By Matt Loffman

Feb 4, 2010 10:30am

Obama Calls For More Civility in Politics: ‘Something’s Broken’

From Sunlen Miller:


While calling for more civility in politics, President Obama today likened Washington to the “Tower of Babel” – a place where sometimes the sound of God’s voice is lost.


“There is a sense that something is different now, that something’s broken, that those of us in Washington are not serving the people as well as we should. At times it seems like we’re unable to listen to one another, to have at once a serious and civil debate.”


Speaking at the annual National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C. the president said this “erosion of civility” sows division and distrust.


“It poisons the well of public opinion.  It leaves each side little room to negotiate with the other. It makes politics an all-or-nothing sport where one side is either always right or always wrong, when, in reality, neither side has a monopoly on truth.”


Before a packed ballroom Obama said that the city needs to find their way back toward civility and he cautioned that this in many cases begins with stepping outside comfort zones to bridge divisions.

“Stretching out of our dogmas, our prescribed roles along the political spectrum that can help us regain a sense of civility,” Obama said giving examples, “We see that in many conservative pastors who are helping lead the way to fix our broken immigration. It’s not what would be expected from them, and yet they recognize in those immigrant families the face of God. We see it in the increasing recognition among progressives that government can’t solve all of our problems talking about values like responsible fatherhood and healthy marriage is integral to any anti-poverty agenda.”


Mr. Obama said many in the room disagree over gay marriage – but they can all agree “that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are, whether it’s here in the United States or….more extremely in odious laws that are being proposed most recently in Uganda.”


The president said that progress does not come when we “demonize opponents,” or challenge each other’s motives.


“Surely you can question my policies without questioning my faith or, for that matter, my citizenship,” the president said to laughter in the room, a not-so-subtle joke at the birther movement.


The president said that rightly or wrongly most people are inclined to lean on faith in times of need – and mentioned the tragedy of Haiti’s earthquake.


“God’s mercy seemed far away from our neighbors in Haiti.  And yet I believe that grace was not absent in the midst of tragedy.  It was heard in prayers and hymns that broke the silence of an earthquake’s wake.  It was witnessed among parishioners of churches that stood no more, a roadside congregation holding Bibles in their laps.  It was felt in the presence of relief workers and medics, translators, servicemen and -women bringing food and water and aid to the injured.”


Mr. Obama said that as a man and as the president he lets faith guide him and inform him.


“I assure you, I’m praying a lot these days.”


The First Lady joined the president for his remarks – as well as Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Clinton, Sens. Orrin Hatch, Ron Wyden, Johnny Isakson and Amy Klobuchar; Rep. Charlie Wilson, Todd Akin, and Tim Tebow at the head table.


-Sunlen Miller

User Comments

Does that mean he and his minions in his administration and the press will stop equating all opposition to Obama as being Racist??

Posted by: MSNBC: The Tingle is Gone | February 4, 2010, 10:33 am 10:33 am

“We see that in many conservative pastors who are helping lead the way to fix our broken immigration. It’s not what would be expected from them”
——–
Why not? Compassion and charity are Christian virtues. Why would they not be expected to help?
I think that’s part of the disconnect that’s happening between this administration and the citizenry. They want civility, but they insist on maintaining archaic worst case stereotypes. People don’t like to be pigeon-holed, and they also don’t like to be told what it is they are thinking when that conclusion had nothing to do with their thought process.
If the administration would listen, rather than assuming they know better, they might hear what is being said, take it at face value, and quite possibly find a way to work with each other to the benefit of the country.

Posted by: Jen B. | February 4, 2010, 10:39 am 10:39 am

O…M…G! Obama is the basher in chief of anyone who does not agree with him! He needs to lead by refraining from trashing and whining about every idea any repub has.

Posted by: norak | February 4, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Tell Rahm. And stop making comments about Las Vegas.

Posted by: Any day now | February 4, 2010, 10:50 am 10:50 am

A lot of stupid things have been said by both parties democrats and republicans. What is clear is that no one cares about the public. Obama is corrrect…to get things done, we must work together. That does not mean you have to give up your principals. Both parties have principals but there ARE things which could be accomplished without that. There is so much hurt out there, it only adds to the hurt when one party or another is stubborn. Obama has held out his hand twice…it is time for the republicans to take hold and get something done. I know basically they agree on many things but to be so politically stubborn is wrong for the country. I hope some of you understand this finally.

Posted by: talmag | February 4, 2010, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Obama preaches civility in politics while he uses a prayer breakfast to get in petty little digs at anyone that has dared to insult him.
For some strange and rediculous reason Obama felt the need to say this at the breakfast:
“You can disagree with me w/out questioning my citizenship”.
Notice how every speech always gets around to being about him?

Posted by: phillip | February 4, 2010, 10:59 am 10:59 am

The only thing broke is obama and his policies and how dare he use faith and prayer when he has lied to the american people on a regular basis!

Posted by: Stanley | February 4, 2010, 10:59 am 10:59 am

This is so like Obama..all he wants are YES people. He is the BiGGEST obstructionist to hit DC…nothing but a snakeoil salesman with the MSN doing his dirty work

Posted by: another crisis, another photo op | February 4, 2010, 11:00 am 11:00 am

The US to hit debt ceiling by the end off February.
No wonder Obama is praying a lot–for grand agenda to survive.

