’t expire unless well into the 2010′s or later.

Sarah, assuming you are an American, you have proven your point that some Americans are stupid and but sheep waiting for the Democrats to shear them. However, kudos for being able to memorize the Dem’s talking points despite your debilitated comprehension.

The comments to this article are amazing. One liberal equates the US government with America (is dissent against the government same as dissent against America?). Another liberal proclaims that if US were to increase welfare and become more like Western Europe, it would be competetive. A third liberal loudly proclaims that insurance companies don’t care about you – as if it means that politicians like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama care about American people. Yes another liberal called it fascism when the politician stands against the increase of the government power – as if Mussolini was a libertarian.
And on and on it goes.
I have only one question – are all liberals that dumb?
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Down with Capitalism, communism, and monarchism. “The socialism I believe in isn’t really politics. It is a way of living. It is humanity. I believe the only way to live and to be truly successful is by collective effort, with everyone working for each other, everyone helping each other, and everyone having a share of the rewards at the end of the day. That might be asking a lot, but it’s the way I see football and the way I see life.”
Shankly’s philosophy

I totally agree this will be the demise of the democratic party in November. To toatlly think they have lost it and don’t know where their reasoning is. I for one intend not to support any of my representatives that vote for it. I have seen enough waste. If both parties can’t compromise and come up with something that really helps healthcare and is not a show bill then I will think about it. Right now this new bill will only help a few and cost the rest of us who are working dearly. Including our employers.

Alexander’s wrong. A majority in Congress, and that’s the way our representative democracy works, will pass Obama’s health care reform legislation very soon. It will benefit millions of Americans, reduce costs for all.

As the dems try to pass on these costs to our children, they will seal their epitapt.

I read this and thought… “The French Revolution comes to mind…” I think this interview should be on the front page of every paper – so everyone will know what enemies of the people these Republicans are. For every stupid “Tea Party” (don’t get me started on this misnomer..) member, there are probably 10,000 people who NEED help. All these so-called Christian (“Hey, I give to charity.. blah blah”) people who are denying help to their fellow man. Karma’s a *itch, you know….

Freedom-loving America will never accept this bill of slavery even if it passes. There is not near enough room in the prisons to contain all the people who would be arrested for failing to pay for their healthcare insurance, so it would be non-enforcable.
It is unconstitutional for government to force citizens to pay for an unwanted service or product, so it would most likely be overturned by the Supreme court anyway.
Why not write something that America wants, that is constitutional, and that has potential to actually work?

“only 3 more months I get to move to a country that takes care of it’s citizenry on the health care front rated above America for cost, access to care and longevity of life” Good luck, loon. Enjoy paying 50% of your wages for FREE healthcare. Make sure you book your doc appointments 6 months in advance and pray you don’t need medical attention fast.

“The repub plan of no action will result in the death of the repub party.” Never ceases to amaze me how stupid the left is. Loon, the GOP won the governor’s race in NJ and VA, by landslides. And “Teddy’s seat” went to the GOP in one of the most backward liberal states in the union. Which party is in a death spiral??? You people do make me chuckle though. Kind of like Pelosi with the old “we haven’t counted the votes yet”, which is code for we aren’t even close.

Republicans really care about people in America so much that they could care less if they have access to decent health care or not. Republicans are the ones who are clueless and spineless. They stand united with the republican leaders against helping anyone at all. Republicans are so good at saying people don’t want health care reform when the truth is we need it desperately.

By threatening to use filibuster so very often, the GOPers have turned the noble idea of protection of minority rights into the dangerous idea of minority tyranny. While I am against doing away with filibuster altogether, I do believe we need to legislate to limit its use.

Simpleton here. ‘Obama and the Democrats will ~ make sure ~ health premiums are kept from going through the roof.’ How will Obama and the current congress assure that since they won’t be around after their maximum terms expire or retire and the full affect will not be experience until after 2014? This is no longer a health care bill. It is a crony and politician line their own pockets deal. They’ll have their prize long before the system crashes from the debt burden. Back room deals are for who?

