Mile Low: Energy on Other Side as New Realities Face Obama
By Rick Klein Now that the economy has been saved and all — how about the Senate? Hypocrisy is your watchword of the week from the White House. If the public isn’t supposed to quite love the stimulus, perhaps the public hate those who love to hate it. And from the politics of policy to the pure politics: President Obama gets to see first-hand how the map has morphed. On Thursday, the president’s bid to save the Democratic majority takes him to Colorado and Nevada, on behalf of incumbent senators who are battling perceptions of Washington as much as anything else. The view from Mile High was a bit more pleasant…. “Although Democrats are facing difficult prospects across the electoral map, nowhere has their light dimmed as quickly as in the Rocky Mountains and Southwest,” The Denver Post’s Michael Riley reports. “Rather than transforming the region into a Democratic stronghold, the quick disaffection with Democrats in Washington suggests that key states in the Intermountain West may emerge as more of a bellwether — like Ohio — where parties fight for fickle independent voters tooth and nail and the political mood can swing violently,” Riley writes. “There are also signs that the party's expansive agenda during the first year of the Obama administration was simply out of step with the views of many of the region's voters.” ABC’s Karen Travers: “Obama was able to redraw the electoral map in 2008, winning states that Democrats had not won in decades, but with his approval ratings hovering around 50 percent, there are questions about how and where Obama can be effective this year. The president is on a multi-state campaign losing streak right now. … Yet party officials say the midterms are a different story and that Obama will be active on the campaign trail this year and aggressively working for Democratic candidates where and when he can be helpful.” Politico’s Jonathan Martin and Ben Smith: “The electoral map candidate Barack Obama remade in 2008 appears to be retreating into its familiar patterns.” “The Western swing, an unusual effort so early in an election year to bolster a top party figure, begins with a fund raiser Thursday for Democratic Sen. Michael Bennet, who is running a tight race,” The Wall Street Journal’s Elizabeth Williamson and Naftali Bendavid report. “In Nevada, which has the second-highest jobless rate in the nation and the highest level of home-mortgage foreclosures, the president will headline a Democratic National Committee fund raiser Thursday evening. On Friday, flanked by [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid, he will hold a town-hall meeting and speak to business leaders.” E.J. Dionne Jr., keeping score: “If you want to be honest, face these facts: At this moment, President Obama is losing, Democrats are losing, and liberals are losing. Who's winning? Republicans, conservatives, the practitioners of obstruction, and the Tea Party.” Greeting (or not greeting) the president in Nevada: “Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman says he hasn't changed his mind: He won't meet with President Obama Thursday or Friday unless the president will ‘straighten the record out’ about what he said about people not spending money in Las Vegas,” the Las Vegas Sun’s Dave Toplikar reports. Republicans don’t have to travel as far to see some campaign energy: the Conservative Political Action Conference kicks off with Tea Party darling Marco Rubio, R-Fla., firing up the crowd first. Other big speakers on Thursday include former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass.; Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C.; House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio; and Dick Armey of FreedomWorks. As for that new energy: “On Thursday, when some 10,000 activists gather in Washington for this year’s conference, they will find themselves part of a conservative movement significantly different than it was during the Bush administration, or even in 2009,” Politico’s Kenneth P. Vogel reports. “A jolt of anti-Obama populist energy has upended the movement’s traditional hierarchy, lifting some new or previously low profile groups to unprecedented heights while leaving traditional powers struggling to adapt.”
Newt Gingrich, in a Washington Times op-ed: “The timing is perfect. This week, CPAC. Next week, President Obama has invited Republican leaders to a ‘bipartisan’ health summit that will be televised. There is no better time for the conservative movement to remind elected officials of the key values and principles that have made America great.” NPR’s Ron Elving: “A year ago the CPAC gathering was rather downbeat, stunned by the breadth and depth of the Democrats' national victories in 2008. But this year will be something else again. Conservatives are no longer prostrate in defeat. Quite the contrary: Their blood is up, stirred by both the actions and the troubles of the Obama administration.” This is the governing environment — featuring skirmishes on both sides, mistrust that’s rarely run deeper, and a campaign season that’s upon us already. New promises — House Minority Leader Boehner, in his speech Thursday to CPAC, taking on not just the Pelosi era but the Hastert one, per excerpts provided to The Note: “Ladies and gentlemen, if you help elect a Republican Congress this November, and I’m fortunate enough to be elected Speaker of the House, I pledge to you right here and now: we’re going to run the House differently. And I don’t just mean differently than the way Democrats are running it now. I mean differently than it’s been run in the past under Democrats OR Republicans,” Boehner plans to say. “One of my first orders of business will be to post every bill online for at least three days before a vote. … For too long – under Democrats and Republicans alike – Congress has been too closed and too insular. Both parties are guilty. I want to change it. I’ve wanted to change it for a long time. And now we have a chance to do it.” Karl Rove with a Tea Party prescription: “The tea party movement will be more effective than it otherwise would be if it refuses to allow itself to become an appendage of either major political party,” Rove writes in his Wall Street Journal column. ”Allowing third-party movements to co-opt the tea partiers' good name, which is happening in Nevada, will only serve to elect opponents of the tea party philosophy of low-taxes and fiscal restraint. It could also discredit the tea party movement.” The AP’s Liz Sidoti does some Palin prognosticating: “At a time when the distance between obscurity and celebrity is shrinking, the journey between celebrity and the White House may be growing shorter as well. That's why, no matter how unconventional she is, Palin can't be counted out as a credible 2012 competitor — even if it's difficult to see her path to the presidency.” George F. Will, with finality: “She is not going to be president and will not be the Republican nominee unless the party wants to lose at least 44 states.” Remember that Grover Norquist doesn’t like when you don’t sign… “Is Palin running for president? The answer is no. She could have spoken to 10,000 people, but instead she chose to speak to 600 and get paid $100,000. That’s being a spokesperson and making a living, not running for president,” Norquist told Newsweek’s Eve Conant. Peter Beinart, in the new Time, with prescriptions for fixing Washington: “First, more New Hampshires… If every state took New Hampshire's example to heart — and allowed independents to vote not only in presidential primaries but in congressional ones as well … more moderate candidates win, but the same candidates would stake out more-moderate positions, the result of which might be something of a bipartisan rebirth. … Second, more Crossfires… Third, more Ross Perots.” Democrats, meanwhile, continue to rally their troops behind the stimulus — and against Republicans who like it more in their districts than they ever did on the House or Senate floor. Organizing for America goes video with the graph Democrats are trying to turn into a Twitter trend: “The economy is beginning to grow,” the on-screen text reads. “Mr. Obama’s appearance [Wednesday] was part of an intense sales pitch by the White House to convince Americans of the virtues of the stimulus bill, which has become a kind of political albatross for Democrats as they head into this year’s midterm elections,” Sheryl Gay Stolberg writes in The New York Times. “White House officials concede that they have made mistakes in framing the public discussion of the measure; many Americans, for example, confuse the stimulus bill with Wall Street bailouts.” Thinking about what’s next: “The Obama administration is acknowledging that its program of spending cuts and tax breaks has yet to ease joblessness, and White House officials are increasingly engaged in shaping the details of new legislation to boost job creation,” The Washington Post’s Neil Irwin, Lori Montgomery and Alec MacGillis report. President Obama: “So it doesn't yet feel like much of a recovery. And I understand that.” Vice President Joe Biden: “Truly, the best is yet to come.” Austan Goolsbee, of the Council of Economic Advisers, on ABC’s “Top Line” Wednesday: “The first couple of quarters of this year is when it’s going into its peak impact on the economy.”
That other end of accountability: “A new report obtained by ABC News says a $5 billion weatherization program that was meant to save energy and create jobs has not yet done much of either,” ABC’s Jonathan Karl reports. “As of December 31, only 9,100 homes had been weatherized nationwide, according to the new report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to be released Thursday. The Department of Energy, which runs the program, says it actually weatherized more than 22,000 homes last year with Recovery Act funds. Either way, it's a far cry from the 593,000 they plan to complete over the course of the Recovery Act.” Time’s Stephen Gandel, with a report card: “What makes the bill's success hard to judge is that it was oversold.” The stimulus jobs claims gets a “mostly true” from Politifact’s Robert Farley and Louis Jacobson: “Obama has cherry-picked the highest number of the most favorable estimates. For him to be right about 2 million jobs having been created or saved would mean using the highest end of the administration's own range, or the highest end of the CBO's range. Indeed, leaving the CEA's analysis out of it and looking only at the independent estimates, you get an average of 1.38 million jobs created or saved, which is about 30 percent lower than the president's 2 million-job-benchmark. However, if you fast-forward the employment estimates by one quarter — to the first quarter of 2010 — the numbers creep closer to what Obama and other Democrats are suggesting.” The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee with some good news Thursday: Party officials are announcing that they raised $5.1 million last month, the DSCC’s biggest month of the cycle, and biggest January haul ever. DSCC spokesman Eric Schultz: "Our supporters are driven to get involved when they see the other party standing with the corporate interests on any given issue. Despite momentum on the other side, our committee and our candidates are raising strong amounts — and will be well positioned to face any headwinds in November."
The president on Thursday signs the executive order creating the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, and meets with its co-chairs, Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson. Will this be their high point? “The obstacle has been political: The public doesn't want the spending cut or taxes raised, so politicians do neither,” McClatchy’s David Lightman and William Douglas report. “That's the Catch-22 overshadowing Obama's commission, experts said Wednesday: To matter, its recommendations must win support from both political parties and, ultimately, Congress.” The scary part: “Economic forecasters say future generations of Americans could have a substantially lower standard of living than their predecessors' for the first time in the country's history if the debt is not brought under control,” ABC’s Devin Dwyer reports. “But public dissatisfaction has not proven enough to compel members of Congress or current and previous Administrations to set aside their partisan differences to achieve a balanced budget. Most Republicans don't want to raise taxes; most Democrats don't want to cut spending. The result is a stalemate on how to put America back in the black.” Looking toward next week — if there’s something to look forward to. “U.S. House Democrats said their party may not be able to present a single health-care proposal at a Feb. 25 meeting that President Barack Obama has called with a challenge to Republicans to present their alternative,” Bloomberg’s James Rowley reports. “Obama has promised to ‘post online the text of a proposed health-insurance package’ in advance of the televised meeting.” A first GOP RSVP: “GOP Senator Mike Enzi has formally notified the White House that he’s accepted the invitation to attend next week’s health care summit, becoming the first GOP leader to do so and possibly upping pressure on other GOP leaders to make their plans to attend official,” The Plum Line’s Greg Sargent reports. Nuclear reverberations: “The early optimism of environmental advocates that the policies of former President George W. Bush would be quickly swept away and replaced by a bright green future under Mr. Obama is for many environmentalists giving way to resignation, and in some cases, anger,” John M. Broder reports in The New York Times. In New York: The New Republic’s Jonathan Chait, on Harold Ford, potential candidate: “The notion that Democratic primary voters in New York will embrace Ford may be more fantastical than the wildest investment scheme that predated the crash. Harold — don’t call me. We’ll call you.”
The Kicker: “I think the President would love to, just maybe not Colbert.” — White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, committing his boss to Jon Stewart, but not necessarily Stephen Colbert.
“Everybody here back home is excited about this…. And Stephen Colbert at least is excited about his treadmill.” — President Obama, in a call with astronauts, after Colbert’s viewers won a contest to name a new space treadmill after Colbert.
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Someone has to pay back that gigantic debt from the stimulus. Until that is reckoned, I’m not sure you can say the economy has been saved. Lets see, 3 million lost jobs since Obama won election. If thats saving the economy, then someone has some twisted logic.
Posted by: Jeff | February 18, 2010, 8:04 am 8:04 am
If you have to go out and sell the idea
that things are better, then they are
not better. People believe what they
feel and things are NOT better.
Posted by: wis134 | February 18, 2010, 8:33 am 8:33 am
It’s a win-win for Obama…if America survives his out of control spending, he’ll proclaim victory as a patriot. If it ends up trashing America, oh well, he didn’t like the US much anyway…
Posted by: LongT | February 18, 2010, 9:15 am 9:15 am
The democrats better be passing a public option through reconciliation on health care if they want to get back in front. They have turn their backs on the people who put them in office to try and please those who would throw them out. Not a good thing.
Posted by: rightbehind | February 18, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Ah yes, the hypocrisy of the White House, is becoming very evident.
Everyone is now waiting impatiently for November.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | February 18, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Never underestimate that power of a presidential visit. Obama still packs a punch that could wake up campaigns like Bennett and Reid.
Posted by: matt | February 18, 2010, 9:48 am 9:48 am
right behind wow i don’t know who’s worst you or the politicians we don’t want a public option have you realized that yet or do you live under a rock?
Posted by: natale from mass. | February 18, 2010, 9:49 am 9:49 am
keep on dreaming matt
Posted by: natale from mass. | February 18, 2010, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Yes there is obviously not going to be a public option, it is long since dead. And obviously the democrats are going to lose a lot of seats. The majority having been “emailing”, “texting”, “tweeting”, their opinions to this administration for quite some time. But their arrogance prevents them from absorbing the message. Surely they must be thinking we are all stupid children who just need a mother’s firm guidance.
Posted by: jonny | February 18, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
The BIG Picture
While most of us are engrossed in the daily political topics, the President has been diffusing GOP’s key issues.
1. National Security (this is where the President currently has the highest approval rating)
2. Nuclear Power (this is being pushed in conjunction with renewal energy sources)
3. Deficit Reduction (today’s commission)
Basically, the big picture is that the GOP is left with whinning/running around in circles. They have two options: 1. continue rightward and move to the fringe or 2. Move to the center and focus on domestic issues (the DEM territory).
Economy and Jobs are the major domestic issues and both are logically connected to healthcare reform. Small business cannot afford the continuous increase in insurance premiums. The American worker benefits with focus on Economy, Jobs and Healthcare.
As written in Sun Tzu’s Art of War, the war is won before it even began.
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 10:14 am 10:14 am
New wave you haven’t been listening:
Actually all the republicans will need to do is have the democrats vote on these. The democrats will all vote against all three isssues, but particularly, national security issues and nuclear power.
The republicans will be on Obama’s side.
The biggest strategic enemy Obama has is his own party. He can only win that war by siding with the republicans.
Obama already suffered a huge defeat on healthcare. And he has a track record of ignoring job creation for a whole year, while the republicans continuously brought it up as their number one issue.
Glad you are not my general!
Posted by: jonny | February 18, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Jonny: Could you remind us of the new job creation ideas the GOP pushed for last year?
We tried tax cuts for over 6 years and we all know where that got us.
How about GOP Senators and Reps writing letters for part of the Stimulus funds to be sent to their district to , in their own words “create jobs” ?
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
I’m not saying the republicans had any useful ideas( I’m sure there were some beyond just tax cuts) , but at least they were focused on the right thing.
But the larger point is that for 1 year the republicans couldn’t do a thing for or against. The democrats in congress did zilch. And this new strategy will get destroyed by the congressional democrats, not the republicans.
Posted by: jonny | February 18, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am
New Wave; Why are you obsessed with Republican Senators soliciting stimulus funds for their home states? DUH! That’s what senators do. The money’s been appropriated for stimulating the UNITED STATES economy. Don’t the red states qualify as part of the US?
Posted by: gollywiggle | February 18, 2010, 10:41 am 10:41 am
The liar in cheif is campaigning again? Maybe the crook dumBO should be at the White House trying to figure out how to get back the porkulus money he has doled out to unions and government employees to lower the deficit.
Posted by: Todd | February 18, 2010, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Many Americans or at least many Democratic leaders DON’T understand the difference between bailout money and stimulus money. Maybe I can help. In laymen’s terms, the stimulus money is taxpayer debt that has been appropriated to be spent on creating jobs and encouraging trade. The bailout money is a taxpayer loan to financial institutions and auto mfrs. which is to be repaid to the taxpayers. The taxpayers borrowed the money to bail out the corporations. This administration doesn’t want the money coming back to be applied to our debt account. Instead our president favors spending the bailout repayments on his personal wants without any congressional approval. He wants to use it as if it is part of the economic stimulus money. It’s not. It should be used to start paying down the national debt. He still has half a trillion dollars of economic stimulus money at his disposal.
Posted by: gollywiggle | February 18, 2010, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Hmmmm – I think if I was a Democratic candidate fighting for my political life, I’d ask Obama to stay home. His backing is toxic – the Olympic bid, Virginia governor race and MA senate race come to mind.
Posted by: BeenThere | February 18, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am
“White House officials concede that they have made mistakes in framing the public discussion of the measure; many Americans, for example, confuse the stimulus bill with Wall Street bailouts.”
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It is truly amazing how many spins they have used to convince people that the government is being responsible. STOP SPENDING!!! Then you will get our attention.
Obama signed the executive order for fiscal responsibility and reform AFTER he signs to raise the debt limit to over 14 trillion. He said he will have 4 personally picked people, Dems will have 6, and Rep will have 6.
Are these 4 people going to be counted as jobs created or saved? Why is he choosing?
More committees, more spending.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | February 18, 2010, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Posted by: gollywiggle | Feb 18, 2010 10:50:47 AM
Well said. I think you need to send this to the Democratic Party (Obama included) so THEY understand it.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | February 18, 2010, 11:21 am 11:21 am
“If the public isn’t supposed to quite love the stimulus, perhaps the public hate those who love to hate it.” Rick, were you high when you wrote that tripe? We “don’t quite love” getting ripped off, dude. The real story is TARP was the tip of a nearly $30 trillion dollar iceberg of bailouts, zero interest loans, and ‘liquidity’ we can never hope to repay. $3.5 trillion in federal debt must be refinanced this year alone or the nation will default. Imagine for a moment what that will do to the US dollar and what’s left of our economy.
Posted by: h5mind | February 18, 2010, 11:28 am 11:28 am
If the public option is not included in health care reform and legislation we will all watch our costs escalate and the tea party people might even clamour for it in the future. Of course the OLD tea party members have social security and medicare and they don’t care about the rest of the public including their children and grandchildren. I am on medicare and social security and advocate for single payer for ALL
Posted by: Gail Lehmann | February 18, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am
“Why are you obsessed with Republican Senators soliciting stimulus funds for DUH! That’s what senators do. The money’s been appropriated for stimulating the UNITED STATES economy. Don’t the red states qualify as part of the US? ” – gollywiggle
So you admit that the Stimulus bill helped the USA get out of the recession? That’s good to hear. Please remember to inform you cohorts, who keep repeating the GOP talking points on the stimulus not working.
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 11:55 am 11:55 am
New Wave; Please pay attention to what I say, not to what you want to hear. I didn’t say the economic stimulus funds have helped anything. In fact I don’t see much happening with economic recovery or jobs. The money was given away to the interests of the Democratic Party with nothing to show for it except bought votes and support. By the way, the stock market has recovered because of gamblers not sound investors. There’s no basis for the recovery. Stock dividends are skinny or nonexistent. Most businesses are down to skeleton crews and have no plans to hire. The unemployment numbers are presently down from where they were because so many jobs have already been lost. Businesses are just trying to survive right now but more will fail and more jobs will be lost by people who won’t be able to find work elsewhere. The credit card industry will soon need to be bailed out and since the small banks are invested heavily in the credit card money pool they too will need to be saved. Home foreclosures haven’t leveled off. In fact they’re escalating as people’s reserve resources are exhausted due to unemployment. Commercial property foreclosures are about to present another major challenge to the financial industry. If you call that picture recovered from the recession then you’re completely out of touch with reality.
Posted by: gollywiggle | February 18, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Well said golllywiggle.
Posted by: War919 | February 18, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
New Wave; Please don’t associate me with the GOP. My association with the GOP is only in your imagination. I am a party unaffiliated fiscal conservative. I acknowledge the existence of liberal thinkers and respect their points of view. I do happen to think they’re mostly wrong. As for healthcare reform I feel the only practical way to ensure the masses is to nationalize healthcare. I’m not advocating such by saying that’s the only practical way because as mean spirited as it may seem, I don’t think ensurng the masses is the government’s job. In other words the cure is worse than the ailment.
Posted by: gollywiggle | February 18, 2010, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Jeff wrote: “Lets see, 3 million lost jobs since Obama won election. If thats saving the economy, then someone has some twisted logic.”
Jeff, many others and I said in the Fall of 2008 that no matter who was elected president, it would be a difficult thing to pull the country out of the deep pit it was in.
For you to have expected that Obama would instantly turn things around and convince investors to invest money in companies and people to stop saving and spend their money means you either thought he had supernatural powers or you’re not giving the previous decade it’s due for putting us in this hole.
Posted by: The_Mick | February 18, 2010, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
The reality is that we have 2 major political parties. As far as the average American is concerned, there is no proposal from the GOP to make our lives better.
I’ll prefer a 3rd party to put DEM and GOP on their toes and help them remember to work for the good of the people.
So far, pragmatic ideas that help the people come from the DEMs. Some may need to be refined. But nothing has come from the GOP other than protecting corporate wealth and servitude of the people.
That’s the reality of the choice we have at this time.
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
I asked this question in connection with the Tea Party convention.
I ask again: Does the CPAC convention audience represent the demographic make up of the USA?
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
new wave ,
How about this GOP idea. Telling the democrats not to spend our children’s money to support their parents ideas of what their parents “deserve”.
Nothing wrong with getting democrats to be less selfish.
Posted by: jonny | February 18, 2010, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
jonny: Are you referring to the money for the Medicare Prescription bill that was passed and unpaid for 5 years back.
Or money spent on the fraudulent war in Iraq?
If your are referring to Medicare and Social Sec, why don’t the GOP publicly push to kill the programs.
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I’m talking about Obama’s plan to take over almost 20% of the US economy. What you talk about is small potatoes.
Posted by: jonny | February 18, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
what is the plan to takeover 20% of the US economy? Or have you started making up stories?
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
what is the plan to takeover 20% of the US economy? Or have you started making up stories?
Isn’t strange that you refer to over $2 trillion spending as ‘small potatoes’? That’s a lot more than last year’s deficit.
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
If your are referring to Medicare and Social Sec, why don’t the GOP publicly push to kill the programs.
Posted by: New Wave
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Medicare and Social Security have been PAID for by the people that are now using them. If government had kept their hands off the money that has been put in, there would be no problem with it. But, they just couldn’t stand seeing actual CASH just sitting there, so they wasted it also. And now, YOU want to blame the elderly. It is THEIR MONEY.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | February 18, 2010, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
wheresmymoney and jonny: both of you are running around with your usual circular debate. You are complaining about spending and in the same breath state that over $2 trillion spending is ‘small potatoes’.
What gives?
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Marco Rubio, the favorite to win the GOP nomination for U.S. Senate in Florida, mocks President Obama’s use of TelePrompters…while standing in front of a TelePrompter of his own.
Hypocrisy on Steroids. GOP = Hypocrite party. We all know what our Lord said about hypocrites in the Bible.
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
wheresmymoney and jonny: both of you are running around with your usual circular debate. Posted by New Wave
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Once again, the people have already paid for Medicare and SS. You are doing nothing more than spinning lies. Tip sheet from ACORN?
Posted by: wheresmymoney | February 18, 2010, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Why am I not surprised?
When facts go against a right wingnut, they fall back on words like ACORN, Socialist, Radical etc.
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
When facts go against a right wingnut, they fall back on words like ACORN, Socialist, Radical etc.
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You have posted no facts, only combative responses that say nothing, but show how brainwashed you are.
My favorite example:
“Hypocrisy on Steroids. GOP = Hypocrite party. We all know what our Lord said about hypocrites in the Bible.”
Posted by: wheresmymoney | February 18, 2010, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
wheresmymoney: we understand your strategy of selective amnesia. If you make any effort to read my previous posts you won’t just select a line where I showed how laughable the the GOP gross hyprocrisy looks.
One can force a camel to the water but cannot force the camel to drink water.
BTW we are still waiting for GOP to commit to posting their alternative healthcare reform bill online 72 hours before the healthcare summit as the President would do. Can you guys handle that? Time to Man Up!
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
BTW we are still waiting for GOP to commit to posting their alternative healthcare reform bill online 72 hours before the healthcare summit as the President would do. Can you guys handle that? Time to Man Up!
Posted by: New Wave
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How funny! The Dems have already told their boss they probably won’t have a healthcare reform ready, because they can’t agree on what should be in it. Don’t want to talk about that?
BTW, please don’t put me in any group. I look at each item and make up my mind ALL BY MYSELF.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | February 18, 2010, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
ya right…yawn…zzzzzzzzzzz…
Posted by: New Wave | February 18, 2010, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
“jonny”; Since you’re not ‘really good’ with numbers (suggesting H/C costs represents 20% of the annual budget) Why not just say it’s 50% of the budget. Reality is it’s about 16%, which is so much closer to 15%……. right?
Posted by: bobj72 | February 18, 2010, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm