By Jacqueline Klingebiel

Mar 14, 2010 9:47am

Axelrod: Democrats Will Have the Votes for Health Care Reform

The President’s Senior Adviser David Axelrod told me that he believes there will be enough votes to pass health care reform and that a vote will happen by the end of the week. 

In my “This Week” interview, Axelrod said he believes “that we’ll be there at the end of the day.”  He added that the end of this process, which has gone on for more than a year, is near.  “I believe it is going to happen this week,” Axelrod said.

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Axelrod “we will have the votes”..(and I will use my ax and my rod if I have to)

Posted by: cindy | March 14, 2010, 9:58 am 9:58 am

if they vote this in, they should all be voted out of office next election! This is too important to let a couple of hundred politicions vote on, it should be put to a national vote!!

Posted by: joeyj1958 | March 14, 2010, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Most Americans want health care to pass. Has anyone seen John Q this weekend. Nothing has changed. Some help is better than none. The health care problems are heart breaking. It is the working class people that need health care reform the most. I think you are polling the rich or the poor they got good health care of course they don’t want change.

Posted by: Shandra Umazar | March 14, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Shandra, some help is better than none? Did you stand in an H1N1 “free” vaccine line?

Posted by: cindy | March 14, 2010, 10:10 am 10:10 am

Axelrod doesn’t understand. WE DON’T WANT THIS HEALTH CARE PROGRAM. And neither does anyone in Washington D.C., or they would ditch their policy, and embrace this cow. Vote out everyone if this goes through.

Posted by: Tank | March 14, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Shandra: Its the working people and middle class that are going to be hurt and be paying more for their health care with this bill. Pelosi put it so eloquently now the artists along with the drug addicts and people that do not want to work will be able to be unemployed comfortably. I guess Axelrod is going to send Rahm back to the showers this weekend to get the votes they need.

Posted by: Janet D | March 14, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am

shandra, where do you get your “most” from? gallup- 45% approve 48% disapprove. Looks to me like “most” americans do not want this to pass.

Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | March 14, 2010, 10:15 am 10:15 am

The polls show most americans don’t wan this bill to pass. They do want health care reform. I sometimes wonder why some people don’t understand the “nuance”.

Posted by: jonny | March 14, 2010, 10:16 am 10:16 am

if this bill is so great, why are the dems having such a hard time getting their own party to vote on it?

Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | March 14, 2010, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Yes Mr Axelrod you may have enough votes to pass Obamacare, but sir I guarantee you come November 2010 you will lose control of the House and probably the Senate. So you better gloat while you can because you and your Democratic party buddies will be in the unemployment line. A TEA party member.

Posted by: 312capri | March 14, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am

I wonder who’s the “america has spoken” they talking about, nobody has asked if I want health care or not!!
Which I would love to have, I wonder why is it so hard for “America” to join the rest of the world and not give but offer their citizens decent or some kind of health care without one having to choose to either pay the mortgage or health insurance, I wouldn’t mind paying a hundred or two a month. I’m 53 yr old woman without insurance, I have some issues which I take care by myself thanking god I live close to the border and can see a doc and buy meds without breaking the bank. Same medicines as the US same labs…
All I can think is that this country promotes being indigent so you can have health insurace and “use the greatest and best health care in the world” which to this time I haven’t, and I also thank god I haven’t been cushioning insurance companies with my poor earn dollars.
So to all politicians, before you say “America has spoken” ask around, just in my office there are 5 employees with no health insurance…if any of us get sick we’ll have to go to the hospital and at the end the gov’t will end paying…so I guess I’ll have to wait until it becomes an emergency to take care of whatever ails me, instead of trying to fix it and the bill is cheaper…but go figure out the damm politicians…let the health care pass, and if America wants to pay it, get it, use it or not then that will be your choice, I will buy it, use it and prevent any illnesses that will ail me.
I’m sick and tire of all the obstacles you all throw, if it’s not one thing is another…Choice is the word, give me the choice!!

Posted by: Gaby | March 14, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Healthcare is a right. Every American deserves that right. I’d rather spend my tax money on healthcare then on the Bush/Hussein/Bin Laden “family fight.”

Posted by: JayAndersonJr | March 14, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Jake, it would be very nice if you would ask him why they are voting on something that the majority of the American people DON’T WANT.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | March 14, 2010, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Whatsgoigonhere, that number was considerbly higher until the repubs started lying about death panels, ad insuring illegal aleins and so on. People changed their mind because of the lies that were spewed.

Posted by: JayAndersonJr | March 14, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Gaby, choice is not the word, money is.

Posted by: cindy | March 14, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am

This fight for Government-controlled healthcare is against not only the people of America, but against the people’s freedom under the constitution. Government should be working on a plan to help Americans reduce the costs of healthcare without reducing us to slavery. They could start by reducing taxes on healthcare companies who reduce costs to patients, and they could reduce our personal taxes as well. If that is something they can’t figure out, I still choose freedom.

Posted by: Daniel Martinusen | March 14, 2010, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Yes Mr Axelrod you may have enough votes to pass Obamacare, but sir I guarantee you come November 2010 you will lose control of the House and probably the Senate. So you better gloat while you can because you and your Democratic party buddies will be in the unemployment line. A TEA party member.
Posted by: 312capri | Mar 14, 2010 10:19:17 AM
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Keep dreaming. It’s only natural to lose seats once you gain such a large control, but the right wing nutcases will never run this country again.

Posted by: jayandersonjr | March 14, 2010, 10:27 am 10:27 am

if you check actual poles and not right-wing big insurance supporting republican fanbois like fox news you will find that about 70% of america WANTS universal health care. I have been to various places in Europe including england and I have visited Canada several times… I scratch my head when fellow Americans put down these nations health care systems because None of the “stories” i hear from them seem to pan out with what I have seen and what I know from family and friends using these universal systems. In Canada alone they are using very effective diabetes treatments that are NOT available in America because the insulin manufacturers lobby the FDA and pressure them not to approve it (1 shot per 5-7 years vs 3 shots of insulin a day = big losses for drug companies) this happens all the time in Americas pay-for-your-pulse health care system. Capitalism had its fun and corporate America saw to it that many poor people died early of avoidable and treatable health problems and lets face it, Capitalism is JUST as corrupt as any other government because it all boils down to people looking out for themselves and mowing down anyone in their way. I regret to inform you that Life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness has the word LIFE in it… when I think of the right to life I think of living as long as possible and therefore healthcare comes to mind. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO HEALTHCARE!

Posted by: Frank | March 14, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Naw… 40% chance… maybe!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | March 14, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am

. Most Americans want health care reform but WE DO NOT WANT A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF 1/5 OF THE US ECONOMY.
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which is why the plan that will be passes is NOT a socialist government takeover of 1/5 of the economy. LOL. It is a centrist reasonable plan that addresses access, affordability, and cost.
The disinformation continues.
Please see Paul Krugman’s unpacking and debunking of “Health Care Myths” at NYT.
the current system is unsustainable. Its time to do something. The Republicans had a decade to propose something– anything– to solve the chronic problem. They buried their heads in the sand. They have no credibility on the topic.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 14, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am

Tapper why arent you asking and demanding transparency with the arm twisting and back room deals that will be going on this week. After all didnt obama and pelosi promise this would be the most transparent administration? Just more lies coming from this corrupt president.

Posted by: Pinochio | March 14, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am

Ten percent of Americans are out of work. What makes these politicians think that what we want is a two tier healthcare system costing us billions? If Obama-care were so good, then the President, Congress and the Unions would drop their plan and join Obama-care. The correction for all of this will be made in November.

Posted by: Albert Friday | March 14, 2010, 10:35 am 10:35 am

I get the feeling that a lot of the republicans who are scared about the nation collapsing because of health care reform are the same people who went out and bought guns and built bunkers for the Y2K switch. Do you people even get tired or bored from being scared all the time of everything?

Posted by: Scott | March 14, 2010, 10:43 am 10:43 am

Gabby: So you want to pay a hundred or two a month for health care? So you want the doctors the hospital workers and pharma to give you everything for free? Would you want to spend eight or more years and endure the costs of education and not be able to be paid a fair wage? Or be a nurse for minimum wage? What about the cost to maintain a hospital and equipment? You are either living in a utopia world or want other people to pay for your medical care. My guess you want other people to pay for you and that is the problem with this bill working people are going to have to pay for you. Is that fair to the working people trying to make it to be burdened paying for you too? There are places like Pakistan that pay their doctors a couple hundred dollars a month and where you can get that type of medical care.

Posted by: Janet D | March 14, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am

People who support this bill by saying “everyone deserves healthcare” fail to realize the full picture. Most of those uninsured already get Healthcare through emergency rooms. They don’t pay their bills but get the service they need. Seniors who are already on Medicare (your universal coverage) are NOT getting what they need and can generally not afford the meds and services they need. What makes you think universal coverage is going to be any different? Remember, 85% of americans are covered. And don’t forget, the government Medicare program IS already far too expensive, they have distroyed Doctor practices (that and malpractice) and it doesn’t work for those who need it the most.

Posted by: Nancy | March 14, 2010, 10:45 am 10:45 am

What Government Healthcare program is cost effective and saves money? It isn’t Medicare, Medicaid, the VA or Prescription Drug Plan. The government needs to prove to us it can correct these plans first before moving on to spending trillions.

Posted by: Albert Friday | March 14, 2010, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Ray Lahood is about as conservative and fiscally responsible as Obama!

Posted by: cindy | March 14, 2010, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Axelrod is an idiot. He didn’t answer any of the questions, he had a pre-planned avoidance of the issues. He couldn’t even answer whether or not the pork would come out of the bill! YES, we want some kind of reform but not this massive bill that no one fully understands. Put it together from scratch with high impact individual bills that actually reduce the cost of health insurance with no impact on OUR taxes or deficit, period.

Posted by: Nancy | March 14, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Posted by: Scott | Mar 14, 2010 10:43:18 AM
“I get the feeling that a lot of the republicans who are scared about the nation collapsing because of health care reform are the same people who went out and bought guns and built bunkers for the Y2K switch. ”
Gee, Scott. Have any more “feelings” toward other arbitrary issues?

Posted by: reginaldL | March 14, 2010, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Ray Lahood is about as conservative and fiscally responsible as Obama!
Posted by: cindy | Mar 14, 2010 10:48:56 AM
I agree that most Republicans are neither, but those who vote for them don’t really get that. Dems have a much better record on fiscal responsibility. Dems also better understand the links between health care and the economy, as well as education, jobs and competitive edge.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 14, 2010, 10:53 am 10:53 am

To those of you blaming the repubs, are you silly? It’s the dems not passing and/or worried about passing this bill! Something is wrong if they can’t get their own party to vote the way they want without having to strong arm them with promises and more pork. Get real.

Posted by: Nancy | March 14, 2010, 10:54 am 10:54 am

I believe in the Right to Life too, but that doesn’t mean Free health care. Our health insurance would not be so expensive if we didn’t have to pay for every illegal alien getting free health care here in the U.S. This is a much more serious problem than our government wishes to discuss, yet no one is addressing this reason for higher health care costs. They should become a legal U.S. citizen and begin pulling your own weight for a change. This goes for all the healthy, capable freeloaders dining on our society while talking on their I-phones and Blackberries.

Posted by: Tank | March 14, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Why not have universal food, water and shelter then? How about clothing? That’s pretty important, no? And what about legal representation and transportation? No need to talk about jobs anymore.

Posted by: Gimme GovmintCheese | March 14, 2010, 10:58 am 10:58 am

I am an RN who cannot understand why ANYONE would want the healthcare offerred by this bill. AN AGENCY person with no healthcare knowledge will determine the care received by any given individual. I personally want my physician determining that, along with my wishes. This will cease with this bill, except for the choice few who can opt out. That will be the vast MINORITY of people receiving care. ONLY those on Medicaid will get it free, Medicare you still pay some. Everyone else will pay and pay and pay.
So who is selfish? Those who want it for free who are CAPABLE of paying but want a handout. Health insurance is NOT a RIGHT, but a privilege….it is a crock to think anyone has a RIGHT to healthcare. We ALL want it of course, but we don’t have a right to it. I see people every day, I mean everyday on Medicaid who drive far better cars than I do, dress far fancier than I do, and have new laptops, iphones, and I wonder how in the world do they do it? They can pay for the fancy pretties but not for healthcare. Where are priorities and responsibilities?????

Posted by: Eileen Phucas | March 14, 2010, 11:01 am 11:01 am

Jobs are going gone, manufacturing and service industries, even the government has outsourced some of its jobs, health care has been outsourced in some instances, sending billing and people to have their procedures done overseas…so those hardworking citizens complaining about those who aren’t working, lets see if your job is next in line in being axed…the majority of people want to work, re-education is one possibility but not all people are rocket scientist geniuses…am so sick and tired of this mantra of working for others mentality, especially when I see those working at McDonalds after their unemployment benefits ran out…hmm, the middle class is going…poverty increasing…neither party can help…how many times has one heard that those jobs are not returning…the damage is done…

Posted by: phantomniter | March 14, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am

This information was pulled from the article in the “Investor’s Business Daily.” It provides some very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization..
Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%
Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%
Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71%
England 14%
Canada 18%
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in “excellent health”:
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%
I don’t know about you, but I don’t want “Universal Healthcare” comparable to England or Canada .

Posted by: Nancy | March 14, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want “Universal Healthcare” comparable to England or Canada .
Posted by: Nancy | Mar 14, 2010 11:03:39
Comparable programs aren’t on the table here– so get real, indeed. Read the bill and Obama’s proposal of fixes. Also take a look at a wider range of illnesses in comparison with France and Switzerland. And figure in cost and overutilization.
Also, take a look at medical inflation and premium trend lines. the status quo isn’t sustainable and a vast majority of Americans recognize the need for health care reform, something Republicans have been wholly unwilling to tackle. I admire the tenacity of the Democrats when it comes to dealing with chronic issues that affect the economy and the security of all Americans.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 14, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am

I think anyone who wants FREE health care should get it….with 1 stipulation!!!! In order to receive free health care, you must pass a monthly drug screen. Anyone with illegal substances found would automatically be terminated from coverage and never again be eligible to receive coverage. That’s a fair way to do it, but most of the uninsured would remain uninsured, and most of the people currently on Medicaid, would lose their coverage. Every government entitlement program should require drug screening. I have to pass a drug screen in order to work and pay taxes, so they should have to pass a drug screen before they can collect the benefits I work to provide. Can I get an AMEN!

Posted by: bo | March 14, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am

What’s worse?
Posted by: Nancy | Mar 14, 2010 11:07:30 AM
Those duped by the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdock and the insurance lobby. Those who put forth a selfish, greedy ideology. Those that exploit fears, and the exploited that embrace it.
the status quo is unsustainable. I admire those willing to tackle chronic problems. I don’t admire obstruction in the name of sour grapes and power grabs. Nor do I admire wholly owned subsidiaries of special interests.
We need health care reform. The vast majority of Americans recognize that.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 14, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am

You don’t fix something by choosing “what is there because there is nothing else to choose from”.
So I pick arsenic instead of sweetener for my coffee because it is there?
ABSURD.
You fix something by DOING THE RIGHT THINGS TO FIX IT!!!!!

Posted by: Eileen Phucas | March 14, 2010, 11:12 am 11:12 am

Nancy, LOL, you are referring to those who sought any medical treatment, who initially had gone to the physician based upon complaint, referring to those on cadillac plans in the U.S, those numbers are significantly lower when taken in account those who are knowingly under insured or lack coverage…death statistics are much higher in the U.S., and besides, take the universal plan in Germany over Canadian and English style any day…

Posted by: phantomniter | March 14, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Also, take a look at medical inflation and premium trend lines. the status quo isn’t sustainable and a vast majority of Americans recognize the need for health care reform, something Republicans have been wholly unwilling to tackle. I admire the tenacity of the Democrats when it comes to dealing with chronic issues that affect the economy and the security of all Americans.
Posted by: progressive mama | Mar 14, 2010 11:08:21 AM
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So not true, repubs have proposed many changes to healthcare that have not been adopted or even considered by the dems. However, dems don’t agree – you can’t blame this on repubs. Universal health care is not ever going to work in the US. All those countries you quote – citizens still need private health insurance even though they pay a huge percentage of taxes toward national insurance, their doctors are NOT paid much more than ordinary jobs, they all have limits on malpractice (which has been proposed by repubs and knocked down by dems) and WE americans have many more life style issues (such as obesity) than do those countries.

Posted by: Nancy | March 14, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am

progressive mama….expecting people to be self reliant instead of relying on the government teat is not selfish greedy ideology. Your name says it all…..progressive…..take from those that work and give to those that don’t. I’d bet you are in the latter category.

Posted by: bo | March 14, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am

What Mr. Axelrod said the American people agree with is correct and might only be one page. What are the other thousands of pages on healthcare, we the American people disagree with, get rid of them and approve it. Makes sence to all.

Posted by: Michael | March 14, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am

To: BIGObigo
1. Why doesn’t the United States have universal health care as a right of citizenship? The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee access to health care as a right of citizenship. 28 industrialized nations have single payer universal health care systems, while 1 (Germany) has a multipayer universal health care system like President Clinton proposed for the United States.
2. Myth One: The United States has the best health care system in the world.
* Fact One: The United States ranks 23rd in infant mortality, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990
* Fact Two: The United States ranks 20th in life expectancy for women down from 1st in 1945 and 13th in 1960
* Fact Three: The United States ranks 21st in life expectancy for men down from 1st in 1945 and 17th in 1960.
* Fact Four: The United States ranks between 50th and 100th in immunizations depending on the immunization. Overall US is 67th, right behind Botswana
* Fact Five: Outcome studies on a variety of diseases, such as coronary artery disease, and renal failure show the United States to rank below Canada and a wide variety of industrialized nations.
* Conclusion: The United States ranks poorly relative to other industrialized nations in health care despite having the best trained health care providers and the best medical infrastructure of any industrialized nation
3. Myth Two: Universal Health Care Would Be Too Expensive
* Fact One: The United States spends at least 40% more per capita on health care than any other industrialized country with universal health care
* Fact Two: Federal studies by the Congressional Budget Office and the General Accounting office show that single payer universal health care would save 100 to 200 Billion dollars per year despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits.
* Fact Three: State studies by Massachusetts and Connecticut have shown that single payer universal health care would save 1 to 2 Billion dollars per year from the total medical expenses in those states despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits
* Fact Four: The costs of health care in Canada as a % of GNP, which were identical to the United States when Canada changed to a single payer, universal health care system in 1971, have increased at a rate much lower than the United States, despite the US economy being much stronger than Canada’s.
* Conclusion: Single payer universal health care costs would be lower than the current US system due to lower administrative costs. The United States spends 50 to 100% more on administration than single payer systems. By lowering these administrative costs the United States would have the ability to provide universal health care, without managed care, increase benefits and still save money
4. Myth Three: Universal Health Care Would Deprive Citizens of Needed Services
* Fact One: Studies reveal that citizens in universal health care systems have more doctor visits and more hospital days than in the US
* Fact Two: Around 30% of Americans have problem accessing health care due to payment problems or access to care, far more than any other industrialized country. About 17% of our population is without health insurance. About 75% of ill uninsured people have trouble accessing/paying for health care.
* Fact Three: Comparisons of Difficulties Accessing Care Are Shown To Be Greater In The US Than Canada (see graph)
* Fact Four: Access to health care is directly related to income and race in the United States. As a result the poor and minorities have poorer health than the wealthy and the whites.
* Fact Five: There would be no lines under a universal health care system in the United States because we have about a 30% oversupply of medical equipment and surgeons, whereas demand would increase about 15%
* Conclusion: The US denies access to health care based on the ability to pay. Under a universal health care system all would access care. There would be no lines as in other industrialized countries due to the oversupply in our providers and infrastructure, and the willingness/ability of the United States to spend more on health care than other industrialized nations.
5. Myth Four: Universal Health Care Would Result In Government Control And Intrusion Into Health Care Resulting In Loss Of Freedom Of Choice
* Fact One: There would be free choice of health care providers under a single payer universal health care system, unlike our current managed care system in which people are forced to see providers on the insurer’s panel to obtain medical benefits
* Fact Two: There would be no management of care under a single payer, universal health care system unlike the current managed care system which mandates insurer preapproval for services thus undercutting patient confidentiality and taking health care decisions away from the health care provider and consumer
* Fact Three: Although health care providers fees would be set as they are currently in 90% of cases, providers would have a means of negotiating fees unlike the current managed care system in which they are set in corporate board rooms with profits, not patient care, in mind
* Fact Four: Taxes, fees and benefits would be decided by the insurer which would be under the control of a diverse board representing consumers, providers, business and government. It would not be a government controlled system, although the government would have to approve the taxes. The system would be run by a public trust, not the government.
* Conclusion: Single payer, universal health care administered by a state public health system would be much more democratic and much less intrusive than our current system. Consumers and providers would have a voice in determining benefits, rates and taxes. Problems with free choice, confidentiality and medical decision making would be resolved
6. Myth Five: Universal Health Care Is Socialized Medicine And Would Be Unacceptable To The Public
* Fact One: Single payer universal health care is not socialized medicine. It is health care payment system, not a health care delivery system. Health care providers would be in fee for service practice, and would not be employees of the government, which would be socialized medicine. Single payer health care is not socialized medicine, any more than the public funding of education is socialized education, or the public funding of the defense industry is socialized defense.
* Fact Two: Repeated national and state polls have shown that between 60 and 75% of Americans would like a universal health care system (see The Harris Poll #78, October 20, 2005)
* Conclusion: Single payer, universal health care is not socialized medicine and would be preferred by the majority of the citizens of this country
7. Myth Six: The Problems With The US Health Care System Are Being Solved and Are Best Solved By Private Corporate Managed Care Medicine because they are the most efficient
* Fact One: Private for profit corporation are the lease efficient deliverer of health care. They spend between 20 and 30% of premiums on administration and profits. The public sector is the most efficient. Medicare spends 3% on administration.
* Fact Two: The same procedure in the same hospital the year after conversion from not-for profit to for-profit costs in between 20 to 35% more
* Fact Three: Health care costs in the United States grew more in the United States under managed care in 1990 to 1996 than any other industrialized nation with single payer universal health care
* Fact Four: The quality of health care in the US has deteriorated under managed care. Access problems have increased. The number of uninsured has dramatically increased (increase of 10 million to 43.4 million from 1989 to 1996, increase of 2.4% from 1989 to 1996- 16% in 1996 and increasing each year).
* Fact Five: The level of satisfaction with the US health care system is the lowest of any industrialized nation.
* Fact Six: 80% of citizens and 71% of doctors believe that managed care has caused quality of care to be compromised
* Conclusion: For profit, managed care can not solve the US health care problems because health care is not a commodity that people shop for, and quality of care must always be compromised when the motivating factor for corporations is to save money through denial of care and decreasing provider costs. In addition managed care has introduced problems of patient confidentiality and disrupted the continuity of care through having limited provider networks.

Posted by: Frank | March 14, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Anyone who says this health bill will save money is either crazy or lying. If it is passed, remember this when you live with the truth in a few years and hear the “OOPS”…
To really put a crimp in fraud, anyone who collects from or participates in government( TAXPAYER!) funded programs should have to give their fingerprints. (Sorry if people whine that this would be demeaning — people who work often have to have background-checks and random drug tests. If we have to do it, the people we have to pay for should have to give a little too.)

Posted by: Morisot | March 14, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am

When do we the American people speak up. Who is organizing the rally’s on the Health Care reform side. Insurance costs are skyrocketing and we sit back allowing paid healthcare lobbyist to throw away the American future proclaiming they represent the American people. Why does it always have to hit the fan before we will act. I am so tired of siding with a party that will not stick together and does not support it’s officials in a fire fight. Illegal aliens taking up healthcare is not anywhere near a complete fix it is a diversion to keep healthcare companies charging up to 5 times more than what they need to charge in other high standard Healthcare systems. Healthcare companies are greedy and willing to send Americans into a downward spiral in order to keep making undeserved profits. Please wake up my friends, it doesn’t just affect a White house, our lack of action will affect our grand kids. Anyone who says this president has let them down is not being sincere. The reality is we let him down and are not holding up the peoples end of the bargain.

Posted by: Paid lobbyist don't speak for me | March 14, 2010, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Amen! Time for people to take personal responsibility!

Posted by: frank | March 14, 2010, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Health Care is arbitrary?

Posted by: Scott | March 14, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am

We need health care reform. The vast majority of Americans recognize that.
Posted by: progressive mama | Mar 14, 2010 11:11:46 AM
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Right, we do indeed need health care reform of some sort. Unfortunately this travesty of a bill that the Democrats are about to ram down our throats has nothing to do with reform. This partisan bill creates over 100 new federal agencies, is loaded with bribes and backroom deals and is overwhelmingly disapproved by the American people. This is not reform. It’s an unmitigated disaster.

Posted by: Woody | March 14, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am

A HUGE AMEN!!!!
I have to go through random drug screens once in a while where I work. I handle narcotics every day and would never partake…I get the shivers thinking about it. There SHOULD be a few requirements to get something FREE!!!
Last week a patient’s family was fussing because medicaid takes too long to approve equipment for home…IT IS FREE, it is not like they pay for any insurance!!!!! OR the equipment!!!!

Posted by: Eileen Phucas | March 14, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am

progressive mama said: “I admire the tenacity of the Democrats when it comes to dealing with chronic issues that affect the economy and the security of all Americans.”
The keyword in your sentence is tenacity. In other words, they keep trying. Unfortunately, what you fail to acknowledge is that they are trying all of the policies that don’t work (raising taxes, taking over banks, car companies, propping up failing organizations, supporting corrupt groups), unless you are an Oppressive-Progressive Democrat-Socialist.

Posted by: Gimme GovmintCheese | March 14, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Progressive Mama
We need health care reform. The vast majority of Americans recognize that.
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Yes, I doubt you would find 1% of americans saying we don’t need any reforms. You are right. That is not the issue. The issue is doing it RIGHT, this current bill is not RIGHT. You talk the talk and blame everyone who doesn’t agree with YOU. Do you know what is actually in the bill they are trying to force through? The one you support so wholeheartedly! NO, neither do they. That’s the problem. The point is do it RIGHT the first time and don’t cram this bill down everyone’s throats just for a political statement to say “YES, we dems did it” or more likely for obama to say “I did it!”.

Posted by: Nancy | March 14, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am

I view ABC, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox. And everyone says something different. My $ 50.00 every 2 weeks for healthcare cost will jump to $ 3400.00 per year. Yes: I like this mandated heathcare. I love it so much, that now I’m looking forward to 12% of my yearly salary going to pay for my health. And 23% going to taxes. And when I apply for a home or car to buy, Which I never had a problem, soon will be. So this takes away my personal freedom, and choice. But mostly, my spending habits. I can no longer afford to by anything. The banks won’t loan me anything. So I guess I won’t need them anymore. I just as well grow a garden. I won’t be able to afford food. Oh, I almost forgot: My company made a gross profit of $ 9700.00 and my taxes are $ 4300.00 ( No Lie ) So were closing it in 2010. Why you ask? because taxes for small business’s shot up in 2009. I didn’t have any tax breaks, and there going up. Until, and I repeat, until anyone owns their own business, they will never understand what is being taken away from me. My chance to grow, prosper, gain, and choice. This isn’t about the President, this is about freedom. It’s being taken away. Will I fight for it? Yes I will. Will I come back? Yes: Stronger than ABC, CNN, or MSNBC. And I’m only one of millions that will remember who stated the truth. Get ready everyone. Dependents or Independents will be Independence.

Posted by: Jim | March 14, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Man, I hope he’s just blowing smoke in an attempt to make it look like it’s a done deal to wavering House Democrats. This bill violates the fundamental rule of medicine, “First Do No Harm”. Whlie, there is a health care problem in America; this bill will only make things worse.

Posted by: BubblerDad | March 14, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Frank, in answer to your question….Why doesn’t the United States have universal health care as a right of citizenship?…..It’s a thing called the CONSTITUTION. I know you don’t like what it says, but universal healthcare is not in it. Our founding fathers expected people to be self relaint, with a small government. Unfortunately, liberals and progressives have for many years been trying to pass a socialist agenda and have successfully implemented many many entitlement programs. They won’t be satisfied until they control every aspect of our lives. If you have any questions about what “rights” you actually have….try reading the constitution.

Posted by: BIGObigo@hotmail.com | March 14, 2010, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Just pick a small weak country to attack and spend billions overseas, and the Reublicans will jump up to spend billions and nobody complains. Unbudgetd for Billions were borrowed from China and spent in IRAQ rebuilding was was damaged based on WMD lies-the Republicans never raised a voice. Shame on you Repblicans for once the goverment is doing something for odinary American and you are jumping up in your antsy pants.
Vote Sarah Palin to power so that she can declear war on IRAN and run to uncle China, borrow more and spend with Republicans smiling. They are not smiling now, and the average voter can see that. You Republicans can’t fool us anymore come November.

Posted by: JOACHAM | March 14, 2010, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Yes Axelrod, you and obama might have enough vote to pass the bribery laden health care reform through arm twisting and intimidation…
In my book and that is illegal, border to criminality and blatant abuse of power….
morallity and fairness doesn’t exist in Obama’s administrations vocabulary…. it is all about winning at all cost…. even if it meant using all the tactics used by Hugo Chavez, Castro, Idi Amin, Marcos, Mugabe, Fugimori, Khadaffy, Saddam and many more.
Hey, Mr President….. Hugo Chavez’s book must have given you the insight on how to circumvent america’s will…
Obama’s next target…to weaken the US military… HE CAN’T WAIT TO DO THAT…. JUST WAIT!!!! thats next

Posted by: graymatter | March 14, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am

You think this bill is great?? JUST WAIT! We ..the American people, are less than one month away from CASH FOR APPLIANCES..the exciting new program where one set of Americans gives money to another set of Americans to buy new fridges, ovens, air conditioners, washers, waterheaters..up to $1,500 per household.(plus an extra $75 if you toss your old appliance away) gee… .. What will people do when the Washington wishing well runs dry????

Posted by: cindy | March 14, 2010, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Just pick a small weak country to attack and spend billions overseas, and the Reublicans will jump up to spend billions and nobody complains. Unbudgetd for Billions were borrowed from China and spent in IRAQ rebuilding was was damaged based on WMD lies-the Republicans never raised a voice. Shame on you Repblicans for once the goverment is doing something for odinary American and you are jumping up in your antsy pants.
Vote Sarah Palin to power so that she can declear war on IRAN and run to uncle China, borrow more and spend with Republicans smiling. They are not smiling now, and the average voter can see that. You Republicans can’t fool us anymore come November.
Posted by: JOACHAM | Mar 14, 2010 11:26:32 AM
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Why do you people make this about dems vs. repubs – THIS IS YOUR FUTURE at stake and YOUR childrens future. Maybe Obama is right and the majority of Americans are stupid and believe everything they hear. This bill, as is, WILL destroy three of the last remaining industries in the US that employ US citizens, Healthcare Industry, Insurance Industry and Medical Technology.

Posted by: Nancy | March 14, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am

Asking an ignorant question is foolish, repeating that ignorant question is insanity.
There are no American troops in Jerusalem. Implying that territorial debates in Israel and Palestine are provoking attacks on American troops thousands of miles away in Afghanistan demonstrates Mr. Tapper’s appalling naiveté

Posted by: Dnman | March 14, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am

BIGObigo wrote:
Frank, in answer to your question….Why doesn’t the United States have universal health care as a right of citizenship?…..It’s a thing called the CONSTITUTION.
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Citizens of the USA are required to have schooling. That’s not in the Constitution.
Broadcasters of certain radio waves are required to have Federal licenses. That’s not in the Constitution.
Etc. Etc.
The point is that the Founding Fathers knew that there would be “progress” in the future and left enough flexibility in the Constitution to handle it. The “Commerce Clause” has been understood to mean that if one state’s actions would put its citizens at a disadvantage to another, the Federal Government may intervene.
I could say “I know you don’t like it,” but I don’t pretend to speak for others and put words in their mouths like you do.
So, for example, Maryland has a tremendous economic advantage over West Virginia because nearly all of MD’s citizens have health insurance and Marylanders enjoy fewer work days missed, better health, longer lives, and greater productivity. To remedy that, the Federal Government may step in to address the inequality – like requiring health insurance for all.

Posted by: The_Mick | March 14, 2010, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Keep dreaming. It’s only natural to lose seats once you gain such a large control, but the right wing nutcases will never run this country again.
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Nut case? you meant the third world mental of Obama… He is the NUTCASE…
anytime you circumvent the will of the people then you become the moron…
people like you who support this Hugo Chavez style leadership reminded me of Nazi people who supported Hitler’s destruction of the Jewish people…
KRemember the KRISTALLNACHT… Blaming the Jewish for the suffering of the Germany’s ills… Mirror’s that of blaming America’s rich, middle class ofor the ill will of the poor of America

Posted by: graymatter | March 14, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am

progressive mama: “Those that exploit fears, and the exploited that embrace it.”
Obama talks about doctors who remove body parts and limbs just to make a buck. He vilifies those “evil insurance companies” who make a staggering … 2% to 3% profit. He uses a discredited statistic that 45,000 people die each year because they don’t have insurance (based on a Harvard study from around 1987/88 which determined that if anyone who didn’t have insurance that year, and they died during any subsequent year, they did not have insurance and they died because they did not have insurance).
What Obama fails to mention is that only the taxes kick in right away – the free gov’mint cheese doesn’t begin until years later. So, using his own statistic, he is willing to let over 100,000 people die before their benefits begin.
“the status quo is unsustainable. I admire those willing to tackle chronic problems. I don’t admire obstruction in the name of sour grapes and power grabs. Nor do I admire wholly owned subsidiaries of special interests.”
You’re a walking book of talking-points. Dear Leader would be proud of you.

Posted by: Gimme GovmintCheese | March 14, 2010, 11:42 am 11:42 am

I can’t believe I voted for Obama. I feel like a fool. He has to bribe his own party to vote for a bill that is not in America’s best interest and he’s bringing our deficit to insanely high levels! Shame on me for being so blind.

Posted by: FeelingFoolish | March 14, 2010, 11:48 am 11:48 am

phantomniter said: “death statistics are much higher in the U.S., and besides, take the universal plan in Germany over Canadian and English style any day”
Are you basing your “death statistics” on the WHO or the UN? If so I will refer you to the unraveling lies emanating from the IPCC with regard to climate change.
But here’s a thought: Let’s tell all of the ungrateful countries, starting with Germany or France, to protect their own borders.
Think of all the money we would could spend on health care.

Posted by: Gimme GovmintCheese | March 14, 2010, 11:48 am 11:48 am

mr The_Mick
Schooling is not a right…it is a law
Having a radio station is not a right…
but there is a law saying what you need to do to have one…
Having health care is not a right…but there most likely be a law…a bad one…giving health care to those who CAN and should pay for it and taxpayers will pay for it for others, and then pay for healthcare for themselves at a very high cost. Is that fair? I have rights too….I should not have to pay for someone else who can pay!!! I see people on medicaid, because they did not get married so they can have medicaid, yet they live in a relationship with someone who can pay for insurance, but doesn’t. Those who really need it, fine. But I SEE THIS EVERY DAY. It is reality, not just someone pontificating about what they hear from someone.
1. Fix healthcare correctly, it does not have to be a burden on everyone.
2. We really do need healthcare reform, but it needs to come from those who KNOW about it, not from those who do not.
3. Something this large and that will have such an impact on everyone needs to be done like an amendment…every state needs to ratify this. We are citizens of the USA, not minions of the Congress…

Posted by: Eileen Phucas | March 14, 2010, 11:52 am 11:52 am

You’re a walking book of talking-points. Dear Leader would be proud of you.
Posted by: Gimme GovmintCheese | Mar 14, 2010 11:42:13 AM
And you’re a walking book of disinformation, a great example of exactly what I was talking about as there is no government takeover– and while the exchanges and the mandate won’t take effect immediately, access to high risk pools, insurance reforms and several measures to increase coverage will.
Get informed. It doesn’t hurt- though it may force an opening of the mind.
Meanwhile, the status quo is unsustainable. Feel free to try to prove otherwise with numbers and facts. LOL.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 14, 2010, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Its easy to undo things that obama passes but its hard to undo the people that voted for this scum bag.next time think before you vote and dont listen to the B.S

Posted by: Hank Blaylock | March 14, 2010, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Posted by: Woody | Mar 14, 2010 11:20:00 AM
Nice usage of fearmongering terms. I met some reasonable libertarians at a Coffee Party (alternate to tea) yesterday. They’re sick of the ginned up rhetoric. And they’re able to speak intelligently about the bill without it.
go figure.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 14, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am

People who don’t like this bill are:
1. Repub or insurance industry spokepersons
2. Completely uninformed
There is not other option, but it could be both

Posted by: Patrick Thompson | March 14, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am

I feel betrayed. I grew up in NYC and have been a Democrat my entire voting life. I’ve always been so proud of my country, even the government, which I know can be corrupt to some extent. I grew up believing that we were the greatest country in the world. I believed we were different because we have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom in general–and checks and balances. This whole process of trying to pass this humongous bill without the support of the people or the congress is a disgrace to our country. I’ve never been more ashamed of my country.

Posted by: FeelingFoolish | March 14, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

I am thoroughly sick of spin and half truths and that’s all you seem to get from Obama’s mouthpieces.
If they just passed the pieces of the legislation that the folks in “the polls” liked I’m sure the bill would be under 20 pages.

Posted by: wow | March 14, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Have we heard this before? LOL Why do we want this again? Everything in this bill is a trick. IT wont reduce cost in fact its going to be a HUGE middle class tax increase. NOT directly NO buy indirectly. We will have ALL our health care costs GO UP because this BILL does not reduce costs it just shoves mandates and costs to US the middle class indirectly.
The rich will go to pay for clinics and no longer buy insurance because it wont make financial sense. Your employer who is already STRAINED to help pay for your health care will DROP their care or just pass the entire increase to YOU. ARE you feeling like you make enough MONEY? Or do you feel BROKE like me. TAXES FEES indirect payments to the federal government and in the end your health care will be worse and you will be paying MORE. STOP THIS SHAMEFUL financial and liberty grab.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | March 14, 2010, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

It is too bad that Washington runs this way. How each representative of the Congress votes should always be a question every time. Today, 90% of the votes are known before anyone comes up with a bill. We need to begin replacing Congressmen as often as necessary. Most states do not have to wait to get rid of someone, they have what is known as ‘recall’. New slogan across American. Keep replacing bad politicians.

Posted by: James L. | March 14, 2010, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

10 years of revenue thru tax and Medicare cuts and 6 years of benefit payout…DOESN’T ANYONE SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS MATH!!!!!

Posted by: free_dude | March 14, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

This is not the bill that the polls addressed and that the Senate approved. The bill has been changed. So instead of saying, “let’s see what’s in it (and not in it anymore)” opponents are camping on the polls that condemned the carve outs that are no longer there. The polls are now invalid, but the drumbeat of corrupted corporate interests opposed to HC reform continues.

Posted by: justanotheropinion123 | March 14, 2010, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

As a Senator, Obama complained about bills that are too long. Nowadays, he’s perfectly fine with 1000+ page Stimulus and 2700+ page Health Care. Change is definitely here…

Posted by: free_dude | March 14, 2010, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Just can’t wait to lose more of our freedoms in this country, its coming…

Posted by: midwestflyover | March 14, 2010, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

justanotheropinion123: Why is it that Special Intestest…including Health lobbyists are giving more $ to Dems then Repubs? So which party is in the pocket of them?

Posted by: free_dude | March 14, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

justanotheropinion123: Why is it that Special Intestest…including Health lobbyists are giving more $ to Dems then Repubs? So which party is in the pocket of them?

Posted by: free_dude | March 14, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

free_dude…let me tell you something. If you believe that, then I know you have not paid attention to politics much at all over the past 30 years. Maybe you are not even that old. But when the top 3 Republicans of Boehner, Cantor and McConnell pull down aprroximately $1.5 million between the three of them…I don’t see your point. Maybe you need to check an “unbiased” sorce for your info.

Posted by: CND FOX | March 14, 2010, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

The Chamber of Commerce spent over $100 million to fight against health care reform. Do you think they care about your health or well being? No, they care about profit and bonuses. Wake up. Stop being taken for a fool by Wall Street.

Posted by: ahumbleopinion | March 14, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

obama is in the mold of Hugo Chavez of venezuela… He is following the script Chavez advise him to do….
how do I know? remember the book chavez book and obama embrassingly accepted as a token gift….
America!!! wake up and smell the rotting flesh…. Obama read books that are socially radical and follows only the people of the same liberal backwardness…
Obama has thick skin and will not budged because he realized that he had been exposed….
Bird of the same feather flocks together..
OBAMA VOTERS : YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE SMELLED HIM MILES AWAY…. I DID AND DIDN’T VOTE FOR THIS SWEET TALKING SALESMAN…
OBAMA: “SALESMAN OF THE YEAR” he can sell you (those who voted for this loser) YUGO for the prize of Mercedez….
sayonara…..

Posted by: graymatter | March 14, 2010, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

HUMBLE!! Obama won’t allow the re-importation of drugs..do you think HE cares about your healthcare??

Posted by: cindy | March 14, 2010, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

Nasty ole private system! Take away from those who work and share the wealth? And you say we’re not on a path to socialism?

Posted by: Zeke | March 14, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

In my “This Week” interview, Axelrod said he believes “that we’ll be there at the end of the day.” He added that the end of this process, which has gone on for more than a year, is near. “I believe it is going to happen this week,” Axelrod said.
Bull. They don’t have the votes, and they never have. If the votes were there, this bill would have been passed a year ago. Think about it… what have we heard repeatedly during the healthcare bill battle? People are dying every minute because of lack of healthcare insurance, the system is broken and robbing people of money with premium increases, insurance companies get richer by the day with enormous profits (which we have found to be not so enormous compared to other industries), and so on.
And yet, a healthcare overhaul reform bill has not been passed for a YEAR. Does that not tell them something? It tells me two things: 1)The American public is well aware of the problems with healthcare, but that doesn’t mean we want federal government intervention. 2)The Obama administration have worked themselves into a corner. They haven’t passed the bill yet because they are afraid for their political lives. They’ve tried scare tactics, ‘bipartisan talks’, pep rallies, doctors in their white jackets standing behind Obama… all to no avail in changing public perception. So a ‘yes’ vote now means a ‘no’ vote in their political future. However, on the flip side, if they don’t pass it, the Obama legacy is as good as nothing. His entire presidency, up to this point, has been nothing but healthcare. For a bill that was supposed to be anything but ‘political’, that’s exactly what the bottom line is.

Posted by: Shoe | March 14, 2010, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Reform will reduce the deficit by over 1 trillion dollars, lower costs, stop health insurer abuses, decrease cost escalation, provide insurance exchanges like Congress people have, disallow caps on coverage, give tax cuts for small business, give tax credits for average Americans, allow small businesses and individual policy holders to pool coverage and reduce premium costs, and will ensure 30 million currently uninsured Americans. The bill is paid for. The bill will not add a penny to the deficit or debt. New ommunity health centers and new staffing for the centers is provided. Current centers will be expanded. A private not for profit govt. regulated insurance plan will compete for your business in the insurance exchanges. Medicaid will be expanded. Med. seniors will receive better care at lower cost. Prescription payments for seniors will be reduced by reducing the Medicare prescription “donut hole”. Abortion is not subsidized. The Nebraska deal is being broadened for all states to receive or qualify for in the future. MedAdvantage, not Medicare will be unsubsidized. These are all terrific things for the American people.

Posted by: reveal5 | March 14, 2010, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

OBAMA, BIDEN, PELOSI, REID, AXELROD, RHAM AND THE OTHER LIBERALS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA. THERE IS NO HONOR AMONG THIEVES! ONE MORE BILL PASSED — ONE MORE NAIL IN FREEDOM’S COFFIN! Last week, Obama told a fundraising audience in St. Louis that “it’s nice to get out of Washington.” WHAT??? He spent his first year in office JOY-RIDING to FOREIGN countries – with his family – AT OUR EXPENSE. He made more “foreign” trips during his first year (10 trips involving stops in 21 nations) than any U.S. president before him. With the fate of HCR, the Campaigner-In-Chief is NOW visiting “American” cities to ram Obamacare down our throats. This is the most corrupt administration in history. SEE YA IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: EAST COAST | March 14, 2010, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

ISN’T IT IRONIC THAT OBAMA’S ONLY REAL SUCCESS SO FAR WAS PREPARED FOR HIM BY BUSH. AND THAT WAS IRAQ. GOOD THING BUSH “STAYED THE COURSE” OR OBAMA WOULD NOT HAVE ANY SUCCESSES SO FAR.

Posted by: Tom Barnow | March 14, 2010, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

INDUSTRIAL COUNTRIES? HAVE YOU EXAMINED THE ECONOMIES OF EUROPE, CANADA AND JAPAN? THEY ARE MUCH WORSE OFF THAN OURS, AND SOCIAL PROGRAMS LIKE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE (going belly up) THAT COST SO MUCH ARE TO BLAME. THEIR PEOPLE ARE BEING TAXED TO DEATH MY INS IS EXPENSIVE, BUT I WOULD “NEVER” TRADE MY HEATH CARE FOR ANY OTHER COUNTRY’S. AND BY THE LOOKS OF THE POLLS ON THIS ISSUE…. NOT MANY OTHERS WOULD EITHER. WHY DO THESE IDIOTS WANT TO GRAB ANOTHER ONE SIXTH OF OUR ECONOMY FOR VERY, VERY, VERY, DUBIOUS RESULTS. THIS IS JUST NUTS.

Posted by: Tom Barnow | March 14, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Axelrod is a conniving little liar – just like Lenin in his disdain for the common man (American, in this case) and eager to overthrow the system at our expense. Look at everyone surrounding Obama – Rahm Emanual, Axelrod, Sunstein, etc. The liberal, marxist “elite” is out of touch and desperately trying to overthrow the system and cast anyone who opposes them as “lobbyists” or “special interests.” What did Lenin, the radical jewish outcast do to Russia? Read your history Americans before it’s too late!!!! They are buying the votes of SEIU (all unions) and basically transferring our money to them in exchange for their perpetual votes. Illegals are next!!! Kill Obama care before it kills the U.S/!!!

Posted by: rob | March 14, 2010, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

NANCY PELOSI COMES ON TV AND SAYS THAT THE HOUSE WILL PASS THE BILL – AND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN SOMETHING? PELOSI IS ALSO THE GENIUS WHO SAID A FEW DAYS AGO “THAT WE WILL DISCOVER WHAT IS IN THE BILL AFTER WE PASS IT.” THIRD IN LINE FOR THE PRESIDENCY? OUCH!!

Posted by: Temagami | March 14, 2010, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Axelrod is a conniving little liar – just like Lenin in his disdain for the common man
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Come on you’re missing out on some of the talking point names . .
Axelrod is a Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Jack the Ripper, Ted Bundy, evil . … etc.

Posted by: tierra | March 14, 2010, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

rob..your 4:36 post…you can’t be serious withyour statement…”just like Lenin in his disdain for the common man”. And you think that those 30-40 million uninsured are anything BUT the common man? What are people like you “thinking” when you write this stuff? I’ll warn you right now. You are going to be a great “target” for “backlash voting propaganda” and I’ll bet you run right out there and “vote against your own best interests” in the fall.

Posted by: CND FOX | March 14, 2010, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

If the Democrats FORCE this Health Care Reform on us the US citizens, rather than working with all parties to GET IT CORRECT, the Replublican will get my vote for the next elections. Let’s hurry up and get this over so we can vote these BUMS out next election!!!

Posted by: Third Rate Citizen | March 14, 2010, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Axelrod should be in jail….

Posted by: No To Marxism | March 14, 2010, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

Once again the President is allowing the stupid Republicans and their puppet masters in the insurance industry to dominate the discussion about healthcare reform on all major news networks. Its no wonder that half the American electorate isn’t behind a bill that would revolutionize and improve their healthcare forever.
I think thats the Democratic Party’s only failing right now. The dems have the right idea, but the GOP is just smashing their message over the airwaves. I will never, ever vote for a Republican, ever.
They are as UnAmerican as you can get, and yet they wrap themselves in the flag and spout on about how they’re conservative. They’re about as conservative as a corporate CEO taking a hundred million dollar bonus while the company lays off a third of its workforce.
But again, the real problem here is the dems allowing the GOP to dominate what the public hears about healthcare reform. For every piece of good information they put out the GOP counters with a hundred little pieces of negative, inaccurate propaganda.
If this healthcare bill doesn’t pass, the dems only have themselves to blame. Its simple thing to get done.
Stop allowing the GOP to dominate the message stupid!

Posted by: BeaneyMan | March 14, 2010, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

If you want to insure the 7 – 15 mln americans who really need insurance, why not just revamp medicaid or buy them round-trip tickets to canada (if they want to try government health care so badly). It will cost of fraction of this Obama takeover and doesn’t force the other 90% of us to finance the Dems and their failed policies. This whole Obamacare is just a scam to raise taxes and pay off the unions, thus buying more votes for the corrupt Dems. Are we to wait another week for Pelosi and Reid to pay off the remaining congressmen??

Posted by: rob | March 14, 2010, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

What did Lenin, the radical jewish outcast do to Russia? Read your history Americans before it’s too late!!!!
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Cracks me up when people try to make rediculous analogies using snipits of information they’ve picked up from the likes of Glen Beck and right wing websites and then say “read your history”.
The comparison is nonsense for about a hundred reasons, but that won’t stop the misinforded from parroting it.

Posted by: Facts Over Fiction | March 14, 2010, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Facts over fiction – You want to question what harm Lenin brought to Russia. This is getting off the subject of this blog now but why don’t you read history. I lived in Russia for over 10 years, and most would call you an uninformed American at best. Try living through 70 years of communism and a totalitarian regime. Axelrod’s ancestors are from the same place, strangely, and now he wants to pul the same strtegy here (or try reading Saul Alinsky, his and Obama’s mentor) :-)

Posted by: rob | March 14, 2010, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

What a lame interview. Axelrod was not challenged on any of his answers.
Why would anyone believe anything Axelrod has to say. He is a professional liar and a criminal.

Posted by: Mike | March 14, 2010, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Why are you talking about Lenin’s impact? I commented on YOU and your rediculous comparison between Pres. Obama and Lenin (Oh, Lenin was a Bolshevik dictator, not a communist as you proposed Mr Russian expert. But who cares about accuracy right?)
The bill leaves private insurance in place. There is no gov’t takeover. To try and state the health care bill somehow indicates we’re now communists led by a totalitarian leader is just melodramatic, incredibly stupid, and lacks any sense of actual reason.
The majority of Americans VOTED for Obama, remember? (By a majority of over 9 million) We did so because our faulty health care system needs to be addressed. Republicans did nothing to improve health care when they had control of the house and the Presidency – absolutely nothing.
And how did I know you’d start using the more comparisons like Alinsky? How original. Are you going to start using Chavez next? You have absorbed the propaganda well.
My grasp of history goes well beyond cherry picking vague similarities and then stating “they must be the same”. Since Hitler was a Christian, you must believe all Christians want genocide right?
I’ve already wasted five minutes on your nonsense. Now go “read your history”

Posted by: Facts Over Stupidity | March 14, 2010, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Another lame interview to allow their guys to get their message across. We don’t want this bullcrap!!!!
You would think that he would of asked him about the millions of Amaricans who oppose their views on the health care bill? Hello? anybody out there? Two ears and one mouth Listen twice, Speak once!!
They don’t get it!

Posted by: alan | March 14, 2010, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

Read all the comments & people’s opinions on this matter , I don;t care what web page u got to. they are running negative 90% on Obama his Cabinet and his agendas.

Posted by: alan | March 14, 2010, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

The majority of Americans VOTED for Obama, remember? (By a majority of over 9 million) We did so because our faulty health care system needs to be addressed. Republicans did nothing to improve health care when they had control of the house and the Presidency – absolutely nothing.
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Well said. Their approach has been to bury their heads in the sand– and when others attempt to address the issue, they come up with strategies like delay, derail, work with special interests to kill bills, make reform Obama’s “Waterloo.”
The status quo is unsustainable. The vast majority of Americans support health care reform.
Its time.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 15, 2010, 12:00 am 12:00 am

uh what makes you think this reform is going to fix the mess? for all we know it could make it even worsts.. think about it they came to this with one horse trade after another looking out for their own special interests and that is supposed to solved this mess? come on!!

Posted by: robocop | March 15, 2010, 12:13 am 12:13 am

And in November the people will have the votes.

Posted by: Miri | March 15, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Dream on! American friends against reform. We are fairly divided in most issues now. That is natural as people start to be more educated and think outside of what the newspapers and TV stations says. These news outlets all have to get paid somehow. One way or another they all have to bend towards one side. Most of us, worldly people try to read news and thoughts from all over the world. Not just from our controlled local hick news agencies. For sure, we are the best country in the world people. Now let show that we have the best minds and hearts as well. And yes, we will have to pay for lots of poor bastards suffering and dying in our streets. But that will make our America a better place for the future. Hate exists in our country because we have become so selfish and careless. Not to say that the rest of the world is not so. But let’s be better than Mexico, Russia and China. Why let all these countries think we are becoming a joke? And perhaps we are. If God could speak to us today, he will want us to support the right path. Let’s keep fighting for what our fathers dreamed of constructing. “A Beautiful America”.

Posted by: Anthony | March 15, 2010, 4:14 am 4:14 am

it is the common working man who will pay for the non working entitlement. we can’t afford what’s on the books now.this needed bribes to pass. Nebraska, LA. ,the union exemption. why haven’t we seen the actual bill?

Posted by: madmax | March 15, 2010, 8:18 am 8:18 am

I was a big fan of George Stephanopoulos. Since he left, the interviews with people such as Axelorod are an embarassment. The are not interiews in the classic sense – just a lead question to permit the inteviewee the opportunity to espouse his talking points. Might you challenge what they say even occassionally?

Posted by: John Ferguson | March 15, 2010, 8:20 am 8:20 am

Pelosi and Axelrod continue to play the game of “how many votes can we get?” We the people are going to show you exactly how many you won’t if you keep pushing this legislative garbage on us.

Posted by: lfrichar | March 15, 2010, 8:55 am 8:55 am

Facts Over Stupidity —- Here’s a fact for you. Obama calls this Insurance reform, not health care reform. If health care needs reform and we ALL agree we pay too much for health care, how about we go after why the costs are so high? This bill does not address why Tylenol is $20 in the hospital and $5 at the pharmacy. It does not address why 1 night in the ICU is $20000. Health care costs are too high and this bill doesn’t even begin to address the problem, yet it costs over $1 trillion. There you have it, facts and stupidity.

Posted by: lfrichar | March 15, 2010, 9:04 am 9:04 am

He is not living in the real world.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | March 15, 2010, 10:51 am 10:51 am

THE BILL WILL PASS.
It is inevitable.
We the patriotic and compassionate Americans like the Bill.
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AARP Bulletin 3/10
From Kaiser Family Foundation, Jan., 2010. Survey of American Citizens:
Give tax credits to small businesses to cover employees (73% approval)
Create health insurance exchanges to help people get coverage (67% approve).
Leave most people’s existing coverage unchanged (66% approve).
Prohibit insurers from denying coverage or charging more for people with pre-existing conditions (63% approve).
Expand Medicaid to cover more low-income people (62% approve).
Allow children coverage under parents’ insurance until age 26 (60% approve).
Help close the Medicare Part D donut hole (60% approve).
Etc., etc., etc…..
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If the Repubs want to campaign against these numbers come November, let me borrow from George Bush and say BRING IT ON.
The Repubs are running scared because they know that once this Bill passes the Dems are guaranteed to win in November.
If it were really a Kamikaze mission as the Repubs claim don’t you think they will be cheering the Dems on to their defeat?
If it were that bad for the Dems the Repubs would not be fightiong it.
I think the Repubs believe we are all idiots.
Steve_NJ.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | March 15, 2010, 10:52 am 10:52 am

I didn’t vote for Axelrod, who wants his rhetoric?
A Tiny Peek at The Government’s Slippery Slope:
1. Census: Sure the questions are unconstitutional, but there’s only ten of them.
2. Patriot Act: We don’t listen to your conversations, just for certain words and phrases.
3. Global Warming: If it seems warmer then man must have caused it, what does science have to do with anything?
4. Cap and trade: We don’t care about the fact against manmade global warming, this bill will only cost you 50 cents per day.
5. Obamacare: So you don’t want it, just cowboy up and live with it it will only add to the debt, increase your insurance premiums, ration your healthcare and we added ten pages of doublespeak to try to convince you that funding for abortion will be hidden.
6. PayGo: It sounds good, but unfunded liabilities of the US government are more than double the net worth of the US and we just have to keep spending after all that’s what we do.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | March 15, 2010, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

It’s time. Let it pass. We are taking a chance. Hope this works Obama.

Posted by: Tanya | March 15, 2010, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

If the bill is so good, why the need for bribes, special deals and pressure? Why couldn’t the Dems get it done before? Because they didn’t have the votes in their own party. That they still don’t is telling.
If the bill is so good, why would Pelosi entertain a vote by no vote? She says they will have the votes, so why the double speak? Why does poll after poll show a lack of public support? Why the crazy math to show “savings” or deficit reduction – especially for a bill that hasn’t been seen yet and the CBO has not analyzed for cost (if they can be trusted for proper analysis).
This bill is no good, because it is marred by special deals that have no business being in the bill except to coerce votes in a political power grab. Had Obama truly had health care in mind, things would be very different. In the end it is a trillion dollar boondoggle on the American people.

Posted by: DA | March 16, 2010, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Obama & his bill passing dems need to be voted OUT of office. They ALL suck!!!

Posted by: PissedAmerican | March 17, 2010, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Every where is health care bill…becoz election is coming..

Posted by: Ilan Ben Menachem | March 18, 2010, 5:35 am 5:35 am

I think Axlerod is on target, to replace Cheney, as the person to despise, in the Democrats.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | March 18, 2010, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

This debate was so poorly done that I turned it out. Where is the moderator? Stop these guys from talking over each other in their rudeness. I am now watching Meet the Press until George Will can save your program for me.

Posted by: Dale Reed | March 21, 2010, 11:02 am 11:02 am

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