Mar 12, 2010 9:29am

Health Care Delays Obama’s Foreign Trip

ABC News' Jake Tapper, Ann Compton and Sunlen Miller report:

Speaking volumes about how the votes are not yet there for health care reform, President Obama has decided to delay his trip to Asia.

The president was due to leave for a trip to Guam, Indonesia and Australia on Thursday, March 18th, and return to Washington, D.C., on March 24th. The White House confirmed this morning that the trip will be delayed by three days.  The president will now leave Sunday, March 21st, and return to Washington on Friday, March 26th.

White House officials and congressional Democratic sources say that while they believe ultimately the compromise House –Senate legislation will pass, as of now House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., does not have the votes. 

She needs 216 votes — a majority of the House which currently has 431 members — to pass the Senate bill and changes to the Senate bill. Anti abortion democrats led by Rep. Bart Stupak, D- Mich., have said they will not support the Senate bill since it has less restrictive language on abortion than the House bill.

Democratic congressional leaders had asked the president to delay his trip until the health care reform vote is over so as to personally appeal to House Democrats to vote for the bill that has consumed so much of his presidency.

"The President will delay leaving for Indonesia and Australia – will now leave Sunday – the First Lady and the girls will not be on the trip,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs tweeted this morning. The First Lady's office says the delay of the long trip with the rough time zone change does not allow for enough recovery time before the girls go back to school, so the first family decided it was best for the girls to not go.

The White House had set a March 18th deadline – the day the president was to have left for his trip – for Congress to finish health care refom negotiations. As recently as Tuesday, the White House had expressed confidence that they were still within that goal. Yet, at yesterday’s briefing, Gibbs for the first time indicated that the deadline may have to be shifted.

“If it takes a couple extra days after a year, it takes a couple of extra days,” Gibbs said yesterday, “It is time for Congress to vote.  That's what the president wants.  Quite frankly, that's what Speaker Pelosi, that's what Majority Leader Reid want.  We are working toward that.  We're — I know that CBO is evaluating different aspects of the legislation. Our hope is to get this done as soon as possible.”

This move responds to frustrations bubbling up privately from members of Congress – tensions that emerged publicly with the debate over deadlines. There was a wide perception on the Hill that this particular deadline was in place mostly so the president could enjoy spring break with his kids.

Yesterday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., made clear she’s not too keen on deadlines set by the White House.

“March 18th is a very interesting date,” Pelosi said, referring to the White House’s preferred deadline. She said the new bill – which will change aspects of the Senate bill that are unacceptable to the House – is not complete and won’t be until the Congressional Budget Office has provided an official cost estimate.

After that happens, the Pelosi said, the House will need “at least one week” to consider the bill before a final vote.

The president's family will not be joining him. Gibbs had expressed irritation yesterday with a question during the daily press briefing about this trip being something of a vacation for the family, with Sasha and Malia on spring break.

“It’s not a vacation at all,” he said back to a reporter.

-Jake Tapper, Ann Compton, and Sunlen Miller

User Comments

Here’s an idea. Just do what you did for Israel, send Joe Biden, that went over so well. Just remember, Joe might need a lesson in bowing before going to Asia!

Posted by: pauldia | March 12, 2010, 9:46 am 9:46 am

The Senate Parliamentarian issued the correct ruling yesterday, and said that the Senate can only consider under “reconciliation” a change to existing law. Now, he may very well let the Democrats do *anything* under reconciliation – but he’s declared that rule 1 has to be, the president must have signed a law INTO law before you can pass a reconciliation measure to fix it.
So this whole deadline discussion is pretty moot. The big complicated move that Pelosi had been working on was to set it up so that the original measure and the “fix” to all the awful corruption in it would effectively be passed simultaneously, with the Senate’s passage of the “fix” bill being “considered” by the House to represent passage of the *original* bill in the house.
But that’s been shot down, and she’s back to square 1 – pass the original Senate Christmas bill, have it ENACTED into law, and then take up the fixes as a completely separate bill with its own separate dynamics.
This is going to TERRIFY House Democrats because, honestly, why would the Senate bother with the “fix”?

Posted by: DS | March 12, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Good thought, Mr. Obama. We need you here to fight for us. Asia will still be there when we HAVE health care reform!

Posted by: paintpaintpaint | March 12, 2010, 10:00 am 10:00 am

“It is time for Congress to vote. That’s what the president wants. Quite frankly, that’s what Speaker Pelosi, that’s what Majority Leader Reid want.” – Gibbs
Oh really?!
Then go ahead and vote today or tomorrow.
But gee, you can’t do that because it wouldn’t pass. What the President should be saying is when we have the votes then it’s time for Congress to vote. Until then let’s drag this out and keep strong arming members of the house. Whatever it takes.
In the meantime, take your trip to Asia and keep delaying work on a jobs bill.

Posted by: Noz | March 12, 2010, 10:06 am 10:06 am

He can delay a trip for health care.
Why didn’t he delay all those trips he took last year for job creation. He still hasn’t worked on creating jobs. What is up with this guy.
People don’t want health care – they want jobs!!!!!!

Posted by: tired of it all | March 12, 2010, 10:06 am 10:06 am

I thought this idiot said the talking was over days ago about health care yet here we are still talking about it. Put it to vote and let it be killed once and for all. So he doesnt have to send Rahm back to the shower again.

Posted by: Hilda | March 12, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am

the American people want the Congress and Obama to move off health care and onto JOBS. we do NOT want another vote on this payoff filled crxpulent bill…
and Biden taking Jill wiht him worked wonders for the Israel Palestine trip right? So yeah O planned to take spring break with the kids and michelle while Americans have no jobs and they fiddle away on healthcare as rome burns? shockah! not.
more interesting IMo will be next yr when congress takes their yearly break I want to see if Obama tries going to Hawaii with the family again,,,he didnt let the attempted bombing of an American aircraft stop his yearly break, what will he do next yr
the guy is not a fighter, IMO the deal with Pelosi and Reid was we select you over Hillary, you let us call the shots and lead on legislation
that has led the economy to the precipice of a cliff…
but he wants to eat his waffle…

Posted by: jedimom | March 12, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am

tired of it all – writes: Why didn’t he delay all those trips he took last year for job creation. He still hasn’t worked on creating jobs. What is up with this guy.
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I thought people like you didn’t want big gov in your lives. Stay out of this, stay out of that, oh accept when I’m out of work then the gov is to step in and give you something? Go out and get your own job! Create the American dream and make something happen. Don’t sit around waiting for big gov to get you a job. What is this the USSR?

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:13 am 10:13 am

“the First Lady and the girls will not be on the trip”
What a shame. We love our tax dollars to be used by DC elites for joyrides. Ya the country is in financial ruin, but come on, what about the children?

Posted by: Huh | March 12, 2010, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Get off health care and lets get the economy fixed first. new taxes with no work really makes alot of sense. The dems will nose dive and crash on this health care. Masybe the dem party needs an english lesson. They seem to not unbder stand the word NO and NO health care reform.

Posted by: Jim Rod | March 12, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Huh – writes: “the First Lady and the girls will not be on the trip”
What a shame. We love our tax dollars to be used by DC elites for joyrides. Ya the country is in financial ruin, but come on, what about the children?
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But I suppose all the tax dollars that congress uses on their special “business” trips to tropical places is ok? I’m going to assume when you say DC elites you’re grouping ALL of congress in that circle as well? Your arguminet is weak at best.

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Don’t delay your trip, BO. You’re not needed here anyway. You have President Pelosi looking after things.

Posted by: JustMe | March 12, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am

With the polls showing that the majority
of people in this country do not want
THIS bill, they are like lemmings following Pelosi off a cliff. I have
gone from thinking these people are
incompentant to thinking they may be
insane. I keep hearing that the Republicans are standing in the way.
How great can this bill be if you can’t
get all the Dems on board without
strong arming, bribing and payoffs
promised. Want to blame someone for this
cluster, look in the mirror Dems. You
are drunk with power and not thinking
logically.

Posted by: wis134 | March 12, 2010, 10:22 am 10:22 am

“the First Lady and the girls will not be on the trip”
AirForce 1 cannot handle 3 extra seats? The presidential room at the embassies cannot handle one extra person for the First Lady? No extra room can be afforded for the girls?
Shame!

Posted by: Cubeweaver | March 12, 2010, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Let me get this straight, Obama had planed a trip to Indonesia and Australia for his kids Spring Break using taxpayers dollars. Now he is not going until Sunday.
Why is he going anyway? He should be working on jobs.

Posted by: CW | March 12, 2010, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Obama should go on vacation.
Rahm will be in the Oval Office taking care of business.
But will he be clothed?

Posted by: fran | March 12, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am

Obama is sacrificing his spring break to focus like a “laser beam” on jobs.
oops…I mean his legacy. ObamaCare.

Posted by: ollie | March 12, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am

ollie – You realize that any plans to create jobs will increase the national debt. And I’m sure you don’t want that. What is your idea?

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:34 am 10:34 am

This is just an intimidation tactic for the Dems to get this Obamacare (socialized medicine) bill shoved down our throats. He just doesn’t get it!! Pelosi, Reed and Obama have to intimidate everyone to get this done!

Posted by: Cheri | March 12, 2010, 10:35 am 10:35 am

If there is any doubt that Obama is an
arrogant egomaniac, the fact that he is
ready to throw many Dems under the bus
and risk losing Democratic control of
the government just to say he accomplished
HIS idea without any regard to what the
American public wants, take heed, this
is one scary guy. I think he would sell
his own wife and kids down the river.

Posted by: wis134 | March 12, 2010, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Vacationing in Indonesia.
Watching movies with his Hollywood friends.
Rappers posing for pics in the White House.
Obama loves the glamorous life doesn’t he?
While millions struggle to buy food, and save their homes, Obama lives it up!

Posted by: kyle | March 12, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Let me get this straight. During two horrible wars, and $4 gas, and increase debt, George W. Bush never left this country? Really?

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Stay here Obama.
Let’s take a vote on OCare today.
The time for talk is over.
When it fails blame the Republicans.
Maybe Obama needs to come up with bigger bribes and incentives.

Posted by: larry | March 12, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Delaying his vacation for a few days?
He’s got time to fly across country and read more speeches.
Why is Obama hiding from the press?

Posted by: mick | March 12, 2010, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Mick writes: He’s got time to fly across country and read more speeches.
Why is Obama hiding from the press?
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Ah, and how is that hiding from the press? I’ve never read such petty jabs as I have on this blog this morning.

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Indonesian students have been throwing shoes at Obama’s picture. His statue was even moved away.
Perhaps a few bows, promises of financial support, and apologies for America will help.

Posted by: phillip | March 12, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am

“ollie – You realize that any plans to create jobs will increase the national debt.” – Jackson
I guess you’re right Jackson if they are crappy government jobs.
You are dead wrong if they are private sector jobs. Those type of jobs decrease the national debt. Those are the “real” jobs that people want.
Do you think NoBo can apply a few brain cells and figure out something which helps the private sector, huummmmm?

Posted by: Noz | March 12, 2010, 10:51 am 10:51 am

ollie writes: Obama is sacrificing his spring break to focus like a “laser beam” on jobs.
oops…I mean his legacy. ObamaCare.
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At least his legacy will be one of healthcare for all in stead of a bogus war that has killed thousands and all based on lies.

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:51 am 10:51 am

At least his legacy will be one of healthcare for all…
Posted by: Jackson | Mar 12, 2010 10:51:47 AM
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Don’t you mean “huge debt” for all?

Posted by: Denbo | March 12, 2010, 10:54 am 10:54 am

I thought “the time for talk was over”?? Now he is delaying important foreign trips just for this?
Well it doesn’t matter, he got nothing accomplished the last time he went to Asia… or Copenhagen (both I and II).

Posted by: Denbo | March 12, 2010, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Noz – I thought you Obama haters didn’t want big gov in your lives. Go out and get your own job. As I’ve said before, go out and creat the American dream and make something happen. Don’t wait for a handout from the big ole scary gov!

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am

But I suppose all the tax dollars that congress uses on their special “business” trips to tropical places is ok?
Posted by: Jackson | Mar 12, 2010 10:20:09 AM
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Are you referring to Rangel??

Posted by: Denbo | March 12, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Denbo writes: Don’t you mean “huge debt” for all?
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Oh get off the huge debt gripe. And Bush didn’t create any huge debt with two bogus wars? Another pointless complaint.

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 10:58 am 10:58 am

Why does Obama need to be here?
He has literally dumped every major decision in the laps of Congress or Eric Holder or Rahm Emanuel.
He’s above the fray, too majestic to get dirt on him. Obama is just the snakeoil salesman, so inlove with himself that he thinks his charm will fix everything and everyone.
Maybe Obama can get good health care in Asia–psychological help.

Posted by: hank | March 12, 2010, 10:59 am 10:59 am

hank WRITES: Maybe Obama can get good health care in Asia–psychological help.
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Very mature!

Posted by: Jackson | March 12, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Jackson-Of course I lump all of Congress in there. Maybe not Ron Paul since he flies coach. Bunch Nancy Pelosi to Copenhagen you bet. What is weak about my argument sir. Are you just trying to be argumentative and not doing a good job?

Posted by: Huh | March 12, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am

There might be much more to this story. Has anyone considered that Obama cancelled the trip due to the recent military events in Indonesia? Maybe there was a threat to him? Or even something as simple as having outstanding warrants for parking tickets under his old name in Indonesia? Or the press accidently asking too many uncomfortable questions when he returns to Indonesia?

Posted by: Ed | March 12, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am

This was previously billed as a spring break trip — why else would he be going then? Read elsewhere that House Dems were steamed he’s off spring breaking while they’re carrying his water.

Posted by: liz | March 12, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am

“Noz – I thought you Obama haters didn’t want big gov in your lives. Go out and get your own job.” – Jackson
Got my own job Dood.
I don’t want a Government Handout™.
I’d just like the government to stand aside and get out of my way.
btw, I don’t hate Obama but I am getting tired of waiting for him to show some of those smarts he supposedly has. He blew it on this Health Care Reform.
If he was a true leader he wouldn’t have played the “I don’t need Republicans to get things done” hand. A true leader would have included the minority party from the get go. If he had done that we’d have a bill with Tort Reform and Bipartisan support. We’d have a bill that would have a chance at controlling costs. We’d have a bill that would be passed already.
We, as a nation, thought we were voting for a guy who wasn’t interested in Red or Blue America. This guy, Obama, was supposed to be for all Americans. Someone who would work both sides of the aisle. So we made an apparent mistake and voted for the rookie.
If we had voted for the guy who had a proven record of working with both sides, John McCain, we would have had a Health Reform Bill long ago.
America, we made a mistake.

Posted by: Noz | March 12, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Noz-McCain sang about bombing Iran. I see that as a major mistake.

Posted by: Huh | March 12, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am

“Noz-McCain sang about bombing Iran. I see that as a major mistake. ” – Huh
Good Point Huh.
Gee, when are we going to get some decent choices for President?

Posted by: Noz | March 12, 2010, 11:52 am 11:52 am

If the time for talk is over Obama may as well leave. There’s no other reason for BO to stick around.
Pelosi can hide things in the bill, offer payoffs, threaten and twist arms better than timid Barry.
He can read pretty speeches in Asia.
Maybe they aren’t tired of listening to him over there.

Posted by: syd | March 12, 2010, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Nobel PC Prize winner is killing lots of Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan–including lots of families with stray drone attacks.
I’m not sure Indonesia is feeling the love for Obama.

Posted by: larry | March 12, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Have the “yes men” surrounding Obama told him the statue of little Barry had to be moved because of protests?
Too bad Obama is hated by many in the place where he was raised.
How can that happen to the most famous Citizen of the World?

Posted by: kyle | March 12, 2010, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Hey Obama! How about a formal press
conference? You can run, but you can’t
hide.

Posted by: Sir Toby Belch | March 12, 2010, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Posted by: kyle | Mar 12, 2010 10:37:02 AM
Thats called redistribution.

Posted by: Lizzie | March 12, 2010, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Too bad Obama is hated by many in the place where he was raised.
How can that happen to the most famous Citizen of the World?
Posted by: kyle | Mar 12, 2010 12:34:24 PM
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As you illustrate, there are confused people everywhere – including religious extremists ready to show their ignorances and biases.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Queen Nancy – makes her own rules as she goes along — just to get what she wants.
“In another arrogant display of legislative power and contempt for the ordinary citizen, Rep. Louise Slaughter – the Pelosi ally who chairs the all powerful House Rules Committee – is said to be preparing the way for the Senate health care bill to pass the House without ever being voted on in order to overcome the fact that they don’t have the votes to pass it.”

Posted by: susie | March 12, 2010, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

I bet this really irks Obama.
He can’t even enjoy the perks of being a celebrity president anymore without having to explain himself.
Can he still get away with datenights in NYC, golfing with fatcat bankers, appearances on Letterman, useless trips abroad with his family and friends tagging along, spending our money like Monopoly money.
Accountability is seriously threatening Obama’s good times.

Posted by: ollie | March 12, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

explain something to me because your sooooo smart tierra, Pres.Obama went on all the foreign trips bowing and apologizing for america how come we now have a lower standing in the world then with Bush???????

Posted by: Lizzie | March 12, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

how come we now have a lower standing in the world then with Bush???????
Posted by: Lizzie | Mar 12, 2010 12:53:36 PM
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That’s simple. We don’t.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Do unto Republicans as Republicans would do unto you. Pass the bill.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

“The United States is the most admired country globally thanks largely to the star power of President Barack Obama and his administration, according to a new poll.
“It climbed from seventh place last year, ahead of France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Japan which completed the top five nations in the Nation Brand Index (NBI).
“What’s really remarkable is that in all my years studying national reputation, I have never seen any country experience such a dramatic change in its standing as we see for the United States for 2009,” said Simon Anholt, the founder of NBI, which measured the global image of 50 countries each year.”

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Tierra – no comment from you about how the Dems change the rules as they go along….
Mass. a good example, is when they appointed a senator instead of holding a special election.
And now Slaughter / Pelosi want to change the rules so they can pass the HC bill without a vote in the house.

Posted by: susie | March 12, 2010, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Wouldn’t it be great if the Obama supporters could offer up an argument that didn’t compare Obama to Bush, but instead compared Obama to his OWN words. You remember, all those pretty, well orchestrated speeches he gave during the campaign? IF Obama is as ‘above it all’ as some would like us to believe, then hold him accountable…to himself. Go back and see (or read) some of the words he has used over the years as a Senator, during his presidential run, and as president. To compare him to Bush, or any other president for that matter is unfair simply because Obama is Obama…his words, his promises, his policies, his agendas, are, well, his. Nobody else’s. If the argument is that Obama is so much better, so much a higher standard than Bush, fine, go with that. But prove it. Hold him accountable. The constant back-and-forth that what Obama is doing now is okay because ‘Bush did it’ doesn’t hold water. Obama promised a different Washington, a new era, a new way, hope, change…but so far it’s just been politics as usual.
By the way, why on earth would he (or anyone else for that matter) take 2 lovely daughters into areas in Asia that are immensely dangerous right now? Terrorism isn’t contained in one area. Those girls didn’t need to go to begin with, so I’m glad to read they aren’t going now.

Posted by: Shoe | March 12, 2010, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

Tierra – no comment from you about how the Dems change the rules as they go along….
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Rules can be changed within what is LEGALLY allowed . . . we operate under the rule of law, not your guesses.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

To compare him to Bush, or any other president for that matter is unfair simply because Obama is Obama…
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Nonsense. There are basically two choices – Democrat or Republican.
Anyone with even a touch of wisdom would be comparing the two rigorously.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

To compare him to Bush, or any other president for that matter is unfair simply because Obama is Obama…
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Nonsense. There are basically two choices – Democrat or Republican.
Anyone with even a touch of wisdom would be comparing the two rigorously.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 12, 2010 1:29:00 PM
I would have expected no less from you, tierra. It strikes me as funny that the ones like you who scream about all the horrible things the Republicans have done are also the ones who will not own up to the fact that Obama cannot even live up to his own expectations. Presidents have failed and will continue to fail until it is realized that party doesn’t deem you right or wrong, but honesty and integrity can.
I’m a conservative, and will be one of the first ones to say that Bush did not do everything he was supposed to. To say he did would be living in an alternate universe. But you seem to be bordering on idol worship, tierra. It won’t hurt that bad to say Obama has made mistakes and is not living up to his own standards, and by doing that, you would seem a little more credible. Right now, you’re in the groupie section.

Posted by: Shoe | March 12, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

It won’t hurt that bad to say Obama has made mistakes and is not living up to his own standards, and by doing that, you would seem a little more credible. Right now, you’re in the groupie section.
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Everybody makes mistakes . ..
Regardless, there are basically two choices – Democrat or Republican.
Anyone with even a touch of wisdom would be rigorously comparing the two – including the mess the country was left in by the Republican Bush administration.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Obama promised a different Washington, a new era, a new way, hope, change…but so far it’s just been politics as usual.
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Shoe, in fairness, that happens to all of them. Bush said it was much harder than he imagined as well. Personally, I appreciated that both were idealistic on that front. Can you imagine voting for someone that said they were simply going to double down on the divide do nothing about this, that and the other thing?
As I’ve said a bunch of times, we need to open up the party system. Get four viable parties going– OR make the presidential nominees choose a VP from the other party and run together– or something to break up the power centers. Third parties don’t work because they draw from one party more than the other– and everybody gets that and doesn’t want to risk handing the country over to, say, a present-day Republican (in my case.)
In addition, I think its legitimate to point out the hypocrisy of certain arguments about Obama using Bush as a reference point.
I will say I’m disappointed about the extension of the Patriot Act without reform, I’m concerned about Bagram and continuing war, I was disappointed at the closed door meeting with Pharma and lobbyists, I was disappointed Wyden Bennet and single payer didn’t get any serious attention in the health care proposal markups and debates– and I’m sure there are more things, BUT to a large extent people didn’t listen closely enough during the campaigns. To me he is who he said he was. And while I never idolized him, and still don’t, I like him. My husband likes him, too– and he’s usually a hard sell when it comes to Democrats.
I think what people have done to Obama is unfair– putting him on a pedestal, then knocking him off in a mean-spirited way, sometimes demonizing him to make him seem like something he’s not. Its typical– but I don’t condone it or like it.
Anyway, that’s my two cents.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 12, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

We need jobs to pay for health care.
If instead of wasting money by paying private insurance with taxes Congress and President Obama were to open Medicare to everyone for health insurance, put it under the laws that private insurance operate under and the average individual payment was what the retired pay now there is a national healthcare that works. The following is an example with Medicare paying 100% of a doctors office visit with only the retired people paying Medicare. Now if you increase the amount of available money by each person paying $110.00 each retired person pays each month, you do the figures it appears the available money would be in the trillions at a cost of each citizen of less than one third what they would pay under the heath care plan the Democrats are trying to push through.
There approximately 300 million people in America. If each person goes to a doctor for an office visit and pays $200.00 for that visit (This is probably double of an average visit cost). The cost for those visits is $60,000,000,000.00 (60 billion dollars). There 57 million retired people paying $110.00 a month on Medicare. That is $75,240,000,000.00 (75.24 billion dollars). Now if you add everyone making Medicare payments the amount paid in is much higher. This means with only one sixth of the population paying Medicare for health insurance there is over 15 billion dollars left over after everyone had a office visit for the year. How many of the 300 million people actually visit the doctor in a year?
Do you want to pay tax to support BIG BUSINESS or pay for affordable health care?

Posted by: Gandar | March 12, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Posted by: tierra | Mar 12, 2010 1:51:17 PM
I give up on you tierra. Trying to have a legitimate conversation with someone led so easily just isn’t worth the time.

Posted by: Shoe | March 12, 2010, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

When is Obama going to start working on jobs? The jobs bill that passed is for unemployment benefits and some tax incentives for companies. It does little to create new jobs. All we see from him is his new ways to spend money that our great grandchildren will have to pay off.

Posted by: Albert Friday | March 12, 2010, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

I still think the reason Obama is delaying his trip home is that he is afraid of something a reporter might ask or some unresolved issue in Indonesia.

Posted by: Ed | March 12, 2010, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Posted by: tierra | Mar 12, 2010 1:51:17 PM
Trying to have a legitimate conversation with someone led so easily just isn’t worth the time.
Posted by: Shoe | Mar 12, 2010 2:22:24 PM
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You gave up . . . oh well. Doesn’t mean I won’t be watching your comments for legitimate, or ridiculous, points.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Rules can be changed within what is LEGALLY allowed . . . we operate under the rule of law, not your guesses.
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But the Democrats change the rules in the middle of the game to “fit” what they want to do…. even if more than 55% of the American people think this HC plan is bad for America.
It isn’t a guess — it is the truth.
Example — MA changed the law to a special election to fill a senate seat because the Governor at the time was a Rep — then changed back when the Gov is a Dem.
Now Slaughter and Pelosi want to change the rules on how a bill can be voted on.

Posted by: susie | March 12, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

Got to get some more backroom deals in!

Posted by: stevemb12 | March 12, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

Obama’s battle cry has transformed from “hope and change” to: “freeloaders of the nation, unite and take over!”

Posted by: EPU | March 12, 2010, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

Obama is nothing more than a man child. He and his administration have become the worst thing ever to happen to the Greatest Country ever. The man child and his misfits must be removed ASAP! I no longer have and trust nor respect for Obama and his gang.

Posted by: Bandera Scout | March 12, 2010, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Now Slaughter and Pelosi want to change the rules on how a bill can be voted on.
Posted by: susie | Mar 12, 2010 2:35:15 PM
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Rules can be changed ONLY within what is LEGALLY allowed . . . we operate under the rule of law.
Any ‘changing of the rules’ as you put it, will be done legitimately within the rules of law.
The country operates under the rule of law – as it should.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Can’t wait for Nov. to see “our” Copenhagen/Pelosi loving Congressman from Mo. become a private citizen. He appears to love those backroom deals. Rev., one word of advise-get those African-American voters from downtown KC to vote, otherwise, you are toast! See you in 2012 Claire.

Posted by: stevemb12 | March 12, 2010, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Can’t wait for Nov. to see “our” Copenhagen/Pelosi loving Congressman from Mo. become a private citizen. He appears to love those backroom deals. Rev., one word of advise-get those African-American voters from downtown KC to vote, otherwise, you are toast! See you in 2012 Claire.
Posted by: stevemb12 | Mar 12, 2010 2:48:22 PM
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This is a good example of why the Republican right should never get back in power.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Obama seems to embarrass himself each time he goes overseas. Perhaps he strays too far from the teleprompter in chief.

Posted by: Jeff | March 12, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Posted by: nephron | Mar 12, 2010 2:54:10 PM
You go, Nephron!! You tell everybody all about the incompetence!! I mean, who cares about health care, health IT, infrastructure, saving us from a depression, conserving public land, the improved stock market, fair pay, science, veteran benefits– and that other stuff the geeks who pay attention to actual information care about. Seriously!!! Instead focus on the tangents you usually do– bring up his birth certificate and grades and all that other irrelevant conspiracy stuff you’re into!!! Never mind that all of it sounds nuts because we don’t care!! We love conspiracy nuts!! Look at Glenn Beck’s ratings, for pete’s sake!! Its cool to be an odd duck!! We’ll back you, baby, because we’re sick of everything too!! Throw in the word arrogant— the real people love that because we all know arrogant people are unreal!!
No more freaking competence!!!
I mean incompetence!!! Vote the incompetent goons out!!! (well, except for all the incompetent Republicans. we like them, right?)

Posted by: concordia discors ! | March 12, 2010, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Obama is not the problem here it’s Congress…Obama is actually a good man…he just has people that work for him that he can’t actually fire that aren’t doing their jobs…Who wouldn’t want Obama as a Husband, Brother, or Son? I mean really, people need to look at the big picture. All he wants to do is what’s right but he can’t because of greedy politicians that run our government.

Posted by: justayreal74 | March 12, 2010, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Now that I look at it Bush wasn’t a bad guy either…it was also mainly Congress and that evil dictator Cheney that brought his ratings down…It was like he was being bullied by Cheney and Rumsfeld, he was just a puppet for them to do his dirty work.

Posted by: justayreal74 | March 12, 2010, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

tierra, how would you know what the economic situation was in this country?-unless you come here for the health care you can’t get in your riding.Hey, did you like Gibbs’ sweater today?I hear he left it on the Chesterfield.By the way,Reagan was President a quarter of a century ago.I know this are slower north of the border,but you are getting ridiculous.

Posted by: Nephron | March 12, 2010, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

“Another reason why the Republican right should never get back into power again. They set low moral standards of stupidity and ignorance.”
Why do you care? You’re a CANADIAN!! Fix your own country.

Posted by: Mary | March 12, 2010, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

concordia,what veterans benefits? I distinctly remember Barack Obama advocating that veterans should pay for their own service related medical problems-don’t you remember?He said something to the effect that since veterans were volunteers,it was their own fault if they got blown up.Surely you remember-don’t you ever watch John Stewart?As far as saving us from another great depression,it was the banking system that was in trouble and it was saved by the TARP program-a program entirely conceived,executed and managed by the Bush administration.As I recall Obama was a Senator then.Finally, don’t tell me how great he is for veterans when he can’t even take the simple time to learn how to pronounce “corpsman”,even though the first person he would see in the White House Physicians office would be an HM: a “corpseman”As far a his grades-are you implying that they were bad?

Posted by: Nephron | March 12, 2010, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

concordia,what veterans benefits?
Posted by: Nephron | Mar 12, 2010 3:30:37 PM
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Do some research why don’t you? Seriously, your level and lack of research sould be embarrassing to you.
“Veterans would see an expansion of health care coverage and benefits under President Barack Obama’s 2010 budget blueprint released Thursday that calls for a 10 percent increase in spending to $53 billion.
The federal budget would boost programs for 5.5 million veterans getting prosthetics and care for vision, spinal cord and women’s health issues.
Programs targeting homeless veterans also would see an increase.
To eliminate long delays in health care after veterans are discharged, the budget calls for more funding to help the Department of Veterans Affairs retrieve electronic medical records from the Defense Department.
The budget also expands eligibility for veterans’ health care to over 500,000 veterans by 2013.”

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

“As far a his grades-are you implying that they were bad?
Posted by: Nephron | Mar 12, 2010 3:30:37 PM
I’m saying it doesn’t matter as long as you keep saying they are, and asserting bad stuff!!! Who CARES what’s true??!! Just put it out there, and focus on stuff like the corpsemen thing because THAT is totally what matters!!!! Never mind the successful aspects of ARRA or that Obama was instrumental in helping with TARP?!? Good grief, I’m clearly saying that all of the progress in the realm of science and stuff does NOT matter because as long as the Republicans aren’t in power, the status quo is in GRAVE DANGER!!!And we are a CHRISTIANIST nation– science is irrelvant!!! What will happen if incomes STOP declining?? I don’t know and I don’t want to. Equity and progress and a sustainable future for ALL Americans is malarkey!!! Libruls aren’t real!! They can go to any other civilized nation for affordable universal health care!! Why does America need infrastructure and health care and alternate energy!! We are exceptional– we don’t have to prove it. We KNOW it!! And Michelle??? Good lord, why does she care about obesity? We have the right to be fat, gosh darn it??!
(Tierra is right about veterans benefits but all that information is making her think too clearly. Obviously she’s NOT a Republican– beware of her information. Being informed leads to turning librul!!)

Posted by: concordia discors! | March 12, 2010, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Obo says to uncommitted Representatives to get in line and have their list ready. Massa and his friends are hoping they get to sit on his lap while they present their list.

Posted by: jerry | March 12, 2010, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

Obama puts renewed focus on job creation
Obama Turns Focus to Job Creation
Obama pledges renewed focus on jobs
Honest to God, how stupid do you have to be to be a Democrat? How galactically stupid do you have to be to believe Obama or Pelosi or Reid or any other Democrat?

Posted by: drjohn | March 12, 2010, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

I still cannot figure Mr POTUS out.. why is he so totally focused on the health care reform? It just doesn’t seem possible that he believes so strongly in just one thing.

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | March 12, 2010, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

“why is he so totally focused on the health care reform?”
It’s a Trojan horse. Obama himself said that it’s only the beginning. Democrats would institute a public option and starve out private insurance. Democrats are pure liars.

Posted by: drjohn | March 12, 2010, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Obama was instrumental with TARP?Are you kidding me? He voted “yes”.WOW.Do you deny that Obama advocated that veterans should pay for their own sevice-related care?To me AS A VETERAN that was disgusting, but concordia apparently doesn’t have a problem with that.Electronic records have been in the pipeline for the last several years-Obama took office while previously planned transitions took place.Who cares whats true?What an ignorant statement.As for tierra,I can copy an Obama press release as easy as you can.Being a Canadian,you don’t realize that every year Veterans affairs funding increases as the need occurs. How much of the funding increase was already proposed or projected?

Posted by: Nephron | March 12, 2010, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

tierra – typical of the Obama and Peolosi and “Rahm it”
And the threats and “chicago polictics” go on….
Bart Stupak -
Now, in the debate’s final hours, Stupak says the other eleven are coming under “enormous” political pressure from both the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). “I am a definite ‘no’ vote,” he says. “I didn’t cave. The others are having both of their arms twisted, and we’re all getting pounded by our traditional Democratic supporters, like unions.”
The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”
And the politics of the issue are pretty rough. “This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me. On the left, they’re really stepping it up. Every day, from Rachel Maddow to the Daily Kos, it keeps coming. Does it bother me? Sure. Does it change my position? No.”

Posted by: susie | March 12, 2010, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Obama puts renewed focus on job creation
Obama Turns Focus to Job Creation
Obama pledges renewed focus on jobs
Honest to God, how stupid do you have to be to be a Democrat?
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Did you miss the recent Jobs Bill? Only BBrown plus 4 other Republicans were smart enough to back it?
Ready to vote against those Republicans?

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

.Do you deny that Obama advocated that veterans should pay for their own sevice-related care?
___________________________________
Pay attention to reality . . .
“Veterans would see an expansion of health care coverage and benefits under President Barack Obama’s 2010 budget blueprint released Thursday that calls for a 10 percent increase in spending to $53 billion.
The federal budget would boost programs for 5.5 million veterans getting prosthetics and care for vision, spinal cord and women’s health issues.
Programs targeting homeless veterans also would see an increase.
To eliminate long delays in health care after veterans are discharged, the budget calls for more funding to help the Department of Veterans Affairs retrieve electronic medical records from the Defense Department.
The budget also expands eligibility for veterans’ health care to over 500,000 veterans by 2013.”

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

RE: jobs, jobs, jobs
GOP’s Brown branded turncoat for jobs bill vote
Tue Feb 23, 6:26 pm ET
BOSTON – A month after being crowned the darling of national conservatives, Republican Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts is being branded “Benedict Brown” for siding with Democrats in favor of a jobs bill endorsed by the Obama administration.
Like the four other GOP senators who joined him, the man who won the late Democrat Edward Kennedy’s seat says it’s about jobs, not party politics. And that may be good politics, too.
The four other GOP senators who broke ranks — Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio and Christopher “Kit” Bond of Missouri — also were criticized on Tuesday.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Tierra, your posting is 100% accurate.
I brought this point up a while ago.
I realized the major diffrence between MSNBC and FOX. The commentators on MSNBC speak to their audience as if they are adults and understand poly sylobic words. Beck and company are usually screaming scaring their viewers with lies using mostly monosyllabic words. Red states which are the majority of the Liarcons base use more welfare and government aid than blue states. Are the people living in Missisippi or Alabama electing folks who vote against their best interests? Yes. Why? Redisricting has secured the seats of the professional politicians who couldn’t lose a dime in a sea of silver.
SECREG666

Posted by: secreg666 | March 12, 2010, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Obama was instrumental with TARP?Are you kidding me?
Posted by: Nephron | Mar 12, 2010 5:07:55 PM
NO!!! I’m not kidding at all, But I adore that you are so skilled at evasion, because why bother with how Paulson views it when we can just put forth our opinions!!!! Who gives a hoot if Paulson rightly noted that the Republicans in Congress were worthless tools without a lick of sense and that Pelosi, Franks and Obama were awesome and very helpful?? Who cares that the Right blamed Obama for TARP until it turned out it WORKED (who saw that one coming– not the Republicans! But heck now we can claim credit via Bush, even though we derided him for it!!!)Who cares if supply side economics is RIP and Paul Ryan’s roadmap is a rip off of the middle class in favor of the super wealthy??!
Are you kidding me???? Facts don’t matter. That’s what so awesome about drinking tea and being a self-identified “conservative” independent (who is really a Republican, but pretends otherwise for now because its kinda UNCOOL). Facts and history and records do NOT matter!>% Just carry around signs calling everyone MORANS (which is the tea party spelling for MORON!!)

Posted by: concordia discors | March 12, 2010, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Speaking of jobs tierra,do you have one? What is the unemployment rate in the Maritime Provinces?Why are you so interested in the affairs of a country that you can’t even vote in?Fashion File,Pembina institute-nobody in the USA has even heard of these Canadian items yet you feel free to drop them into notes as if an American would care.Unlike you I am an American taxpayer-I see waste of MY resources on a scale never before seen in the history of my country.

Posted by: Nephron | March 12, 2010, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Nephron, our country lost 7,000,000 jobs in the last 8 years. What are you saying? What point are you trying to get accross? Please share that so we can discuss it.
SECREG666

Posted by: secreg666 | March 12, 2010, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Some levity, on Halloween, Mitch McConnell and Chuck Grassly don’t need to wear masks. They’re two scary looking old codgers.
SECREG666

Posted by: secreg666 | March 12, 2010, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

Yes,they are.I have many children.

Posted by: Nephron | March 12, 2010, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Nephron, as a vet? How did you feel when the private for profit after care centers had mold, rats, and open electical lines that killed wounded soldiers after they received the best care possible by the Governemt run Walter Reed hoepital? Got anything to add? Did you know Bush did not include deaths caused buy IED’s in the tragic death tolls? Why do you think he excluded them? You’re a vet? You should be mad as helll.
SECREG666
SECREG666

Posted by: secreg666 | March 12, 2010, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

Casualty figures are set by the Department of Defense,not the White House.Yes, there were problems at first-but I would say that for the last 2-3 years our wounded servicemen have receieved the best rehabilitative care in the world.I have seen the prosthetics that are being used now and the excellent care that these heroes are getting.Fortunately the success of the Bush Iraq surge dramatically reduced the number those injuries.A surge violently opposed by the current Commander-in-Chief.Bush never advocated that wounded vets should pay for their care like Obama did.He was a veteran,unlike the Corpseman.

Posted by: Nephron | March 12, 2010, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Nephron, Bush ordered Viet Nam era body armour, and Hum Vee’s that did not protect our troops. Why? beacause he wanted to keep the costs down. Please don’t even go down this path. Now you’re saying the un necessary deaths are ok, since it’s fixed. What!! All the un necessary deaths caused by Bush/Cheneys lack of funding is OK?! You’re the father of many? BS!
SECREG666

Posted by: secreg666 | March 12, 2010, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

The latest Rasmussen Reports dating Monday March 8, 2010 finds that 53% of Americans are opposed to the health care plan. These figures include just 20% who Strongly Favor the plan and 41% who are Strongly Opposed.

Posted by: EPU | March 12, 2010, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

My bet is the healthcare bill isn’t much about health at all…….there is a reason we’re not “aloud” to see it, then when we do, from what I”ve see, it will be taken care of accordingly. I just thank God that acorn is banned from Ohio……bloggers, you really need to go to biggovernment, bigjournalism and fox new, you really don’t learn much here do ya?

Posted by: lyineyes1956 | March 12, 2010, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

A February 18, 210 Rasmussen Report also found that only 21% Say U.S. Government Has Consent of the Governed.
Obama and the Democrats do not represent America – only a 21% minority. The White House has compromised democracy to favor a elect few.

Posted by: EPU | March 12, 2010, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

The White House has compromised democracy to favor a elect few.
Posted by: EPU | Mar 12, 2010 6:59:46 PM
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Get real. The President has consistently scored around 50% approval rating for the past severals months.
Bush was under 30% approval, Cheney down around 11%.
Forget the Republican right nonsense.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

Posted by: EPU | Mar 12, 2010 6:45:22 PM
When you break down who is opposed to the current bills, you find a per centage who favour a stronger bill with a public option – they don’t think these go far enough.
When you combine people who support the current bills with people who would support bills that go further towards a public option you find you have a substantial majority of the people.

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Posted by: Noz | Mar 12, 2010 7:25:21 PM
Not at all Noz.
A substantial number of people oppose the current legislation – BECAUSE IT DOESN”T GO FAR ENOUGH – they want single payer, or at least public option.
Yet these people are included in the ‘oppose the legislation’ numbers!

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Now Nancy want to NOT have the House vote on the bill. According to Politico.com:
“In addition, it looks like House Democrats won’t have to vote directly on a Senate bill they really don’t like. The speaker hasn’t made a final decision, but she told her rank and file during the meeting that the plan now is to craft the legislation in such a way that they would “deem” the Senate bill passed once the House approves the package of fixes.”

Posted by: tanarg | March 12, 2010, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

tierra;
get real? is that the best you got? Go to Rasmussen Reports and look it up if you care a shred about finding out what Americans think of this bill.
This is how liberals react to facts: “get real”, “nonsense”, “not true”, “uh-uh”.

Posted by: EPU | March 12, 2010, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Posted by: EPU | Mar 12, 2010 7:35:28 PM
EPU you haven’t said a thing that contradicts what I posted . ..
A substantial number of people oppose the current legislation – BECAUSE IT DOESN”T GO FAR ENOUGH – they want single payer, or at least public option.
Yet these people are included in the ‘oppose the legislation’ numbers!

Posted by: tierra | March 12, 2010, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Obama is in a hurry to pass OCare and start collecting taxes–he’s desperate for some spending money.
Health care benefits for Americans?
That can wait a few years.
Do Obama’s backdoor pals at Big Pharma start profitting right away?

Posted by: ollie | March 12, 2010, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Maybe Obama is giving the Indonesian government more time to hide the student protesters.
Wouldn’t it be awful if Muslim students threw shoes at Obama.
Well he has kept most of Bush’s policies.

Posted by: mick | March 12, 2010, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

What part of NO does Obama and the dems not understand? None (0) of the democrat bills in congress addresses the real issue of healthcare cost. Medicare costs more than was projected to cost and now it is breaking the back of all taxpayers. Surely no one believes we can sustain another big entitlement program. Of course if they cut medicare it can eliminate some of the old people. Now IF Obama were really serious about cutting the waste and fraud in Medicare BEFORE taking on more people to the entitlement programs, he might get somewhere. But let’s keep in mind when we turn over our healthcare or anything else to the government, the employers or the unions we give up our freedom to choose what healthcare, doctors or hospitals.

Posted by: grey0066 | March 12, 2010, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

secreg666,you claim that Bush ordered Vietnam era body armour.This is a false statement.There is no such thing as Vietnam era body armour-the only protection at that time was the use of flak jackets.The majority of problems with body armour in Iraq was the failure to use the ballistic plates in the vest,done voluntarily because of restriction of movement concerns.Humvees were the standard combat transportation vehicles of the Army and USMC at the time of the Iraqi invasion.Bush didn’t order them anymore than he ordered the combat aircraft used in the war.Maybe he ordered the Marines to use LVTs also- standard Marine transport since the 1950s.By the way, these heavily armed and armoured vehicles also were lost to IEDs.Join the military and learn something about it before you make foolish statements.Do you know what a L and E statement is?

Posted by: Nephron | March 12, 2010, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

History has been pucntuated by periods of great moment. One such was Europe in 1848. The revolts that swept Europe were without immediate broadspread consequence but influenced subsequent great movements such as in the principles at the foundation of our own country.
I think that 2010 is also such a time in history. The limits of centralized power of government will be fully explored.
Unfortunately a much greater force, the National Debt, will soon overshadow all. There is a great tidal wave of debt that will soon wash over our enconmy. No one will esccape the consquences, not one.
What will you do?

Posted by: Quo Warranto | March 12, 2010, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

I want all of the people who are anti-healthcare reform to opt-out of all of the benefits that others will use. Stop the lies and the attacks on the best humanitarian plan this country has had in many years to take care of its citizens.
People who oppose healthcare fall into 3 groups: idiots, or they are wealthy and know the repeal of the Bush tax cuts is how we are going to fund healthcare, or you are a member of Big Pharma or the corrupt insurance companies who are driving up healthcare cost for pure profit.
All over the blogosphere there are more negative people screaming, not because you reflect the mindset of the majority of Americans but you have a vested interest in thwarting the Obama agenda.

Posted by: clarity | March 12, 2010, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

“When you break down who is opposed to the current bills, you find a per centage who favour a stronger bill with a public option – they don’t think these go far enough.
When you combine people who support the current bills with people who would support bills that go further towards a public option you find you have a substantial majority of the people.” – Posted by: tierra | Mar 12, 2010 7:17:25 PM
COMPLETELY WRONG and Off Base!
The majority of the people want Tort Reform which isn’t in the current bill at all!
The majority of the people are center leaning right.
The majority of the people do not want another entitlement program especially the “Government Option”.
tierra, be careful, you are starting to look foolish.

Posted by: Noz | March 12, 2010, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

Noz, you are way off base on what the majority of Americans believe should be changed about health care.
You do know that tort reform accounts for 1 to 1.5% of the money spent on health care. It is hardly a magic bullet, much as the far right likes to push that idea. And the cost of medical suits has not gone up faster than inflation, unlike every other aspect of medical care.

Posted by: Lydia | March 12, 2010, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

How a poll is worded makes a huge difference. When Americans are asked about the individual elements of health care reform, they are overwhelmingly in support of it. Honestly, who wouldn’t want the descrimination against Americans with pre-existing conditions to stop, or pricing those over 50 right out of the insurance market to be illegal and who wouldn’t want individual Americans to pool together to get better insurance rates as a group?
Folks, remember that the insurance industry has spent over 8 million dollars, your premium dollars in fact, to fight this health care reform bill.
That fact alone should tell you this bill will be good for the American people.

Posted by: Lydia | March 12, 2010, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

Lydia,you have an incomplete understanding about tort reform and the costs to the medical system.The 1-1.5% of total health care costs are reflective only of the pure legal issues-malpractice verdicts,court costs,etc.What is not measured is the billions of dollars spent on defensive medicine,money spent for tests and procedures of limited benefitthat are more to prvent a lawsuit than to treat a patient.For instance,look at fetal monitoring.It is an expensive process that contributes to the high C-section rate in this country.No study has shown it to statistically improve fetal outcomes,yet it is now the standard of care because it is a tool to prevent the OB from being sued.There are dozens of examples that would not be done if we had real tort reform.

Posted by: Nephron | March 13, 2010, 12:00 am 12:00 am

I suspect Pelosi will start foaming at
the mouth and howling soon. She is like
a rabid animal. Have they all gone insane
in Washington?

Posted by: wis134 | March 13, 2010, 7:47 am 7:47 am

Lydia, no this bill will NOT be good for America. Parts of it would, yes, but the Democrats have absolutely REFUSED to scrap this monstrosity and start over with small steps. Let’s implement changes that we think might work, see how it goes, tweek them, and add another. WHAT IS WRONG WITH DOING THIS SLOWLY. WHY IS IT A 2,000 PAGE BILL OR NOTHING. I’ll tell you why. The government wants their hand in this bill and this is the ONLY way they will be able to achieve it. VOTE NO!!!!!!

Posted by: M. Smith | March 13, 2010, 8:41 am 8:41 am

Posted by: Nephron | Mar 13, 2010 12:00:54 AM
Nephron, how do you account for medical costs in McAllen, Texas?
And what do you recommend be done in conjunction with tort reform to address overutilization (as it continues to occur even in states where tort reform has been put into place), to ensure patient safety and to reduce medical errors?
It isn’t a complete solution to the many ills in the system.
I think the Obama and Dem proposal is more comprehensive, and Obama has pragmatically agreed to look at tort reform.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 13, 2010, 9:43 am 9:43 am

This week, Obama told a fundraising audience in St. Louis that “it’s nice to get out of Washington.” WHAT???–He spent his first year in office JOY-RIDING to FOREIGN countries — many times with his family — at our expense. He made more foreign trips during his first year (10 trips involving stops in 21 nations) more than any U.S. president before him. Now, with the fate of HCR, the Campaigner-In-Chief is visiting American cities to ram Obamacare down our throats. This is the most corrupt administration in American history.

Posted by: GOD BLESS AMERICA --- LAND OF THE FREE??? NO MORE! | March 13, 2010, 11:30 am 11:30 am

He made more foreign trips during his first year (10 trips involving stops in 21 nations) more than any U.S. president before him.
____________________________________
There was a LOT of repair work to be done – and it’s worked . . .
“The United States is the most admired country globally thanks largely to the star power of President Barack Obama and his administration, according to a new poll.
“It climbed from seventh place last year, ahead of France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Japan which completed the top five nations in the Nation Brand Index (NBI).
“What’s really remarkable is that in all my years studying national reputation, I have never seen any country experience such a dramatic change in its standing as we see for the United States for 2009,” said Simon Anholt, the founder of NBI, which measured the global image of 50 countries each year.

Posted by: tierra | March 13, 2010, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

What did Obama promise?
Jobs, jobs, jobs.
What’s he doing?
Government takeover of everything.
Just how stupid do you have to be to be a Democrat?

Posted by: PROUD AMERICAN | March 13, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Poor irritated Gibbsy. “It’s not a vacation,” but it just happens to be during his kiddies’ spring break. Mommy and kiddies are coming along at taxpayers’ expense, but it’s not a vacation. Right.
The One, Michelle Antoinette, and the Little Ones need to stop jetting all over the world and stay home.

Posted by: ObamaneedstostayinUSA | March 13, 2010, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

“Mommy and kiddies are coming along at taxpayers’ expense, but it’s not a vacation. Right.”
_____________________________________
They covered their own expenses last summer, they’ll cover their own expenses on this trip.

Posted by: tierra | March 13, 2010, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

Obamacare does nothing to reduce medical costs, it steals money from MEDICARE to support and increases the deficit in the MEDICARE system by $500B. It is a shell game and a fraud. November is coming and we are going to fix Obama. He is a dangerous individual who refuses to listen to the majority of Americans. He is a egotistical radical narcissist and it is time to neuter him.

Posted by: james | March 13, 2010, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

“You do know that tort reform accounts for 1 to 1.5% of the money spent on health care. It is hardly a magic bullet, much as the far right likes to push that idea.”
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Posted by: Lydia | Mar 12, 2010 10:46:19 PM
Lydia, I can hardly begin to tell you how wrong those figures and you are.
I have a family member in the medical profession.
The amount of extra testing and CYA decisions amount to over 10x the figures you quoted. Too much due process is killing this country in more ways than you could fathom. The number factor in out of control health care costs is due to medical malpractice.
It is a fact of life.
Please come to grips with it.
You will be a better person and citizen if you do.

Posted by: Noz | March 13, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Sorry for the typo
That should read.
The number one factor of out of control health care costs is due to medical malpractice.

Posted by: Noz | March 13, 2010, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

All you haters on here get use to the fact the Obamacare will be passed next week just like we told you haters that Obama was going to beat McCain. You haters had over 8 years to get the American can affordable Health Care and you didn’t so deal with the fact the Dems will do the right thing for the American people. EAT YOUR HEART OUT – OBAMA CARE IS NEAR!

Posted by: gr | March 13, 2010, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Hey, Haters Obama care is near!

Posted by: gr | March 13, 2010, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

The people do not want this bill. Medicare is the largest denier of medical care in this country today. That is a government program interferring between patients and doctors. This will be the same on a larger scale. You won’t know what you had until it’s gone, then it will be too late.

Posted by: Gary | March 13, 2010, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

What doesn’t this Socialist Administration(OBAMA,PELOSI,REID)understand,the AMERICAN people are truly against this bill.Obama do everbody a favor,after this bill fails,will you please stay in AUSTRAILLIA. You are the biggest SPIN DOCTOR this country has ever seen. GOOD RIDDENS!!!!!

Posted by: Bill Hinch | March 13, 2010, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

Notice Obama wants to take over and do EVERYTHING except the one thing that people need, and tht doesn’t increase Governmental power: let the private sector recover and create jobs!! And why doesn’t he? Because he WANTS people out of work, and dependant on the Government for their subsistence. That increase the Democratic voting bloc. The only other reason is that he is completely incompetent!!

Posted by: dainmezron | March 13, 2010, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

From CNN: NEW YORK (Fortune) — A few nights ago in the historic Renaissance Grand Hotel in St. Louis, Mo., President Obama reassured a crowd of Senator Claire McCaskill supporters that health-care reform wouldn’t just be good for their health, it would be good for the health of the country: “I said at the beginning of this thing we would not do anything that adds to our deficit,” he said to the clapping audience. “This plan does not do anything to add to this deficit. And that’s how we should be operating.”
What he didn’t discuss was what kind of accounting he was using to generate such applause lines. And the answer to that sheds new light on whether the nearly $900 billion measure really delivers the savings — or, as many fear, does exactly the opposite.
The issue is critical, because America is hurtling towards a debt crisis. On March 5th, the Congressional Budget Office released a report stating that the federal debt will grow far faster than the president is predicting, reaching a staggering 90% of GDP by 2020. That’s comparable to the load now crippling Greece. In a decade, says the CBO, one dollar in six of federal spending would go towards paying interest almost equaling expenditures on Medicare.

Posted by: dainmezron | March 13, 2010, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

“Honestly, who wouldn’t want the descrimination against Americans with pre-existing conditions to stop,” Cool!! Let me call up Geico and tell them I am canceling my insurance untill I get in a wreck, then I want full coverage, zero deductable!! Do any of you not live at home with your parents?

Posted by: dainmezron | March 13, 2010, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Anyway Obama delayed his trip to his Indonesia (where he grew up in his younger days) and also Austrailia (sounds like an important trip he really needs to make huh) – so he could campaign for this reform bill. Lets hope it has the same effect and is as popular as when he campaigned for elected officials in the governors races. Obama is effectively campaigning for all the democrats in Congress this week LOL – cant wait to see what the November polls look like.

Posted by: superminority | March 14, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am

So when this is thrust down our throats the welfare ranks will be increased by those who are given government health care/insurance. If you don’t pay for it and the government gives it to you then it is welfare plain and simple.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | March 14, 2010, 3:50 am 3:50 am

In all seriousness, Obama’s trip to Australia was not going to be a vacation. How typical of the media to try to portray it as such. I’m there right now and the media here has painted a different picture. Aussies are in no way offended. We’re actually wishing Obama the best. While many Americans are opposing national health care, they fail to see how much of a benefit it really can be if it is done right. National health care will be much different to what Medicare/Medicaid is in the US now.

Posted by: Aquia80 | March 14, 2010, 8:38 am 8:38 am

and Obama has pragmatically agreed to look at tort reform.
Posted by: progressive mama

And federally funded abortion isn’t in this disaster…. Yet, Bart Stupak feels it neccesary to add language to the bill that SPECIFICALLY ban such funding. This man’s in bed with them and he doesn’t take them at their word either. Strange. But I’m supposed to?
Not.

Posted by: smartlillena | March 14, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am

this is only for vote related…..then delay

Posted by: Ilan Ben Menachem | March 18, 2010, 5:44 am 5:44 am

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