Posted by: mick | February 4, 2010, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Asking for civility as Obama uses every speech or townhall to mock the opposition.
His SOTU was one big rant from the pulpit meant to embarrass anyone that stands in his way.
He started off his presidency with: I won. I’m the president.
And has said opponents should shut up and get out of the way.
Obama pretends to be above the fray but he is leading it.

Posted by: ollie | February 4, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Poor Obama.
Always a victim.

Posted by: kyle | February 4, 2010, 11:10 am 11:10 am

What’s next? Are we going to start hearing how he privitely clings to his bible and guns and drives a truck on the White House lawn in the middle of the night? This from the guy who told his supporters to “get in the face” of those who weren’t going to vote for him? The man has no shame. No one is buying his schtick anymore. A lot of us never did.

Posted by: jennifert7 | February 4, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am

That’s what happens, when members of Congress, become more concerned about serving the political machine, than they are concerned about serving the people.
That’s why we can no longer have a 2 party system, where power is won by the party, and not the candidate.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | February 4, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Something is broken?? How about the real word BROKE!! When a substantial amount of the federal budget is supported by loans. What is it somewhere around 40%?? The politicians need to have at least a 30% pay cut, Pelosi’s luxury liner needs to be grounded, balance the budget now, everyone needs to suck it in and do with a little (or regarding the politicians a lot)less. I see restaurants that give a discount for uniformed military, or senior citizens and am surprised that they do not offer a 30% surcharge for federal employees.

Posted by: LibertinTexas | February 4, 2010, 11:18 am 11:18 am

A speech about faith and prayer.
How many times did he say “I” or “me” this time.
Obama’s ambition and drive for power surfaces in every speech.

Posted by: millie | February 4, 2010, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Obama should pray for humility.
Maybe stop sticking his nose in the air and looking down at people.
God’s done a number on Obama’s arrogance–it’s been fun to watch.
But I don’t think Obama is getting the message yet.

Posted by: fran | February 4, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am

and I assume he is the GOD and he voice is lost…what an ego this guy has!!!!!!

Posted by: frieda | February 4, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Is this the same guy who blames the Bush administration for all his problems ?

Posted by: Ron | February 4, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am

The man used this event to talk about himself? I’d like to say I can’t believe he did, but nothing this narcissist does shocks me anymore.

Posted by: jennifert7 | February 4, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am

What a surprise.
BO turned the Prayer Breakfast into a political campaign to help his faltering presidency.
What hasn’t Obama used to get ahead politically? He used his own church.
He’s a sorry fellow.

Posted by: hank | February 4, 2010, 11:26 am 11:26 am

The vast majority of Americans are good and decent people. They work hard, pay their taxes, are responsible and can exchange ideas and opinions in a civil way. DC does not operate that way. Political war is going on which is stifling positive action to fix the major problems of the day. The country can’t afford this kind of nonsense any more. Those in DC, particularly GOPers, aren’t statesmen – they’re political operators. They seem like mean-spirited, divisive, political game players. They’re all about jockeying for a political advantage. It’s no wonder the public mood is so anti-incumbent.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | February 4, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Millions out of work, losing their homes–and Obama thinks it’s OK to spend $2.5Million on a Census ad!
That’s a sinful waste of taxpayer money.
How can anyone justify wasting money on that in a recession.
It’s infuriating.

Posted by: hank | February 4, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am

“While calling for more civility in politics, President Obama today likened Washington to the “Tower of Babel” – a place where sometimes the sound of God’s voice is lost.”
I think he’s more concerned with the sound of his own voice. Unless he believes that they are one and the same

Posted by: Clovis | February 4, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Careful Obama–God is listening.
Your lies won’t work on Him.

Posted by: larry | February 4, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Obama has held out his hand twice…it is time for the republicans to take hold and get something done.
Posted by: talmag | Feb 4, 2010 10:52:57 AM
I guess you missed him addressing the Democrats.
He says let’s all put our disagreements aside one day and the next day he trashes the other side. Depends on to whom he’s addressing. He’s completely insincere.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Saturday Night! | February 4, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am

“Obama urged Democrats and Republicans to not question one another’s motives and to make an effort to move beyond the cynicism and skepticism that has weighed down the politics of Washington, saying: ‘Civility is not a sign of weakness.’”
Duh ! This is equivalent to an invading army calling for civility from their victims in the face of the invader’s own vicious attack.
Finally feeling the seething rage of the Massachusetts Massacre, of course Obama would call for civility, inappropriately appealing to our better nature in the onslaught of his and his party’s socialist attack on America’s most fundamental value – freedom – in an effort to quell the rising tide against their Social Democrat agenda.
Any such appeal by this attacker on our freedom is severely misplaced, because we are not friends seeking comity in routine matters. We are mortal enemies fighting over the issue of who rules America, free individual citizens or an ever bigger social democratic state. Obama will be fortunate indeed if incivility is the worst thing facing his invasion.

Posted by: RUKidding | February 4, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Here’s a brief review of the posts about President Obama’s call for civility: “narcissist, user, assumes he is GOD, arrogant, should pray for humility, no shame, sinful, snakeoil salesman, petty, Basher in Chief, archaic.”
Where is the benefit to our country with such nasty comments, such vitriol? Here’s a President who says our nation needs to pull together. He says progress does not come when we “demonize”. And the response here? More nasty comments with ZERO suggestions about how to work together. Just more spit and Holier-Than-Thou.
Seriously, I think we are seeing a full court press – critics of this administration are doing whatever they can to create hatred, chaos, division, and disruption – REGARDLESS of the damage to our nation. And many actually define themselves as “Christian”.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Obama asking for civility is almost as funny as him asking for fiscal responsibility–while presenting a $3T budget.