“Democrats will forge ahead to make sure that health insurance” OK, I am apparently simple. Educate me. How exactly will the Dems “forge ahead”? Recon is a dead end, the House MUST act first. The House doesn’t have the votes for the Senate bill. This is because of the abortion, union taxes and the kickbacks to certain states. None of those can be “fixed” under recon. So instead of preaching the typical loony talking points, tell me exactly what you think the Dems can do?? We all already know who the simpleton is….

I am now 58 years old, and Senator Larmar Alexander has been in the senate since 1979.. ISN’T IT TIME THIS “DO NOTHING” FOR HIS COUNTRY MAN RETIRE? HE IS ONE OF THE REASON WHY AMERICA HASN’T MOVED FORWARD FOR DECADES AND DECADES. VOTE HIM OUT TENNESSEEANS!

A health care bill should A) have a public option thereby providing direct competition to corporate industry and B) be available to every single American citizen. Health care is not a matter of how much money you do or do not have. All civilized countries take care of their people, and health care should be no different. Insurance companies and drug companies are only interested in their bottom line, not the welfare of the people. We need the public option. Anything else is insufficient.

Lamar is pilot in the cockpit of the kamikaze plane. Instead of using its clout to shape a health care bill which is more palatable to them, which they have been invited to do, the GOP is choosing to fly their kamikaze plane right into the U.S. Congress and our system of democracy. The art of democracy is using your clout to compromise and put more of your priorities on legislation. Voting NO at all costs, refusing to participate for political gain and rejecting compromise at all costs is a kamikaze attack on democracy. This bill will pass and do much good and not bring the horrors bemoaned by the GOP. In the end, the voters are smart enough to see which Party is merely intent on using power to amass more power and not on doing the peoples’ business. The arc of history is taking the present day solid bloc GOP molded by Bush, Cheney and DeLay right into the dustbin.

Good of Mr. Alexander to be so concerned for the Democrats. Here’s one for Mr. him, perhaps he remembers, he was there:
“The point is this: if you’ve got 51 votes, you win.” – Sen. Judd Gregg, 2005, defending the Republicans’ use of the budget reconciliation process.

how we respond to foreign companies who have killed us.
Mitsubishi make everything from autos to forklifts for America. They also made the engines for the planes that killed us at Pearl Harbor. Did’nt even feel they had to change the name.
It’s time to ask these companies to leave America.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
“Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States “.
Members of Congress should pay for their healthcare and that of their families, same as most of us. They should also pay Social Security, which they currently have exempted themselves from. They should not get full pay at retirement for serving (I use the term ‘serving’ with due caution) only one term.
There should not be an elitist group of elected government employees. I believe they have corrupted enough of our values. Time to level the playing field.

I’m baffled by my fellow Americans’ failure to appreciate the concept of individual rights: you live in a country where you’re not supposed to look to your government overlords to “do what’s best for you,” they’re supposed to LISTEN to you and do what you pay them to do, which for most people is fund a standing military and few reasonable initiatives, and then get out of my way. You’re not supposed to expect to get all of your basic needs from the government – which has to forcibly take it from others to give it to you – but to work hard and earn what you need and want.
When did Americans become so foolish as to cast aspersions on the character of companies who lawfully provide what you need at a market price, and yet want to hand over all power to politicians who have no incentive to give you what you think you’re paying for? Ever consider that health care insurance prices are high because our sue-happy culture makes the cost of medical care prohibitive? That you can’t take your business to another provider because the government forbids the sale of insurance across state lines? Think the market forces might drive those costs down if the insurance companies had to compete for your business? Who’s preventing that? Washington is.
And don’t give me this public-option-is-competition crap. The public option (dead or no, and I’m not convinced they won’t add it in somehow) is a monopoly in the making, because government doesn’t have to make a profit to stay in business (obviously: look at that national debt), and in a few years, they’ll undersell and regulate every private insurer out of business, and then – TA DA! – Single payer.
Ever looked at cancer survival rates in countries with single-payer systems? Hospital conditions? And where do they get their drugs? American pharmaceuticals provide many drugs that universal systems depend upon, because there’s private money for research. Good luck if you have to get all your research money from the government. If you have a disease that they don’t think is worth funding to find a cure, you are out of luck, I guess.
Anything a government can give you, they can take away. If you give politicians control of your health care because you think they’ll take care of you, keep in mind you’ve just dragged the rest of us in with you: our blood is on your hands.

