Howard Dean on Global Warming: Republicans ‘Don’t Believe in Science’

But MSNBC arguing that the snowstorm is proof of global warming is something, I’m certain, Dean is super cool with.

If the 2012 presidential election had Dean for Democrats and Palin for Republicans, who would win?
Answer: none of the above!

We have already outsourced our manufacturing, most jobs are government or government managed (health care, education), record unemployment… And now the Democrats want to tax what’s left of the middle class, while their elite bretheren (Obama’s staff) doesn’t even PAY taxes!
In the face of all this you want to “audit” my property and force me to weatherize it so Obama’s cronie companies like Serious Materials can get profits that they funnell back to his reelection committe?
Let’s see we have declining temperatures, record snowfall, and that is evidence of Global, let me see if I am terming this correctly… “WARMING”!?!
Mr. Dean, to put it bluntly: “Have you no decency, sir?” Here’s a clue, stop jet setting around the world and emitting “deadly” carbon, live by the proper example before you throw stones on other peoples’ houses, and oh yeah… CREATE REAL JOBS that aren’t based on gimmicky government, shell game, tax shelter type funding.
If you want to recycle and pay money to cronie capitalist that have political connections to the White House, knock yourself out.
But rasing taxes and fees after you have bankrupted the people to bailout Wall St. and international financiers and bankers is downright criminal.

We believe the left corupts science in the name of politics… “climate justice”…

There is a difference in weather and climate change. One is temporary, and the other is defined as a trend.
NASA’s CERES mission measures radiation (incoming, leaving the Earth, etc.), which is an energy that can cause global warming. If you’re so worried about a conspiracy, access the data (it’s available to the public after all) and confirm the data against the same data available from independent agencies. While there is variability in temperature (even as the trend increases upwards), CERES has shown that energy from the radiation is increasing, not decreasing.
As far as conspiracies in general… the scientific community is huge. Those scientists who don’t believe in global warming help peer review the articles about the fact that global warming exists. You don’t think that they look for a flaw in the methodology? The same goes in reverse. Scientists that do believe in global warming look for errors in journal articles attempting to disprove the existence of global warming.

Hence the reason that I told you to go compare NASA’s data to independent agencies (as in, not politicians). And, if you need a thermometer, and 100 years to prove it to yourself, that’s fine. It takes a different approach for everyone, I suppose.
And I believe in global warming. I’ve neither insulted your choices, nor do I believe I’m a fool. I don’t take a few scientists’ poor choice of words as the end all be all, either. Whatever your occupational choice is… are you defined by everyone who has the same occupation?
Don’t generalize.

Our local weatherman does not believe in climate change either, his favorite tagline is “follow the money”… well, who profits from the status quo?
Al Gore and several democrats have been bashed for “investing” in green tech, when that is the American way. If you believe in something, put your money where your mouth is.
But who benefits from the status quo?

What is Dean – or anyone els e – supposed to say when you have Republicans screaming that mid-winter snowstorms are proof that warming is hoaxed? What ever will they say when it’s July and 100 degrees somewhere…

There are record high temps in Rio of something like 110 degrees…

To be fair, I will disclose that I am a Creationist as well as a treehugger. But before you label me as a Bible thumping fool, consider how often scientists discover that they had it all wrong on long held beliefs.
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Nothing wrong with religion, but how often have Christian “scholars” been completely wrong causing horrible consequences?
Good Christians persecuted people because they had the nerve to say the world was round. The church killed people for suggesting the earth wasn’t the center of the universe. They burned people because they were “witches” or “deamons”. Do you still think they were right in doing so? Well the church isn’t necessarily any smarter about earth science.
Contrary to conspiracy theory accusations, the vast majority of scientists DO believe man is impacting the climate. There is emperical evidence world wide to back this up. And not any legitimate scientist denys the first law of thermodynamics.
The “conspiracy” has been, as most things coming from the right these days, manipulated and distorted. There was no eveidence of a conspiracy, just possibilities of poor scientific methods by a marginal number of scientists. But certain “news agencies” are promting the “cover up” and misleading their viewers by cherry picking the information that supports their narrative.
The Arctic glaciers were never the main concern. But the changes in the Artic glaciers are still in line with Climate Change Theory. It are those in Greenland that are the most telling. I grew up 60 miles from Glacier National Park. There’s ONE glacer left and it will be gone in the next two decades. I’ve seen the Patagonia glaciers on two occassions. New lakes exist where there once was ice.
The partisan ideology these days is rediculous. The “we refuse to believe anything our party doesn’t tell us to believe” mentality is stupid. Peoplae will re-write history, ignore facts, and believe outrageous claims just because it supports their own pre-conceived notions.
The problem here is not one of economics or social agendas. It’s a matter of leaving a planet that is still inhabitable for future generations. To do nothing is because we might have to pay for it is selfish and socially irresponsible.

