Obama Makes ‘Historic’ Pitch for Health Care Reform, After a Year of ‘Rock ‘Em Sock ‘Em Robots’

***But the president said after a year of debate the heart of the question still is: “whether we’re going to accept a system that works better for the insurance companies than it does for the American people –because if this vote fails, the insurance industry will continue to run amok.”***
Yes because the states themselves have zero regulation on the health insurance industry.

The CBO numbers exclude the $371-billion doc-fix. Why is that not considered as part of the cost when they admit they will do that as well?

55% of Americans oppose this current federal legislation while only 35% favor it. How exactly is this historic? Obama stated in 2003 and in 2008 that he eventually wanted to see a single payer system. That is, government taking over the health care industry. He even mapped out its future “it may take 10, 15, 20 years, but a single payer system is what I envision”.
This is historic only to Obama and his government-takeover-of-private-industry cronies. This is historic in that it will forever transform the nation (it may take 10, 15, or 20 years, like Obama said) into a socialist State.
Circumventing the 55% of Americans who oppose this bill in favor of big government is historic with replacing what is supposed to be a representative democracy into a dictatorship. But don’t worry it will only ‘take 10, 15, or 20 years’ for it to happen. Just don’t tell your kids.

Historic Blunder!! The real cost of the Obamacare is over $1.2 Trillion, not the $940 the Democrats said. The Democrats took out the $340 Billion in doctor’s pay and put it in a separate bill. Come on ABC News – stop kissing up to Obama and the Democrats – and do some real journalism.

The constitutional scholar vs. the constitution.

POTUS and the Wicked Witch of the House both claimed yesterday that this is the biggest deficit reduction bill in ~ 20 years. That’s right. Universal health care AND once-in-a-generation deficit reduction all in one bill!!!
It takes historic gullibility to swallow that.

Gee all those people standing behind Obama I guess have read this bill I think not they have a big suprise coming.

Dont get sick or old because when the panel who will regulate the costs and services deem you are using to many resources they will pull the plug on you.
Posted by: Lester
even IF.. …….your hypothetical was in any way accurate, .. which it isn’t…
I’d still take my chances with the Dems rather than the right wing villagers and republicans…….

Posted by: Tom | Mar 19, 2010 2:23:24 PM
Check out Kaiser Health’s Tracking poll. You’re out of touch with the most recent numbers.

The Kaiser survey found that: “Forty-two percent say “Congress has debated health care reform long enough and it is time for them to take a vote.” Thirty-six percent would like lawmakers to “go back to the drawing board and start over again on a new proposal.” And 20 percent say “Congress should stop talking about health care reform and move on to other topics.”

if the bill had merit, why are they resorting to gimmics to pass it? anyone who works, will work, or did work, will pay way too much, to support a bunch of deadbeats. income transfer from worker to slacker

Kudos to pm mama for finding a poll that suggests Americans support this bill. That could not have been easy.

Hey Tierra, Progressive Mama and What Now: Enjoy it while you can. 2010 and 2012 will return Republicans to power. Why? Because many people didn’t like Bush spending money — they really don’t like Obama spending even more – plus the guy has promised the moon. When medical insurance premiums continue to rise, taxes go up not just for health insurance but when the Bush tax cuts expire and State and local governments raise taxes (my city taxes just went up 10%)the American people will be even madder than they are now. Plus, Obama, Nancy and Harry are turning my moderate friends into diehard Republicans! The more left this Administration moves, the more right the country moves. Bye Bye Dems

Because many people didn’t like Bush spending money — they really don’t like Obama spending even more
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I guess your friends aren’t smart enough to remember there was a severe economic collapse on Bush’s shift – the worst since the Great Depression – and the effect that has on deficits and budgets . . . nor that Bush not paying for the 2 wars, the seniors plan and the tax cuts for the rich is over half the reason we have the deficits we do now . … ?
Hope they educate themselves – for the good of the country.

We absolutely understand and we don’t like it.
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Really? Here’s the questions the tea partiers couldn’t answer correctly (or even come close)
how much does the federal government get in taxes as a percentage of GDP (and how does this percentage compare to where we were 10 years ago, 20, and so on?)
how much does a typical family making $50,000 per year pay in federal income taxes (in dollars or as a percentage of income)
are taxes higher, lower or the same as when Barack Obama was inaugurated last year?
And then there’s the questions about oil from Alaska… and so on.
As for people not liking health care (I’m hoping you mean the reform legislation, not simply health care), check out the Kaiser Health Tracking Poll for March. the country is divided, but most Americans support health care reform, and its pretty even as to how many support and oppose the current bill specifically.

You still ducking that question?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Mar 19, 2010 8:05:32 PM
That wasn’t the question.
And yes, until after health care reform passes. Absolutely.

Posted by: 4civility | Mar 19, 2010 8:52:23 PM
Oh sheesh. I didn’t forget it– you had already posted it. I cited your post when I said you forgot the part I cited at 5:32:02 PM .
As for spin, that’s your word, not mine. I put my worldview right out there with my screen name. We both know what points we were making– mine was that without the part I posted, the wrong conclusion w/could be drawn from the part you posted, yes?

Mama,
You’re really stretching to conclude that the people who “would like Congress to go back to the drawing board” would like Congress to do so after passing this bill. I guess we’ll never know this for sure unless Kaiser asks; but this is not the most likely interpretation in my view.
The 36% for “drawing board” and the 20% for “drop it” are a significant population of dissatisfied folks.
Sure, the 46-42 part is significant as well–as are the majority of other polls that show slight pluralities of NO voters. It’s a mixed bag, but quite fair to say that an average of responsible studies shows a slight advantage to NO.
To trumpet the favorable aspects of one favorable poll is to spin the issue.
Are you suggesting that spinning for the liberal cause is something you’d never do?

Are you suggesting that spinning for the liberal cause is something you’d never do?
Posted by: 4civility | Mar 19, 2010 9:46:58 PM
What I said was: “As for spin, that’s your word, not mine. I put my worldview right out there with my screen name.”
I’m clearly a progressive. I’m not hiding my worldview. There are many false assumptions people make on various forums — like a progressive doesn’t believe in merit pay, or a progressive is necessarily a diehard Democrat and supports every Dem in Congress (lol,on that latter, its really a doozy) — but I don’t hide my “cause” — progress, science, forward-thinking, innovation, civil liberties, freedom, the liberal ideals the country was founded on, equal opportunity, justice, government transparency, a better informed citizenry, slow money and slow food, a multi party system versus a two party system where both parties are tangled up with special interests.
As for your view of the poll, it has been found in studies that those in the Right tend to be very linear, hierarchical and black and white. I read those polls because I try to understand. I find the right wing very frustrating– and I’d like to understand so I can be more patient. In my view, your take is very black and white. Cut and dried. Not open to the possible interpretations.

You’re really stretching to conclude that the people who “would like Congress to go back to the drawing board” would like Congress to do so after passing this bill
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Also, one more thing. This is a very strange interpretation of what I said. I suppose that would be a stretch, though not out of the question.
I’ll repeat, but try to be more clear:
I said that when the choice is two fold do you support the bill or not, more people support it than do not, according to Kaiser. When the choice is three fold — support the bill as is, start over, or forget the whole thing and move on– 42 percent support it as is, 36 percent would start over and 20 percent would forget it and move on. Meaning most people support health care reform– but some of those who say they support the bill when given only two choices, support starting over when given a third choice, starting over, just as some who oppose the bill support starting over when given that third choice.

“progressive mama wrote: “In any event, Congress will be passing the legislation and moving on very soon.”
This is incorrect.
Tomorrow (if passage) will merely mark the “end of the beginning”. This legislation is divisive and will tear the county apart for years to come. This legislation will be fought (unfortunately, at the expense of addressing other priorities, just as Obama has done for the past year).
Democrats own this. Expectations have been built up too high, there is no way expectations will be met. The only upside in passage of this legislation will be the massive lost of trust the public will place in Democrats for many elections to come.

One American dies every 12 minutes for lack of heath care. This bill covers children, veterans and those with hardships. This bill is imperative to Americans and as the republicans drag their feet more are dying. When a republican puts the all mighty dollar above the life of Americans, I change sides and will most certainly find time to work to help the Democrats in elections. This is a moral vote on integrity.

Posted by: tjp612 | Mar 20, 2010 12:31:37 PM
tjp – are you with the racists or against them? Nothing you have to say is of interest to real Americans until you answer that question.