Right, the Dems should do this to the citizenry for their own good.
Representative Government? HAH, the leaders will tell you what is good for you, and you will accept their dictates. That is how the Government should work, right Dems?
Maybe we should look into disarming the populace before we shove things they don’t want down their throats “for their own good”?
Or perhaps representatives should um,…. represent what their voters want; and not what they want to force on their voters? NAAH, that’s madness there. People love the boot of government on their necks, don’t they?

All these people need put down their patisan egos and start being more responsible. The democratic bill is just a one-sided attack on the insurance cos. without looking at the rest of the medical community who have the “It’s okay! It’s covered by insurance” mentality. There are the Republicans, whose great idea is to stop medical lawsuits. I’ve seen the doctors scare the hell out of my fearful 75 year old mother having her sign an agreement that no matter what happens, they are not responsible, to get a very necessary surgery. You have fat acceptance groups, and their followers saying the medical community should know what to do with them. They are living longer than at any time in history, because of all the drugs and advanced procedures the medical community can do. The common ground in this is stopping insurance cos. from denying coverage. They need to take that common ground, do the responsible thing, and build. That common ground can be a strong foundation, as long as they build from it instead of trying to make it too one-sided.

Yes, you are right. You go to ER and you will get a bill. If you don’t pay they sue. Correct, no problems here. But talking about indigents who have no means to pay because they have been unemployed, how do you get blood from a turnip? Still, we taxpayers end up footing the bill. Its not a dem lie, it is a fact. Somebody goes to the ER, gets a bill they don’t pay, the debt becomes a write off and goes to collection. Collections tries to collect maybe by garnishing wages (if there is income to garnish) but during this time the HC infrastructure gets reimbursed by our tax dollars to stay afloat. Just because the indigent is being sued doesn’t mean that the collection will be successful. Plus, how do you sue a homeless vet with no job? Hmmm, these neocons have an answer for everything – NOT!

Everybody read Mike C’s post and get the real facts.

KariB57, how do you balance slightly higher taxes,only if you are in the upper incomes bracket, with all the bad stuff that will happen if we don’t pass this bill?
Without this health care bill passing, will your increased premiums every year bother you?
Without the bill passing, does the fact that if you (or anyone you love,)lose your job, you lose your insurance and if you have a pre-existing condition you will be priced out of the market, bother you?
Does the fact that 45,000 Americans die every year because they lacked insurance bother you at all?
You should really read Sarah’s comment and think about it.
Unless you are working for an insurance company in an upper level job or you own a lot of health insurance company stock, you will benefit greatly from this health care package as will our greater society.
Sarah, Very Well Said!

The main issues with the bill are:
1. Loss of autonomy. When government gets more into health care they will take away our choices. It will become more and more politicized. I do not want an idiot bureacrat in D.C. to decide what medical procedures I get.
2. Cost. The CBO states that premiums will go up. Has any government run program ever stayed within budget, run efficiently, been free of corruption or nepotism and special favors?

Take off you Caps Lock and quit calling names. Do you think just one group are liars? If this is passed your premiums will continue to go up, it does not bend the curve in the out years and the cost is unsustainable past 2015 when all the upfornt money is spent, it is not the answer. All the printing at treasury is bankrupting the nation and this president has selective hearing; 57% do not want this bill and he has spent over a year swimming against the tide. We need health reform but not the total take over and dismantling of the best health care in the world. The voters do not want European health care, they come here when the need special healthcare not to Great Britain, Germany, France or Canada. This president was suppose to bring change and was heralded as the savior but is tuning in to the destroyer of Demo world. The focus for the past year should have been jobs, jobs, jobs. Do you hear us now?????

