Obama on Health Care: Let’s Sit Down, Take Our Time, Then Move Forward on a Vote

I have to give them credit — they have very smoothly and convincingly launched their massive all-points attack campaign to get themselves back in favor.
What they don’t get is that when it comes to fundamental beliefs about the proper role of government, no amount of manipulation make people do what they want.
People might believe other types of BS, like the idea that Michelle Obama was flummoxed and bewildered by hearing about her daughter’s high BMI. But they aren’t going to believe that Obama is not an ideologue or that the answer to our problems is expanding government. It really doesn’t matter what they say or how they say it — that’s not the country they were elected to govern. Sorry.

Posted by: What? | Feb 4, 2010 8:32:43 PM
Please post the source and date for your list of ‘factual’ information.

tierra, I’m not a Republican and I’m not on the right. But that was a revealing admission of hatred on your part — it will be remembered.

Their is only one possible way Obama could be elected for a second term. He needs to forget about socialism and become a pro business president. All he is is doing for business now is throwing crumbs out here and there which are supposed to create job growth. Ain’t gonna happen – SEE THE MARKET TODAY? REALITY IS SETTING IN THAT WE ARE IN BIG ECONOMIC DOO DOO AND GETTING WORSE. WHILE….. OBAMA IS PUTTING US TRILLIONS MORE IN DEBT. I AM SEVENTY-ONE. IF THESE CRAZIES (OBAMA, PELOSI, REID) GET THEIR WAY, I FULLY EXPECT THAT ALL ENTITLEMENT (SS, MEDICARE, ETC) PROGRAMS TO BECOME WORTHLESS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

tierra, I’m not a Republican and I’m not on the right. But that was a revealing admission of hatred on your part — it will be remembered.
Posted by: Chiara | Feb 4, 2010 9:08:49 PM
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You people hate the smear and fear campaign from the Republican right – if you don’t feel you’re part of that don’t feel so guilty. Phony.

Millions in Stimulus Spending Being Doled Out for Questionable Jobs
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Nonsense. A huge portion of the stimulus money is going out in tax relief ($288 Billion) just as the Republicans demanded.
An additionally huge portion ($144 Billion) is going out in shoring up State budgets. You have no idea what chaos would be occurring at the State level without the stimulus money.
And many funds went out to shore up unemployment, food stamp programs, COBRA and so on – just to help families damaged by the collapse to survive.
You people don’t seem to get it – this was a major world-wide economic meltdown that occurred under the last administration.
We’re lucky not to be in a depression, and we’re still struggling to get out of the severe recession. The entire world is suffering.
Quite your pretense and political posturing.

It’s not young people, it’s young voters. I was featured in that Newsweek article at MSNBC.

Get a clue. We don’t want this – the majority of the American people don’t want this. Hello????

ONE MAJOR ITEM THE REPS WANT IS TORT REFORM WHICH COULD CUT BILLIONS FROM HEALTH CARE COSTS ANNUALLY. BUT…… THE DEMS WILL NOT DISCUSS THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN BED WITH THE TRIAL ATTORNEYS.

TORT REFORM, NO BACK ROOM DEALS, and some common sense…… Oh Ya, and that Border fence to keep out the TERRORISTS.
Is that too much to ask for?
WON’T Get FOOLED AGAIN in 2010

Posted by: tierra | Feb 4, 2010 9:20:17 PM
Actually all three were state races. Two were for governorships which can impact congressional redistricting and therefore national politics. Scott Brown’s election was also a state race since only legal and registered residents of Massachusetts could legally cast a vote. And yes Brown’s election will have national implications.
You might also want to review newspaper and Internet articles and blogs, especially comments, to refresh your memory of which side is predominately prone to using the most vile labeling of the opposition and the most likely to have over active imaginations. Which side is most likely to attack family members, especially children, of the opposition?
Why are objective criticisms of policies and agenda discounted as being racism? Can’t defend your position with sound arguments or facts, just call the opposition as radical extremist racist.