Posted by: kyle | February 4, 2010, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

I guess from going to Reverend Wright’s church in Chicago he learned those values,wait a minute he wasn’t listening to him for 20 years,so he said.

Posted by: Johnny L | February 4, 2010, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

What a bunch of lies and liars. Especially Ollie. Please show us where President Obama said what you attribute to him. You can’t.
Just a bunch of petty people that cannot take blame for what they have done to this country. Blame everyone else but not yourselves.
You had your twelve years and you economically bankrupted the country during a time of war. You are traitors to America, not Americans.
This is one veteran that hopes you get the civil war they are agitating for. Hang every one of you since we won’t shoot you in the back.

Posted by: Steve | February 4, 2010, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Posted by: RUKidding | Feb 4, 2010 11:57:18 AM posted : “This is equivalent to an invading army calling for civility from their victims in the face of the invader’s own vicious attack.” Get real. “Vicious socialist attack?” “Any such appeal by this attacker on our freedom is severely misplaced, because we are not friends”?
You know, we may not all be “friends”, but we are all in the soup together. Doing nothing for the next three years is not helpful.
In the state where I live, we recently voted to increase taxes. We previously had a flat tax rate for businesses, regardless of size – ten bucks since the 1930s. Our schools needed more funding, so our citizens decided it was time for a change. No “mortal enemies”, no “bigger social democratic state” hysteria or fear.
It was NOT something everyone wanted, and we certainly wish a Recession had not forced us to increase taxes, but in a very civil way, we decided.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

“We are mortal enemies fighting over the issue of who rules America, free individual citizens or an ever bigger social democratic state”
He should expect little civility from enraged corporate peon drama queens farcically claiming to represent the interests of “free individual citizens”.

Posted by: Skip | February 4, 2010, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

He says we shouldn’t question his faith, or his citizeship. He could easily stop the questions on the latter. He has only to permit the release of a copy of his Long-form birth certificate, you know, the one with the doctor’s signature and the little foot prints. Whatever could be the reason for not releasing such an innoculous document?

Posted by: csbd | February 4, 2010, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Seriously, I think we are seeing a full court press – critics of this administration are doing whatever they can to create hatred, chaos, division, and disruption – REGARDLESS of the damage to our nation. And many actually define themselves as “Christian”.
Posted by: CenterOne | Feb 4, 2010 11:59:24 AM
Since y’all love to compare Obama to Bush, how about the hatred spewed during the past decade? Oh that’s right. It was ok because everyone knows he deserved it.
When Rahm stops using the F word, I’ll stop labeling Obama and his goons.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Saturday Night! | February 4, 2010, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

You know, we may not all be “friends”, but we are all in the soup together.
Barry’s in the soup? Pelosi, Geithner, Goldman Sachs, Al Gore, GM, Fannie and Freddie too? Yeah, order up!

Posted by: 2nd Course | February 4, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Did he scratch his nose with his middle finger this time? Or did he mention how females like Hillary get ‘periodically’ moody? Or did he make any mentions of lipsticks on a pig? Hmmm mmm mmm.

Posted by: Manu | February 4, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Steve | Feb 4, 2010 12:13:36 PM posted: “This is one veteran that hopes you get the civil war they are agitating for”.
Steve, my Dad was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. He has seen all sorts of nutters come and go from politics in his 89 years. But he disagrees with your position that conservatives are traitors and liars – actually, he doesn’t think much of most politicians, but looks back to an era when Americans pulled together.
I know bigoted, ugly comments can fire up anger, however, responding with talk of hangings isn’t a logical path to cooperation. Oh, and thanks for your service. My dad flew P38s.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

The remark is another spin on “Don’t disagree with me”
But not to worry. He can pack the Supreme court this year with 2 more of his ultra liberals.

Posted by: LGV | February 4, 2010, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

To President Obama: Let the civility begin with you.
Saying we need it will only be effective if you begin to practice it.

Posted by: mfree | February 4, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

“Live! From DC! It’s Saturday Night!” | Feb 4, 2010 12:28 posted “Since y’all love to compare Obama to Bush, how about the hatred spewed during the past decade?”
Who is “y’all”? There is a perfect example of the defeating division of THEM vs US. When does it stop? Of course, people will always have different political viewpoints. Of course, people belong to different religious denominations. Of course there will be disagreements.
And, of course we don’t need to approve of politicians who use “the F word”, any more than we approve of politicians who lie and cheat on their wives.
But to simply refuse to budge, sling mud and vitriol, and hope for failure? Is that the patriotic, Christian way to help our nation recover from the worst Recession in decades?

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

I could not agree more with OBama. I am interested to see if this will become one of his many initatives and if he will actually lead by example. Perhaps if he would spend the day at the office, realizing how lucky he is to have an office to go to is in this economy, rolling up his sleeves and working for the American people he could institute some real change we can believe in…

Posted by: tabitha elliott | February 4, 2010, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

It’s really sad that this country is full of such hateful people. Seems like you “Holier than thou” are the most hateful! You should read your Bible more often.

Posted by: bobcat | February 4, 2010, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

mfree | Feb 4, 2010 12:53:03 PM posted “Saying we need it will only be effective if you begin to practice it.”
I’m curious. What did you perceive in the President’s prayer breakfast message that was “uncivil”?

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

I am interested to see if this will become one of his many initatives and if he will actually lead by example.
Lead by example? Hysterical…Don’t go to Vegas, Barry need your money.

