Feb 26, 2010 8:05am
McCain on Health Care: ‘Start Over or Don’t do Anything’
He told me on GMA this morning that doing nothing is not much of an option and that he would “be glad to go over again” to continue the discussion.
He called the Democrats cost analysis of the current proposal “Bernie Madoff accounting” and suggested that passing a bill via reconciliation voting would have “cataclysmic effects.”
See the entire interview here:
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MCain is still bitter over the election. I believe the GOP should get over themselves and vote for this Bill. This is not about the GOP this is about what America really wants AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE!
Posted by: daphparker | February 26, 2010, 8:17 am 8:17 am
Like he said he is reminded every day about losing the election. Really John? Everyday? It must be hard to hear that you were a loser everyday. No wonder you come off as a Cheneyesc bittler old man. All of the Republicans were campaigning, and some of them sounded so stupid as to be non-coherent. Almost Palinesc. How sad that the republicans don’t really care that you have no insurance or that your premiums went up 150% in the last 10 years. The party of no is still and always will be the party of NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Chuck | February 26, 2010, 8:25 am 8:25 am
So tired of McCain. Just wish he’d retire and go back to AZ. Can’t remember when he last had something useful to say.
Posted by: JRG | February 26, 2010, 8:28 am 8:28 am
There are few things I will admit to agreeing with McCain on, but this is one of them. We need to totally start over. The current bills are horrible and are nothing what we want or need. The core of health care reform needs to be the “public option”. If we do this right, we can get EVERYONE onboard. The problem is “for profit” healthcare. This needs to end, and the only way to do that is to have a “public option.” Even republicans will come around if we do healthcare reform out in the open with everyone involved and the health care lobbyists and the other special interest groups locked out of the process.
Posted by: Realliberal | February 26, 2010, 8:30 am 8:30 am
I think our politicians need to stop bickering like little children and actually DO something instead of spending all their time fighting. Democrats and Republicans are always fighting. Its childish and does nothing for us (the american people).
And I would just like to say that Republicans are not the party of No. I’m not a Republican myself, I’m an Indpendent, but my boyfriend is a Republican and he can’t afford Health Care either. I work for a health insurance company, so I pay very little for my premiums (about 4 bucks a month), but I do agree that health care costs need to come down. I’ve heard how expensive they are.
Posted by: Shawna | February 26, 2010, 8:31 am 8:31 am
We have a 911 in this country every month due to people with lack of health care. But what does our illustrious republicans want to do. Slow down, start over, take it step-by-step (didn’t we all hear that from these Lemmings ad nauseum yesterday). I hear they’re struggling with which motto to use for the up and coming election – “No We Can’t” or “No We Won’t”.
Posted by: pamp205 | February 26, 2010, 8:32 am 8:32 am
I am not a McCain fan but he is right, START OVER. The Democrats let the liberals hijack this bill that is why they could never pass it. This is a terrible bill that will have devestating conquences for our economy if passed.
Posted by: Billy Bob | February 26, 2010, 8:36 am 8:36 am
Now that Grown up people have had a chance to see and hear for themselves how the (party of NO)wants to keep runing the country into the ground as they have done for the EIGHT BUSH&the other GUY years, please wake up and vote them out of office before its to late, and stop worrying about sepnding your childrens and grand childrens future the entire world is in debt; we need help NOW.
Posted by: vern | February 26, 2010, 8:39 am 8:39 am
Some day John you will come to understand that the american people did not elect you to run this country. Just as the country had to let george run the country when he was in. My own thoughts are that all of you politicans have shown us this time how stupid the american voter is to elect any jerk that is already in office. We need the politican like we need a hole in the head. Very few of us would want you for a friend or family member. And tthe only reason the politican would like the public is because you want the money from the position. You are all just like a bloodsucker on the public. And at one time I use to think car salesmen were bad. Wow was that a mistake
And I have to wonder just how smart John thinks he really is. After all he WAS next to last to graduate from the Naval academy.
Posted by: Dave | February 26, 2010, 8:40 am 8:40 am
I hope the president got the message yesterday. No matter how he goes about it, to engage the republicans in discussion about Health Care for the 30 million who are uninsured; they will continue to ignore his efforts and play games. Now is the time Mr. President to say the hell with them and put the public option back into play and pass a healthcare reform bill that will send message to those who want to hold your administration hostage with stall tactics.
Posted by: Peoples_Pres | February 26, 2010, 8:41 am 8:41 am
Enough of this clown who somehow thinks his ideas are relevent and that he is still running for President. His whole tirade yesterday was a campaign speech from his failed election bid. He needs to fully understand that America has spoken and that he lost. He symbolic though of what the Republican Party has become, a club of old men with old ideas, some young men with old ideas, and nothing constructive to add to today’s world. These guys all live in a vacume, are serving the masters of corporate America and would not think of giving you the same health care insurance coverage they have. Nothing but a bunch of self serving who’s motto is…”I’m the one that counts, to hell with the rest of America, you’re just our pawns and doormats to be used for our interest”.
Posted by: jake | February 26, 2010, 8:41 am 8:41 am
I couldn’t believe how the Republicans acted during that hearing yesterday. I didn’t vote for Obama, but I see now I voted the wrong way. Republicans, if you want me to continue voting for you, please act you own selfish interests.
Posted by: rich | February 26, 2010, 8:46 am 8:46 am
Billy Bob and Vern: First, Bob, it wasn’t liberals who hijacked the bill. If us liberals had written the bill, health care would have a strong public option and be all emcompassing. No silly fines, no co-pays/deductables, no absurd referrals. It was special interests and dirty democrats who ruined the bills. To you Vern, the grown up people in this country are going to vote out the problem democrats come this November. Unless Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the gang step down and let other democrats run, I promise you this, we will vote for whoever runs againsts them even if its a republican. We got President Obama by getting the vote from disgruntled republicans who wanted to clean house. Now its our turn to clean house and were gonna clean hard in November.
Posted by: Realliberal | February 26, 2010, 8:47 am 8:47 am
John McCain is a typical republican he does not want to provide insurance for the rest of us like the insurance we provide for him. Two faced with forked tongue.
Posted by: Jerry | February 26, 2010, 8:57 am 8:57 am
I had the chance yesterday to watch about 5 hours of the summit. My impression of the entire thing:
Republicans – “We don’t like this bill and our people are telling us they don’t like this bill. This is why…”
President – “I hear what you are saying and your point is interesting but I think what we have done is the best we are going to get. Now to the next speaker.”
Democrats – “We have alot of stories of Americans who are uninsured or underinsured and our people are telling us that we have do to something to fix healthcare so we did something.”
Tom Coburn of Ok was the only one that said anything really of substance on the issue. The rest was political pandering and positioning. Oh well at least CSPAN was there.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | February 26, 2010, 9:00 am 9:00 am
The current Bill is nothing about lowering health costs and everything about Pelosi and Obama gaining control over 1/6th of our economy. All you lazy people that want the government to provide for you are nuts.
Posted by: Mac | February 26, 2010, 9:04 am 9:04 am
“MCCAIN ON HEALTH CARE: ‘Start Over or Don’t do Anything’” what he’s really saying: Stall, stall, stall. We haven’t quite wiped out the middle class just yet. But I think they’re on their last breath.
Posted by: brian | February 26, 2010, 9:06 am 9:06 am
It was nice to see the facts presented and all of the Democrats lies exposed. The media had to show it this time. They have done a good job of hiding all the points the Republicans have been trying to prove and now we saw it in real time. Obama and Pelosi are trying to take over this country and they got exposed yesterday.