Posted by: JohnFLob | Feb 4, 2010 10:09:23 PM
We’ve all seen the fear and smear campaign against the President, his family and the Democrats. You only have to play attention to this blog to see it clearly EACH and EVERY day.
Juvenile name calling, cheap shot insults, fear and smear campaigns against the current administration.
The President gets smeared for taking his kids for ice cream, taking a one-week holiday, increasing benefits for returning soldiers, paying respect to the coffins of fallen soldiers – you name it; whatever it is it shows the President is either evil, or corrupt or inept, or a traitor, or a commie, or a terrorist, or a foreigner . . .and on and on and on.
Sorry pal, it’s no contest when it comes to smear campaigns – the Republican right are the worst and set a very poor example for the nation.

The debt this country is accumulating is unsustainable.
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If you’re worried about that, you would be a fool to vote Republican. The last Republican administration promised ‘smaller government’ and ‘the elimination of the deficit’ – and what did they deliver?
The Bush administration added as much to the national debt as almost all the other administrations in history combined.
And here is the big problem – left the economy in almost complete free-fall collapse.
The problem with collapsed economies is they put extreme strain on government programs and strip out tax revenue – adding up to deficits.

Posted by: Stanley | Feb 4, 2010 10:19:30 PM
What politician has ever done everything he/she promised?
Bush promised ‘smaller government’ and ‘the elimination of the deficit’. Instead we got a doubled national debt, increased spending, a huge deficit and a collapsed.
I believe the current President far more that the last. There is no contest.
And I believe the current President when he said on Friday . . .
“In terms of lobbyists, I can stand here unequivocally and say that there has not been an administration who was tougher on making sure that lobbyists weren’t participating in the administration than any administration that’s come before us.
“Now, what we did was, if there were lobbyists who were on boards and commissions that were carryovers and their term hadn’t been completed, we didn’t kick them off. We simply said that moving forward any time a new slot opens, they’re being replaced.
“So we’ve actually been very consistent in making sure that we are eliminating the impact of lobbyists, day in, day out, on how this administration operates. There have been a handful of waivers where somebody is highly skilled — for example, a doctor who ran Tobacco-Free Kids technically is a registered lobbyist; on the other end, has more experience than anybody in figuring out how kids don’t get hooked on cigarettes.
“So there have been a couple of instances like that, but generally we’ve been very consistent on that front.”

I’m a business student…I study this stuff. Stop the blaming, there was so much more involved in the economic collapse and you can blame multiple entities. Both parties can take responsibility for the situation we’re in.
I’m going to vote for the party who shows some fiscal responsibility. I’ve been disgusted with the behavior of this congress. I’ll look at the candidates on an individual basis and judge accordingly.

Tort reform = denial of victim’s rights
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not true! Even liberal California has tort reform.

tierra wrote: “many of the component parts of the health care bills are the same as those put forward by Howard Baker and Bob Dole – both Republicans.”
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And most of the health care bill has provisions in it that would only be supported by communists…. so just because a bill has something that Baker and Dole (both Republicans, whoopee) supported means that everyone is supposed to bend over and take one for “bipartisanship”?

tierra wrote: “The Bush administration added as much to the national debt as almost all the other administrations in history combined.”
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So if the supposed Bush debt is what has you lefties all wee-wee’d up, then you think you’d be going ballistic over the debt that oBama has in store for you. But you’re not, and that tells us all we need to know.
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“The problem with collapsed economies is they put extreme strain on government programs and strip out tax revenue – adding up to deficits.”
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When my “revenue” is under severe strain relative to my expenses, I have no choice but to cut my expenses to make things balance out. If I ran my household like the lefties want to run the government, I would take up bank robbery to reduce the extreme strain.

Nephron – Obama REPEATED the wrong pronunciation THREE TIMES. He is the top military officer and pronounces corps as corpse.

So if the supposed Bush debt is what has you lefties all wee-wee’d up
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You don’t understand the difference?
The Bush Republicans promised ‘smaller government’ and ‘the elimination of the deficit’ and then rang up record deficits and record national debt . ..
And they did this during ‘good’ economic times when government programs were not under strain and an economic collapse had not stripped out tax revenues.
During ‘good’ economic times, you’re supposed to be saving up for a rainy day, not blowing your wad on the taxpayers’ credit cards.
That was the Republican administration under Bush. You’d have to have the attention span of a fruit fly to think they have any kind of answers.

tierra wrote: “Again, complete nonsense . .. most industrialized western democracies have ‘universal coverage’ and their plans are not ‘communist’ except to someone looking for scare tactics and fear mongering.”
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So you think that forcing someone under the penalty of fines and even jail time for not purchasing the DEMOCRAT mandated health coverage is something that freedom loving Americans can wrap their arms around?

“Most industrialized western democracies have universal health coverage.” Right – and where do their patients come to when they can’t get service in their own country?
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Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.

That guy from Newfoundland is just vititing friends!
Posted by: Maple Leaves | Feb 4, 2010 11:27:36 PM
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So what? Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.

So what? Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.
But Michael Moore said Canada was the best. It was in a movie. You’re saying it isn’t?

tierra wrote:”"There have been a handful of waivers where somebody is highly skilled — for example, a doctor who ran Tobacco-Free Kids technically is a registered lobbyist;”
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Highly skilled huh? I guess that’s why we have Mark Patterson who was a lobbyist for Goldman Sachs or Cecilia Munoz who was a lobbyist for La Raza or Patrick Gaspard who was a lobbyist for SEIU. Why, we even had Tom Daschle who never even bothered to register as a lobbyist while trying to get favors for his clients in the health care business. What exactly was their skills that got them a waiver?

So what? Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.
But Michael Moore said Canada was the best. It was in a movie. You’re saying it isn’t?
Posted by: Maple Leaves | Feb 4, 2010 11:30:50 PM
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Your inability to understand the english language does not affect the legitimacy of my argument.
“Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
“What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.”

Posted by: gk | Feb 4, 2010 11:31:31 PM
Like the President said . . a handful of waivers.
You apparently have no idea of how many lobbyists were in the previous administration – and how impressively that has been contained.
That’s your bias showing.

My friend has been unemployed and uninsured for over six months now. We went to dinner yesterday at McDonalds, having a Big Mac and a 1/4 pounder. It was a unique dinner. He asked me to pray for him since he lost his jobs and say grace before we eat. I told him that it’s better for me to pray with him than for him: “Father, forgive Mr. Obama, for he knows not what he has done and about to do”.

You apparently have no idea of how many lobbyists were in the previous administration – and how impressively that has been contained.
That’s your bias showing.
Ah oui! Plouffe! Uh, I mean touche!

“What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.”
Weird. I’m not rich, but my healthcare is damn good. I also pay taxes. Must be one of a kind!

Weird. I’m not rich, but my healthcare is damn good. I also pay taxes. Must be one of a kind!
Posted by: Lucky Clover | Feb 4, 2010 11:45:48 PM
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Read it again slowly. . . it’s not that difficult to comprehend.
“Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
“What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.”

wow,
She’s really rich. Be nice and she’ll help you out with your healthcare.

Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.
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Which part of it don’t you understand?

Which part of it don’t you understand?
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So health insurance companies are going broke? Or is the federal gov’t going broke? If the Feds can’t run the USPS for a profit, why should they run healthcare (or car companies).

Yes, the poor health insurance companies are going broke?
Which ones? And how’s the USPS doing?

If the Feds can’t run the USPS for a profit, why should they run healthcare (or car companies).
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makes one wonder why Bush, aka ‘the Feds’ had to sub contract out 2 wars and refused to rely on the American military humiliating them in the eyes of the world.

“that’s not what healthcare/insurance reform is about….. it’s a nice republican throw away line, but hardly accurate”.
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Sure it is. Government has proven that they are not good stewards of the taxpayer dollar. If they insist on proceeding anyway, then you can rest assured that the program will be buried in fraud, waste, and abuse. There are already hundreds of examples of this staring you in the face.

Again, you right wingers miss the point . . .
Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.
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As it stands right now, the health insurance companies skim off the cream from insuring the young, the employed and the healthy – leaving the tax payer to foot the bill for the old, the sick, the indigent and those damaged in the military.

Libs…stifle it! I don’t want to hear
your screams as you relive the “silence
of the lambs” metaphor in November.
You chose it…..you OWN it when it
fails. The “Obama Experiment” is coming
to a history book soon….for those of
you that can read at a 4th grade level.

Anyway, like you were asked, what health insurance companies are going broke or in debt?
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As far as I know, health insurance companies are not going broke – they are skimming off the cream from the young, the employed and the healthy.

Yes, the poor health insurance companies are going broke? Have you not studied this issue at all?
vs.
As far as I know, health insurance companies are not going broke – they are skimming off the cream from the young, the employed and the healthy.
Which one?

Yes, the poor health insurance companies are going broke? Have you not studied this issue at all?
vs.
As far as I know, health insurance companies are not going broke – they are skimming off the cream from the young, the employed and the healthy.
Which one?
Posted by: ? | Feb 5, 2010 1:00:38 AM
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You’re left to figure it out all on your own. I’m sure you can handle it. Here’s a clue – which one has a question mark at the end?

You’re left to figure it out all on your own. I’m sure you can handle it. Here’s a clue – which one has a question mark at the end?
How’s the Federal Gov’t doing?

How’s the Federal Gov’t doing?
Posted by: Timmy G. | Feb 5, 2010 1:18:54 AM
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Nobody said the American system doesn’t work for those with wealth, or excellent coverage that hasn’t been denied or cut off by the insurance companies.
What it doesn’t work for is everybody else and the taxpayer – the system is going broke as is. And it is bankrupting the country.
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As it stands right now, the health insurance companies skim off the cream from insuring the young, the employed and the healthy – leaving the tax payer to foot the bill for the old, the sick, the indigent and those damaged in the military.

As it stands right now, the health insurance companies skim off the cream from insuring the young, the employed and the healthy – leaving the tax payer to foot the bill for the old, the sick, the indigent and those damaged in the military.
Read that before…Now please tell me how the Federal gov’t is doing debt wise. I read a recent article form just the other day.

As it stands right now, the health insurance companies skim off the cream from insuring the young, the employed and the healthy – leaving the tax payer to foot the bill for the old, the sick, the indigent and those damaged in the military.
And it is bankrupting the country.
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Different, but the same! Wait, just the same:(

When the enormous debt (created by Republicans, Democrats, Mr. Bush, but really exploded by Mr. Obama) comes due, the effects on everyone of us will be terrible. Don’t think you will escape, no one will. We must act now to stop this madness.

yes we all know Bush faced no challenges during his administration…that’s a rather warped version of history but i’m sure that’s the intent.

The last thing I will say, though — let me say this about health care and the health care debate, because I think it also bears on a whole lot of other issues. If you look at the package that we’ve presented — and there’s some stray cats and dogs that got in there that we were eliminating, we were in the process of eliminating. For example, we said from the start that it was going to be important for us to be consistent in saying to people if you can have your — if you want to keep the health insurance you got, you can keep it, that you’re not going to have anybody getting in between you and your doctor in your decision making. And I think that some of the provisions that got snuck in might have violated that pledge. —-Barack Hussein Obama

If you look at the package that we’ve presented — and there’s some stray cats and dogs that got in there that we were eliminating, we were in the process of eliminating. —-Barack Hussein Obama
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And I’m sure you honestly believe that. Obama had his chance to work for an honest bill that people would support. For a number of reasons, he thought the US was brimming with more Obama worshippers. He was badly mistaken. Or they woke up when they realized what he was actually advocating. Cherry-picking his words can not change the FACT that the US doesn’t want his health care, with or without the “cats and dogs”. Congress is in shambles today and the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of Barack Hussein Obama. Dems, as a whole, and in Congress, do not trust Barack Hussein Obama. Inds really don’t trust Barack Hussein Obama.
The US’ refuge could lie in the fact that Barack Hussein Obama is too arrogant to see that reality.

It is no longer possible for Obama to talk health care. There are too many more pressing issues to be dealt with, which have gotten zero attention from the administration.

Mr. Obama dallies while the national debt skyrockets. There is going to be a bad ending for all, no one will escape the harsh consequences.
Blame whoever you want, but the time for action is now, before it’s too late. The man in the White House is Mr. Obama. He needs to quit carping about the problems he inherited and start doing something about them.

“Mr. Obama dallies while the national debt skyrockets”
See? Only a right-winger could characterize working on healthcare reform as dallying.

Sadly to hear Repblicans talk about health reform is a joke. For 8 years they had little interest in the health of the American people. The health care is now a buzzword word. For 8 years the previous administration under Bush had no real interest in health care. The Nation has a serious diabetes problem that got worst under Bush’s administration. I congratulate Obama for actually moving on the issue.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 5, 2010 10:30:18 AM
Nothing a meeting with Big Pharma can’t help!

First of all, Obama should stop talking like an emperor of USA, by ordering his party’s lawmakers to pass the health care bill. He should recognize that his party have suffered a humiliating defeats in recent elections in VA, NJ and MA. Now it is the election year, the lawmakers are becoming more sensitive to the opinion of their constituencies, and the health care bills passed by the house and senate have insolvable differences. Even the senate bill passed earlier can not hold today as it is because some Dem. senators have back out of Reid’s notorious bribery offer and the Rep. now have votes to fillbuster the bill. Speaker Pelosi believes that she could not get enough votes in the house, after the bill is merged with the senate bill.

Obama said “still fired up and still ready to go”. Why doesn’t he talk this way about creating jobs?
According to the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, the American people want the government to focus this year on the economy, creating jobs, and fighting terrorism; health care reform is ranked 8. Why Obama gets “fired up” about health care Americans are wanting jobs FIRST.
Obama is so out of touch with us that he is solely responsible for Scott Brown’s victory in Mass. Obama’s blame Bush is full while his fix the economy box is empty and collecting dust.
By ignoring the needs of Americans Obama is revealing his true colors: a thinly disguised dictator.

According to the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, the American people want the government to focus this year on:
1. the economy
2. creating jobs, and
3. fighting terrorism;
health care reform is ranked 8.
So why does Obama give a big pep rally to the Democrats telling them to stay “fired up” about health care and not the economy? Obama says, “The forces of the status quo may not give an inch, but we will not give an inch.”
Obama’s purpose is clear: he didn’t become president to serve the American people. He became president because America is his little experimental pet project – and we are his guinea pigs.
When he refers to the American people as “the status quo” he isn’t representing us. When he refers to addressing the needs of Americans by focusing so much attention and energy on an issue ranked #8, by saying “we will not give an inch”. Obama then simply ceases to represent America. Obama chooses to keep us cornered like a rat and toy around with us with his personal pet projects – all against our will.
He isn’t a public servant he is an outright dictator.

Obama told the Democrats, “we didn’t come this far to put things off, or to play it safe. We didn’t do all this work to take the easy road to get to the next election.”
Americans want the president to focus on the economy and Obama knows this. But health care is his priority not ours. His statement is telling his Democrat servants to ram through health care for him not for America. He is telling his democrat servants to join him in taking a kamikaze plunge and kiss your political career goodbye.
So we can now add democrat political careers to the list of what Obama has destroyed.

By ignoring the needs of Americans Obama is revealing his true colors: a thinly disguised dictator.
Dude, he can’t even keep Reid in line. or Rahmmy. I can smell the weakness…

So if healthcare reform ranks at #8 we should all just forget about it altogether despite the fact that healthcare costs are going to have a detrimental effect on the economy..
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Doesn’t make any sense at all, which is typical. Btw, naysayers, it helps with jobs, too, which is number two.

Skip: “So if healthcare reform ranks at #8 we should all just forget about it altogether despite the fact that healthcare costs are going to have a detrimental effect on the economy, which ranks at #1. -How convenient for the insurance companies.”
Of course we shouldn’t forget about health care, but let’s not falsely inflate it’s importance to number 1 again like the president did last year. The further the government entrenches itself into health care, the more expensive it becomes. Focus on the costs, including tort reform for example, not taking over the whole industry as Obama and liberals would like.
The fact that the economy is number 1 and jobs is number 2 isn’t convenient for insurance companies — people buy less of everything, including health care and insurance, during rough economic times. It is certainly not convenient for the American people either. Unfortunately, it took a whole year for the president to get the message in the form of losing Ted Kennedy’s longly-held liberal seat as well as his super-majority — it’s the economy stupid! Yet, his solutions are sadly always the same — spend, spend, spend! November and 2012 can’t come soon enough!

Funny how the approach has turned to “let’s sit down, take our time, then move forward on a vote”. Just 2 months ago, if the healthcare bill DIDN’T pass, we were told that THOUSANDS of uninsured people were going to die. We were told that the Republicans wanted us to “get sick and die”. Remember that? It was an urgent passage…one that we couldn’t go another day without. Then, the American public spoke. They spoke through the vote in Massachusetts, putting Scott Brown in, and effectively saying “no, we don’t want THIS healthcare bill”. Of course the majority of folks in this country would like to see reform. That DOES NOT mean they want THIS bill.
So, what was once the bill we could not live without, has now become the bill that can wait. Funny how one little election can make such a BIG impact.
BTW, Obama was just yesterday making a big deal of the two parties getting along, working together, passing legislation, etc. Today I just read an article that Patrick Kennedy says Scott Brown’s election (and earlier swearing in) are a “joke”. Boy, one of the members of the “first family of Democrats” just took a shot at the Republican. Any comments Mr. Obama?

===we were in the process of eliminating. —-Barack Hussein Obama===
No they weren’t. They were trying to get the danged thing passed before it came undone. I hate lying liars.
Posted by: Axey | Feb 5, 2010 11:44:29 AM
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Yes they were. They were in the process of reconciliation and they were discarding some things, keeping others. The President was having direct input.

The American people have carefully considered Obamacare and have resoundingly, thumpingly rejected it. His agenda is in tatters, because the people are strongly opposed to every shred of it.
We right-wingers are rubbing our hands together with glee, just waiting for the first Tuesday in November. How ’bout you goofballs? You excited?
Remember the stupes who told us that VA and NJ meant nothing, and the only thing that mattered was NY-23? Hey folks, life’s tough, but it’s a lot tougher if you’re stupid.

Hey, “Mama,” how you doin’v
Hate to disappoint you, but I didn’t go off any cliff, and I didn’t ask anybody to follow me, nor did I follow anyone else. I vote for candidates according to how much they will leave us alone.
When those candidates win, I increase my already substantial wealth. I don’t harm anyone; I just prosper by doing things that people are happy to pay me for. When your candidates win, I don’t do anything at all– I just sit back and laugh.
Too bad if you went off a cliff. You must be exceptionally stupid.

The President was having direct input.
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Which president was having direct input? According to Obama, he wasn’t.
Reality sucks.

Perhaps Ms Miller should have pointed out(and somebody should have told our Pres.)that current health care plans no longer allow mammograms for women under 50 years of age. So sadly for this women at 42 she would not have qualified for testing even if she had health care.

So if healthcare reform ranks at #8 we should all just forget about it altogether …
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We should put it in the #8 spot in line and allow obama’s legacy to take care of itself. Or it will take care of obama’s legacy all by itself.