Science has never backed the Gorebull Warming scam—hence all the lies and fabrications they repeatedly get snagged in.

Help me I’m freezing and I can’t get out of this 6 foot high snow drift and Al Gore is in hiding with Osama Bin Laden talking about global warming I mean climate change! Everywhere I look there’s snow in Washington in New York in Pittsburgh in Columbus, OH in Little Rock in Dallas, Texas and now I heard that a winter storm warning is in effect for Pensacola Beach, Florida. Obama and Al Gore your being laughed at by your pets, by Americans and even God is laughing at you! O I do have one bit of good news however!It is supposed to warm up in Columbus to 31 degrees 7 days from now. By the way Columbus, Ohio average temperature for this time of year is 42 degrees! And look at the facts(not the tampered emails) next time before you make such an insane accusation!

Stick your head in the sand all you like, but facts are clear. Arctic and Antarctic ice is melting, and the the massive snows and rains we are having are a direct result.
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Yet know one mentions that the ice fields in southern South America are…. Yes you guessed it are actually growing!!! What do you say now? Ice melting does not equate to… warming. If scientists took same measurements 400 years ago was it melting at an alarming rate?

Howard Dean is not a scientist, he majored in political science, medicine and partying.
I don’t know about republicans but as a scientist and as an independent voter I think man-made climate change is a hoax and I am not alone in my opinion.
Obama proposes a Climate Office in spite of the fact that over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe now challenge claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore?
A new 231-page U.S. Senate Minority Report –
updated from 2007’s groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” — features the skeptical voices of over 650 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC.
This updated report includes an additional 250 (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the initial release in December 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

The deniers refuse to acknowledge that global warming experts predicted that storms would more extreme in their power and behavior. Cold areas could become warm and have rain, warmer areas can have extreme snow storms, etc, etc. But the fringe has its agenda – and reality is irrelevant: “Don’t bother me with facts, just say what I want to hear”. The right wing is no different than the Iranian government: “The demonstrators are enemies of God”. That is what the nutwads say about anything that isn’t right wing….

And the earth is flat and beyond this point there be monsters.

Of course we’re experiencing climate change. We’ve been warming ever since the last Ice Age ended about 10000 years ago. We’ll continue warming until we begin to cool again as we head for another Ice Age. That’s just the way the earth’s climate fluctuates historically. Nothing we can do will stop the cycles. Any effective effort we might make would require drastic actions that could alter the natural process of climate change for all time forward. The results might not be pretty. We think we’re so smart but we know so little about the big picture. We most certainly aren’t qualified to be predicting the future.

Dean is just a typical politician – calling his opponents names or claim they have lack of intelligence when they don’t.
With the e-mail scandals, the lack of proper temperature sensor reporting over time, and the lack of allowing for alternative scientific views the IPCC and Global Warming (now Global Change) is just another scam to get your money via higher taxes or fees.
If the Environmentalists and the politicians in both parties wanted things to change in this country, we would have drilled off the coast of Florida, in various areas in the continental US, and Alaska, to produce Natural Gas to power our vehicles without major change.

Give em hell Dr. Dean!!

Of course Republicans do not believe in Science, they belive in their home-spun subjective rhetoric of reality.
I am persuaded that Republicans are the hereditary manifestation of the genes of people in our distant past who confidently believed the world was flat and watched bear baiting spectacles…

Rupert Murdoch believes in climate change.

