By Julie Percha

Mar 18, 2010 8:11am

New Dawns: Glimmers of Sunlight on Democratic Horizons

By Rick Klein You tell us where the madness lies. Just as a non-vote loomed on a non-bill with no price tag attached, Democrats get to start telling a different story over these next frenzied 72 hours. (CBO willing, that is, like everything else in this debate-turned-national-civics-lesson.) (And once the clock starts ticking down, which side is more likely to be cutting down nets?) Starting with the (still presumed) release of Congressional Budget Office cost estimates on the health care package, a new phase of the debate begins for Democrats. It takes away some of the stronger Republican talking points (no legislation, no price tags, for instance) and starts to melt the more persistent ones (process is a better story in a policy vacuum). Political dynamics are susceptible to winning streaks. Even the crowd noise — that ringing in your ears is straight from the phone lines on Capitol Hill — won’t maintain its volume (at least not until the Easter recess). Democrats get what may be a glimpse of their medium-term futures this morning, when President Obama signs a jobs bill. The sun will even be shining on the White House press briefing, with Robert Gibbs giving in to the kids’ demand for class to be held outside on Thursday. And — whether or not this is a game worth winning — remember that everything will look much different if and when Democrats are able to put some points on the board. “I’m confident it will pass. And the reason I’m confident that it’s going to pass is because it’s the right thing to do,” President Obama told Fox News’ Bret Baier on Wednesday. An assertion that’s probably harder to dispute: “I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or Senate,” the president said. Momentum: “House Democrats are inching toward the majority they need to pass health care legislation, giving them added confidence as they work out the last details of the bill and gird for a showdown as soon as this weekend,” The New York Times’ David M. Herszenhorn and Robert Pear report. “Democratic leaders say they have not nailed down the 216 votes they need for passage, but they are pressing ahead in the belief that they can get them.” Let’s go to the whiteboard: ABC’s Jonathan Karl counts 206 no’s, and at least 200 yes votes. “Which leaves a universe of about 25 Democrats who are now undecided, undeclared, where this battle will be fought over the next 72 hours,” Karl said on “Good Morning America” Thursday. (And Senate Democrats are circulating a pledge to commit to taking up the reconciliation package, primarily to secure votes in the House.) ABC’s Jake Tapper, on that group of roughly 25: “President Obama is going to be reaching out to about half of them today.” Hearing from one of them: “I’ve never seen anything like the passion of this,” Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Pa., told George Stephanopoulos on “GMA.” “It’s not about the number of the bill — it’s about bringing down the cost of health care, and slowing down the trajectory … I want to see systemic reform.” “I’m not worried about the political implications of this — it’s too important a vote,” Altmire said. “Whether I win or lose, or I’m in Congress or not, I still have to live in Pittsburgh, and … I have to know I did the right thing.” “The dominoes started falling into place for House Democratic leaders whipping their health care overhaul Wednesday, with a slow trickle of key undecided Members announcing their support for the bill or signaling they were leaning that way,” Roll Call’s Tory Newmyer and Steven T. Dennis report. “President Obama and Democratic leaders gathered momentum for their sweeping healthcare overhaul Wednesday, picking up support from Democratic factions where defections were most feared: liberals, abortion opponents and backbenchers,” the Los Angeles Times’ Janet Hook and Noam N. Levey report. A flip, and a crack in the Stupak coalition: “House Democratic leaders were buoyed by the backing of Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, who’d voted against the bill in November, and of Rep. Dale Kildee, D-Mich., who explained, ‘I am a staunch pro-life member of Congress, both for the born and the unborn,’ ” McClatchy’s David Lightman reports.   Starring Dennis Kucinich as … you guessed it: “According to legend, if you catch a leprechaun in the forest, the little creature must grant you three wishes,” Dana Milbank writes in his Washington Post column. “Our Kenyan Hawaiian commander in chief evidently has the luck of the Irish, because, just in time for St. Patrick’s Day, President Obama bagged himself a leprechaun — in Cleveland, of all places — and on Wednesday his first wish was granted.”  But did the president need another closed-door meeting with a powerful interest group, at this stage? “Democrats are seeking to make sure the legislation would reduce federal deficits annually over the next decade and are revisiting details of a planned tax on high-cost insurance plans that’s been a sticking point for organized labor,” the AP’s Erica Werner reports. “Richard Trumka, head of the AFL-CIO, met with Obama at the White House on Wednesday, and officials said the labor leader raised concerns. Obama has proposed significantly softening the tax in keeping with an earlier deal with organized labor, and labor leaders want to preserve that accord, at a minimum.” Working it up to the end: “People close to the situation said House leaders Wednesday appeared about 10 votes shy of the 216 needed to pass the legislation,” Greg Hitt and Janet Adamy write in The Wall Street Journal. “The Congressional Budget Office hasn’t released its official tally, with Democrats seeking changes to the bill to ensure it pulls down the deficit. To help achieve that goal, Democrats moved Wednesday to raise revenue from a proposed tax on high-value plans. Among other things, Democratic leaders agreed to alter how the tax’s threshold would change over time, effectively encompassing more people in the second decade of the program than it would have. Additional steps were taken to pare the cost, individuals familiar with the matter said, with the goal of keeping the 10-year cost at $950 billion.” And working it, and working it: “As President Barack Obama left a St. Patrick’s Day luncheon at the Capitol on Wednesday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi walked beside him, speaking softly. When the two came upon a Democrat who hasn’t committed to voting yes on the health care bill, Pelosi would tell Obama, ‘We could use help on this one,’ according to a person who saw the stroll. Obama, in turn, would tell the wavering Democrat, ‘We’re counting on you,’ ” Politico’s John Bresnahan and Jonathan Allen report. The Wall Street Journal’s Laura Meckler: “In the past week, Mr. Obama has met one-on-one with Scott Murphy, a freshman New York Democrat, as well as Reps. Suzanne Kosmos (D., Fla.) and Brian Baird (D., Wash.). All three voted no on the House’s version of the health overhaul last November but are reconsidering.” “These people,” as in Republican opponents: “Part of my calculus as well is the manner in which these people have conducted themselves,” Rep. Brian Baird, D-Wash., told Bloomberg News. “People say, ‘What a hypocrite,’ ” Baird told the Seattle Times’ Kyung M. Song. “What I want to say is, ‘It’s a different bill.’” Saved by the nuns? “Roman Catholic opposition to the health care overhaul package is crumbling, with some church officials and lawmakers concluding that their long-sought goal of health care overhaul trumps the desire to adopt the severest restrictions on abortion funding,” Susan Milligan writes in The Boston Globe. “A coalition of 59,000 nuns released a letter yesterday calling on Congress to approve the overhaul, defying the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, which opposes the measure. The Catholic Health Association, which represents 1,200 Catholic hospitals, has endorsed the package, as have Catholics United and Catholic groups promoting social justice.” “This is the real pro-life stance,” the nuns wrote to Democrats who oppose abortion rights. “If a handful of pro-life Democrats agree with the nuns, it could be enough to guarantee passage,” the New York Daily News’ Ken Bazinet and Michael McAuliff write. Maybe not a rallying cry — but maybe close enough: “I am your worst-case scenario. And I’d do it all again,” Marjorie Margolies writes in a Washington Post op-ed. “Simply put, you could be Margolies-Mezvinskied whether you vote with or against President Obama. You will be assailed no matter how you vote this week. And this job isn’t supposed to be easy. So cast the vote that you won’t regret in 18 years.” Also not a bumper sticker — but maybe close enough: “Do you really think the Republicans are out there trying to save Democrats from themselves?” Obama pollster Joel Benenson tells Time’s Michael Scherer. “This is what people don’t understand. People are frustrated that Congress doesn’t seem able to work together to do the job that people think they sent them there to do.”   More on the stakes — Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., to Politico’s Glenn Thrush: “The first risk [of a health care defeat] is that he loses the reelect,” she said. “I think the risk to Congress is that his approval rating goes so low, he does not have enough heft to lift other important things we want to work on. … So this is a gut check. He’s got so much to lose by continuing to push for something that’s not going to be immediately popular. It’s not going to be popular by November; it’s not going to be popular by November of 2012. It’ll be popular 10 years from now.” And if you thought the fight was joined now … “Enacting ObamaCare would be only the beginning. The controversy surrounding its passage and how it might work would preoccupy the president, Congress and millions of average Americans for the foreseeable future — and then some,” Fred Barnes writes in The Wall Street Journal. Part of what’s taken everything so long: “President Obama’s agenda has so overloaded Congress that its legislative gatekeepers – the analysts who score each bill and the auditors who weed out waste and fraud – can’t keep up,” the Washington Times’ Stephen Dinan reports. “Repeated requests from lawmakers seeking to have their health care reform plans evaluated have overwhelmed the Congressional Budget Office, where some health analysts are putting in 100-hour workweeks.” Wait — you didn’t forget about the Senate, did you? “Democrats might like to think that health care reform is all but a done deal if it clears the House, but the Senate is where Republicans have been plotting for months to sentence it to a painful procedural death,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown and Manu Raju write. “Republicans are plotting ways to strike major elements of the reconciliation bill, including changes to the special Medicaid deal for Nebraska and the carve-out for Florida senior citizens from Medicaid Advantage cuts. They are also going small bore, looking to strike seemingly minor provisions, including one that would fix language dealing with the employer mandate and the construction industry.”  From the DNC talking points, in the wake of The New York Times profile of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: “The fact that Republicans had a plan in place from day one to deny Democrats any Republican votes in the Senate for the President’s agenda shows that their rhetoric about wanting a bipartisan recovery package or a bipartisan health care bill was all a ruse and political spin.  They have delayed and obstructed not simply because they disagree with the President’s policies – but because they think it is a winning political strategy,” DNC communications director Brad Woodhouse wrote to “interested parties.” And remember that it’s easy to change your flight plans when you own your own plane: “As it stands now, the president and many of his top advisers intend to board Air Force One early Sunday morning. And so the question has been bandied about all over Washington in the past several days: Is he really going, especially if the House vote hasn’t taken place?” The Washington Post’s Michael Shear reports. “Officially, the answer is yes,” he continues. “But the decision to leave raises all sorts of ‘what if?’ scenarios.” Speaking of travel… “During this week’s health care push on Capitol Hill, Obama and senior advisers have been telling lawmakers that they will not be left standing alone in a difficult election year if they cast a tough vote for the health care overhaul,” the AP’s Philip Elliott reports. “But with Obama’s popular support at its lowest level since he took office, it’s unclear which Democrats will want to wrap themselves in his presidency as the party heads into the midterm election campaign.” Where he may be wanted, but may not want to go: “President Barack Obama has campaigned for embattled Democrats this year in Massachusetts, Colorado and Nevada. There’s one trouble spot he’s so far stayed away from: his adopted home state of Illinois,” Bloomberg’s John McCormick writes. Wait — did Congress get moving on the jobs front? At 11:20 am ET, per the White House, “the President will sign the HIRE Act, a bill that will spur job growth and strengthen the private sector by encouraging businesses to hire new workers and invest in their companies and communities. He will be joined by members of Congress, members of the President’s cabinet and economic team, small business owners and workers in the Rose Garden.” Eleven Republicans joined Democrats: “The legislation, approved 68 to 29, would give employers an exemption from payroll taxes through the end of 2010 on workers they hire who have been unemployed for at least 60 days. It also extends the federal highway construction program, shifts $20 billion to road and bridge building and takes other steps to bolster public improvement projects,” Carl Hulse writes in The New York Times. Coming Thursday, on ABC’s “Nightline”: “In his first interview since returning from the Middle East last week, ABC News ‘Nightline’ spends an all access day in the life of Vice President Joe Biden. ABC News Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper will join the Vice President as he travels to North Carolina for a visit to Cree Manufacturing in Durham to highlight the administration’s efforts to create green jobs. In addition to documenting the Vice President’s trip, Mr. Tapper will also sit down with Mr. Biden for a discussion on the economy, health care reform, and his recent trip to Israel.”
The Kicker: “Look, Rahm was only pointing his finger.” — Vice President Joe Biden, cracking a shower joke about the White House chief of staff, at the Radio and Television Correspondents Association Dinner. “I said to him, ‘Rahm, at least put on a towel.’ ” — President Obama, treading similar ground.
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User Comments

I am sick of hearing the lie about “bringing down the cost of health care”. That is a pure, bare-faced lie, and everyone who has run the numbers says it is a lie.
Let’s get the liers out of government.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | March 18, 2010, 9:03 am 9:03 am

President Obama stated the Healthcare Reform Bill will be published for several days before it becomes law. Read between the lines. What he’s saying is it will be published before he signs it, not before a vote is taken. But that vote won’t be for or against the bill. That vote will be about whether the Democrats in congress are willing to follow their leader over the cliff like lemmings and whether they truly believe we don’t know what’s best for us so they’ll let us know what’s best for us when they feel like it.

Posted by: gollywiggle | March 18, 2010, 10:00 am 10:00 am

It’s not the version of healthcare reform the Senate barely sneaked through by buying votes. So effectively with President Obama writing the new version of the bill in the darkness and no published document in place and no vote on the terms of the unknown new legislation the congress has been removed from the legislative process while the President has become the singular author of whatever the bill contains.

Posted by: gollywiggle | March 18, 2010, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Mr. Obama? Just Stop. You don’t have the votes and the American people will not allow you to manufacture votes which is precisely what is happening as I write this. I’m a mild mannered individual but this, this HR3950 and the way you folks are behaving is making me and everyone around me crazy.
Tina

Posted by: Tina | March 18, 2010, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Now that the CBO has stated that the health bill will deduce the deficit….watch out for the wingnuts to bash the CBO in 3..2..1..
Just like they bash anything when actual facts do not go their way. Maintaining their love of taking pride for being ignorant.

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 10:52 am 10:52 am

I pledge that if this thing passes, I will work and spend money on every challenge to the democrats in office throughout this nation. I will contribute money to every organization that seeks to overthrow this piece of legislation. Everyone knows that the CBO projection is always too low, and that the cost of government is always too high. There has never been an exception. If you don’t believe me, take a look at SS and Medicare. They’re bankrupted!! We are in so much debt. This legislation is not about healthcare. It’s about more money to the government to pay for things that they’ve charged to us. The healthcare argument is such a red herring. Will people wake up to the fact that we’re heading over a cliff and there is no return???

Posted by: Gina | March 18, 2010, 10:54 am 10:54 am

If it passes the war will only be begining….peacefull resistance in the form of not buying insurance and not paying taxes will begin… I want to see them arrest millions of Americans for peacefull resistance…good luck with that!

Posted by: as if | March 18, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am

This President was Elected by a Majority of Americans Clearly running on a Health Care Reform Platform. He’s doing just that! What part of that aren’t you Sore loser Republicans not understanding?

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Where was your Concern and Worry when Bush and Cheney were starting Two illegal Wars based on Fabricated Lies? Two Unfunded WARS! Where was you outrage over Constitutional trampling when they passed the Patriot Act Wire Tapping all of us? Torturing innocent poeple. Outing CIA agents who weren’t going along with their Lies? Losing 1000′s of Emails when asked to produce them? etc etc etc… Bush and Cheney with their Deregulations and Tax Breaks for Companies sending your Jobs over to India and China nearly Destroyed our Economy! Last Election the People Spoke and said Clearly to the Republicans, YOU’RE FIRED!!!! now get the H3ll out of the way of progress and let our Duely elected President and Congress do their Elected Jobs!!! Fixing Bushes Messes

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Don’t worry in 2012 Sarah Quitter Palin and Joe the Fake Plumber will run for the Presidency and fix Everything with ther Drill Baby Drill Economic approach!!! Nah, Sarah won’t give up those Paid for Gigs..

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am

MajorityRule; Ironically Obama was also elected an a platform of corruption reform in politics, restoration of bipartisanship and transparency. One out of four ain’t good my friend. He fails the test on three out of four. Why should we trust him now?

Posted by: gollywiggle | March 18, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am

The Senate has rejected the House version of healthcare reform and published their own version which the house rejected. How can it be possible, both bills having been deemed flawed, that by combining the two rejected bills the features of both make an acceptable package that can be deemed law?

Posted by: gollywiggle | March 18, 2010, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Republicans and Right Wingers lost the Elections. We had 8 years of your Chosen Republican Leadership and it nearly destroyed our Beloved Country! Shattered Economy, Markets, Real Estate, Two illegal Unfunded Wars, Wire Taping, Torture! Americans had Enough and Elected a Democratic President, Congress and Senate! It’s been a little over a year and the Markets have bounced back from Bushes lows, Real Estate is showing signs of life, We’re gaining Global Respect and Finally after Decades of Republlcan obstructionism favoring Insurance Companies we’re getting close to Insurance Reform.. What more can you ask of a President in such a short time… The November Elections will surely let you Republicans know if America is ready for another Dissasterous try at Republican Leadership

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am

What you Right Wingers now Call Corruption was called Business as usual by the Bush Administration.. Its Politics, one hand washes the other.. Deals are struct.. Nothing illegal when the Republicans were doing all of the same, Concilliation, Deeming Bills Passed, Deals to Farmers, Insurance Companies.. etc.. Stop the Bull and wake up… because the Rest of America has woken up while you Right Wingers are still a deep Confederate Flag Waving Coma…

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 11:55 am 11:55 am

MajorityRules; Enjoy your bask in the sun while the Dems have the majority vote in both legislative bodies. Use this time wisely. We have observed your party’s underhanded tactics. The patriots of America will replace that majority in November. Take a look back at the red vs blue map following the election of ’08 and understand what a small portion of the population of these United States was able to take control in ’08. We are awake now, countless millions of concerned citizens, and the government won’t listen to our pleas to stop and reassess. We are aware of the style of transformation our leaders have in mind and we don’t want it, won’t allow it.

Posted by: gollywiggle | March 18, 2010, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

IT’S THE DEBT STUPID !
Obama is hoodwinking the public by talking deficit reduction as opposed to addressing the REAL CRISIS, the NATIONAL DEBT ! Deficit reduction is like you merely charging less on your credit card, WHILE YOU ARE STILL CHARGING !
So, with Obama is it TRANSPARENCY OR DESPOTISM ? I have already made up my mind!
The debt is already climbing beyond the twice raised ceiling, the OBAMA/PELOSI/REID trident are forecast to double it in five years and triple it in ten. Unfunded liabilities of the government now exceed $105 trillion while the net woth of the nation’s assets are but $51.5 trillion. So where’s the HOPE in this CHANGEY ???

Posted by: Ed Taylor | March 18, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Once Again, What part of Obama was Elected by a Majority of Americans to lead us out of the Republican Created Dark Ages of Economic Ruin? Health Care Reform will Pass, Once Passed everyone will realize that none of the Non-sense you Right Wing Lunatics have been predicted to happen will have materialized and people will see the Major Benefits for the Majority of Americans who put this Democrat in office to Reform Healthcare.

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Everyone knows for a fact that the Republican Strategy to rebuild their Flat lined Party is to do anything and everything to prevent Obama from succeeding at Everything He’s trying to Fix… What will happen in November is that we THE MAJORITY who put this Democrat in office will finish Flushing out the remaining Republican Obstructionists left stinking up Congress and the Senate…

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required to administer HB3200.
That is an unacceptable expansion of a
government that is already too intrusive in our lives.
If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let’s put them to work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out
there.”
Also, the 20/80 rule (or maybe 10/90) applies with the government! 20% do 80% of the work

Posted by: Ed Taylor | March 18, 2010, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

MajorityRule; Good to see you’re still obsessed with Republican vs Democrat politics. I’m not talking about either. The real patriots of this country now understand that both parties have undesirable agendae. Those of us in the middle elected this congress and senate and president. We’ve seen the error in our thinking and won’t make that mistake again in the foreseeable future.

Posted by: gollywiggle | March 18, 2010, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Ed, the fact you can rant in public answers your question. A Despot would have you tossed into a secret prison… and tortured until you “confessed”, ala the Bush/ Cheney years.
As for Debt… I don’t see you crying about us spending $10 Billion a month in Iraq (average figure… actually down to $7.9 since Obama took office)… but you’d rather the nation spend a growing amount of its GDP for health care while receiving less care every year?
gollywiggle, your “patriots” are simply greed folk. There are actually more humanitarian’s in America than self centered “Dem haters” who appreciate the fact that SOMEONE is standing up for the common person.
Remember folks… all of the folks on Medicaid/ Medicare are ALREADY COVERED! No hand outs here… this covers the working class who cannot afford anything but make too much for other programs.
This creates jobs, it improves national health, it reduces costs for the people and the employers while bringing down the national debt and extending the solvency of existing social safety nets.
To oppose this is to oppose the tax payer and reward the corrupt institutions that currently are your “Death Panels”.

Posted by: DewyB | March 18, 2010, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Has anyone on this site even read the bill??? Of course not. THere isn’t a final draft to read. The very things the Demoncrats chastised the Republicans for during the previous admninistrations are what they are doing. All need to go. They are all crooks. Reform the healthcare just not with this piece of c–p legislation.

Posted by: mj | March 18, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Anyway this bill is viewed, it’s being
financed/carried by a 3/2 rds reduction in Medicare expendures. Seniors get a double dose of economic pain and reduced care. Oh! Obama said it’s not true, and illegals will not be covered.
I wish we could believe him.

Posted by: LL | March 18, 2010, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

MajorityRule; Footnote: Thank goodness the Republicans are “guarding the fort” while we wait for November.

Posted by: gollywiggle | March 18, 2010, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

You can believe Obama… its the repubs who continue to stretch and bend the truth.
See any death panels in the bill?
Find the spot where Hospitals become Federal Property?
Has anyone found the Mandatory abortion ruling that Ms. Bachman keeps ranting about?
Face it… Dems are about to pass a flawed but BETTER health care bill that includes a great many repub ideas… included to try and be “bi-partisan”… but Obama and the Dems can only reach out so much before they have to do SOMETHING.
Want a better bill? Pressure your representative to legislate rather than sit on their hands and shake their head no.

Posted by: DewyB | March 18, 2010, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Majority rules–”This President was Elected by a Majority of Americans Clearly running on a Health Care Reform Platform. He’s doing just that! What part of that aren’t you Sore loser Republicans not understanding?”— I am not understanding the part where the president and congress decided that they can trample the constituion, circumvent the rules of law and pass a bil that America has rejected IN MAJORITY simply because they were elected and now govern… What part of being elected by a majority do you believe give this or any president the right to do what ever they want regardless of the rule of law?

Posted by: arkie vet | March 18, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

Last acts of desperation from GOP and their friends on the health bill. What’s new?

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

I don’t like this bill because it is over a thousand pages. To me, that means that it will be too complicated for our government to run successfully and will have too much waste in it. However, I don’t like the republican plan either, which is the health care system we currently have. Medical cost doubled during the years they controlled government and they did nothing about it. They thought it was okay to ration health care to those wealthy enough to afford the skyrocketing prices or those who were fortunate to work for a company that does a good job of selecting a quality health care plan for their employees. Republicans claim to have better ideas, but they sound like empty campaign promises to me.

Posted by: MikeMo1947 | March 18, 2010, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

MikeMo1947: Could you find out the number of pages in other bills that passed the congress? Stop grasping for straws with flimsy excuses.

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Majorityrules—”Where was your Concern and Worry when Bush and Cheney were starting Two illegal Wars based on Fabricated Lies? Two Unfunded WARS! Where was you outrage over Constitutional trampling when they passed the Patriot Act Wire Tapping all of us? Torturing innocent poeple. Outing CIA agents who weren’t going along with their Lies?– Hummm where to start.. first, the wars were not illegal.. they were approved by congress under the war powers act which is all that is required under the law..the “fabricated lies” were 20 separate pieces of intelligence from 17 different nations…hardly “fabricated” i’d say.. All wars are unfunded… We have never included in our annual budget money for an upcoming war.. the patriot act did not trample our rights by wire tapping all of us (by the way, Obama continues to employ the Patriot act.. it has not been repealed) I assume when you mention wiretaping, you are referring to the computer falgging of calls that was allowed under the act..this DID NOT wire-tap everyone as you stated.. it ran a computer check of incoming and outgoing NUMBERS only. IF the call log indicated numbers to known terrorist elements then and only then could a FISA warrent be procured to tap that phone line…”tapping all of us” is a fabrication to say the least..torturing innocent people… Water boarding (which is something we actually do to our own people in survival training) Al quaida operatives who DID provide information as a result is not “torturing innocent people”..It saved innocent people.. do you not understand the difference..? Outing a CIA agent…first, teh person who actually wrote the law on “outing” stated that Ms Plame did not qualify as an “operative” under the rule and no law was broken in “outing her”.. the outing was done by a member of the media who was not prosecuted… the only gulity verdict (against Libby) was for failing to completely answer the questions of the special prosecutor… not for the actual “outing” of anyone.. basically Libby got jail time for not telling the “whole truth” about something that was not even a violation of the law to begin with. Your post is ridiculous

Posted by: arkie vet | March 18, 2010, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

New Wave – If the founding fathers can create a new form of goverment in about 30 pages (the Constitution), why does Congress pass bills with hundreds and thousands of pages to revise something? It is because it is full of favors to congressmen and creates a complicated set of new rules and exceptions. That is not grasping of straw, but an example of how both parties are incompetent and why Congress has such a poor rating regardless of which party has control. I want everyone to vote out the leadership of both parties regardless of how much money they spend on campaigns and what empty promises they make. If the leadership gets fired, then maybe the new leadership will reconsider how the parties operate.

Posted by: MikeMo1947 | March 18, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

MikeMo1947. Wow, just wow, so you have to go all the way back to 1776 to talk about the number of pages in the declaration on independence? My question is a simple one: You state the number of pages in the health bill and I asked how many pages are in other bills passed in congress?
We are trully in a sorry state if we are reduced to debate the number of pages in bills and not what the bills do. That’s a shame!

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

The government system is beginning to look as bad as many other countries.
No longer can we say, we have one of the best democracies in the world. We now see that it is bordering on a dictatorship.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | March 18, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

I agree … peaceful resistance.

Posted by: Larry Langenkmap | March 18, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Rick McDaniel: And your point is?
Thank God for technology. I can’t wait to replay clips/read blogs archives in 7 years time when a President with a different background assumes office.

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Boy, I could sure go for some good ole war somewhere instead of this healthcare crap. The hell with healthcare. I heard Iceland has weapons of mass destruciton. Lets invade them!

Posted by: Jackson | March 18, 2010, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

New Wave: Your parents still pay for everything??????

Posted by: Lizzie | March 18, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Obama MUST FAIL! This will be his WaterLoo!!! The Republican Call to ARMs to revive the Party that was just Voted out of office by a Majority of Americans, thanks to 8 Years of Dismal Republican Bush, Cheney Leadership!!! What makes you Clowns believe that after 8 of the Worst Years in this Countries History thanks to Bush and Cheney, the Republicans should be given another Shot after Obama has only been in office for a little over a year? Has he done anything yet as Wrong As any of those idiotic Republican Strategies implemented over the Bush Years?

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Wow, Mr. Obama and the Democrats are saying “We don’t care what America wants” and are ramming this down our throats. They are so clueless!

Posted by: meathead530 | March 18, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

MajorityRule, yes you’re right and for the last year its been buyers remorse. But I want FREE healthinsurance,and for the government to pay for my mortgage, utilities, cars, groceries, vacations and everything else I have to work for right now.

Posted by: Lizzie | March 18, 2010, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

yawn……zzzzzzzzzzzz
Next Stop – Financial reform

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

A Majority of Americans Want Health Care Reform! It was one of Obamas Platforms when he Ran! and why he soundly beat his Republican opponent. Unlike Bush who sides with Big Business over the People, Obama is about to come through with his Campaign promise of Health Care Reform.. What the Minority losing Party wants is really not important…

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

Healthcare Reform will pass the Majority of Americans will Embrace it and come Nov and 20012 We, The Majority will flush the Rest of you Smelly Republican Turds down the Toilet where you belong. It’ll take decades to get the Stench of Repubublican Corruption out of our Great Country but we’ll eventually have a breath of Fresh Air.. Obama will go down in History as the President who made it Happen for the People.. Not bad for a Community Organizer as opposed to an Oil and Money pair of CEO’s….

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

MajorityRule, how is it that you always forget that the democrats had the majority 2 years BEFORE pres. Obama got elected and thats when the economy went south.

Posted by: Lizzie | March 18, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Big Business has to be taken out of the Congress and Senate… We already cleaned up in the White House…

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

99% of Medicare Fraude is perpetuated by Republican owned Businesses who know how to Bleed the System dry.. They know their Days are numbered.. Show me a Healthcare Clinic that Busses in Elderly to Over Charge Medicare and I’ll show you a Republican owned Healthcare Clinic…. They’re all crooks…

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Stop the Medicare Fraude going to Republican Owned Medical Businesses/Clinics and you’ll save Billions in Medicare Waste.

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Lizzie – a majority in Congress is meaningless if you have a President who Vetoes all efforts to correct things.. Stop the BS…

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

come Monday We’ll have Health Care Reform and we can move on to Mopping up the Next Republican Mess, Financial Reform.. you’ll all crawl back into your latrines and we won’t hear anything more about it. Just like all the Noise over Sonya Sotto Mayor, once she got nominated, she started doing her job and you idiots never brought her up again… You’re grasping at straws.. and too think all you have to look forward to to save your Dying Party is Sarah Quitter Palin and Joe the Fake Plumber in 2012.. LOL

Posted by: MajorityRule | March 18, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

MikeMo1947: I don’t have time for meaningless circular debate that have no bearing to improving our health insurance system. Try another person.

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

BTW.. GOP Sen and Adulterer John Ensign will be going down before November.
Looking at diaper-wearing GOP Sen Vitter for his next move
Party of ‘Familiar Values’ (pun intended)

Posted by: New Wave | March 18, 2010, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Don’t forget, people, Obama is the president who brought the country back from the brink of economic collapse.

Posted by: what667 | March 18, 2010, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country – JFK

Posted by: Alex | March 19, 2010, 4:02 am 4:02 am

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