Posted by: Mac | February 26, 2010, 9:07 am 9:07 am
mac WRITES: The current Bill is nothing about lowering health costs and everything about Pelosi and Obama gaining control over 1/6th of our economy. All you lazy people that want the government to provide for you are nuts.
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Not everyone without healthcare is lazy. I have a friend who was diagnosed with Lukemia 3 years ago. His current employer’s healthcare pays $3,000 PER MONTH on his treatment to stay alive. I hope they don’t up and drop him. He’s been a good friend. I’d hate to lose him because noone cared!
Posted by: Jackson | February 26, 2010, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Bobtherepublican,
I watched the whole thing and agree with you completely.
I was upset with some Republicans because they just wanted to harp on the number of pages as if that has any real significance as to the value of the bills.
I was upset with some Democrats because they just wanted to tell those heart-wrenching stories and criticize the Republicans for not rubber-stamping their desires.
I was upset with the President when he would cut someone off; apparently no one was allowed to criticize anything about the 2 bills. I was also upset because he would twist what the Republican speaker said to where what he said had no relevance to what the speaker said.
Boehner needed to shut up! As did Pelosi, that woman needs to cut back on her caffeine intake!
I did like what Tom Coburn said because I work in the medical data analysis field and he is RIGHT.
There are good things and bad things about both of the bills. The Republicans DO have some valid points and ideas that need to be included.
But all that apparently will come out of this is more bickering and grand-standing from both parties….in Congress and on these blogs.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Most Americans don’t want anything done until it is too late.
Posted by: 92F150 | February 26, 2010, 9:14 am 9:14 am
I dont know who gets polled, but everyone, except Rep/Con where I live says pass HC reform…I have Medicare Advantage and it wouldnt hurt to go back to regular Medicare, but the $15, billion a year Insurance Co. would lose is enough for them to lobby hard against….
Posted by: chaney | February 26, 2010, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Republicans blocked health care reform legislation during the Clinton administration and the problem has continued to grow into quite the monster. If we start over, put this off for another year, the problem will get worse and the solutions will become even more complicated.
Posted by: Joel Miller | February 26, 2010, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Somebody needs to tell him he lost!LOL!!
Posted by: rightbehind | February 26, 2010, 9:21 am 9:21 am
I dont know who gets polled, but everyone, except Rep/Con where I live says pass HC reform…I have Medicare Advantage and it wouldnt hurt to go back to regular Medicare, but the $15, billion a year Insurance Co. would lose is enough for them to lobby hard against…. posted by chaney
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Most Americans, including Republicans and conservatives DO want health insurance reform (which is what this is about).
As stated several times during yesterday’s meeting (by Democrats, Republicans, and the President), there are different views as to how best to accomplish providing everyone with health insurance while not bankrupting the nation. It’s called getting the most bang for your bucks.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 9:24 am 9:24 am
What should they get rid of the provision denying people with preexisting conditions, or anything requiring insurance cos. to pay for people getting sick. Who is leading the Death Squads this time Mr. McCain.
Posted by: parma hts gary | February 26, 2010, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Looking at most of these responses, they are really nothing more than a continuation of the same meaningless babble that our politicians are doing. It is all about proving that I am t he smartest one, I am intellectually superior to all of you.
Here is one thing I heard in the clash between McCain and Obama: McCain tries to hold the president accountable for his promises to make this whole process transparent. Obama does not directly respond to that statement, but tries to put McCain down with his remark about the electiion being over. So then I am left to assume that the president is in effect saying that he never intended to keep those promises. They were just campaign promises.
Posted by: Roger H. | February 26, 2010, 9:25 am 9:25 am
John McCain, STOP SPEAKING ON MY BEHALF! As one of the American People, I take deep insult to your comments about what the American People want. We want you to stop talking around the issue and get something done. Starting over is not an option now. You’ve had over a year to belly up to the negotiation table and get what you want, but you chose to waist that time. I say, Republicans – stop pouting like three year old children and start doing your jobs. Find a solution with what you have and actually help the American People.
I 100% support President Obama if he decides to go forward with a plan if you wont do your job!
Truly, Your Taxpayer!
Posted by: mend | February 26, 2010, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Somebody needs to tell him he lost!LOL!!—-posted by rightbehind
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Senator McClain was not elected POTUS; he is STILL a United States Senator and is authorized and obligated to speak out on issues.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Is Mccain threatening again? Reconciliation has been used 21 or 22 times since 1982, mostly by Republicans!!! Now suddenly its inadvisable,Get outa here… I am sick and tired of all the stalling get this passed and move on there are people dying and running out of time…. I know some….
Posted by: chaney | February 26, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am
The “public option” isn’t the only way, though it might point the country back to what worked well: the private NON-profit health insurance we had a generation ago. Even “Japan Incorporated”, that nation of capitalism worshippers, knows it’s ridiculous to have for-profits doing primary health insurance. There is absolutely NO government insurance in Japan, but everyone is insured by one of 240 non-profits. There is ONE national set of network charges and that reduces the cost of paperwork from 25% of healthcare dollars to 3%. On top of that, Japanese insurers spend 94% of premiums on health care vs 71% in the USA where 7% profits, corporate jets, skyscraper headquarters, bloated bonuses, etc. are the standard.
Posted by: The_Mick | February 26, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Why does McCain think he is even relevant? You would figure after losing two presidential elections; one to a former frat boy with a “C” average and the other to an African American that McCain would get the message and go retire in shame and simply live off the fortune of his trophy wife.
Posted by: Peoples_Pres | February 26, 2010, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Republicans seem to think that the 69 million people who voted for Obama should just go away? The Dems still have huge majorities in both houses. There is no way in hell the Dems will start over. Get ready for recolciliation which basically means majority rules which means 51 votes. Republicans have used in 16 times in recent history while Dems have used it just 7 times. Those of you who voted Republican lost! Just like McCranky Pants! Go to hell!
Posted by: roxsteady | February 26, 2010, 9:32 am 9:32 am
I was very disappointed in George S this morning as he interviewed John McCain —
he obviously does not like the Senator and did not let McCain finish a single comment without interrupting him — I have watched George for years on This Week and in that venue he was always Very Careful to keep his personal views to himself — careful George — your politics is showing!!!!
Posted by: missy | February 26, 2010, 9:35 am 9:35 am
First of all I want to commend Pres. Obama for actually putting this health care summit on national t.v. Bush never did that, only back room deals to steal tax payer money. Now the repubs can’t say he didn’t invite them or use any of their ideas. In fact he stated that he put their ideas in the bill and they turned around and said it was Gov’t run ideas. How can they go against their own ideas. Just goes to show they don’t care about Americans at all, they just want to make Obama look bad, but they just put the nail in their own coffin, cause they looked soooooooo stupid sitting there with those dumb looks on their faces, cause Obama called them out on national tv to either put up or shut up. Now they can’t go around lying anymore about he would not let them bring their ideas. Sorry repubs I know you can’t stand the fact Obama is president, and there is nothing you can do about it. And I am here to tell you, I plan to help him get re-elected for a 2nd term and so will a lot of other people. You need to realize G.W. Bush and that idiot Cheney, messed up the republican party for life. Those two and their whole administration will go down in history as one of the worst president and vice president in American History, and that will be remembered for a long time and our children will learn about their crimes in the history books for years to come.
Posted by: Denise | February 26, 2010, 9:38 am 9:38 am
mend, your opinion is not the only one. OK? Other Americans approve of what Senator McCain and other Republicans say. Other Americans see valid points on both sides.
I’m registered Republican, but think like an independent. I listen to all views and then use my brain to decide what points I approve or disapprove of.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 9:40 am 9:40 am
George when are you going to stop pushing the Republican viewpoint this was a BIG summit and before and after you never talked to any Democrats just the usual Republican viewpoint you are certainly obvious on which side YOU favor but I don’t watch news to hear YOUR side just the INFORMATION. George you are a very poor excuse for a news reporter very one sided. I loved watching GMA in the morning now that you are there it ruins my day. We need too rename the show Good Morning Fox News. The Today show is looking better each day.
Posted by: Viriginia Viewer | February 26, 2010, 9:40 am 9:40 am
McCain is so bent out of shape from getting his arse handed to him on 2008 that his head is frozen into place bound by pure rage. His only suggestion is to NOT DO ANYTHING?! Is this what we expect from people we elect to represent us who are treated like kings in return?! He is void of any genius it takes to run a nation. America, you got lucky when this man lost the opportunity to guide this nation.
Posted by: Real American | February 26, 2010, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Those of you who voted Republican lost! Just like McCranky Pants! Go to hell!-hatefully ranted by roxsteady
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No thank you, Hell has no attraction for me at all. Yes, those who voted for McCain for president voted for the loser OF THAT RACE.
Senator John McCain is a United States Senator with the same rights and obligations of every other US Senator, be they Democrat or Republican.
People like you seem to want the US to be some 3rd-rate country where the majority party is also the only party with any rights. Sorry, that’s not the way it works in the USA.
I pray hateful people like you never get your wish.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
It’s amazing to me that people cannot see the hypocrisy in this healthcare mess. It’s okay for taxpayers to foot the bill to cover every member of Congress; with the best medical and insurance coverage available. But talk about giving something back to the public and hold up a minute there partner; let’s start over. Here’s a better solution, how about everybody from the President down pay for their own healthcare (period); no, can’t do that, how about stationing a few of those billion dollar floating medical ships off the shores of America; and letting Americans benefit from free medical care.
Posted by: Stlchicago | February 26, 2010, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Is GMA going to have some Democrats on soon or are we just going to continue to get this slop from guys like John McCain who seem like angry ex boyfriends trying to get revenge. Come on George, where is the non-biased news you used to give. It seems like this show has been purchased by the GOP for their own political agendas.
Posted by: Josh | February 26, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am
The disaster the President is pushing is a Plan to Fail. If the purpose of this process is to make health care affordable and accessible, you have to start by controlling the cost of Health Care Procedures. Here in New England a place where you can be in for states in Just under over and hour of driving there can be as much as a $15,000. difference in the same procedures in some cases with he same Dr. doing the procedure.
The Mandates the president is pushing have failed everywhere they have been tried and are unconstitutional to boot.
President Obama Clearly has turned this into political stunting rather than making Health Care Available or affordable and seems to determined to give a Republican Congress and President. I don’t believe that the Republican are my friend On Health Care ,, but the Democrats have proven they are the Enemy. They can change that is they choose to but as long as they allow their fringe president with kamikaze leadership style to continue they will be the enemy!
Posted by: Rick | February 26, 2010, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Mr. Mc Cain: get over it…as the Pres. says..the election is over. Time and money is ticking and we need this health care now. Tell it to the people who have no insurance and to those who have been dropped and are being asked to pay exorbitant fees like $750 per month to keep a child on for one year so she can finish her college education. That is outrageous. You have been away from the PEOPLE too long. You need to speak not to the tea party ones but the everyday people who are really suffering and are afraid to be sick. Many are not going to the doctor because they are afraid he will find something. Why should anyone in this United States live with those fears when we can do something about it?
Posted by: talmag | February 26, 2010, 10:06 am 10:06 am
His only suggestion is to NOT DO ANYTHING?! Is this what we expect from people we elect to represent us who are treated like kings in return?! posted by ‘Real’ American
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Apparently you missed the meeting yesterday; I didn’t..watched every minute of it. Senator McCain and other Republicans have many valid suggestions on how best to obtain true health insurance reform.
Your statement of “His only suggestion is to NOT DO ANYTHING?!” displays your inability to read the opening paragraph of this article.
I disagree with Senator McCain’s call to start over; but I definitely understand why he and others want that to happen. Both of the bills are hideously flawed; much of their contents are the results of closed meetings, back-room deals, and downright bribes. Therefore, how can the Republicans support something they know so little about?
But starting over is wrong because America can’t wait. Of course, much of the help in the 2 bills won’t go into effect for years either.
That is why many Republicans are asking that some of the elements begin right away. Too bad so many people can’t understand such reasonable logic.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
when george asked mccain did he still have a personal vendetta against president he did that silly laugh like come on george,but ray charles can see that john mccain is truly still bitter that he lost the election to a one term senator that he labeled incompetent and inexperienced but the american people saw different.he need to get over it and do his job in the senate.the republicans are trying to win back the house and senate so they will try to derail anything the democrats are trying to pass. the american people are truly being fooled by the republican party but when and if they get back in power watch out america be careful what you wish for.
Posted by: gwenc | February 26, 2010, 10:08 am 10:08 am
“he need to get over it and do his job in the senate.”
Gwenc, that is what Senator McCain is doing…his job as a US Senator. That means he makes decisions and votes based on what he believes his constituents want and what he considers best for the nation as a whole.
You may disagree with his decisions. If so, let him know…especially if he represents you and your state.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 10:14 am 10:14 am
JoelMiller wrote, “Republicans blocked health care reform legislation during the Clinton administration and the problem has continued to grow into quite the monster. If we start over, put this off for another year, the problem will get worse and the solutions will become even more complicated.”
Yo, Joel — if the Democratic reform plan was so good, why didn’t they get it passed while they had the majority? Because of infighting in their own party! You cannot blame the Republicans for that one! :-)
(and it’s a good thing this one didn’t pass because a big chunk of the American public was against it as well…can’t blame the Republicans for that, either.)
Posted by: JustMe | February 26, 2010, 10:14 am 10:14 am
The word “STARTOVER” is code for – We will never let it get this far again… Nothing is being offered but arguments and more time wasted to get more REPUBLICANS in the office to defeat anything the President will put up!!! Please use your heads to read between the RHETORIC!!!
Posted by: thatswhatuget | February 26, 2010, 10:17 am 10:17 am
I watched almost every minute of this thing. It was quite fascinating to watch the Republicans try so hard to be civil while their intent was very clear. Each time they raised even a “valid” objection, it was answered by the president to the point of silence. When it was all finished, the more pragmatic type republicans had had to agree to about 80 percent of what was proposed. How could they not agree. They had little choice because most of these ideas were their ideas in the first place. Too bad none of them had the sack to simply say==”we were wrong before–but we are right now”
But then you had those two sitting the right of the President acting like they were being tortured by having to sit their in front of the cameras and hid their true feelings on the matter.
(Espcially that Mitch Mcconnell– who clearly looks stressed most of the time anyway) But when it was their turn to speak they basically ignored about 5 hours worth of talk from their very own people, and started in with the (We need to start over because 80 percent is not good enough–BS. The truth is they clearly do not want to do anything.. and 80 is 8/10 of the way away from their TRUE position anyway.)
I know they are only worried about being reelected. Reminds me of an over indulgent parent of a child who doesn’t like booster shots–telling the doctor NO. Honestly, the parent is more afraid of the child’s temper than of the child catching a measles. Needless to say that parent is against health care for her child–the way republicans are against it for their unwilling/scared/ignorant children– their constituents. Yes democracy is hard. And yes, if these republicans do not get reelected they will have to find health care for themselves–the way the rest of us do.
Posted by: JRC903 | February 26, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am
It is sad that everyone sees it as bickering, when what I saw was the President cutting everyone that doesnt have his same views off. What was the point of the summit anyway? There isnt any other way than the democrat way,right? Thats pretty much what Ive read all of these comments saying .I hope, for my kids sake & for everyones sake that this bill doesnt get anyhwere near getting passed, w/ its current contents- it will be devastating.
Posted by: angie | February 26, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Personally, as a resident of AZ, I would like to ask JMcCain…Where the hell are you during AZ’s budget crisis? We are laying off police, teachers and have NO budget agreements for state and local governments…and here you are, quoting alleged Arizonans on HealthCare? We need our leaders, not some national spotlight hogging politician who does NADA for his home state! Yet, here you are, AGAIN, quoting statistics for a state you represent, but do not help??? Tragically Hypocritical!!
Posted by: DavidNAz | February 26, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Anyone who says ALL America wants the Obama Health Care are misleading themselves. ALL AMERICA DOES NOT WANT SOCIALIZE HEALTH CARE NOR DO THEY WANT ILLEGALS COVERED BY A BACKDOOR MOOVE TO MAKE THEM LEGAL.
Furthermore,if the Congress, Senate, The President and ALL other Government employees are not forced into the almighty Obama Health Care Plan, then it is not worth a pile of doggy poop.
Posted by: JR | February 26, 2010, 10:22 am 10:22 am
How could anyone be against the president’s healthcare bill? Government’s responsibility is to govern and that is just what this bill does. If we don’t want any government then we are living in the wrong country. As far as ncCain, well its time for him to go home and give someone else a chance.
Posted by: Bill | February 26, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
also, malcat- I could say the totally opposite of what you said about everyone wanting it where you live. Unless, you are talking about “insuring everyone” because thats what people here, in Texas, want -not a bill thats going to exclude & include anything and everything one side of the table wants. I think for once, our ” government” -(dont want to step on toes so that includes all of them)- needs to listen to ” real” people the ones who are actually uninsured. And believe me, that isnt anyone sitting in that room yesterday.
Posted by: angie | February 26, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
This is the never ending Obama campaign, all the same actors and the same rhetoric and B.S…..I wish Obama would remember he IS the President and act like one in stead of Mr. Wimpy and I wish McSame would retire and join Rumsfeld in counting desert rocks.
Posted by: CC | February 26, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am
I know it was just a movie – but we could really use an “Eagle Eye” computer system to eliminate all the individuals committing TREASON against the people of this country. The first to go, every white male over the age of 50. They’ve been selling part of this country away for years; we just lived 8-years of TREASON; and nothing has been done about. Can somebody develop the “Eagle Eye”
Posted by: Stlchicago | February 26, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Start over??? The Republican establishment never began. As for the Democrats, you couldn’t even come to a consensus in your own party. I’m going Independent. Your both gone in November.
Posted by: JOE | February 26, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am
How could anyone be against the president’s healthcare bill? Government’s responsibility is to govern and that is just what this bill does. If we don’t want any government then we are living in the wrong country. As far as ncCain, well its time for him to go home and give someone else a chance. posted by Bill
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As the saying goes: “The devil is in the details.” Many Americans from both parties as well as independents do agree with some or even all of the ‘intent’ of the bills. Many Americans do not agree with ‘how’ the intent will be full-filled. For those who do not agree with all of the intent, they have valid reasons to want the bills changed.
I see you have been studying President Obama’s method of debate. If someone is against one thing, then they must therefore be against all other related things. People who oppose some or all of these bills do not want ANY government. The dispute is how much government.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I don’t know why anyone would want the government to control any more of our lives than they already do , This MANDATE thing is terrible . Then on top of that they want to raise taxes and cut medicare Why are american people so gullible ?
Posted by: larry | February 26, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am
I am of social security age now. When I was part of the work force, I didnt hide any of my income…..Naturally, I worked harder and longer for the same amount of money to take home than others who had schemes to sheild their income from social security and income tax….As a result, I get more than they do each month in social security payouts…so to some extent there is some fairness in the system….my father died because he could not afford medical care and insurance companies would not insure him….when he bought insurance, they disqualified him. For myself, medicare paid for my hospital visits and most of my follow up care. I have medication for my high blood pressure, so my chances of stroke are diminished.
Posted by: George D | February 26, 2010, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Start over or don’t do anything?
“My way or else.”
Posted by: newz4i | February 26, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Hurry up already and pass this bill. We need a new form of government where the government controls healthcare, business, and private property ownership! Perhaps then we can have a society where everyone is equal: no rich and no poor!
I am so tired living in a country where the poor are taken advantage of and the rich just get richer. It is time for a change; a time where government punishes greed and rewards the disadvantaged.
President Obama is trying to lead us in that direction, but is constantly getting heat from the rich club repubs. This is the first President in my lifetime that gives me hope of an equal playing field.
Posted by: powerdrive | February 26, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
also, malcat- I could say the totally opposite of what you said about everyone wanting it where you live. Unless, you are talking about “insuring everyone” because thats what people here, in Texas, want -not a bill thats going to exclude & include anything and everything one side of the table wants. I think for once, our ” government” -(dont want to step on toes so that includes all of them)- needs to listen to ” real” people the ones who are actually uninsured. And believe me, that isnt anyone sitting in that room yesterday. posted by Angie
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Angie, I did not say everyone wanted it. I was responding to someone who did say that. I ususally paste the comment I am responding to before my comments…like I did here.
I do want health insurance reform…but disagree with much of how the Democrats are going about it.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 10:50 am 10:50 am
The whole point is this…pay into the system when you are young and able….and pray to GOD the succeeding generations will have the good sense to keep up the payments into medicare and insurance for all. We will all be both poor and rich in our lives, but we all suffer when the least among us gets ill….you dont get wealthy by beggaring your neighbor….food in not enjoyed when your neighbors look at you in hunger and misery as you consume…many Biblical admonitions attest the this…”how do you feed the multitude with just a few loaves? I say that bread is the body of goodness, not of wheat.
Posted by: George D | February 26, 2010, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Just want to throw something out there. Consider it the conservatives position as to why heathcare costs are so high.
The problem with our healthcare system isn’t who pays for the care but how it is set up to be paid for. Since at least the early 20th century the reimbursement for heathcare services has gone from a provider to consumer relationship to a leveraged relationship, with a third party payor.
Provider to consumer – “I(doctor) gave you an exam because of your illness. The fee for the service is $10.” Consumer pays $10
Leveraged Relationship – Same situation above but instead of the Consumer paying $10, and third party, be it the government or a private company takes say $5 from 10 people, betting that only 1/3 of the people in a given time frame will need the check up and figures they will need to pay 3 doctors $10 each, and have $20 left over for administration and as back up just incase one out of the 7/10 that need to be well get sick.
Now such a situation works only if there are enough doctors supplying the service to keep the price of the service at $10 and if only 1/3 of the people in the time frame(lets say a month) need the service.
What we have now in our country is a lessening of the number of providers and an increase in people using the service, either because they are sick or they are using the service for other than when are sick and so are using it unnecessarily, and stressing the reserve pool.
So the providers raise the price of the service either because they can because of supply and demand, or because of the increase in overhead, and so the third party must increase the price they are getting from the pool of people to cover them. Instead of the 3/10 predicted to use the service, say 7/10 are predicted to use it, and instead $10 an exam, say it is $13 an exam. If we keep with the original 40% back up for administration and reserve we have to take a minium of $15.17 to cover the original spread percentage of projected payout, administration and reserve. But we don’t want to charge more for the insurance than the service costs so we have to get the consumer to share costs so we can keep the price low i.e. copays, deductible and restrictions.