Have you folks ever thought of Bobs Theory. It goes like this. The planet goes through cycles of warming and cooling. The warming causes glaciers to melt etc.. UNTIL they cool the oceans and when they do the snow and cold comes back and the earth cools for a while. When it cools the polar ice stops melting because the of the natural cooling. The ocean gets warmer because less ice is melted into it from the arctic and the cycle repeats.
Bobs Global Cycles. That theory has as much guess work as Global Warming. I bet I can even come up with models to prove it. So all this hysteria is just that. They have no real proof.

A good dose of skepticism is a good thing when science says they can fix anything. Science is an evolving set of theory and propaganda mixed with a bit of fact. Only fools take it for gospel. I find it interesting that all republicans are now being labeled as anti-science. Yet another spin tactic to fool the weak minded.

ChicagoBob posted “My dog ate my data doesnt cut it in the world of science. ”
Wow Bob, your a scientist. Who would have know. You have a Phd in the worlds climate and you’re sharing your knowledge. That’s really great.
Please post your findings so that we can see how brilliant you really are. You can do that, can’t you? Or are you just like most people here that have little knowledge in this field. Don’t feel bad, I don’t have the training in this field either. But I do know that when the argument about global warming boils down to “Democrat Al Gore is championing this and I hate Democrats” that I should IGNORE everything such a poster says.

What science? — The conjured up kind of science? — The science base on anecdotal evidence? — The science proven to be wrong or intentionally misleading? — Well, gosh almighty, I must just be too dumb, you know, like all those other conservatives who just dont understand the “science”!!! — Howard Dean is a first-class jerk!!

“People who use snowstorms as an example of why global warming doesn’t exist don’t understand the science and they don’t care.”
I’ve been writing on these boards, ever since the Fri-Sat Mid-Atlantic storm that anyone using a single weather event to argue for or against GW is scientifically illiterate (yes, I’m a scientist).
What Dean is say is simply a fact, whether or not there’s a grain of truth in GW.

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The evidence isn’t just a few emails, actually hundreds of emails. Parts of the IPCC report, which most of the discussion has been based, has been proven to be fraudulent; other parts based on weak observations. People have been prevented from publishing articles against GW. Sensors have been put on asphalt, cement and in other areas that exaggerate the heat. Data from cold countries like Russia were precluded from the “worldwide” statistics. The evidence against those perpetrating this fraud is staggering. Besides, does anyone care what Dean thinks….he’s a loon.

Many of the comments here just serve to prove Dean’s point. Either the science is rejected or the messenger is attacked. Examples: MSNBC never argued that the snowstorm was proof of global warming. Al Gore did not invent global warming. The science is not cooked. If the public is “gullible,” that includes the American Meteorological Society, the American Academy for the Advancement of Science, and about two dozen other professional organizations, all of whom recognize a human contribution to social warming. We know it’s possible for an individual to live in a world of psychotic delusions. Is it possible for a whole segment of a population to do the same thing?

If the Republicans don’t believe in science, why do they support NASA – and the Dems don’t? As far as the number of scientists who “believe” in AGW, how many believed that the earth was the center of the universe? Did consensus make it so? BTW, I am a degreed engineer and a Republican, does that mean that I don’t believe in science?

Let’s see…the global warming scientists at East Anglia have cooked the books to produce data that fit their predtermined conclusions, deleted the data needed to independently test their assertions, actively worked to subvert and bury any dissent and have ignored recent cooling trends that call their theories into question. It’s not that Republicans don’t trust science, it’s that they have correctly questioned the scientists and their motives. It seems to me that the certainty of Man Made Global Warming, based on the scientific studies that now exist,is one of the biggest hoaxes ever. Much more real science must be done before we take drastic measures.

I find it so amazing that so many Americans are so misinformed. Not becuase they don’t have access to the information but because they simply do not want to believe what they are told.
Statistically, right-wingers are eductaionally challenged, so why do they vote against education, afforadable healthcare and a clean environment? They would rather listen to the disembodied voice of an arrogant, illiterate fat man laughing out his backside at the world, attacking everything American while cashing those 8-digit paychecks (buys lots of French wine, Cuban cigars and prescription drugs) and accept him as the fount of all knowledge. You just can’t fix stoopid.

Just because Keynes theorized that there was a better way to develop an economy doesn’t mean his theory is viable in practice. So many over educated people take the theories they’ve been exposed to during their education as fact that they now have trouble separating documented fact from speculation. A general knowledge is a good foundation for learning but when that general knowledge is touted as expertise in a particular field we get the kind of results witnessed in Mr. Dean’s assertion that Republicans are stupid, a position that naturally validates his perception of Democrats and their theories as being superior. I was taught to build up everyone because tearing them down only makes the one who is tearing them down look small. Mr. Dean appears miniscule today. This comment from an independent voter.

What scientists throw away their original data?

Let’s keep in mind it was one group responsible for the bad data. They are not the sole provider of climate data, and other organizations actually provide transparency.
This is -global- warming we are talking about, many other countries are collecting data as well. And, as usual, the US data was compiled from previous totals, with the original data being deleted, and then heavily modified through arbitrary functions.
The US is corrupt. This isn’t news to anyone. To use the inherent dishonesty of our country as an argument against the entire field is just silly. If you were to follow that line of thought to it’s strictest conclusion, one could easily determine that every single aspect of life is fake because a corrupt American tampered with the data.
I doubt many of these deniers would be as fast to discredit God just because some of the priests love to molest children.
Once again, it’s just people looking for reinforcements for their completely ignorant ideas. Fun times.

“The earth is flat. All the science to the contrary is cooked.”
The difference is you don’t have a number of emails that show collusion and deception on the part of the round earthers. Climate change is real. AGW is a giant lie.

Howard Dean is a certified idiot!!! Why anyone would even care about what this moron has to say is beyond me!

When somebody like Mr Dean believes IN science, rather than TO scientific facts, then SUCH science (AGW) is a sect of buddism

Read “The Great American Bubble Machine” by Matt Taibbi.

We believe in science, just not “junk science” Mr. Dean.

We believe in REAL science. Just not made up science, and honestly, it didn’t take a brain surgeon to know that global warming was a huge scam. Real scientists remain skeptical – they are willing for their theories to be disproved, because it’s about TRUTH. These “climate scientists” that have perpetrated this scam should be arrested given how much the fraud has cost the world. We’re not talking about “a best guess” like the earth being flat, that was then disproved with exploration… We’re talking about a purposefully executed con. It is the height of hubris to think that anything we do is effecting the climate… but wait – that’s the whole problem with people like Gore and Dean and the rest anyway.

The Church of Climatology
Greenhouse gases are about 95% water vapor, about 3 ½ % carbon dioxide and 1 ½ % methane and nitrous oxide. With carbon dioxide at 3 1/2 % of the greenhouse gas in the atmosphere 3-4 percent of that is human caused…That must be so significant that it is worth changing any and every human behavior!
So you do the math. We are talking about three–and-a-half percent times four percent. Say 0.035 times 0.040. This turn out to be a huge number 0.0014000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
That is whopping 14/10,000. You can say it, Fourteen ten thousandths, yes that is really 10,000ths – Huge Number.
So we can just say that 0.0014000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is 14/10,000.
Now deniers will say we can reduce this fraction to lowest terms by dividing both the numerator and denominator by 2. This is the kind of trick deniers use. Everyday they are saying crazy things like the answer is really seven five-thousandths, which sounds much smaller, but that can’t be true. This thing is too huge. We have found the answer and the answer is 0.0014000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
So even if a denier comes to you and clams the answer is 7 / 5,000 show them the math. This is Huge.

The global warming is catching up attention of all the public. There has been a significant change the earth weather and climatic condition. The temperature of the earth has increased significantly. the rainfall pattern is also changing around the clock.

We’ve got global warming in Michigan, in Wisconsin, in Rhode Island and California…whoooahhhhh !!!!

Where is AL? Leaveing a huge carbon footprint to fly his jet somewhere it is warm. HIDE AND WATCH…..LOL

Maybe Inhoffe’s tiny little brain was frozen inside the igloo… this could be opportunity though as it will help him connect better with his constituency