Posted by: Hand it over | February 4, 2010, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

pay to play from Wall St to Republicans..
a clear quid pro quo
‘Mr. Boehner told Mr. Dimon congressional Republicans had stood up to Mr. Obama’s efforts to curb pay and impose new regulations. The Republican leader also said he was disappointed many on Wall Street continue to donate their money to Democrats,….’

Posted by: Oh Say, Can You See? | February 4, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

This corrupt administration is broken and has no problem governing “against” the will of the people of America.

Posted by: THINK ABOUT IT! | February 4, 2010, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

…I’ll take my “discussion” to facebook where there’s less ignorance, and a civil conversation happens.

Posted by: sara | February 4, 2010, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

2nd Course | Feb 4, 2010 12:30:24 PM posted: “Barry’s in the soup? Pelosi, Geithner, Goldman Sachs, Al Gore, GM, Fannie and Freddie too? Yeah, order up!”
Sorry, maybe you were not aware that this country is currently in its largest economic downturn since the Great Depression. That means ALL of us. And it officially began in 2007, before “Barry’s” term even started.
This means there is a deep history of problems far beyond Pelosi and Geithner. Far beyond Republican and Democrat.
Just look back at the millions of dollars that poured into campaign coffers of senators and congressmen to repeal the Glass-Steagall act – Lobbyists for the insurance companies, for the investment banks, for the commercial banks, all pulling for their own parochial interests.
Any meanwhile, while financial institutions grew “too big to fail”, the very people who created this global economic collapse are delighted that conservatives and progressives cannot find a way to work together for repairs. They promote this division !
And so do we. Every time a poster slings mud, every time we allow our elected officials to remain entrenched in politics, every time there is no effort to change on OUR BEHALF – it perpetuates a massive imbalance of wealth and power, damaging our country’s security and our children’s future in a global economy.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

I am 73 years old and have never seen the hate that is going around since President Obama took office. We all have principals and yet, on the first week of his administration such determination to defeat this man has been so prevalent I cannot believe it. Even before he did anything. I can understand not agreeing with someone but the hate not just dislike..pure hate is more than just disagreeing with someone it is outright disgusting. This is a man who is trying to get us out of the worst recession in history and he has done so..so far. We could all have lost our savings, investments, etc. but it has not happened thanks to him and his office. He is not perfect and I don’t expect you to think that but he was the only president not allowed to speak to our school children…this man who is so pro education…it is ridiculous. There must be more to this and there is more to this but for heavens sake…how can we ever get things done without cooperation from both parties. There are things we agree on. Mass. has a health plan and it is mandatory and yet everyone here says no we cannot have it. It is working there why not for the rest of the country? Much of the discord is unjust and unfair. Unless we take a step back and examine our motives, nothing will get done and the country will be worse off for it.

Posted by: talmag | February 4, 2010, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Maybe if the Obama crowd hadn’t spent so much time alleging that ‘anyone who differs with the President’s policy must be a racist’………we just might’ve seen more civility. yknow?

Posted by: Joe White | February 4, 2010, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

If the state of Hawaii Dept. of Health maintains the original vital statistics according to state policy and procedures why not show the original vital statistics vs what was put on the internet.

Posted by: bdaman | February 4, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Kemo Sabe, me think Chief Obama speak
with forked tongue. Him ask you not see war party he gather and him want
you to pay for tomahawk he use to
scalp you. Him heap bad medicine.

Posted by: Sir Toby Belch | February 4, 2010, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Maybe if the Obama crowd
Posted by: Joe White
names of ‘the crowd’….?
your name says it all

Posted by: Yowsa | February 4, 2010, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

He pleads for civility, then says “don’t question my citizenship” as joke…
Can you imagine the reaction in the media if GWB were hiding something as innoculous as his long-form birth certiciate (the one with the doctor’s signature)?
Does anyone remember how he was hounded to release his transcripts, his medical reoords and his military reocords?
Why does the President continue to fight in court to keep it from public view? What could he have to hide?

Posted by: Csbd | February 4, 2010, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Posted by: Joe White | Feb 4, 2010 1:52:39 PM posted “Maybe if the Obama crowd hadn’t spent so much time alleging that ‘anyone who differs with the President’s policy must be a racist’………we just might’ve seen more civility. yknow?”
Joe, I’m sorry if you took it to heart when anyone called you a racist for disagreeing with this administration’s policies. We’ve all seen disrespectful comments such as calling our President “Odumma” or ex-President Bush “shrub”. There has always been pettiness in politics.
But holding a grudge over such pettiness is stupid when our country is in the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Our nation has to act. A wound over name calling does not support such a complete breakdown in cooperation.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

Posted by: Csbd
fortunately in America, we and the government don’t have to cater to the lunatic fringe who believe that nonsense

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

fortunately in America, we and the government don’t have to cater to the lunatic fringe who believe that nonsense
Posted by: PO’d | Feb 4, 2010 2:04:54 PM
Mr. Obama raised the subject, now he should present his bona fides.
What’s he got to hide?

Posted by: csbd | February 4, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Maybe people are angry for being called ignorant, redneck, racist if they weren’t pulling for Obama.
And this all started in the primary with Team Obama/supporters/the media attacking other DEMOCRATS–Hillary supporters.
They haven’t changed. They just shifted their hate now to any Democrat, Independent, or Republican that disagrees with Obama.
Tea party protesters, townhall protesters have been called racist, nazis, unAmerican mobs.
There is no civility coming from Team Obama–it’s all talk. Look at what they do.

Posted by: kyle | February 4, 2010, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

What’s he got to hide?
Posted by: csbd
nothing to hide
only folks who believe that nonsense are the lunatic fringe and Orly Taitz … republicans always need a victim conspiracy or some group to scapegoat..
maybe you should investigate the secret Fema camps next

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Tea party protesters,
Posted by: kyle
all the Tea party ‘protesters’ have is calling people
communists, nazi’s, stalinists, socialists,..
you need to watch some video of their ‘marches’ and ‘protests’

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

nothing to hide….
Posted by: PO’d | Feb 4, 2010 2:12:18 PM
Well then why has he spent $1M in court to keep the certificate from being released?
It’s just a birth certificate… Let’s see those cute little foot prints!
What could be his reason for not releasing it?

Posted by: csbd | February 4, 2010, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

People are angry because the Obama Administration, Pelosi, Reid don’t give a darn about what the people want.
They are tone deaf, acting as if we are stupid and unable to take care of ourselves.
And they have absolutely no respect for our money or our future. Spending wildly, bankrupting the country–a total government power grab.
Why shouldn’t people be angry when the government acts like we are invisible.

Posted by: ollie | February 4, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

The only one acting Holier than thou
is Obama.
We are a bunch of dimwits that need a brilliant wise man to takeover our lives.
He is dangerously close to acting like a dictator, always on TV, always lecturing the people, trying to control the media, mandates to purchase health care, takeover of banks, education, automobile companies.
Obama sounds more like Chavez every day.

Posted by: fran | February 4, 2010, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

What could be his reason for not releasing it?
Posted by: csbd
most reasonable and thinking people know that he did…perhaps the more salient question is why
‘birthers’ led by Orly Taitz and other fringe lunatics, continue this nonsense

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

He is dangerously close to acting like a dictator, always on TV, always lecturing the people
Posted by: fran
I see, TV appearances, lectures now qualify as dictator status in america….
help !!!!!

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

Who in their right mind wouldn’t be afraid and angry?
We’re in a terrible recession, millions are out of work and lost their homes.
China owns us.
And Obama wants to spend more! Go further into debt.
It’s like maxing out all of your credit cards, apply for more then max them out, in order to get out of debt.
It’s insane!!!
Then I hear he’s spending $2.5 million for a Census ad played during the Super Bowl. Are you kidding me?!

Posted by: phillip | February 4, 2010, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

kyle | Feb 4, 2010 2:10:41 PM posted: “Tea party protesters, townhall protesters have been called racist, nazis, unAmerican mobs. There is no civility coming from Team Obama–it’s all talk. Look at what they do.”
Kyle, scroll down a bit and read the post by “Sir Toby Belch”: the one saying “Chief Obama speak with forked tongue” and “Him heap bad medicine”. A perfect example of what is offensive, uncivil, and yes frankly, unAmerican.
So as a Hillary supporter, you are wounded over the campaign’s politics? We have what we have. What’s better, focusing only on the negative, dragging our feet and slinging mud – or trying to roll up our sleeves and working out differences in the best interest of our nation?
There will always be some who are intractable, like Birthers and paranoids. But we live in serious times – we have to move on, pick and choose our battles toward the nation’s best interest.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

===Speaking at the annual National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C. the president said this “erosion of civility” sows division and distrust.===
Now that he is president and the “erosion of civility” is directed towards him, he wants it to stop. Of course, he doesn’t mind contributing to that “erosion of civility” as long as it is directed at Bush/Cheney and republicans. My response, Mr. President, is bite me. Man up. Not everyone is in love with you and your policies.

Posted by: Axey | February 4, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

most reasonable and thinking people know that he did…
Posted by: PO’d | Feb 4, 2010 2:25:27 PM
_____________________
Who are you going to believe… Mr. Obama or your lying eyes?
The document I saw on the Internet didn’t have a doctor’s signature. No cute little foot prints. No hospital of birth.
In fact it was just a recently created computer generated document certifying that an actual original docuement exists in the Hawaii public records office.
Well, let’s see the original….
What could he possibly be hiding???

Posted by: csbd | February 4, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

===What could he possibly be hiding???===
Nothing. This issue helps Obama and as long as it helps him, he will continue to mention it, even though no one really is, just on the fringes. Do you remember Bush talking about 9/11 truthers? Yeah, me either. He ignored them because they were silly. Obama can’t ignore anything, and especially not something that polls well for him.

Posted by: Axey | February 4, 2010, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Do you remember Bush talking about 9/11 truthers?
Posted by: Axey
of course not, Bush was too busy talking about WMD’s, Iraq, mission accomplished, great job Brownie, major combat operations have ceased… etc

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Posted by: phillip | Feb 4, 2010 2:29:29 PM posted, “Then I hear he’s spending $2.5 million for a Census ad played during the Super Bowl. Are you kidding me?!”
According to Moody’s, Census jobs will amount to a $2.3 BILLION injection into the economy, a bridge between the moment when many economists believe the private sector will finally stop shedding jobs and when it ultimately begins to add them. Did you know these decent paying temporary jobs were available?
The peak of the Census Bureau’s hiring, will be in late April and early May when about 800,000 people are expected to be on its payroll, most of them as field workers, knocking on doors to follow up with households that did not return census forms mailed in March.
Now I’m not sure spenidng $2.5 Million on a superbowl ad is the most cost effective, but I don’t have a comparison of the costs for reaching enough people quickly. And people may not agree with “wasting” money on a Census, but it is mandated by the US Constitution.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

===Posted by: PO’d | Feb 4, 2010 2:44:07 PM===
Yes, of course that has to be the reason why he ignored the stoopid.

Posted by: Axey | February 4, 2010, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Posted by: Axey | Feb 4, 2010 2:38:54 PM
Your point is well taken. But I think there is more to it. What, I don’t know. I just find it curious that he won’t release the document.
It will come out eventually, perhaps this year, perhaps in 50 years. Why not now? It can’t really be considered a national secret. It seems unlikely that it contains any embarssing information: all the concered people besides the President are since deceased, and he can’t be in anyway held responsible for anything in it, being just born.
So what could he possibly be hiding?

Posted by: csbd | February 4, 2010, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

===So what could he possibly be hiding?===
Nothing. While I originally thought it probably had something to do with being illegitimate, I have since decided it is absolutely nothing. He just doesn’t want to do it and is using the “birthers” to his advantage.

Posted by: Axey | February 4, 2010, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

So what could he possibly be hiding?
Posted by: csbd
what ever you would like to fantasize about

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

I am 73 years old and have never seen the hate that is going around since President Obama took office.
Posted by: talmag | Feb 4, 2010 1:42:19 PM
You must have been napping from 2000-2008. In fact even before that, the nation was becoming divided thanks to Clinton and his nonsense. So don’t try to say this is all new – it’s not.

Posted by: Live! From DC! It's Saturday Night! | February 4, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

even before that, the nation was becoming divided thanks to Clinton
Posted by: Live! From DC! It’s Saturday Night!
same republican nut cases back then too,
ever notice that republicans never do anything bad, only Dems ‘devide the nation’ .. laughable POV but typical and sad

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

So don’t try to say this is all new – it’s not.
Posted by: Live! From DC! It’s Saturday Night! | Feb 4, 2010 3:00:14 PM
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Sure it is.
During the Bush years, hundreds of thousands of people protested in the streets over the attack on Iraq.
What we see now are petty, mean-spirited attacks on the President from a Republican party that by recent survey represents the segment of society that is paranoid, delusional and hateful.
The Republicans and the right have been trying to demonize the President and the Democrats since day one – and in the ‘soap opera’ segment of America, some of this nonsense sticks.

Posted by: tierra | February 4, 2010, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Is Obuma Gods voice telling us what to do ?He might think he is .Yes there are divisions not only in Washington but in our United States as well while he is in office. He is the cause of all this himself,thinking he is the Almighty one in power.This kid still has a lot to learn we the People run the country.As for his citizenship,there will always be a doubt about him due to fact this so called leader will not come out clean and release it all.So what is he hiding?? Its a terrible shame we have him in there now,as he is leading us down the path to destruction.

Posted by: Joeray | February 4, 2010, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Is Obuma Gods voice telling us what to do ?
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Actually, it was the last president who was delusional enough to think “God” was whispering instructions in his ear in the bathroom.

Posted by: tierra | February 4, 2010, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

According to Moody’s, Census jobs will amount to a $2.3 BILLION injection into the economy, a bridge between the moment when many economists believe the private sector will finally stop shedding jobs and when it ultimately begins to add them. Did you know these decent paying temporary jobs were available?
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And who pays the census workers? By creating temporary employment out of funds created by tax dollars, you’re not doing anything but creating a false lift.
I fully understand that it is a constitutional requirement and therefore needs to be done. I have absolutely no issue with that. I do have an issue with false promises about injection of money when it’s actually a reallocation of tax dollars into the economy.
As for the super bowl ad, I’m not going to get in a huff over that. It is a huge viewership and it’s an “everyman” kind of event, so it should reach the folks who need the jobs. Besides, with deficits in the trillions and add-ons to the debt ceiling twice within the past two months…millions are pretty much peanuts anymore and hardly worth the angst. (Wow, a sentence I’d never imagine myself uttering ever in my lifetime.)

Posted by: Jen B. | February 4, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

I guess you all are taking Obama’s pleas for civility to heart.

Posted by: wow | February 4, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Maybe civility should start with him.

Posted by: liz | February 4, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Maybe civility should start with him.
Posted by: liz | Feb 4, 2010 3:35:40 PM
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It has.

Posted by: tierra | February 4, 2010, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

“And who pays the census workers? By creating temporary employment out of funds created by tax dollars, you’re not doing anything but creating a false lift”
The census is Constitutionally required and is necessary for a whole host of information useful to the government in matters from redistricting to funding.

Posted by: Ryan C | February 4, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Gone blinking doolally, that one.

Posted by: Jen B. | February 4, 2010, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

The census is Constitutionally required and is necessary for a whole host of information useful to the government in matters from redistricting to funding
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If you’d read the rest of my post, Ry, you’d see I’d acknowledged that and take no issue with the census. Only with false claims about it being an economic lift. I’m fully aware it has to be done. Just don’t be disingenuous and act like it’s something it’s not.

Posted by: Jen B. | February 4, 2010, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Joeray | Feb 4, 2010 3:06:24 PM posted “He is the cause of all this himself, thinking he is the Almighty one in power.”
Joeray, I keep reading this kind of unsubstantiated hate mail over and over. You may recall Obama was voted into office by a majority – voters who clearly rejected the paranoid idea that his citizenship “will always be in doubt.”
Just because he promotes policies some people may disagree with does not mean President Obama believes he is “God”. And please, enlighten us, exactly HOW is this President “leading us down the path to destruction” when he implements campaign ideas selected by the majority of voters?

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

=== when he implements campaign ideas selected by the majority of voters?===
You will have to explain to the board why he is having so much trouble implementing campaign ideas selected by the majority of voters with the majorities in both houses. Because frankly, I don’t understand it. If the majority were behind Obama’s campaign ideas, he should be coasting. I think we’ll agree he is not coasting.

Posted by: Axey | February 4, 2010, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Posted by: Jen B. | Feb 4, 2010 3:26:08 PM posted “By creating temporary employment out of funds created by tax dollars, you’re not doing anything but creating a false lift.”
I don’t see it as an “injection” or a “false lift”. In many areas, especially rural and urban, the Census bureau still needs to recruit aggressively. These folks are hard hit by the Recession. One of its top priorities is hiring from the communities where census takers will be working, making sure they are familiar with its nuances and even speak the language.
Some may reject the idea of stimulus spending, but stimulus such as food stamps actually goes directly into the community. The money is spent, rippling into the economy – grocery clerk jobs, agricultural jobs, shipping jobs.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

That’s unsustainable math, CenterOne. You aren’t generating new money, just redistributing it from the taxes taken from those who currently have jobs. Eventually you’ll have to increase the tax rates to cover more of the people who’ve lost jobs because employers need to cut payroll to generate more income in order to achieve growth. As those jobs are lost, more people need those food stamps so taxes must be increased again. It’s a downward spiral and ineffective way out of a recession. You can’t spend to save, unless you are generating income and jobs separate from the institution that makes its money through taxation of jobs. It’s the epitome of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Posted by: Jen B. | February 4, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Posted by: Axey | Feb 4, 2010 5:00:58 PM posted: “If the majority were behind Obama’s campaign ideas, he should be coasting.”
It has been just over one year, so I’m not at all surprised policy changes are still in the works. Check out Politifact for campaign promises kept, stalled, or in process.
And the idea that he’s not “coasting”? The majority of voters may have selected this President’s ideas, but that does not account for the massive weight and power of Lobbyists in Congress – they are like lampreys on the backs of our “political servants”.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

What we see now are petty, mean-spirited attacks on the President from a Republican party that by recent survey represents the segment of society that is paranoid, delusional and hateful.
The Republicans and the right have been trying to demonize the President and the Democrats since day one – and in the ‘soap opera’ segment of America, some of this nonsense sticks.
Posted by: tierra | Feb 4, 2010 3:06:05 PM
Delusional? Since when does voicing opinions on job losses, economy problems, back room deals to get bills passed, and so on constitute being “delusional”? Paranoid? If you mean being fearful that I might lose my job, or being overwhelmed by the deficit that generations to come will be paying for, then yes, I guess that means paranoid. Hateful? As a conservative, I think a baby has the right to be born and live a full life. If I’m hateful because I don’t think it’s right that a woman decides to scream about her “choice” of abortion instead of using her head and using “choice” (protection) to begin with, then I guess I have no argument with you. If I’m hateful because I don’t think terrorists or murderers have rights and are better shot between the eyes than given a bully pulpit to voice what they think of America, then again, I guess I have no argument with you. But any party (in this case, the liberal party) that believes a terrorist has more rights than a child in the womb, I would think has NO right to judge.
And as far as your “soap opera” segment, you might want to take a look at the “American Idol” segment that put Obama in the WH to begin with. The biggest laugh I got during the campaign was the interviews with some of the “youngsters” voting for Obama but had NO CLUE about his background, policies, agenda, etc. They thought he was “cool”, “different” “good looking”. Ooooohh, now THOSE are great reasons for voting for a certain candidate. Although I must say, those same kiddies that voted for “the one we’ve been waiting for” don’t seem quite as wrapped up in the hype anymore. Coming down to earth is hard.

Posted by: Shoe | February 4, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Oh, and so we’re clear, injection was your terminology:
I don’t see it as an “injection”
Posted by: CenterOne | Feb 4, 2010 5:05:32 PM
Census jobs will amount to a $2.3 BILLION injection into the economy
Posted by: CenterOne | Feb 4, 2010 2:45:08 PM

Posted by: Jen B. | February 4, 2010, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

Posted by: Jen B. | Feb 4, 2010 5:31:08 PM “It’s a downward spiral and ineffective way out of a recession.”
Well, clearly not all economists agree.
Borrowing and spending are pretty much how the government has pulled itself out of every modern recession. It worked in my state during our last economic downturn when unemployment was just about as bad as it is today.
The Department of Agriculture estimates that every $5 of food stamp spending results in $9.20 worth of economic activity. Moody’s economists say local stimulus that’s spent quickly (like food stamps) actually works. They estimate that a $1 increase in food stamps creates $1.73 in economic activity. Compare that to tax cuts which Moody’s says provides only $1.03 for every dollar returned to taxpayers.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

One only needs to read a few posts on this site, and others, to know that the President’s call for civility is falling on deaf ears. Reasonable discourse with true ideologues, who always have their own “reality”-true or not-is impossible. Carried to the extreme of violence, you don’t negotiate with terrorists.

Posted by: B.Bear | February 4, 2010, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Jen B. | Feb 4, 2010 5:40:28 PM
Sorry if I wasn’t clear – the term “injection” used by Moody’s. I don’t believe this description (“injection”) or yours (“false lift”) are the best ways to describe how stimulus money actually ripples throughout the economy.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Well, clearly not all economists agree.
Posted by: CenterOne | Feb 4, 2010 6:06:19 PM
Keynesians agree with your analysis. Hayek, Friedman and Smith agree with mine (or more appropriately put, I agree with theirs.)
Keynesian math works short term, but leaves no underpinnings. It also allows for collapses that he effectively manipulated to work in “cycles” that benefitted from free market workings. The collapse we are in now are the result of “credit propelled asset bubbles” which the Austrian contigent of economists always stated were “threats to the stability of capitalism.”

Posted by: Jen B. | February 4, 2010, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Posted by: Shoe | Feb 4, 2010 5:31:36 PM posted “Since when does voicing opinions on job losses, economy problems, back room deals to get bills passed, and so on constitute being ‘delusional’”.
You know what Shoe, when people speak their minds about issues such as job losses, the deficit, personal responsibility, or terrorists, imo, that IS valuable civil discourse.
But here are examples of what has been fueling division, encouraging people who really are delusional, paranoid and hateful:
Obama’s health care bill is “offering insurance for dogs” (Glenn Beck) – or, “Obama wants to mandate circumcision” (Rush Limbaugh)– or that Birthers found a copy of his “Kenyan birth certificate” (Orly Taitz) – or that the VA has a manual “encouraging veterans to commit suicide” (Michael Steele).
Clearly this junk is not true, but it resonates with people who are bigoted or ignorant. And this lack of civility stifles rational discourse about compromise or new ideas – to chart the best possible direction for our nation.

Posted by: CenterOne | February 4, 2010, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

So the Obama Administration has no problem releasing information that the UnderBomber is talking, there by alerting others to take evasive action, but wants to keep Mr. Obama’s birth certificate secret.
What could he be hiding?

Posted by: twg | February 4, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

From Wikipedia:
“On May 22, 1856, (Sen. Preston) Brooks (D-SC) beat Senator Charles Sumner with his Gutta-percha wood walking cane in the Senate chamber because of a speech Sumner had made three days earlier, for singling out Brooks’ relative, Andrew Butler.”
Is this the sort of civility Obama longs for? Please. Once again Obama is attempting to redefine the issue, to tell the American public why they’re so upset. He must really think we’re a bunch of idiots. We’re not upset with the tone in Washington. We’re upset with the tone-deaf Democrats who refuse to listen to us.

Posted by: Woody | February 4, 2010, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

Civility should begin with Obama and his corrupt administration.
Obama’s idea of bi-partisanship is agreeing with him. Republicans don’t and more and more independents don’t either. Conservative Americans do not want what Obama is selling and; hopefully, the Republicans will not give him any votes.

Posted by: Proud American | February 4, 2010, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

Delusional? Since when does voicing opinions..
Posted by: Shoe
well, when ‘voicing opinions’ becomes nazi, socialist, maoist, leninist, hates white people, not a citizen, purveyor of death panels, secret Fema re-education camps, treason, muslim terrorist, trying to destroy america, kill grandma, etc…
well yeah… delusional paranoia is appropriate to describe the inane lunatic comments.

Posted by: Oh Say, Can You See? | February 4, 2010, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

no problem releasing information that the UnderBomber is talking
Posted by: twg
maybe because they already had acted on the info.. as opposed to Sen. Bond (R) who spills secret info before it can be acted upon… a treasonous offense undermining the very security of the American homeland

Posted by: PO'd | February 4, 2010, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

Who is this guy anyway, and why did the media let him slip into office without the most casual vetting?

Posted by: Quo Warranto | February 5, 2010, 1:55 am 1:55 am

the media let him slip into office without the most casual vetting? Posted by: Quo Warranto
another ‘true believer’ in democracy and elections..
if you don’t like America …. leave

Posted by: Y NOT | February 5, 2010, 2:26 am 2:26 am

Posted by: CenterOne
Listened to Olbermann lately and his crazy, hateful rantings? How about Chris Matthews comparing republicans to the Khmer rouge? Isn’t freedom of speech a great thing! Don’t like it, turn the dial.
I think it would be wonderful if everyone could be respectful of each others opinions and not vilify one another when they disagree. A lot more good things would be accomplished if people could find common ground.

Posted by: wow | February 5, 2010, 2:37 am 2:37 am

“Senate Republicans, he said, have employed the filibuster more over the past year than in all of the 1950s and 1960s combined. The GOP’s strategy has been “twenty years of obstruction packed into one,” he said.
The fact is there has not been one single filibuster in 2009 by the Republicans or anybody else for that matter.
But please, let’s have civility- even with Obama lying constantly through his teeth.

Posted by: drjohn | February 5, 2010, 7:11 am 7:11 am

We won the election and now these sore losers will continue to spew your hate with lies. The way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked lies, then, and only then, you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called facts that they present. Let’s face it no one will go along with you until you guys win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. Keep plucking that chicken.

Posted by: Montana | February 5, 2010, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

His idea of civility is the Senate Dems rat terrier Al Franken cursing John Boehner’s mother but saying nothing to David Axelrod. Or Harry Reid calling Senate Republicans slave traders.
Voting down legislation is not a lack of civility. Nor is threatening to filibuster legislation the MAJORITY of citizens oppose. Filibusters are threatened but rarely happen so Reid must know something. Now, after two houses of congress have spent a solid year on this legislation senate dems won’t even vote to put themselves on record in support of the mess. House dems are wishing to God they could take their votes back.
What’s hillarious is the dem majorities are pretty close to the majorities opposing their legislation!

Posted by: smartlillena | February 6, 2010, 7:54 am 7:54 am

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