Sound familiar. Anyway the only way we can fix this issue with leveraging is if we deal with four issues: (1)More providers(doctors, nurses, ect) to treat the patients and to bring the cost down through competition, (2)reduce the overhead of providers so they can have less costs to pass to the consumer,(3) reduce to number of people who have to use the service thereby reducing how much each person has to pay for insurance,(4) and increasing the pools of people who pay for the services of those who need to use it.
The bill before congress deals with 4, and touches on 3 but doesn’t deal with 1 and 2 at all.
We either have to have a plan that deals with all four of those issues, or we have to go back to a provider to consumer relationship and abolish all insurance companies and all healthcare entitlements that are government provided.
I doubt the government has the will to take on the second option so the first is the only option.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | February 26, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am
I really cannot believe we would let this President socialize our healthcare care.
Thanks!
Paula
Posted by: Paula | February 26, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Start over or don’t do anything?
“My way or else.” posted by newzi
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Start over means begin work again to produce a better bill. It doesn’t mean the bill has to be only what Senator McCain wants.
But ‘my way or else’ is exactly what the Democrats are saying: agree with what we want or we will use reconciliation. Of course, how the Democrats will get all of their own party to agree remains to be seen. There are additional bribes to be made?
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 10:59 am 10:59 am
The election is over. For the first time in my life I am terrified. I was laid off after 28 years and 6 months from retirement. I have always had insurance and never thought about it. Now I will have to pay for it all myself and the cost is crazy. I don’t know what I’m going to do.
Posted by: Karma6338 | February 26, 2010, 11:04 am 11:04 am
McCain sits there with his insurance paid for by us, just like Cheney we paid for his insurance, but they will deny us the same. I don’t know where people get the idea we don’t want reform, am I looking at the wrong stats???? Both of them should go home and stay there, retire like I did…
Posted by: BSKI | February 26, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Follow the money – it will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the McCain’s of the world; healthcare; etc.
Posted by: Stlchicago | February 26, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am
This bybartisanship has gone to far. It will never work, Dems should go it alone by whatever means neccessary
Posted by: BSKI | February 26, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
I read so many comments from people on the right that do not get it. The only way to have a fair society is to wrest the power and wealth from the few and give it to the masses. Why are people without healthcare? Why are some languishing in poverty while some are receiving their golden parachutes for ruining the lives of people?
The only way to have a truly equal society is for the government to control the wealth and welfare of the people it serves. Thank goodness Pres. Obama, Pelosi, and Reed realize this.
What would have happened to GM and Chrysler without Pres. Obama’s taking them over? They would have ceased to exist. Millions without jobs, homes. etc. Now that the government owns a controlling share, they will not go out of business and people keep their jobs.
If the government owned all of the big banks, then these banks could not exploit. They would be forced to have fair lending practices.
If the government controlled property rights and ownership, then we would not have lavish homes only miles from the slums. No rich and no poor, justice for all.
That’s the vision our current President and leaders of the House and Senate have for America. An America where everyone is equal and everyone has a chance.
Healthcare is only one rung of the ladder, but an important one. No cadillac plans for the few, but equal care and access for all.
Posted by: powerdrive | February 26, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Hurry up already and pass this bill. We need a new form of government where the government controls healthcare, business, and private property ownership! Perhaps then we can have a society where everyone is equal: no rich and no poor!
I am so tired living in a country where the poor are taken advantage of and the rich just get richer. It is time for a change; a time where government punishes greed and rewards the disadvantaged.
President Obama is trying to lead us in that direction, but is constantly getting heat from the rich club repubs. This is the first President in my lifetime that gives me hope of an equal playing field. posted by powerdrive
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Do you realize you are asking for a communistic government? You might want to pack your bags for China; I ‘think’ that is the only country with that form of government.
Personally, I prefer a government that recognizes the intelligence and abilities of private citizens.
You state ‘reward the disadvantaged’. Reward for what? Or did you mean ‘help’ the disadvantaged?
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am
If the Administration and Congress resort to using the “nuclear option” to pass a bill of this magnitude and importance, the voters will use our own “nuclear option” which is VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Every day, the American people get more and more fed up with Obama and the Congress. Obama and Congress are going to make what ever backroom deal and special interest payoff they have to in order to ram through a healthcare bill the American people do not want. Obama lied to the American people about transparency and bipartisanship. He rebuffed an organization like C-SPAN who just wanted to make the process TRANSPARENT to the American people.
Congress and this Administration have put the country on a course of reckless government spending that has mortgaged the future of all Americans especially future generations. The only way to fix this long term structural problem is to create a pro-growth atmosphere for business. To do this we must reduce taxes NOW. How many different taxes does a business or individual pay on a regular basis? We must eliminate number and complexity of all these taxes and reduce the tax burden.
We also need to eliminate much of the complexity of government regulation. How many different regulations does a business have to try to comply with? How many forms does a business fill out to comply with government regulations? All of that effort has a cost and the cost is very high. That inhibits growth and jobs.
How many government programs to help the poor and others are so riddled with paperwork and regulation that much of the money spent on them actually goes to pay for the paperwork and regulations. We need to greatly reduce the number and complexity of government programs and eliminate the ineffective ones.
Most of all we need to eliminate the dirty backroom politics and deal making. A law should be for one purpose without unrelated “pork” included to buy votes in the Congress. All bills and meetings should be held and debated with complete transparency.
Obama does not think the American people are competent enough to manage their own affairs so he wants government to do it for us.
We are witnessing the greatest intrusion into the private lives of individuals and business in history. It is time to take our government and Country back. VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Posted by: AngryMobVoter | February 26, 2010, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Well put – powerdrive. But the Dems messed-up with this bybartisanship; they should have destroyed the Repubs when they had the chance. Then the Dems should have taken the step to file treason charges against Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld and Conde Rice.
Posted by: Stlchicago | February 26, 2010, 11:23 am 11:23 am
OK, I understand now. ‘powerdrive’ and ‘Stichicago’ are actually channeling Chavez or Mao. Does anyone here know these two people? I think they may need medical assistance.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am
After the “conservative” media talking heads have been screaming lies for a whole year, many citizens haven’t a clue who to believe. The fact that the Republican leadership has repeated rather than refuted their lies is unconscionable. The USA faces many difficult challenges we must overcome to build a secure future in a peaceful world. The Republican Party has made itself one of those challenges.
Posted by: Ron D- | February 26, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am
The fact that the Republican leadership has repeated rather than refuted their lies is unconscionable. –
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What ‘lies’ would those be, Ron D-?
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Here’s a translation for ‘start over’:
Let’s keep arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing about it and eventually I’ll be dead and gone and won’t have to worry about anything anymore.
In other words, ‘don’t do anything.’
Stallers who have nothing constructive to offer make me sick.
Posted by: Aaron | February 26, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am
No, not a communist country, a progressive country. A communist country means a one party rule. The ideals of Marx were not bad, just the implementation.
Like our President, I have studied the writings of Marx, Jefferson, Mao, and others. Each wrote and held varying philosophical ideals on how to reach and maintain a more ideal society. Out of all of the ones to be considered, the only one that safeguards against avarice and greed is the Marxist one. That’s what Obama recognizes as well.
Study some of Pres. Obama’s earlier writings and you see what I am referring to.
The ideals of Marx is a society where everyone has equal opportunity and access. The problem was that the previous implementations were centered around a autocracy rather than a democracy. That is what separates European socialism from communism.
Why should some be rich and others poor? Why should we have such a gulf between the haves and the have nots? If we are all created equal, shouldn’t we share equally?
That’s precisely why I vote Democrat. True, many Democrats, in the past, were too tied to capitalism as well. They bought into the lie.