Well, we can see that Bob and Sarah have obama disease!
Let’s attack the first glaring issue of Constitutionality. Show us ALL where in the Constitution there is provision that allows government to dictate/mandate that the American people HAVE to purchase insurance (just a for-instance; many more unconstitutional issues are still out there). I’ll give you a clue — you won’t find it.
Second, show us ALL where government has SUCCESSFULLY (and I mean continuously successful and accountable) operated ANY program. I’ll give you a clue — you can’t name any. (and for all you bobbleheads, Medicare/Medicaid, SS, etc. are going BROKE)
Third, if the government should happen to get its way and take more control, with nearly all U.S. manufacturing jobs shipped to Mexico, China, India (service jobs pay little to nothing; illegals get first swipe) how long do you REALLY think government could financially sustain every handout? (and don’t forget, obama is now deeply using Fiat money so you might just as well get out the monopoly money and play with it) Government can’t and won’t sustain and would quickly cut off or ration goods and services to all the little serfs (meaning US).
If you don’t believe what I’m telling you, get yourself a history book and start reading because this stuff has been played out before and the end result is catastrophe! obama may be doing this to set himself up as dictator; why else would someone rush so quickly to destroy the greatest country–bar none! (and for those who disagree that the U.S. is great, then go live in one of those third world nations that we will soon become and come back and report how wonderful the room service is)!
Any questions?

Personally, I agree with Warren Buffet in this matter. This Healthcare Bill doesn’t do enough to address the rising costs in Healthcare.
We need to include measures that will generate more competition and encourage lower health care expenditures.

Democrats are dumb. Clinton got elected 8 years for the economy and delivered. Economy goes to crap and people vote Democrat and they want to do Healthcare? They already commited suicide. Yes Healthcare is a part of the economy, but it is going to cost even more to change it that way. Healthcare is a long-term goal in good-times not a quick-fix in bad-times. Everyone with a brain know this was dumb. It must be Bush’s fault!

One thing is for sure. We will know who is right on November 8th.
Given Senator Alexander’s credentials; I’ll bet he is correct on this issue.

It’s interesting to hear people paint Democrats as the standard bearers against the horrible, greedy insurance companies. The inconvenient truth, however, is that the Democrat party has negotiated a sweetheart deal with Big Insurance, that in trade for forcing millions of Americans to buy insurance they neither want nor can afford – Democrats will enshrine Big Insurance as Government Franchised Monopolies. Come on all you knee-jerks on the left – quit being so naive. The Democrats (and Republicans) by and large don’t give a rat’s ass about you or me.

This is soooooo funny, really, hilarious. Repubs couldn’t have asked for more from the Dems if they PAID for it: a Messianic President who believes he walks on water (perfect definition of a true Liberal); a majority Congress that can’t get their act together to pass their signature socialist bill when they had the 60 votes in the Senate; a toe-sucking,kowtowing, groveling media yelling praises to anything remotely resembling a Marxist idea: and, last but not least, the pointy-headed retards who continue to make excuses for this affirmative action flunkie are running out of excuses and may have to get a job when their government runs out of Obama Stash Money. Thanks Obama, you are the GREATEST! We Conservatives love you! And thank all those Student Union Lounge Lizards you call Czars, we couldn’t have done better pissing off the American Middle Class if we tried!!! Oh yeah, one more thing, you can keep your hope and change and we’ll just keep our guns and Bible and wait to see if you really think you can steal our country.

Yea, let the Gov. run health care.
They did such a great job with:
Social Security, Vetrans Hospitals, Medicaid, Medicare, the USPS, OUR ECONOMY etc., etc.
Believe in this bill and YOU are the fool. Nothing is FREE people…

Am I wrong or is there not a stipulation in the Democrat bill that no provision of the bill can ever be changed? I believe that I heard this on a news channel early in the debate.