However,a new day is dawning. Americans voted for Obama whose views are close to my own. Pelosi and Reid also seem to share common views. If you look at the decisions they are making and compare it with some of Marx writings, you will see the parallel.
Many people do not see the reason Pres. Obama has to act and provide the stimulus package. It was not so much to have an immediate impact on jobs, it was more of an effort to fix a long term injustice. By infusing troubled companies with cash, the government gains a modicum of control and power over them. With GM and Chrysler, they now own the majority interest in those companies. That means that they can control their activities. Why is this a good thing? Look at how they are already implementing salary caps on the top execs. Less money at the top, more to be equally shared.
Posted by: powerdrive | February 26, 2010, 11:39 am 11:39 am
AngryMobVoter – - “We are witnessing the greatest intrusion into the private lives of individuals and business in history. It is time to take our government and Country back. VOTE THEM OUT!!!” AngryMobVoter, what a bunch of B.S. Who told you that you actually have a private life? What, because you can sit on the john and wipe without asking permission, you have a private life? You’re not free to do whatever you like. You may think you are, but you’re not. There’s a law for everything you do and say. You can’t drive a car just because you want too; you can’t board a plane just because you want too. “Witnessing the greatest intrusion into the private lives” – you obviously didn’t live through World War 2 prison camps in America; or the Concentration Camps in America during World War 2; we won’t even talk a slavery.
Posted by: Stlchicago | February 26, 2010, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Watched the interview with McCain. George, you are the worst interviewer I have ever seen. Could not even get a word in, let McCain dictate the interview. What are you afraid of? Being called a liberal, democrat or what. I am an independent but I need to see hard ball questions, not wimpy ones. Get someone else to ask those questions next time. Pathetic!
Posted by: Lawrence | February 26, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Why should some be rich and others poor? Why should we have such a gulf between the haves and the have nots? If we are all created equal, shouldn’t we share equally?
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Powerdrive, you are stating communistic views. Everyone receives according to their need; what you call share equally. The reasons some are more well-off than others are varied…including that the one that is more more well-off is smarter, more educated, more talented, more skilled, a hard worker.
What you want would eliminate a person’s drive to succeed. Why work harder or more efficiently if it gets you nothing more than those who don’t?
I’m a Christian that follows Christ’s teachings to help those less fortunate than I. I believe in sacrificial giving. But I also believe that someone should strive to better his/herself so that they are not less fortunate.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am
WHEN ARE THE PEOPLE SITTING DOWN THERE IN D.C. GOING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT NATION AS TO WHAT THEY WANT. OBAMA AND PELOSKI THE SENATE AND HOUSE WOW WHERE ARE YOUR EARS.
YOU HAD BETTER LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT PUT YOU IN OFFICE. THEY ARE TIRED OF PAYING YOU TO PUT US DEEPER AND DEEPER IN DEBT. LISTEN UP D.C.
Posted by: VOTER | February 26, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Voter, please remember that a lot of Americans approve of what the Democrats are doing. A lot of us don’t.
P.S. could you maybe turn off the all caps? Most people don’t like being ‘yelled’ at.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Wow, I almost voted for McCain & that woman????, But, then I woke up and voted for Right Choice. So glad I did. Where does McCain get off in saying that (I) the public do not want Health Care Reform…maybe he is the one that is dreaming. I believe more and more Americans want and need Health Care Reform. Maybe McCain will agree should he loose his coverage and has to pay for it on his own…Get a Life, McCain or get retired. Who needs you, not I.
Posted by: R | February 26, 2010, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Powerdrive, I hate communism because it squashes a person’s inspiration and drive to better themself.
What you envision for this country scares me…really does.
Taxes as long as they are fair AND sufficient to meet the needs of the country are fine. But for the government to take a higher percentage from one person because they make more is wrong. If a person making a $100K is taxed at the same percentage as a person making $10K, the person making more pays more…10 times more than the person making less.
You want to penalize someone for working hard and being successful. That is totally opposite of what this great nation is all about.
If that is the type of world you think you want to live in, I suggest you move to China. Try it out; see if you think it’s a great idea after living under it’s rules for awhile.
Better yet, take advantage of all the wonderful opportunities this country provides. Apply for scholarships for college; learn a new trade; work hard to better yourself instead of asking everyone else to subsidize you.
And just so you know: I grew up very poor (I’m 59 now). My mother raised 3 children on $40 a week working in a factory. I took advantage of support to go to school and learn a trade. I used what I learned to get a job ‘at the bottom’ and have worked my way up to where I do college-degree work. My salary is still low; I make $35K a year. But I earn my money; I am where I am because I made the effort to better myself.
I wish I made more; I wish I could go back to college and get that degree. But I am responsible for the choices I made and make now. I would not have it any other way.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Wow, I almost voted for McCain & that woman????, But, then I woke up and voted for Right Choice. So glad I did. Where does McCain get off in saying that (I) the public do not want Health Care Reform…maybe he is the one that is dreaming. I believe more and more Americans want and need Health Care Reform. Maybe McCain will agree should he loose his coverage and has to pay for it on his own…Get a Life, McCain or get retired. Who needs you, not I.
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Senator McCain does not say people do not want health insurance reform. He wants health insurance reform. He says that many Americans (running around 50% in most polls) do not want health insurance reform as designed in the Senate and HOR bills passed by the Democrats.
As for who needs Senator McCain…I would say the majority of voters during the last senatorial election thought so. I would say that many of his constituents do need him. Just because you do not approve of him, doesn’t mean all Americans share your views.
If you live in Arizona, I suggest you campaign for someone else during the next election. If you don’t live in Arizona…you’re out of luck.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Powerdrive, that also removes the incentive to innovate as well.
Why work harder to perfect a way of doing things when it will give you no benefit to do so?
Why work at all if you can expect a consistant stipend regardless of what you do?
Why produce anything when the results of production or inaction are the same?
Social equality is a nice concept, however it completely ignores that every human being in American has different hopes, dreams, needs, wants desires, plans, vision, gifts, skills or training, along with a number of other variables.
I will not discount that wealth does help but we have gotten this idea in this country that money equals success, rather than money is a useful tool.
Greater amounts of funds do increase the chance for success but only if it is used wisely. Poor use of it will get you no where.
Why is it that most lottery winners are bankrupt serveral years after winning? Because they received wealth with no idea as to how to use it as a tool.
What will happen if we redistribute wealth as you recommend? Those who know how to use money wisely will continue to use it wisely and will prosper despite of having a large portion of income taken away, while those who don’t know how to use money properly will be still be in the same situation as they are in now because their mindset on the use of money will not have changed.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | February 26, 2010, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
bobtherepublican, Your response to powerdrive is well-stated. Far better than I could have done.
Posted by: malcat | February 26, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Isn’t this the same John McCain who said that “the fundamentals of the economy are sound” when the financial market crashed! Thanks God America did not elect this man. I can’t even envision him tackling our problems.
Posted by: Julescator | February 26, 2010, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Question…if a plane had hit Blair house yesterday, who would have been president?? all the leaders were in the room..
Posted by: skaterdon | February 26, 2010, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Yeah!! Let’s vote another Socialist into office and then we can all suffer, financally,medically and spiritually.
They are doing just what Peoples_Pres said. The whole government needs a complete makeover. How about we get rid of all the cronies and the control freaks and start over!!!
Posted by: RoseyRed | February 26, 2010, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Americans are generally disgusted with both parties at this point. It is clear there is a problem. USA in the only major Western country WITHOUT universal health care. Both parties are trying to position themselves for re-election. Neither party is representing the best interests of the American people who elected them.
The underlying problem is that both Republicans and Democrat parties are beholden to special interests that have funded and WILL fund their re-election campaigns. As a result, both parties represent insurance companies interests. Neither party can afford to do what is best for the American people.
Americans want cheaper health care. USA pays almost DOUBLE what Canadians do for health care. The ONLY way to dramatically reduce costs is to remove the insurance companies from health care system. Doctors treat patients and the only thing insurance companies do is collect money for providing no service at all! The result would be a Medicare-for-All approach to health care!
A Medicare-for-All approach to health care would SAVE about $400 billion in administrative costs every year. Although that is significant, it is not the major cost savings. A Medicare-for-All approach would COLLECT premiums from young healthy people to offset the health costs that occur later in their life! (Currently, the insurance companies collect those premiums and the TAXPAYERS pay those the costs)!
Posted by: dave- | February 26, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Question…if a plane had hit Blair house yesterday, who would have been president?? all the leaders were in the room..
Posted by: skaterdon | Feb 26, 2010 2:17:37 PM
Order of succession is VP, Speak of the House, President Pro Temp of the Senate, then goes down the list of the Cabinet Secretaries. Presidental Succession act of 1947.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | February 26, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Scary succession
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Robert Byrd
4 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
5 Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner
6 Secretary of Defense Robert Gates[2]
7 Attorney General Eric Holder
Posted by: skaterdon | February 26, 2010, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
If an earthquake had destroyed blair house, we would be saying Pres. Byrd today…yikes..!!
Posted by: skaterdon | February 26, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
hey Roseyred…notice where that big shot Canadian pol came to Miami to have specialized heart surgery??
Posted by: skaterdon | February 26, 2010, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Start over so they only delay it again to try to make more political mileage out of the issue, when the numbers of uninsured continues to grow? McCain and Congress have their coverage, while millions suffer and die, and corporate insurers make ungodly profits. Decades have passed and times have changed since health care was last reformed, but McCain wants to maintain the status quo. If the GOP was really sincere and earnest about doing something about health care, why hasn’t a single one of them signed on or supported anything, even their own GOP initiatives? Very hypocritical and politics as usual.
Posted by: chill2256 | February 26, 2010, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
The Ignorance of some of these comments! really? When Arizona voters are reminded of Mr. Hayworth’s long record in Washington of liberal spending and questionable ethics, he will be defeated again just as he was before.
Posted by: audrey | February 26, 2010, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
And another thing; John McCain is the reason for a lot of what you appreciate and the reason you can still make health decisions for yourself. We should and will re-elect mccain. JD is just too morally corrupt.
Posted by: audrey | February 26, 2010, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
If the GOP really wants health care reform, their feelings are “invisible”. Hey, GOP & John McCain, how showing up with some actual ideas …. how about a little compromise.
“passing a bill via reconciliation voting would have “cataclysmic effects.”
Well, probably only for you John …. you might lose you job.
If he reminded every day he lost the election, think of how I feel …. reminded every day how he inflicted Sarah Palin on me ….. speaking of losing the election there’s a reason you might have lost …. your selection of SP for VP.
The summit yesterday may or may have not been pretty much political, but since the GOP are completely political, I think sometimes the Dems have to respond accordingly.
All this, just when I was beginning to think John was an OK guy.
I feel the GOP’s goal is to discredit Obama & they don’t care about the public …. at all. It’s too bad.
Posted by: Linda | February 26, 2010, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Why can’t the Republicans do something constructive instead of stamping their feet and saying no, no, no? Come up with some good ideas; starting over is ridiculous! Can’t they all just grow up? How are we supposed to believe they actually do give a damn about the American people? And I’ve had about all I can take of John McCain; isn’t it about time for him to retire? How about we stop paying for all the great insurance coverage we pay for them to have and give these guys a taste of the reality they want us to live in?
Posted by: jude23c | February 26, 2010, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Linda,
Do not trust a party, trust the system. I agree, that Obama is doing the right thing in attempting to move us more to a socialistic type democracy. Once government begins to expand into the private areas and exerts more control, all those who make up the middle class and poor will benefit more. Only the fat cats will suffer and finally the tables will be balanced!
The only equalizer to a small top wage earning society verses a growing bottom wage earning one, comes through governmental control and oversight. If government controls health care, then government can help control health care cost. How, you ask? By simply limiting the amount of profits and salaries of those employed in the industry.
Think what would happen if a salary limit was placed upon what doctors could make, what hospital administrators could make, etc. How much real money would suddenly be available for enrolling new people to the health care insurance roles? A simple reduction in salaries alone could put billions back into the system.
Of course even without government limiting income and profits, imposing a new 70& tax on those making over 500,000.00 per year could easily pay for these new enrollees. Couple that with assuring that those companies making over 4% profit on medical services (drugs, wheel chairs, MRI machines, etc) paid a surtax of say 70% on all profits above 4%?? How much money would this contribute to a national healthcare? We could cover everyone with additional cost and be cutting future cost at the same time.
This time is really the first time in American history where this vision can come true. We have a President now who sees that income redistribution is necessary to improve the lifestyles of most Americans. We can only be great when all people share in the profits and resources.
Imagine an America where all those who are without housing have access to affordable housing. Where those without health care are provided with health care. Where no child goes hungry or unclothed. Every person receives according to their need and social justice is suddenly a reality. That’s what Americans voted for and let’s see if Obama keeps that promise.
So far, Pres. Barak Obama has been doing a good job in sticking to his guns on the major issues to usher in a new democracy under a new banner; social justice for all!
Posted by: powerdrive | February 26, 2010, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
I have been in the insurance biz for years, I got laid off in July, and if it wasn’t for Obama I would not be able to have my insurance done where I paid 35% and the co. paid 65%, and the worst part? My husband got a job, and his insurance is very good, but to include me, (his legal wife) we would have to pay $750.00 for both of us on his plan, which I, on unemployment, cannot afford! I heard your ridiculous story about the elderly, they have medicare! Both A for hospitals, and B for office calls and D for prescriptions, what do we have! The elderly will always be taken care of, my own mother had Secure Horizon’s which was like a HMO for the elderly, but we cannot afford healthcare, and you have the nerve to say that what Obama who is trying to get United healthcare is wrong? You need to go away, you are way out of your game anymore! Andy Corona
Posted by: Andy Corona | February 26, 2010, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Typical republican response. They offer no ideas except saying no and let’s start over and tax cuts. It’s amazing they can even order lunch.
Posted by: cicclinton | February 26, 2010, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Dear Senator McCain (not John)
You are correct.
BTW the election is indeed over, but this is one Obama voter who wishes we could have a do over.
Posted by: Miri | February 27, 2010, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Dear Senator McCain (not John)
You are correct.
BTW the election is indeed over, but this is one Obama voter who wishes we could have a do over.
Posted by: Miri | February 27, 2010, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Someone needs to inform McCain that we
can have only one President at a
time. A nation divided against itself
cannot stand. “Together we stand and
divided we fall.”
Posted by: vrenae | February 27, 2010, 1:54 am 1:54 am
lets start a new kind of revalution com election time DO NOT VOTE FOR NOT ONE SITTING INCUMBANTSTATTING IN YOUR HOME TOWN @ the lowest level of government show these profesional bs artists oh sorry polititions that we the people do have a say in how this country is run i for one am tirered of all the crap i dont want to push 1 for english and if my kids want to pray to god in school they have that right we did as kids and didnt have near the trouble they have today i want the usa back that i grew up with and i am watching every single right we have slowly taken away did you know that we did not get a raise on soc sec for the next 2 years becouse the cost of living did not raise but congress voted them selfs a healthy raise yes voted them selfs one wish i could do that wife lost insuance becouse they raised her premiums they say the cost of opperations are to high so they needed to raise the overall cost plus raise her co pay we are o soc sec and could not aford this hike lets stop this insanity before its to late and we dont have a say at all
Posted by: wayne | February 27, 2010, 1:54 am 1:54 am
George, you are correct saying “people” want ObamaCare. However, “people” is in a small minority. All the polls I’ve seen recently show most Americans DO NOT WANT ObamaCare. Why do you carry the water for the progressives? Oh, that’s right. You’re a progressive not a reporter.
Posted by: Tom Boscher | February 27, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Wayne,
Once Obama, Pelosi, and Reed’s vision of a new socialist democracy takes hold, then people like you will benefit. It takes time and we must continue to elect like minded politicians into the battle against capitalism to be replaced by a democratic socialism.
We have tried the current climate of trickle down economics and it doesn’t work. What we need now is to continue down the path to a new day when government continues to reign in the fat cats through a process of equalization. We need and deserve a day when government, not so called free enterprise, extends its reach and control over commerce and dictates how much income a person can either earn or keep to level the playing field.
Why do we need top execs, physicians, drug companies, etc. earning millions of dollars per year while those who perform necessary labors in this country live with sub-standard wages? It is fair that an exec gets golden parachutes while a mendicant worker feeds from the crumbs that fall from his table? Government needs the power and control to say to the execs, your day of power and greed is over. You can make all you want, but we will decide what you can keep! Give to those who have not and take from those that have too much!
This is the change people voted for in the election of Pres. Obama. Obama is a student of Marx, Jefferson, and Mao. He sees the need of social and societal evolution and like the majority of us new democrats, recognizes that a democracy based upon social justice is the best route to take. No more strict constitutional form of government, but a government that works for the people, by the people, and for the common good of all is what is needed. Every person in this country needs to be given affordable housing, medical care, and food. Why should some live in lavish mansions when so many live in squalor?
Its time to put an end to this insanity. Time to elect people who will put an end to social injustice and tyranny and raise a new flag of equality. A society where there are no rich and no poor; a society where all people are given the right to live like and where everyone else lives, without risk or responsibility for their condition.
Posted by: powerdrive | February 28, 2010, 3:37 am 3:37 am
JOHN MCAIN GET OVER IT YOU LOST. PICK YOURSELF UP AND HELP PRES. OBAMA PASS THE HEALTH BILL FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COUNTRY.
Posted by: RWARD | March 1, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Start Over? He is senile just like the rest of his party. The Republicans are lazy and arrogant. They sat on their butts for 8 years and did NOTHING and now they are scared to death that Obama will show them up, which he already has. I’m sick of this crap. I think Obama was smart to have this health care debate televised so we could see just how the Republicans work, OR NOT! Now we know. Come on Democrats, lets get to work and get this done and move on. Our country is in a mess because of these dead beats! Time to move on!
Posted by: Garland | March 1, 2010, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
I am very tired of hearing politicians say they work for the american public. I don’t believe that my interests are being addressed. I am not left or right, I am an American. An American that needs affordable healthcare, I can’t believe that the political system is still this prejudice that they refuse to work with the President America chose! Stop fighting and earn your paychecks.
Posted by: Shor Denny | March 3, 2010, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Another Coward!! The tax money belongs to the people and should be spent on the people to protect them and extend their lives. What he hell is more important. While we are at it we should have public financed campaigns so you and your compatriots do not have to do the bidding of your financial owners You then you will be able to render meritorious service and consequently your country by voting based on the truth. No Pay Off’s and phony logic to please your owners
Posted by: Patrick Henry | March 3, 2010, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
George, McCain is partially right. “Start Over” – and address the Fee for Service payment system that is contributing to the high cost of healthcare for Medicare and the private healthcare industry. Remember that both Medicare and the private healthcare industry use the same Healthcare Delivery system. By reducing Medicare costs you will also reduce the private cost. Now is the time to fix Medicare by changing to a Total Cost payment system. This would involve best practices for Real Estate management (facilities owned by the Medicare Program), Medical Services Management (Human resources – salary compensation, procurement of equipment / supplies, Patient Care), Electronic Medical Record Management (capturing records), and Patient Care Business Intelligence (community, regional, and national levels for quality of patient care and utilization review of patient care for determining best patient care treatments / wellness and cost of treatments). Once Medicare becomes cost efficient the private healthcare industry can also change to a Total Cost payment system which will then provide healthcare coverage (including pre-existing conditions) for all Americans.
Posted by: Marty | March 4, 2010, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
“Don’t do anything”. That’s the GOPer’s motto.
Posted by: hybridhealthcare | March 4, 2010, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
George, it is not uncommon in commercial business to “Start Over” on large initiatives. The first try has broad sweeping objectives that the stakeholders believe are needed. But, after trying to define the specific scope of the initiative it becomes apparent what is really needed and in some cases it may not be the driving reason for the initiative. Once stakeholders have a chance to dig into a subject it becomes apparent what is needed. Then there is the try it again phase with more specific objectives. Depending on the complexity of the initiative there may be another “Start Over” and try it again phase. Clearly healthcare is an extremely complex subject. There has been a call for healthcare reform for the last 5 decades and there have been multiple “Start Over” attempts. The latest attempt “Call to Action Healthcare Reform 2009” began with gathering stakeholders’ input on what is driving healthcare cost up and how to fix it. Basically, the healthcare recipient said I can’t afford healthcare premiums and there needs to be consumer protection for unfair denial of claims by insurance companies. Insurance companies point to wellness and fraud and abuse as areas for reducing healthcare cost. Healthcare providers point to limits on medical lawsuits and consolidation of insurance companies (resulting in monopolies in certain areas) as areas for reform. All stakeholders agree that the uninsured is a problem. The house and senate healthcare reform bills address these issues, but, still needs tweaking for final approval. The major issue is that the stakeholders (specifically Providers and Insurance companies) didn’t point out the issue that the Fee for Service payment system is driving healthcare cost up. Negotiations between Providers and Insurance companies to define the prices by services rendered (Hospital / Doctor rates) results in different prices for the same services for each Insurance company. For example, three patients are treated by the same Provider (Hospital / Doctor) with the same service (procedure code) and the Provider receives three different payment amounts. The cost to the Provider is the same. The lowest payment amount at least covers the Provider’s cost or the Provider would not have agreed to the negotiated price. The Fee for Service payment system needs to be replaced. The private healthcare industry is way to complex and needs more than just tweaking. Medicare has characteristics needed for a total cost model and with some tweaking can be changed from a Fee for Service payment system to a Total Cost payment system. The next “Start Over” and try it again phase should focus on replacing the Fee for Service payment system.
Posted by: Marty | March 5, 2010, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
1.food
2.clothing
3.shelter
4.job
5.job
6.job
We need to be put back to work
then ill think about health care.
Posted by: dalles | March 7, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
This is absolutely rediculous. Our country won’t get any better no matter what bill gets passed. Everyone is too worried about dissing each others political party, race, religion ect. to fix any problems that we have. I wish that more Americans would stand up and have a voice these days. Unfortunately it does seem that we are all pawns in this whole mess. We used to be the UNITED States of America…the states are connected but the American population is in no way shape or form UNITED. What happened to having an opinion of your own and still respecting others? There is no way that every single person in this country is going to be satisfied with every law, bill, decision made. I do strongly believe that if more people made their voices heard we might have a chance of saving our wonderful country from innevitable failure. I hope no one takes offense by anything I have said.
Posted by: Bbeck | March 16, 2010, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
McCain is so desperate he had to have that idiot Palin speak up on his behalf in his own state. Looks like the geezer is on his way out to pasture.
Posted by: Lori | March 29, 2010, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm